1. Pilsudski sends his man to Hitler in a secret mission already in 1930, 3 years before he becomes chancellor of Germany
2. Pilsudski offered a common regulation of access to sea for Poland so it wouldn't colide with German access to East Prussia - Pilsudski wanted Germans to create exterritorial highway - exactly the same demand nazis made towards Poland in 1939, just before attack
3. Pilsudski wanted "full economical unification" of Germany and Poland: no trade barriers, open borders and joining Polish and German economies - basically the same what happened after 1990.
4. He said that "German led Central Europe" based on German-Polish alliance should create a new political and economical order in whole Central-Southern-Eastern Europe.
5. Pilsudski claimed that the biggest danger for both: Germany and Poland is Russia
6. He also instructed his emissary to tell Hitler that "he is old, so we need to hurry up before he dies"
Finally, Pilsudski dies in 1935, and rules in Poland are taken over by agents of Anglos instead. Pilsudski's plan goes to trashbin. The rest you know.
Will check that out and create a thread confirming or denying validity of those claims but only if I fell like it
Dylan Morales
Feel*
Angel Harris
Quotes of Pilsudski's emmisary and Hitler's were revaled in the book "Hitler aus naechster Naehe - Aufzeichnungen eines Vertrauten 1929-1932". The book is based on speeches and memories of Otto Wagner who was a high official of SA and had full access and close contact with Hitler. So the historical source is credible.
Bullshit. Poland is ruled by Poles who probably dislike Jews even more than i do. The problem is that they are also traitors because they bow down to foreign sea empire. The USA is ruled by jews, so they need to pretend that they are not "antisemitic". If the Chinese ruled the world, i bet that Poland would be electing Chinese-Polish mutts as first-line politicians as well. That's just healthy diplomatic opportunism. Real mistake of PiS is not pretending to be "philosemitic" because it costs nothing. Real mistake of PiS is investing into murrican "weapon and "NATO" instead of developing Polish national nuclear program. Everything else they do is tolerable.
Benjamin Baker
And how do you plan to keep Poland's population on the same or higher level in near future with our low birth rate? Economy needs more people to grow with speed 5% / year or more. We can't clone them.
Daniel Thomas
>Bullshit. Poland is ruled by Poles who probably dislike Jews even more than i do. >If the Chinese ruled the world, i bet that Poland would be electing Chinese-Polish mutts as first-line politicians as well.
Polish politicians allowed isreal to take over auschwitz. The jews kvetched about 12 crosses in the camp, and had them removed. They removed a large crucifix monument erected to commemorate the victims of the camp. The polish gov allows isreali secret police to operate in poland.
>And how do you plan to keep Poland's population on the same or higher level in near future with our low birth rate? Economy needs more people to grow with speed 5% / year or more. We can't clone them.
Are you slow? Do you want to live in polish-indian muttland? How many foreigners is enough? 30 million poles and 30 million indians? The economy does not have to grow at any cost. That's kike thinking.
You are a retard. There is no single common thing between jews and Poles. Two completely different worlds isolated from each other with huge wall of prejudices and oceans. Jews are more interested in such countries like Canada, Germany, UK, USA, France or even Russia.
And how do you plan to solve this demographic problem affecting economy? Even birth rates of niggers in Africa are falling down in function of time.
Jonathan Carter
>Two completely different worlds isolated from each other with huge wall of prejudices and oceans. Jews are more interested in such countries like Canada, Germany, UK, USA, France or even Russia. Just watch the video. They were installed by stalin post ww2 and went crypto. If you don't know this you're probably 14 years old and never talked to anyone older than 40.
Tens of thousands of Poles were tortured and murdered a the hands of jewish communists after ww2. After the fall of communism they were not prosecuted, they still received state pensions. Some of them are still alive today. These jews murdered the entire polish pre-ww2 elite.
If poland is run by real catholic poles then why the hell were these people never persecuted?
>And how do you plan to solve this demographic problem affecting economy?
