Earlier this year, the WHO reclassified gender dysmorphia, claiming it is not a mental illness. This seemed to be a joint effort on behalf of activists worldwide. Do we have any scientific proofs or logical arguments to debunk this?
Prove to me that TRANS is a mental illness
Asher Young
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Jonathan Nelson
Men have XY chromosomes. Women have XX chromosomes. If XY thinks they are XX and XX thinks they are XY, then you need some fucking help.
Jeremiah Bell
Bump
Liam White
Xavier Scott
It is 100% a mental disorder, kind of like homosexuality. Anything outside of normal biological function is a disorder. Doesn't mean it's good or bad, it's just a brain chemistry issue.
Andrew Rodriguez
You think you’re in the wrong body...that’s mental illness
Mason Sanchez
Is there any proof they came to this descision in a scientific way? If not, this is politics and not sicence.
Abou 95% of modern "science" is just leftwingers looking for a new god to beat the rest of us over the head with. You cant decy the will of science, goy! Now pay the priests taxes so that the rain and sun gods don't change the weather.
Dylan Thomas
Obviously it’s a mental disorder but who can provide proofs. Any searches just bring up degenerate propaganda
Christopher Hill
>A 45%+ suicide rate does not indicate a disorder
Kys faggot.
Caleb Martin
>Prove to me crazy people are crazy!
No.
You need to worry about your own mental state.
Eli Diaz
Tattoos aren't faded enough and the hair is the wrong color, but that meme is probably pretty close to correct.
Lincoln Anderson
Great! If it's not a mental illness, then we don't need to pay for it.
Daniel Morris
Wanting to cut your dick off, permanently alter your body’s chemistry, create a sorry imitation of a penis by taking skin off of another limb, dilating a pus-filled gaping wound every single day and suffering from pus discharges sounds like mental illness to me.
Wyatt Nelson
It is a mental illness. It's narcissism and sociopathy. Gender dysphoria is an overcomplication of the matter. Trannies are just dudes crazy enough to cut their dicks off to get what they think will be an easier life. They're also probably cognitively disabled to some degree since they're unable to grasp the difference between wishful thinking and reality.
Connor Williams
>tfw nobody can provide based tranny redpills
Owen Flores
Fertility is the ultimate gift, life be stows on you. Burning that down and creating a festering waste land to trick other decent people into sew their seeds is literally the work of demons.
Lucas Wright
Trans people don't literally believe they are the opposite sex, which would be observably false and therefore a delusional belief. They believe they would be happier living as the opposite sex
Robert Sanders
Transgender brains are more like their desired gender from an early age
>sciencedaily.com
The future of sex and gender in psychology: Five challenges to the gender binary
>psycnet.apa.org
Kevin Jackson
>psycnet.apa.org
>serious challenges to the gender binary have arisen from both academic research and social activism.
social activism is not a valid reason.
Adrian Thompson
So even if you support transfolk, don't you have to admit they have a mental disorder?
Josiah Morales
>WHO reclassified gender dysmorphia, claiming it is not a mental illness
Based on a 250-sampled study made in Mexico where trannies said that they felt that the issue was more related with society accepting them rather than an inner issue.
A fucking 250-sampled study
Aaron Turner
If gender is a social construct, why there are trans people? why do they try to acquire the apperance, and most importantly, the attitudes of the opposite gender it isnt supposed to exist?
Alexander Lewis
So if I think I'm Napoleon they will lock me up for being crazy but if I think I'm the opposite gender and have my genitals mutilated I'm clearly sane? psychology was always a sudo science.
Sebastian Rodriguez
Why?
Samuel Lee
>bull sees cows
>wishes it was a cow
>rubs honey on scrote
>lets bear eat testicles
>I am a cow now!
This is clearly a sane and well adjusted example of its species
Blake Morgan
No you but you may locked up for cultural appropriation, you fucking bigot I’m literally shaking right now
Levi Young
Sure, proving reality to eachother is good and all, but shouldn't we be trying to prove trans people that they're wrong?
