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I don't want to sell my apartment in Frankfurt and I don't want to sell my house either. Wtf is wrong with them?
Mason Flores
good! Enteignung can not come too soon! push that accelerator all the way down!
Anthony Bell
Since when do socialist care about what other people want. They will just take it from you.
Charles Phillips
The whole arabic world will fuck us then. They were the major force behind it. If we burn their money our eceneomy will get serious hits. Revenage is still important in their cultur. Fuck Socialists.
Benjamin Foster
What a bunch of morons. That will increase the housing shortage even more. Also they have to compensate the owner with the market price which will cost billions.
It's so easy to fix the problem. >remove the height limit for buildings >deregulate the requirements for new constructions, it's simply not lucrative to build something new here in most cases >give the owner/landlord more rights That would solve the problem
Are these people asking to get killed? I mean .. have "an accident"?
People who own land to rent to other people are wealthy. Those wealthy people have the money to let things happen, don't they? Why would they think those people would not protect their belongings by any means before having it taken away by some lunatic who has no sense of ownership?
Fuck I need more popcorn. This is mental.
Cameron Cooper
Are you Ok? You seem sick and I'm worried because there was something usefull in this answer.
Ian Wright
germany is getting scary man, Von der Leyen becoming EU-council president is 110% clown world, its like they've just given up They've given up but they still have incredible authority, it is scary
Ethan Rogers
>People who own land to rent to other people are wealthy. >Those wealthy people have the money to let things happen, don't they? thinking that those who really matter would ever be targeted for Enteignung... Brudi, you need to study revolutions closer
Blake Morris
Normally this general isn't worth it to give more complex answers
Owners do not want a deregulation, because that'd devaluate their property. This is true for the owners of the building land, for the owners of built flats, houses, etc., and for the owners of companies, building new flats, houses a.s.o. It's a speculative game; higher taxes on fallow land could solve the problem.
Landon Thomas
The state is more powerful than the rich.
Christian Diaz
one succinct point >America (before it turned into Murrica) >advertise for the income tax >we'll take from those who have 1000 000 and more >and even then only 1% then everything between then and now happened... enter destruction of middle class
Dylan Williams
>higher taxes on fallow land could solve the problem. How? Nobody will build affordable apartment buildings if the construction costs are so damn high through over regulations.
James Stewart
You have yet to show anything close to a complex thought because every time a complex thought is provoked you go against it for the sake of it or deflect with "read loki lol"
you pull sargonisms all the time you smugly chuckling retard.
Ryder Price
Also there aren't many undeveloped plots in the first place
Aiden Wilson
Hush the adults are talking
Brody Ward
you may be 30 but you are mentally at levels of a child.
Kevin Adams
I side with you. I'm not complex too, I never wanted to be it.
Christopher Morales
How many apartments and commercial space do you own?
Jackson Thomas
> gets accused of being a smugly chuckling retard > Acts like a smugly chuckling retard to prove the point
>higher taxes on fallow land could solve the problem. This won't solve the problem because the factors which discourages the Creation of new 'living space' are still there like for example heavy and unnecessary regulations that makes it very expensive to build something or the fear of getting dispossessed. So a higher tax on fallow land would probably lead to some shady kind of maneuver where you build something small to evade that tax. Also I am not sure how much of this fallow land is even available or in fact owned by the government (the old Airport)
Anthony Johnson
How did you acquire the funds to buy yours? For I for one fail to see much intellectual effort in laying down and collecting a thick wad of bills from the fool who agreed to pay that much money for access to your hole.
Lincoln Clark
>tfw i will eventually be in tay's apartment >tfw i pee pee in the corner >tfw the pee pee waterdamages 3 floors below
Logan Flores
I beg to differ. I own a property and I don't give a flying fuck if its worth four or seven figures. For I do not intend on ever selling it. After all it's where I live. So other than fapping to it, a high figure isn't worth anything (and happens not to be my kink).
Blake Turner
>oh no those filthy communists want to take away the property of real estate corporations who own thousands of empty residential buildings because they only speculate with them...
fucking retards.
Bentley Fisher
so "you" are a multibillion housing corporation i guess? becasue this is what they talk about. fucking retard.
Christopher Parker
It wouldn't impair upon the cost of construction, but upon the cost of holding land; in fact, it'd deregulate more than it'd regulate, because it would embank monopolies on land.
This is correct; these plots aren't being sold, in order to increase their market value.
David Lee
>scary It's your time, Colgate, to rejoin the Reich
>Housing market is extremely easy to monopolize, if the government does not step in, because you need a fuckton of capital to build >government does not step in >huge corporations monopolize housing market >why is housing becoming more expensive?
the free market only works in the real estate market, when property is cheap and plenty available, so regular people can buy them and build their own homes. In Germany, this isn't the case outside of East Germany.