Who cares? The polish nation has faced far worse things in the past and survived. Poland has never been better materially than it is today but everyone still has to complain about it all the damn time. Yeah, letting in a bunch of rapy migrants is going to make things much better.
Also, less people is the not end of the world. On one hand everyone complains they don't make enough money, on the other hand they support immigrants which undercut wages.
Do you understand that if businesses cannot find someone to do the work for cheaper they have to pay poles more in order to keep them?
>low wages >better run away to the west >oh no, 5 million poles have left the country because wages are low >better replace them with shitskins who will continue to keep wages low
>Tens of thousands of Poles were tortured and murdered a the hands of jewish communists after ww2.
Dude, nobody gives a fuck. It happened like 100 years ago. Why are you saying about this now? Nobody in Poland cares about fucking jews, there is no such subject or topic of discussions.... I am a weirdo because i actually have an emotional attitude towards jews which is strong dislike. Most Poles don't feel anything for them because they don't even exist in their heads as an idea. Poland has different problems today than jews: for example neighbouring countries such as Russia.
>>oh no, 5 million poles have left the country because wages are low >>better replace them with shitskins who will continue to keep wages low
Yeah, retard, 500 million! I myself spent few years on doing jobs in Scandinavia and Netherlands. Whats so wrong about it? You think we could build so many new houses all over villages if we weren't transfering money from the Western Europe to Poland? Being a member of European Union gives such possibility. Polish companies bringing foreigners is caused by something else: lack of Poles. Generations of demographic falldown enter the job market now and there is not enough of them to fill all positions in the markets, so companies must bring more people from abroad. That's how it works.
Thomas Moore
>Dude, nobody gives a fuck. It happened like 100 years ago. Why are you saying about this now? Nobody in Poland cares about fucking jews, there is no such subject or topic of discussions..
Jews still care. Look into Act 447. Jews are claiming 300 billion USD from Poland for lost property in ww2 and there have been memos discovered in which PIS has promised to compensate jews for the lost property after the election this fall.
>Generations of demographic falldown enter the job market now and there is not enough of them to fill all positions in the markets, so companies must bring more people from abroad. That's how it works.
Why do you just accept it? You know it all starts with a few "temporary workers" right? Just like they did in Germany with turks. You let in a small number and 20 years later your cities are totally unrecognizable.
They can claim even 300 hectotrillions, they will get nothing though. Do you really imagine that current government with its all socialist spendings will have money yet to pay jews? loooooool. Maybe by "paying jews" they mean buying overpriced "weapon" from ameritards, then we could agree to some degree.
> Why do you just accept it? You know it all starts with a few "temporary workers" right? Just like they did in Germany with turks. You let in a small number and 20 years later your cities are totally unrecognizable.
And what do you propose instead? If Polish companies can't find workers amongst Poles because there is not enough of them around, as young generations of demographic decline enter the market, what are they supposed to do? Close the business?
Kayden Rodriguez
You are a Jew. Fuck you, hope a true polish man beats your head in.
Nicholas Green
>You are a Jew
I am not going to prove that i am not.
Tyler Allen
Maybe the government should encourage poles to have Children, maybe if the average pole makes more money he'll be able to afford kids. Selling your people out to make more money for your people is next level retardation.
Ethan Hall
>Maybe the government should encourage poles to have Children, maybe if the average pole makes more money he'll be able to afford kids.
They give 130 euro of monthly benefit for every child. So if you have 2 children, you get 260 euro of free money monthly. If you have 3, you get 390 euro and so on and so forth. 390 euro in Poland is like 900-1500 euro in Western Europe if we take purchase power into account. And guess what? It doesn't help at all. Parents just spend this money on more vacations abroad, new electronics and stuff like this, instead of making more children.
Bentley Martin
whoever trusted the English got the short stick in the end. if Americans say they're gonna do x you can be pretty sure they'll do x. if the Russians say they're gonna do y they'll do y. if the English say they'll do z, you'll get buttfucked
Carson Green
Government isn't doing enough. It could increase that amount, give tax cuts, and most importantly promote having children as a good thing. Maybe ban contraceptives or put a huge af tax on them.