Here's a tranny youtuber who makes pretty weak arguments: youtube.com
This youtuber, actively tries to prove that being transgender is absolutely fine. (Worryingly, they appear to be succeeding.) A good way to throughly bury the trannies ideology would be to break their weak logic in half with our facts.
Jayden Morgan
Well, if they're suffering for not being in their ideal body, that suffering indicated a mental disorder. Not being in their ideal body causes pain, and that pain is disordered thinking. The treatment is to present as the their preferred gender.
It's still a mental disorder. How is it not?
Ethan Ortiz
Thanks for wasting my time reading that, have a bleach cocktail on me you fucking Bong.
Xavier Anderson
Actually, a lot of scientifc advances were pushed forward because of social activism. Here is one that sums up several modern era instances...
Students’ Research-Informed Socio-scientific Activism: Re/Visions for a Sustainable Future
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Bentley Wright
Prove to me it isnt
Nathan Harris
Get kicked off your free meds faggot.
Gavin Garcia
>actual argument
>responds with insult
Nice one, you owned them.
Jordan Phillips
>sudo science
Go to bed Jesse.
Jack Reed
kek
Nathaniel Nguyen
too much linux...
Jaxson Williams
Lucas Johnson
It isn't like social constructs don't exist. We all adhere to social constructs. Money, for example. Money is a social construct, e.g. if everyone stopped using money, it would lose all value and have no use.
Connor Lopez
Transgender brains are more like their desired gender from an early age
>sciencedaily.com
The future of sex and gender in psychology: Five challenges to the gender binary
>psycnet.apa.org
Juan Johnson
Sorry, I’m just still all hopped up on freedom from yesterday. I guess I should have said that who fucking cares what trannies think. They are obviously all sick.
Dominic Hill
>in 40 years, not at age 40
They will have gray hair user
Justin Walker
hormone disruptor exposure early in life
Hunter Diaz
Trans is not a mental illness. They don't need medical coverage for estrogen pills and wound creation.
Wyatt Diaz
Well, that's going to be an entire group of people that will probably go to the left. You kinda have to either convince them they're wrong or accept them, or else they'll just go to the enemies side.
Levi Hall
Right. Sure. I'll grant you that. How is it not a mental disorder even if you support them though?
Julian Wood
The tattoos won't look that good. They will just look like a bunch of bruises.
Carson Wilson
Its called body dismorphia and its classified as a mental illness.
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Nathan Bennett
I read the abstract of that challenges to gender binary thing and I sure as shit ain't purchasing the .pdf. There's nothing I can really say about that without reading the rest of it, but it's clear there's still some controversy on the topic among serious academics. So we can shelf that for now.
But for 'traditional' trans folk, the ones who respond the pheromones of the opposite gender in the other study, how is it not a mental disorder to experience dysphoria?
Jace White
The origin of gender dysphoria seems to be related to faulty prenatal hormonal exposure, which creates a misalignment between a transgender person's inner sense of gender and their physical sex. In trans people these feelings manifest around the time of childhood and puberty. If it was a mental illness you'd expect that dysphoria could manifest at any point in someone's life, even in late adulthood, but that doesn't happen
Charles Hughes
But also the World Health Organisation and the UK NHS say that it isn't. How do we decide which one is right?
Juan Reed
Joseph Kelly
40%
Ian Gray
Let's compare it to anorexia. Anorexia is the belief that you are fat, when you simply aren't. Meaning you slowly starve yourself. Dysphoria is the belief that your body SHOULD be a certain way, not that it is a certain way.
Dysphoria doesn't have that in common with many other types of dysmorphia.
Eli Turner
>If it was a mental illness you'd expect that dysphoria could manifest at any point in someone's life, even in late adulthood, but that doesn't happen
That's bullshit and you know it. Autism, for instance, is a mental disorder/cognitive impairment which is manifest as soon as the child reaches the social stage of development. If there is a biological explanation for transfolk, that doesn't make the experience of dysphoria any less of a mental disorder.