They either need to depopulate West Germany and forcefully resettle a big chunk of the population in East Germany or elsewhere (which is impossible with the current constitution), or the government needs to build a fuckton of cheap flats. Otherwise, prices will rise even further.
Jason Hernandez
They won't hit the multibillion guys only. Infact they have to resources to prevent the most dmg by spreading it to the lower wage calsses. Our justice minister already talked about a full fledge enteignung which would include me. Don't fall for the muh-multibillion-only-tactic. They betrayed people like you who actually belived this shit multiple times.
Eli Myers
also: there are actually enough flats and houses for all, but they are all expensive and nobody can afford then. Lots of flats are empty. Our population isn't rising and the total number of flats and houses aren't shrinking, but the total number of cheap flats shrunk enormously.
Isaiah Kelly
Again, why doesn't poor people just move to the east then for example?
David Price
>First they came for the real estate trust, and I did not speak out because I wasn't a shareholder
>Then they came for the smaller landlords, and I did not speak out because I was not a landlord.
>Then they came for the house owner and I did not speak out because I didn't own a house.
>Then they came for me and there was no one left to speak for me.
>How did you acquire the funds to buy yours? Work and investment
You are clearly not an investor and lack the mentality
Christopher Brooks
>nooooooo please let me pay expensive rents, I want to be a good goy and make the (((landlord))) lots of money!!!
Levi Hernandez
They just have to introduce the big crop tax and use this money for social programms. Which they even can't because its illegal to lower to much the rent prices in germany.
Isaac Rogers
because flats aren't chocolate bars and you can't move to another city, because it's cheaper there.
Are there jobs in the East? Is there a sufficient infrastructure in the East? If you have kids: can you just move away, or are they in school/Ausbildung?
Also: do the poor people have the resources and the money to move? Moving to the other side of the country isn't free.
Colton Clark
Camwhoring in girl's clothing is also work and investment.
Liam King
Mimimimi sniff gas Jude
Isaiah Jenkins
>there's a political platform for wanting to steal people's stuff
The work I hinted at, and that gave you AIDS? Again, I fail to see much of an intellectual effort there. You could be thick as bricks and get rich enough to invest off that if you've got a popular pussy. And once you are rich enough to take the occasional gamble on investing, you will easily get richer.
This.
> B U B B L E > B > U > B > B > L > E
Also, lots of real estate in the cities falls to the state because the heirs decline it (they do that because it's "worth" enough to easily be past the 400K threshold where they'd have to pay a fuckton of inheritance tax).
Lucas Ward
>other factors Yes, there are other impairing factors, that worsen the situation, too; however, the speculative withholding of land is the main problem.
>lead to some shady kind of maneuver It's already the case, actually. Land owners, mostly farmers, do cultivate their suburban land, in order to avoid higher taxes or seizures. The tax would have to be more rigid, taxing suburban land, in general.
>owned by the government I do believe, there is a massive corruption, going on concerning this matter.
I'm talking about vast areas of land: Several dozen hectares and larger.
David Nelson
>C-C-COMPENSATE ME You can eat a boot
Brody Bennett
first >reddit spacing >because flats aren't chocolate bars and you can't move to another city, because it's cheaper there. you can >Are there jobs in the East? Is there a sufficient infrastructure in the East? If you have kids: can you just move away, or are they in school/Ausbildung? They can switch schools, eastern schools perform even better than western schools if I remember correctly >Also: do the poor people have the resources and the money to move? Moving to the other side of the country isn't free. With the lower rent they can pay for it. I tell you my theory: poor people who claim their flat is too expensive are fucking retards that want the taxpayer to pay for their degenerate arm-aber-sexy lifestyle
Cameron Phillips
Commie, kys, you.re retarded and just swallowing every shit they feed you. You're an idiot and dont understand economy. You're a disease on this planet, destroying everything, wherever you infect society.
I hope germany soon descends into war. It's time.
Josiah Foster
Democracy will always lead to socialism because the 51% will vote in favor of stealing from the other 49%
So what?
Daniel Taylor
Read the Grundgesetz
Dylan Adams
>They either need to depopulate West Germany and forcefully resettle a big chunk of the population in East Germany or elsewhere (which is impossible with the current constit Actially they just need zo kick out all the illegal immigrants, and the communists too while we're at it, and prices will go bach to pre-immigration levels
Chase Ross
You better sell now or you get nothing smartass
Cooper Turner
If poor people eould be resettlet from the citycenters out to the country, prices would drop. The soluzion zo gentrification is nullufication of welfare and resettlement of the parasites
Carson Perry
Our Politician are so loyal that they don't even work against monopolism in generall. I still ahve to buy my Ritalin from 1 sources only.