Gavin Cruz
It doesn't help. The more money you give to people, the more they spend on entertainments and the less children they produce.
Nathaniel Flores
By the way, it is statistically confirmed that families in Poland that have the biggest amount of children (like 5 or 10) are usually patological families of alcoholics, who have no income at all.
Oliver Gray
it's not about the money retard, it's that nobody wants to have that kind of responsibility especially when they meet the biological urge to have one or two kids. if you're really that desperate for additional 200€ you can drive for Uber on the weekends and make that kind of money, without having to worry about whether little Lukas made it safely to school.
Jacob Sullivan
If you don't want kids, you have failed as a human and should just kill yourself.
put in a min number of children, don't just give x amount of money for any children.
Dominic Johnson
What's the difference between having society of beggars and alcoholics producing children like animals and mixed society of locals and foreigners? Human is just the same thing, no matter what part of planet he comes from. You are just terribly racist, that's why you prefer society of alcoholics of the same race to society consisted of random individuals from around the world
Kayden Morris
Pilsudski was a moron
Poles are inferior to germans according to hitler, thats why alliance is impossible, only servitude
Germans wanted polish Lebensraum, where poles would serve as slaves to german colonists lol
Germans took poland by force in 1939 and turned poles into slaves
Dude, are you really that dumb or just pretending? it won't work. The more money people have, the less children they have, because they want to spend more time on spending this money on entertainments and pleasant things. Only beggars have a lot of children in Poland and probably also elsewhere in the world. My boss who owns a middle-sized company earns like 40k euro / month which is gigantic money on Polish standards, and he has only one son. Go persuade him to make more children now instead of traveling around the world on monthly basis.
Hudson Torres
>Human is just the same thing, no matter what part of planet he comes from Wrong, we have differences, genetic differences. What you are saying is that all species of birds should die out because there's just one bird race. This is how I know you are not Polish, besides you not touching on the contraceptive ban. Go live in Africa and tell me if you still think we are all the same.
Zachary Walker
HOLY SHIT. You are fucking retarded, the money isn't there to support the kids is there to make them have more kids to get more money.
Hunter Cruz
>to make them have more kids to get more money.
It won't work because if they decide to spend this benefit-money on having more kids, they won't be able to spend this money on entertainments. That's why giving child benefits to Poles only ends up with parents spending this money on pleasant things like traveling abroad, electronics or clothes, not on planning more children
Julian Walker
>Human is just the same thing, no matter what part of planet he comes from. You are just terribly racist, that's why you prefer society of alcoholics of the same race to society consisted of random individuals from around the world
Judas collect your 30 pieces of silver from Janusz in picrel
>Wrong, we have differences, genetic differences. What you are saying is that all species of birds should die out because there's just one bird race. This is how I know you are not Polish, besides you not touching on the contraceptive ban. Go live in Africa and tell me if you still think we are all the same.
Cultural differences are determined by geography. Africa is a very impoverished region, full of conflicts, wars and shit like that, so people there are probably more violent and primitive. But if such a nigger moves to Europe, he doesn't need to do this violent stuff anymore. Everything depends on how assimilating the society is. If he is rejected, then he will become criminal.
Dominic Martinez
sad that poland has so many kosher subhumans, although the ultradumb kikes from the west are even worse
Logan Hill
>Germans took poland by force in 1939 and turned poles into slaves
That's because we decided to be their geopolitical enemy and they had no choice. If Poland decided to be ally of Third Reich, we would be treated by Germans just like Romanians, Slovakians, Hungarians or basically the rest of Central-Eastern Europe: with respect and dignity.
Bentley Walker
Let me take what I said and dumb it down even more: The money is an incentive to have kids, if a Pole wants a nice car he could use the government issued money to buy the car, the more kids he has the more money he could waste on stupid shit.
Jaxson Mitchell
No, thats because poland was considered as Lebsraum for germans
Wolf eats sheep because of hunger, wolf and sheeps cant be allies, wolf can only wear sheep's clothing for a bit lol
Nathan Gray
I don't understand why do you insist that the more money people have, the more children they want to have. Statistically it is the other way round. Millionaires and billionaires have no children at all or one child, max two children, most often.