Matthew Carter
Any society acknowledged more than one gender historically failed to get out of the stone age.
Ian Flores
Take a survey of the Paki doctors in the NHS. They will tell you straight up it’s a mental illness, or some evil demon lol
Easton Smith
No they aren't. All "studies" have been tainted and corrupted by trannies and liberals in academia. A man pretending to be a woman is still a man and his brain still behaves like a man's.
Robert Johnson
Wyatt Foster
It I believed I was Napoleon Bonaparte, emperor of France. You'd send me away to the funny farm. What's the difference with transvestites.
Juan White
Well, why is that? (Also, indian society has a 3rd gender, and they're doing just fine.)
James Ross
See: (Me)
How is it not a mental disorder even, like autism, it may have a biological origin?
Nathaniel Price
/thread. The fact that this is even a conversation is disgusting.
Ian Thompson
Stupid fucking mick the only redpill you need is basic biology
Carter Clark
Fuck, sorry, flagged wrong post.
Noah Ward
So, we have a physical test? Good. We can shut down the informed consent clinics, and require an MRI before giving out titty skittles. It should cut down on the transtrenders, detransitioners and the hideous false positive rate.
William Robinson
Posting another academic study doesn’t validate your point, it further reinforces that ACTIVISM ISNT SCIENCE
Dylan Robinson
Some kid in high school started HRT and it made her so ill that she had to use a wheelchair, but she still did it anyway
Carson Perry
The holy grail is the ability to treat dysphoria without lopping your cock off.
Brandon White
So the academic study, which was based on social activism, proves that activism has nothing to do with science?
Xavier Rivera
No they proclaim it isnt body dismorphia but use your head ffs. The symptoms are identical and the treatment is a hormone therapy which strongly indicates a "chemical imbalance" in the brain.
>WHO
>NHS
So? Medical associations said smoking and heroin was healthy. Are you really this daft?
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Blake Cox
No sane person can say that they know what it feels like to be the opposite sex. That is unknowable. It is also an insult to their own sex. It presumes there is only one kind man when, in fact, there is a very broad spectrum. Transgenderism is a sexual fetish where a person desires all the EXTERNAL socially constructed appearances of the opposite sex. Saying putting on a dress makes you a woman is saying putting on gorilla suit makes you a gorilla.
Colton Walker
>cutting your dick off is not a mental illness
>playing video games compulsively is tho
fuck off, (((WHO)))
Ian Turner
>Abou 95% of modern "science"
Please do not lump psychology in with science
Isaac Lopez
>"more" like
Nothing in their chromosomes change. You do know that schizophrenia has observable brain changes too?
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Depression causes physical brain changes:
webmd.com
Bipolar causes physical brain changes:
psycheducation.org
Today you learn that mental illness is literally an illness of the mind.
Lincoln Kelly
Psychology is having a really hard time with being able to repeat their experiments right now. Psychology may be a valid science one day, but until their experiments are reliable, repeatable and valid, we can pump the brakes with whatever results they wave before us.
Sebastian Morgan
That first link says homosexual males and females have similar brains so I don't think that proves anything
Benjamin Williams
So you're going to deny 2 health corporations that you disagree with, but you're going to fully support a different health corporation that does agree with your point?
Maybe health organisations did say smoking nd heroin were healthy, about 60 years ago. Interestingly, science changes.
Juan Rogers
Except they did until trannies became relevant political activists and infiltrated the establishment
Easton Baker
Ive looked into it. Been following podcasts etc reading articles. Its an obsession.
Jeremiah Smith
>Interestingly, science changes.
So now we have some scientists saying, "Cut your dick off, don't worry about it." The stakes are pretty high. It's fine if you want to mutilate yourself as an adult, and I'm not going to stop you. If you jeopardize the safety of a child on some new science that flies perpendicularly to natural intuition, I'm gonna tell you to fuck right off. This science, too, may change, and it's too early to think it's entirely confirmed and absolutely valid.