Dylan Perry
SARGONISM #1 i don't want to read loki or siege, faggot. tell me your point or fuck off to incubate aids somewhere else, faggot.
Cameron Roberts
>>Housing market is extremely easy to monopolize, if the government does not step in, because you need a fuckton of capital to build It is nowhere near a 'monopol' >>government does not step in >>huge corporations monopolize housing market Do you even know what 'monopolize' mean? >>why is housing becoming more expensive? Because more people want to live in the big cities so there's an increasing demand for flats while at the same time the government hamper the Building of new ones so that the supply cannot increase. >the free market only works in the real estate market, when property is cheap and plenty available, so regular people can buy them and build their own homes. In Germany, this isn't the case outside of East Germany. Real estate is so cheap in the east because there are so few people who want to live there in the first place. >The government needs to build a fuckton of cheap flats. That didn't work out in the DDR and will neither today. >also: there are actually enough flats and houses for all Not in the places where people want to live >Lots of flats are empty. It is normal that a small percentage of flats are empty but in the city's with rent problems they are very few inhabited. >Our population isn't rising and the total number of flats and houses aren't shrinking The problem is that many people go to the big cities (also many immigrants move there) so that there the rents go up while in many rural areas they go down because the people move away.
Jonathan Barnes
We actually settled a shitton of refugees in our city centers.
Ethan James
>you can why don't you live then in the most rutal part of Brandenburg, 100km from the nearest city away then? Because the price is not the only factor, when you chose your flat or house?
>They can switch schools, eastern schools perform even better than western schools if I remember correctly I like, how you conveniently dodged the question, if there are jobs in East Germany. Because there aren't.
>With the lower rent they can pay for it. you need capital to move, or you accumulate debt.
>I tell you my theory: poor people who claim their flat is too expensive are fucking retards that want the taxpayer to pay for their degenerate arm-aber-sexy lifestyle the average wage in Germany is lower than in the past, if you take inflation into account. The Agenda2010 reforms really fucked the country and it's baffling, that there still are people, who accuse the poor people. Schröder did, what Obongo did later in the USA: "created" a fuckton of part-time jobs with laughable wages. Wir haben Europas größten Niedriglohnsektor.
Cameron Martinez
Do books without pictures scare you?
Camden White
>Eine Enteignung ist nur zum Wohle der Allgemeinheit zulässig. Sie darf nur durch Gesetz oder auf Grund eines Gesetzes erfolgen, das Art und Ausmaß der Entschädigung regelt. Die Entschädigung ist unter gerechter Abwägung der Interessen der Allgemeinheit und der Beteiligten zu bestimmen. Wegen der Höhe der Entschädigung steht im Streitfalle der Rechtsweg vor den ordentlichen Gerichten offen. >Die Entschädigung ist unter gerechter Abwägung der Interessen der Allgemeinheit und der Beteiligten zu bestimmen >gerechter Abwägung Sorry goy our Abwägung says that you are a Raubtierkapitalist. We seize your property. Geh direkt ins Gefängnis, geh nicht über Los, zieh nicht 2000€ ein.
Jeremiah Carter
>It's so easy to fix the problem. >>remove the height limit for buildings >>deregulate the requirements for new constructions, it's simply not lucrative to build something new here in most cases >>give the owner/landlord more rights >That would solve the problem This. Just remove all restrictions and taxes and there will be more houses in an instance
Austin Gutierrez
You don't help anyone, you pretend to be smart by vaguely pointing people into directions for books people might not own to win ad-hoc arguments like a redditer. eat shit and tell him why he is wrong and how its right.
Jordan Taylor
> So what?
Maybe I need to jog your memory. You, Frollein, cited the fact that you owned a lot of real estate as proof for not being at the intellectual level of a child. I gave you the chance to demonstrate that acquiring that property required intellectual effort on your part. You failed to demonstrate having put in such intellectual effort.
Hence my conclusion: you may be a rich fool, but a fool you are nonetheless.
Charles Reyes
You're a socialist retard.
Jayden Price
the prices were already fucking high pre-2014. Even if you kick out all fugees, that won't do much. You would have to forcefully resettle the city dwellers into the rural areas and our current Grundgesetz does not allow that.
Juan Murphy
You can get a GG for free also it's available online
>Not in the places where people want to live If people want to live in the high-rent places, its their own choice.