Brandon Smith
LOL, fuck off dude. Niggers have an average iq of 80. They don't assimilate, look at every single European they're in. They are only 13% of the population in the US and account for more than 50% of violent crimes. There are genetic differences in all organisms and you need to understand that it plays out in society.
Lincoln Cruz
>No, thats because poland was considered as Lebsraum for germans
Poland was planned to be "lebensraum" for Germans after it was conquered by Germans. If Poland decided to be ally of Germany, then German lebensraum would be in Russia, while we could live in Third Reich as a satellite state.
Luis Clark
>European country
Oliver Thomas
That's not what I said. You can go ahead and re-re-read what I typed if you want a reply.
Xavier Carter
poland was planned to be lebensraum since middle ages lol
To be a Pole is to either succumb to the influence of Germany, that of Russia, be a broken man, or the narrow, much less taken path. You call upon the native achievements of the Poles themselves and seek to rebuild something even better with your own two hands. Particians, and efforts to resist Germans, Russians, Swedes, has broken the spirits of many great Poles. Given even more Poles identity issues, especially in post war era. Walk the narrow path, become a proud Pole, one who says no to both Russia and Germany, one who says yes to Poland alone. Call upon the history of the kings of the past, of the common wealth empire of the past - one of the largest in all of Europe during it's height. A Poland who fought and won against all of the European powers, a Poland who can rise again through the filfth of the ages to something new and better. I believe in you guys
Tyler Gonzalez
And somehow we are still here. Weird, isn't it? Today, it is actually Poles that would probably want Poland to become part of Germany more than Germans want this. For Germans, it is better to have a satellite state with suplementary economy where people work for german corporations for 1/3 or 1/4 of German salary. If they joined Poland to Reich, they would need to make Germans out of us and give us German salaries and it is much bigger cost.
Owen Taylor
This. World war two was natural progression of ambitions of Germans and other historic enemies of Poles.
Dylan Bennett
Take the German cock out of your mouth, boy. It's not worth it, you're better than that
Carter Harris
This. Stop this fucking bullshit. Germans and anglos have proven that they are flawed human beings. They are unable to defend themselves against the coloured hordes b/c of chronic mental illness. The white world depends essentially on slavs alone. Germany should be subjected to Polish and Czech rule, not the other way around.
Jacob Russell
We actually have politicians who used to say that Poland should become a German land, and it was German experts who used to say: "oh no, it is a very bad solution, and we don't want this at all". That's how it looks. It is not a good business for Germans to make Poland part of Germany the same way they unified their country after 1990. Too bigger cost. It is better to have white niggers in Mitteleuropa working for a fracture of German salaries and living in their "independent" shitholes. It saves money and worry.
thats because russians defeated germans and moved german lebensraum to west
othewise you would become german slaves
humans are limited, so if one wants to be patrician then some other need to be his slaves
Colton Phillips
Agreed. When you hear stories about invader Orcs being fought back against, it's normally a Pole, Serb, or other Slav. Than you look at how Slavs respond to Orcs in their homeland, and most of it seems to be hostile.
Alexander Baker
Hitler wanted only a bit more than today's German elites. Hitler wanted Mitteleuropa being part of German empire and also Russian land up to Ural mouintains. Today's German elites want only Mitteleuropea, while Russia being their partner. But the final result would be exactly the same. Poland after 1990 is what Hitler would make out of Poland if we became ally of Third Reich.