Levi Diaz
I’m trans-retarded
Adam Butler
They would be a minority. How could a small group of people even partially convince enough medically trained professionals that their line is right, if it isn't right? The only reasonable explanation is that they are right and they have enough proof to back it up.
Ian Gomez
Whether or not someone is trans, is entirely up to them and them alone. Parents should never have a say in this.
Joseph Fisher
nonsense, female and male brains are identical
fucking sexist bigot
Anyway the important point here is that turning your dick inside out is not a substitute for being born with a vagina - it doesn't matter what their brain thinks because it isn't true. There is no more reason to humor these people than any other schizophrenic who tries to self-harm or demands they be treated like something they aren't. The left thinks because their demand is less unreasonable it should be honored but that is backward thinking.
It all seems to stem from some foolish idea that the brain is sacred and the body is not. So let's destroy a perfectly healthy body because someone's brain is broken. You have no right to impose this shit on the vast majority of healthy and well-adjusted people in the world, just to appease a tiny minority of defects. Defects are not to be encouraged, celebrated, or normalized. They are pitiable at best, and the longer this clown show goes on, the more I think that the preferred solution was to just treat them like the garbage they are. Tolerance is poison.
Isaac Hill
When did I mention parents in that post?
Samuel Scott
>not reality at insurance companies write the DSM
>by making gender dysphoria normal, they do not have to pay for expensive hormone therapies/surgeries
Thomas Rodriguez
>Whether or not someone is trans, is entirely up to them and them alone.
Actually fuck off. Either transfolks have a biological thing that makes them feel like they're in the 'wrong' body and that can be objectively verified or it's up to the whim of a person day by day whether or not they want to cut their own cock off. It can't be just up to them. Either it's a scientific thing or it isn't. Honestly fuck yourself.
Connor Rodriguez
My name is Elmer J. Fudd I own a mansion and a yacht.
Jayden Reyes
>a wild discord tranny appears
seriously, have you seen the shit those authors come out with?
There might be some merit to these studies, but I'd put money on them being in the 50% of psychology papers with results that can't be independently recreated.
Lucas Howard
You truly believe in these so called ((medical experts)) to give you a good reason to trust trannies? Boi you are in for surprise
Brayden Thomas
I slightly misunderstood that, sorry.
What I'm saying is, being trans is a bit like being gay. Generally, you don't figure out that you are or not until you get older. Children should be discouraged from making irreversable changes to their body until they're old enough to think for themselves.
Jayden Davis
Of course it is, Gender dysmorphia is a classified mental illness for the person who have it is being bothered by the fact that they have a schlong or a vegeygey. As long as it disturbs a person's daily life then it is a mental illness
Dominic Hill
You don't trust doctors?
Luis Richardson
BuT thE MalE BrainS aRe BiggEr
William Martin
None at all Seamus. Cutting your dick off is completely sane, and 100% normal behavior. You should definitely do it.
Jaxson Hill
Brandon Mitchell
>not realizing that insurance....*
Jacob Sanders
If gender is related to brain anatomy then we can agree gender is not a social construct. We can also agree that since an exceedingly small amount of people are transgender and since it is directly related to anatomy and physiology, that it is a mental defect like schizophrenia, depression, etc
Andrew Garcia
It isn't like someone would just decide "Hey, I'm a woman now! I'm going to have surgery!" Anyone who would decide to do that, that fucking quickly, is a threat to themselves in the first place. Being trans is something that people realise (Again, like sexuality). And most of the time, it sticks. They stay firmly in that belief. Not only that, in order to have that surgery, they have to prove to a therapist that they are in fact trans.
Jeremiah Peterson
The same institution was also infiltrated by pharmaceutical companies to downplay the addictive nature of opioids. If you think this means anything then you’re mistaken. Also if gender dysmorphia isn’t a mental illness than why is body dysmorphia still one?