If they cant afford it, they can easily move to the more affordable suburbs and surrounding countryside (which would in the middle terms also lower rental prices in the inner cities).
Supply and demand, easy as that
Lucas Bell
Another socialist retard
John Smith
>i don't want to read, tell me your point or fuck off Why are tripfags such huge brainlets?
Taxes have existed before muh socialism. Riddle me this.
Robert Baker
Yeah but they were lower
Jace Stewart
>i would like to explain myself, but i'd rather tell you to read it up somewhere else, i will not tell you what page, chapter or part i am referring to. >*smugly chuckles* >oh, you didn't want to jump through my hoops? looks like i won the argument.
It's time to crush the Reich once and for all. Germany has become a socialist tyranny/hellhole AGAIN and it's time the world unites and nukes it away. Literally.
Gavin Lee
>why don't you live then in the most rutal part of Brandenburg because Im rich, so I don't have to >you dodged if there are jobs in East Germany. Because there aren't. There are. I could start to work there tomorrow, government as well as private sector are unable to find employees >Agenda2010 reforms really fucked the country, muh Niedriglohnsektor Low Unemployment, low debt, Germany came nearly undamaged out of Finanzkrise due to flexible job-market.
>It is nowhere near a 'monopol' not yet. A lot of owners sell their houses to big corps, when their inherit it from their parents, because the inheritance tax fucks them and they do not have enough cash to pay it. Especially in big cities like Berlin, München or Stuttgart.
>Do you even know what 'monopolize' mean? yes. But when "Wohnungsbaugenossenschaften" own a big chunk of the housing market, the price do not inflate that much, because they usually do not try to maximize their profit. And if they do, the mayor does not get reelected. Happened in my city.
>Because more people want to live in the big cities so there's an increasing demand for flats while at the same time the government hamper the Building of new ones so that the supply cannot increase. not wrong, but that's not the only reason. Look at, how many Sozialwohnungen we lost since 1990.
>Real estate is so cheap in the east because there are so few people who want to live there in the first place. yes.
>That didn't work out in the DDR and will neither today. so it only works out, when private corporations build expensive flats? That doesn't work too.
>Not in the places where people want to live I live in a small Großstadt near Stuttgart, the second most expensive region in the entire country. You would be surprised, how many flats here are treated as investment objects.
>The problem is that many people go to the big cities (also many immigrants move there) so that there the rents go up while in many rural areas they go down because the people move away.
like I said, that's only one of the many reasons.
Julian Bailey
>reading on paragraph hurts my brain No wonder you fags never made it to university
> I can't hold my ground in a debate here but that's just because I don't bother to, really! > Anywhere else I'd fucking flatten you!
Adrian Nguyen
Ever heard of ancient Rome, the catholic church, the British Empire 1776?
Logan Martinez
Are you new here?
Christopher Walker
>I don't put any effort in this genera Yeah. Waste of energy n time. All socialists. They even falseflag was ancaps and think they can cover up their retardazion/socialism that way. They're just retarded.
Noah Bailey
>Grundgesetz >Paragraph And you want to lecture other people on the law. Yikes
Sorry, darling. but you played your chances 50 posts ago. not gonna click that link. Next time you get to be right when you either speak like a normal human being or cite your sources right after.
>>other factors >Yes, there are other impairing factors, that worsen the situation, too; however, the speculative withholding of land is the main problem. The idea is to remove the regulations so that it's more profitable to build something than to withhold the ground. You want to act against the symptoms which isn't smart because the problem stay the same. The better thing to do is to tackle the root of the problem which is the restraining of the creation of new buildings.
Hudson Bell
>because Im rich, so I don't have to >moving the goalpost I though we were discussing poor people and workers and how they should move to cheaper regions?
>There are. I could start to work there tomorrow, government as well as private sector are unable to find employees if you are well educated and qualified. I could find a job too, but the local Hannes, who works in a shitty retail store could not and that's the point.
>Low Unemployment, low debt, Germany came nearly undamaged out of Finanzkrise due to flexible job-market.
lol, if you only knew how much tax payer money the government actually spends for training programs for unemployed people, so that they declare them employed. Or that unemployed people over 58 aren't counted as unemployed. The official stats are bullshit and we subsidize the job market with a fuckton of taxpayer money, especially all those Arbeitsvermittler and Zeitarbeitsfirmen.
Robert Collins
100% with you, nothing to add. Wish you all the best. Ty for that absolutely beautiful cat pic, tho i know it wasnt for me. Cheers m8
Nicholas Jones
>especially all those Arbeitsvermittler and Zeitarbeitsfirmen. these faggots syphon so many shekels away from Germany (especially IT it goes to the UK)
