What is Jow Forums's stance on the First French Revolution?

I believe basically what de Gobineau thought on it:
Reflecting his disdain for ordinary people, Gobineau claimed that French aristocrats like himself were the descendants of the Germanic Franks who conquered the Roman province of Gaul in the 5th century AD while common French people were the descendants of racially inferior Celtic and Mediterranean peoples. This was an old theory first promoted in a tract by Count Henri de Boulainvilliers who had argued that the Second Estate was of Frankish blood and the Third Estate were of Gaulish blood. As someone born after the French Revolution had destroyed the idealized Ancien Régime of his imagination, Gobineau felt a deep sense of pessimism regarding the future. Davies described Gobineau as someone who was extremely "alienated" from the society and age he was living in, and wrote that Gobineau's frequent prophecies about the coming destruction of European civilization, as there was not enough Aryan blood left to sustain Europe, reflected the fact that Gobineau, who was unable to embrace his age, instead wished for its destruction.

For Gobineau, the French Revolution having destroyed the racial basis of French greatness by overthrowing and in many cases killing the aristocracy was the beginning of a long, irresistible progress of decline and degeneration which could only end with the utter collapse of European civilization. For Gobineau, what the French Revolution had begun, the Industrial Revolution was finishing and, for him, industrialization and urbanization were a complete disaster for Europe. Gobineau was no socialist, but he had an intense hatred of capitalism, which allowed for poor men to rise up and become rich by their own talents and skills, something that was an affront to everything that Gobineau believed in.

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"Subsequently, the Illuminati launched their first experimental revolution, in France. Here they
suckered the middle class, whose true interests lay in laissez faire free enterprise, to follow the
Weishaupt slogan of 'Liberty, Equality, Fraternity.' The catch, of course, is that where equality and
fraternity rule, there is no liberty. After the career of Napoleon, whose rise and fall was purely the
result of Illuminati manipulations, they started planting the seeds of European socialism, leading to
the revolutions of eighteen forty-eight, to Marxism, finally to the seizure of Russia, one-sixth of the
earth's land mass. Of course, they had to engineer a world war to make the Russian Revolution
possible, but by nineteen seventeen they had become quite good at that. World War Two was an
even more clever job and resulted in more gains for them." - Robert Anton Wilson, The Illuminatus Trilogy

king louis did nothing wrong

Crafty way for Juden to take control of France.

It was a victory for the Jewish banking houses and their tools in the Illuminati and Freemasonry. The ideology of the French Revolution carried over into Marxism.

cool story bro but by the time of the revolution the old "nobles of the sword" (most of which can only trace their lineage back to maybe the 12th or 13th century) were a minority

pretty much this
showed that the common folk are just animals and should be treated as such

This.

No they killed the aristocracy because they weren't taxed and because they had special priviliges in court over the heavily taxed and underpriviliged lower classes
It's these threads that show Jow Forums's actual knowledge of history

Yeah exactly, they were poor and killed the rich for free shit. Nigger behavior, as to be expected from the French

I was going to respond then I saw the flag.

>implying they wouldn't have maternal descent from older clans

>implying just because the lineage itself wasn't traced beyond that time means it wasn't there

Only three English families today, the Ardens (from whom Shakespeare's mother was descended), the Berkeleys (I descend from), and the Swintons can trace their lineage on paper, in an unbroken paternal line back past the Norman conquest. That doesn't mean the rest of the Saxon race just disappeared, and weren't in high, but untitled positions in that society. Same with the Franks. Just because the title itself doesn't go back that far doesn't mean the family itself just popped up.

One of the worst things to happen to Europe

1st fuck you
2nd it was shit, they were no good sides, you had to choose between retarded christcucks, goyish khabbalists and freemasons, not to mention the protocommunists

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>It's these threads that show Jow Forums's actual knowledge of history
No. Conservetards aren't just "misinformed". I mean, they are, but that's not their problem. They have genuinely different moral and political instincts from other people.
It's these threads that show Jow Forumstards' real values. For them, egalitarianism is always bad and illegitimate.

Even worse than the black death?