Asher Nelson
>We actually have politicians who used to say that Poland should become German Land Not surprising, see The subjugation of Poland is something that's been on the agenda for Polish enemies for hundreds of years. It's bound to have an affect in some Poles to turn to the enemies as friends
Elijah Roberts
Keep in mind that Poland was told by France and UK (Who had a defense pact with Poland, that is - a pact saying they will come to the defense in the case Poland is invaded) to not ready their forces, that if they where invaded, to just hold out for a week so France and UK Can attack Germany and come to save Poland. Poland held out longer against the Germans than France did, and guess what - It was Polish government in exile who'd helped them last that long in France, and than who helped the ungrateful Brits to fight off the Germans again - it was even a Pole who cracked the enigma code, but the Brits give that faggot turning all the credit. Anyone who isn't Polish, or familiar with their history, has no idea how fucked over Poland has gotten over their history, how many lies have been told about them. It's so common that some Poles even believe the lies and hate themselves now
Luke Hill
Some of the fierecest warriors of Napolean, who followed him even to exile where Polish - those who'd followed him after his efforts to re-create an independent Polish state. During the first Jamestown colonies in the USA, it was Poles who crafted the materials needed. Poles have been present throughout history, and they never get any credit. Just shit on
Alexander Cruz
If Pilsudski didn't die in 1935, Poland would become ally of Third Reich and our status in German policy would be exactly the same like status of Poland after 1990: we would become a German satellite state serving as a suplementary economy where people would always be poorer and lived worse than Germans, but the standard of life would be acceptable for most of Poles and they would be alive at least. Nazis would be also satisfied if they kept our birth rates on today's level, because it would guarantee that our population wouldn't grow to become a competition for them
Adrian Myers
So why didn't Hitler say yes to this proposal in 1933 when he became Chancellor & owned the Reichstag?
Angel Scott
>So why didn't Hitler say yes to this proposal in 1933 when he became Chancellor & owned the Reichstag?
He did. Pilsudski signed non-aggression pact with Germany in 1934 which was supposed to be a beginning of new level of relations between two countries. Unfortunately he died year later, so his policy was cancelled by agents of Anglos afterwards
Jordan White
Are you retarded? His uncle married a jew. He is polish.
Robert Anderson
Ahh okay.
So when I play as Poland in Hearts of Iron and join the Axis to crush the USSR, it's the actual proper historical path. Damn you MI5.
Jack Baker
There was no good solution for Poland back then. We could only choose "better evil". And i think that alliance with Third Reich was most optimal solution back then. We would save millions of Polish-catholic lives, and most probably even millions of Polish Jews would survive the war if we did this. Nazis were annihilating jewry with full brutality only on conquered territories, while allies of Third Reich had a chance to protect their jewish minorities to bigger degree, or even puppet-governments of nazis such as Vichy regime in France.
If Poland became ally of Third Reich, we would probably become a copy of "democratic" and "free" Poland after 1989: always poorer than Germany, working for Germans for 1/4 of German salaries and serving their economy/army. But the most important is that Poland as country would be saved from destruction of war, a joint nazi-soviet occupation, and millions of Poles and Jews would be alive.
We chose the worst possible option when we decided to enter confrontation course against nazis. It forced them to enter tactical "alliance" with Soviet Union which happened at our expense.
Joshua Reyes
>Damn you MI6 Reminder it was also MI6 that likely killed the Romanovs and doomed Russia to the Bolsheviks
Samuel Sanchez
Yea a lot of people know. I personally think he was assassinated to prevent "fixing" Germany as bankers had it in their interests to continue subjugating and abusing them. Fucking commies. Good info still.
Owen Gutierrez
>If Poland became ally of Third Reich, we would probably become a copy of "democratic" and "free" Poland after 1989: always poorer than Germany, working for Germans for 1/4 of German salaries and serving their economy/army. But the most important is that Poland as country would be saved from destruction of war, a joint nazi-soviet occupation, and millions of Poles and Jews would be alive.
Even if Germans sent few millions of Polish soldiers to Eastern front to kill Russians, it would be still better than killing our intellectual elite in AB Aktion and genocide of millions of civilians that they did after 1939 invasion. Poles would live normally, only soldiers would be dying somewhere far away. And even if we lost the war, and soviets would "liberated" us, they would kill, rape and rob us exactly the same way they did anyway. Our status of ally of Third Reich wouldn't make it any worse. Did soviets treat Romanians, Slovakians, Balts, Hungarians or Ukrainians worse than Poles? Of course not. All these nations were allies of nazis, but they were treated by soviets the same way Poles were.