They didn't kill enough, Rothschilds survived, jews survived. Next time the body count needs to be in the millions.

fuck off, kike

I wish the black death would happen now

The King made a law to regulate the trade of grain, making people starve, then he appoint a conselor in economy ( a liberal/free-tradist) to fix the situation. The situation is fine now but the liberal idea is bad for the monarchy, so he fired him and go back to the point of starvation. Then people become hungry and then people of influence (The Freemasons) see this and manage to get their thing in order to take power. THE END.
I don't know why you guys talk about taxes and all of this, you know in a feudality type of system taxes are applied only on people who actually can trade the things that they made (craftsmen ect...)
>they were poor and killed the rich for free shit.
What the actual fuck, imagine being this retarded

>Berkeleys (I descend from)

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How can you be pro-American revolution and anti-French revolution? Americans themselves saw the French revolution as an extension of the American revolution up until the XYZ affair.

>they weren't poor
>they didn't take their shit immediately
yeah nah, it was a virtuous and heroic effort, they didn't kill people for bread at all.

Fucking pleblover

Kike made

Easy: American """"revolution"""" was mostly a bunch of rich white guys upset over taxes. French revolution actually had a whiff of egalitarianism to it.

masonic plot

>they didn't kill people for bread at all.
Well of course they did, but imagine how bad things really are in the country side where literally every village/town is starving for not being able to buy fucking bread...

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>French revolution actually had a whiff of egalitarianism to it.
This is why it's completly shitty, and could have ended better if not fucking Robespierre tried to make a fucking holocaust after the revolution

Personally, I view it as a natural but more radical extension of the American revolution with a nationalist twist. Revolutionary France was really the birth of the modern idea of the nation-state. As an American nationalist and a republican I'd be lying if I said I weren't sympathetic to the French Revolution to a certain extent.

Why didn't those poor rural farmers learn how to mill flour and bake? The french are starting to sound more and more like niggers as I think about it

>Thinking the ones who funded the French & American revolutions weren't Freemason kikes..

Yikes buddy!

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Guy in white outfit looks a lot like Trump. Time traveler confirmed?

It could've ended great had the French not gone to war.
Or even better if the Babeuf's coup succeeded.

Jeeews as always.

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Bunch of leftists taking over and doing what leftist do once they get to power. Infighting, eating each other, purity spiral, massacre counter-revolutionaries and the general population, produce massive degeneracy and is an affront to beauty in general. This goes on until their system is eventually overthrown by a fascist(Napoleon)

Yes this exactly. the problems than are what we face today.
I truly believe this proves the same puppeteers are causing it.

Do you read what i write you dumb canadian dog fucker ? The problem was the regulation of the grain made by the King, making the people strave because of the incredible price of grain. Of course they know how to make this type of food. Yet the only history Canada have is Trudeau and cities with "Diversity is our strenght" as a Maxim...

The aristocracy were degenerate faggots LARPing as stronk Frankish conquerors that were content to let their people starve to death while wasting resources on dumb shit like make-up and having 50 prostitutes on retainer. Similar for the Catholic clergy.

>inb4 anticlericist kike
Most Germanics figured this out about the Catholic church hundreds of years earlier. Protestants had the idea, rope the priests, melt the idols.

I'm not really sure about that, even at start all of this, things werent great at all...

A pain in the neck.

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They want our guns, damned commies always go for the guns and right of assembly.

I responded after seeing the flag.
Am I gay now?

Fucking retard nigger jew

>This goes on until their system is eventually overthrown by a fascist(Napoleon)
Napoleon =Lots of French people dead during wars, not being able to keep what he conquer, made more and more shit in the French administration. Wow what a blessing.

Its incurable now user I am sorry.

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Kinda true yes

I guess the king was "advised" for this kind of dumb regulations...as macron right now

The pushers of the revolution were largely merchants themselves. I smell a lot of outside subversive influences stimulating that revolution (arguably the merchants of Britain, Switzerland and Italy).
But I'll agree the existing aristocracy were scummy themselves.

The shit that started it all in Europe. All current degeneracy can be traced back to this.
And a fucking genocide against the best people in France (strongest european nation at that time). You are an upstanding citizen - you die. You are a leech and a scourge - you get promoted.

What is the name of this Saint? Was talking to my husband about it yesterday but I couldn't remember his name to look it up for him.

Based historically illiterate bro. The revolution was a power play by pissed off nobles who wanted more clout and political power.
In the rest of France, people rallied behind the Church and fought for the king against revolutionaries. Including proles.

Nope, the king lack of knowledge on enocomy was due to him and only him, maybe some people tell him that it could solve things, but in the end he made the choice to make this type of laws. Macron is way more clever than this... Unfortunatly.

King: You're not allowed to eat
the French: o-ok y-your majesty

cucks

Good call, on the church.

Centralization was another big goof. Forcing all the nobles to come live at Versailles, cutting their nuts off in essence and empowering the middle class notaries to fill their roles. Absolute monarchs end up distrusting and fucking the nobility and removing them from what they were bred for, so they degenerate. Centralization is horseshit.

Some good ideas, but some bad and a failure.

The Paris proles were the drivers of the revolution. I mean - who do you think were storming the Bastille? Who chased out the king?

You get it, based romanian as always

Jews did it.

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Yeah whatever...

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>Forcing all the nobles to come live at Versailles, cutting their nuts off in essence and empowering the middle class notaries to fill their roles.
This.

This tableau depicts pagan Gay wannabe Greeks killing an ancient Trump...

You have to cleanse the great mashiach ancestor's murder in the blood of infidel freemasons Shlomo!

The greatest of all revolutions

Leave this board kike

Which one?

>if the people realized they could vote, they would vote themselves free bread and circuses
they got the circus user

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It was Masonic takeover, same with the American revolution. Lafayette was instrumental in both revolutions and was a freemason who wanted to establish societies based on human rights for better or worse.

>Jow Forums
>French Revolution
Ohboy. I can't see this going full retard at all.

>Prelude (dispute about voting rights in the Three Estates)
A completely valid concern. It made no sense that those who effectively financed the whole damned system (the bourgeois) could be overruled by a small minority whose only claims to power was the fact that their great-great-great-great-great-great-greatgranddaddy was a warlord. In fact nobles at the time mostly passively gained wealth from the land they owned and actually looked down on labor.

>Constitutional monarchy (1789-1792)
Pretty decent, moderate stage. With relatively little violence (the Bastille was stormed, the threat of mass armed violence remained just a threat and only a handful of representatives of the king were hanged) an egalitarian social order was established: the worldly privileges of the clergy were abolished, the nobility was legally abolished and a one man one vote system implemented that ignored social standing. The king remained in power because he was well liked. This could've been the end, if it weren't for the fact that Louis XVI went full retard, veto'd any attempt to defend the country against Brunswick's impending invasion and even cooperated with foreign elements like the Austrians. He was rightfully put on trial and executed along with his wife.

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>Terror (1792-1794)
For everyone who condemns the terror I have one question: what alternative was there? The country was in a state of near-total war with all of its neighbors at the same time, it had no allies to speak of and internal uprisings like Vendée, Toulon and Lyon were confirmed to have been sponsored by the Coalition. The alternatives available are radically nipping the problem in the bud (even if it means playing fast and loose with the law) or not acting and allowing the country to fracture, be overthrown, have the king restored and have everything be for nothing. The death toll also tends to be exaggerated to gorillion levels. The total death toll (including literal civil wars in the Vendée et al) is estimated at 20,000. For the sake of comparison: at Austerlitz the French lost half that in a single day and the Austrian-Russian alliance double that in a single day.

>Thermidorian Reaction (1794-1799)
Eh... OK I guess. They... managed to keep existing, that's all the credit I'll give them. Though on the flip side, they too were in a constant state of war (though unlike during the Terror stage the threat of a real invasion was deflected, which allowed the Terror to end in the first place).

>Napoleon (1799-1815)
Mixed feelings. On the one hand he did steer the republic into a more autocratic direction, but on the other hand (in part because of that) he managed to unite both royalists and republicans behind him. I think what can best be said is that Napoleon delivered what everyone had expected of Louis XVI: he was a monarch yet he derived power from popular sovereignity, allowed for representation, reformed the justice system immensely, reintroduced noble titles but only as formalities (Laplace was granted a noble title for his contributions to science for example) and appointed generals and administrators alike on a meritocratic basis.

>Eh... OK I guess
They crushed Babeuf and prevented the revolution from achieving its full potential.

It's exactly what America would've been if it wasn't for God. It was a slow setup to what would evolve into communism, and kickstart the Last Days.

Gotta love these temporarily inconvenienced noble types.

>They crushed Babeuf
Unironically based.

>and prevented the revolution from achieving its full potential
It's like Robby himself said: war allows strong states to become even stronger, but weakens weak states. The more unsavory aspects of the Revolution probably wouldn't have happened if not for a decade of constant warfare with literally everyone else who mattered at the time.

I'm not an egalitarian myself, but I'm not a conservative, more of a third positionist, infact Fascism couldn't have been born without THE Revolution just goes to show the education of this board

>what alternative was there?

How about not executing people on trumped up charges to settle personal grudges and minor political disagreements?