Being incel is like being fat, both are your own fault and you can easily fix it with some effort

There are a bunch of incels here, believe it or not.

family doesn't count

i bet she fucked other dudes while you were all alone

sorry about the face

Suit yourself, faggot. I'm telling the truth.

the average modern woman has more sexual partners than average modern men. so basically, all men are cucks, except for a few chads. and then the few who opt out are called "incels", as if opting out of being a cuck means you cant get laid no matter how hard you try

>the absolute state of humanity, literal cucks are shaming men for not being as pathetic as them to get addicted to roasties

How’d this get stickey?

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>can fix being an incel

This I can believe. But it involves putting in a bunch of overtime to pay for a whore or an escort. Which these days I dunno why women would even have sex with an incel for money when they all can get paid by their orbiters thru social media without even having to put out.
Trust me... when your a 5’6” manlet with a 5 inch dick your stuck that way and it’s not a choice. Sure you can go lift, focus on self improvement and diet well. You can add a slight amount of muscle, lower body fat but are just a manlet that is cut. You must land a pretty high paying job as a beta manlet. You CAN succeed. You CAN end up with a loyal wife and family even as a beta manlet if your intelligent and know how to and are willing to play a game that is rigged against you. But it is very hard in a society that doesn’t give these men proper leadership while growing up. Family’s are all broken in a world where women are empowered and able to leave the husband and father when she’s bored.

Why bother? Fucking women is crazy overrated. Sex is just not worthy. Condom sex even less.

>be Jow Forums
>do no fap
>confidence through the roof
>handsome
>funny
>still a god damn incel
REEEEEE

fuck, the quality was too good...

Truth. My muscles are sore from yesterdays workout, im doing no drink and no fap to keep test high and im about to cook some vegetables and meat for lunch because fewer carbs.

You can better yourselves anons.

Learn game.

dis better?

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what do you do when you talk about something and a girl looks at you like she wants to fuck you badly but then doesnt fucking say anything and cant carry the conversation anywhere causing it to die off and end up being rejected because shes a vapid boring CUNT

FUCK

>Fucking women is crazy overrated.

We say this yet we keep wanting to fuck women.
It’s like saying this or that favorite food of yours is overrated one day, then we put a nice freshly cooked high quality plate of that food in front of you.
I guess those who say this actually mean that the pleasure they receive getting sex vs. the consequences just aren’t worth it and it’s overrated. With all the divorce and kids being taken away, rape charges, STDs. It kind of makes a fleshlight or a doll a much more logical choice.
I’m not an incel. Lucky enough to be happily married with kids. But I’m seeing how bad the shit is hitting the fan for most men’s future with women and thinking if I wasn’t so lucky to have what I have I’d probably just go for being an incel or a 40 to 50 year old virgin.
No man should have to feel shame in being a virgin incel. If it works it’s the way to go! If men used their logically thinking brain more, as in had better role models, fathers in their lives maybe more men could just spend their younger years playing vidya, fucking fleshlights or dolls, and ignoring the modern day women then while building their career they all pick up obidient women from third world countries that are 20 to 30 years younger once all the women that are their age suddenly become roasties.

Maybe. She either fucked a bunch, or none. The reason she gave for starting to talk to me again leans toward none. She went on a date with some guy hiking then out to dinner. She said when she left the dinner she was completely overcome with guilt and anxiety and broke down crying and basically had a panic attack because she felt guilty.

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You have to lead the conversation. Men lead, women follow. If it dies move on to another topic. Women do not want interesting conversation, they want to be lead on a roller coaster of emotional excitement, one of laughter and intrigue. You need to be brash and put your hand on places like their shoulders, hips, like you own them, then pull away.

Imagine yourself in the role of a standup comedian with an audience member of one (her). You need to be playful, push/pull and challenge her.

God damn its a shame that chateau heartiste got taken down. Everything i know is from years of reading his site.

The biggest thing he said was "fake it till you make it." Pretend to be confident. Go up to random girls during the day and just start a conversation, try to tease them or get them to laugh. You can be a little dorky but it has to be from a position of masculinity and confidence.

You will fail 9 times out of ten to start with, but every time you do it you will gain a little bit of confidence for having done so.

kek thats not me

Ignore the fact that the link is to the red pill, the 16 commandments of poon are roissy/heartiste original work.

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I'm 6ft1 and I see manlets with qt gfs regularly. It's more about having confidence and a social life than anything. I hardly ever interact with girls even at work

Incels pride is celebrated among leftists?

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You're thinking of the median, not average.

Women like this “puppy love” stage 10000x more than a stable marriage. Which is why women utilize divorce courts and alimony so that they can take off without shame and move on the the next horse on the cock carousel ride and string their poor children along with them.
Once your married, working40+ Hours a week to support your family, and all you want to do when home from a hard days work is crack a beer and lounge around you become unbeleivably boring to your wife. And because these days both the dad AND the mom come home in this kind of mood they fight over who takes care of the kids and makes dinner when they are burnt out rather than just sit down and have a sandwich brought to them.

I think you need to look up the word involuntary

Thats why you have to constantly game your woman and not take her shit tests. Its rare that true or lesser alphas get divorced, only betas suffer divorce.

how the fuck am i supposed to spin plates and make conversation for a chick for an hour at dinner if every time i do something right she just stares at me blankly like a retard, like im supposed to just fuck her right then and there

there is nothing to carry on the conversation with when a chick just fucking looks at you like she wants to bang, it just kills whatever you're talking about and replaces it with awkward silence

>agreed friend
>graduated High School 5'7 years later now 6'2

Yeah, fuck that shit. I'm not gonna play games with a grown ass adult.

>you can easily fix it with some effort

$150 or 10 hours at minimum wage

>go to bar
>find drunk 4/10
>dance for 1 minute and 45 seconds
"Effort"

If you need game then you're artificial. I just act like a male.

>only betas suffer divorce
>by definition, beta is the majority
>50% of men get divorced

>"we're breeding a race of ubermensch alphas"

i love the chadlarp nationalists who conveniently ignore that whites are going extinct when they larp about how they're so smart and alpha for getting laid.

enjoy being overran by niggers and beaners, "alpha", i bet you'll solve all the problems of the lives of your progeny by the mere masculine force radiating from your grave after you pass

Exactly why most of us men can’t please women. They want us to be logically thinking strong providers yet they want us to also play these games to make them feel like the Disney princess character of their choice.
Disney princesses are never married and surrounded by screaming, crying children, and have a husband who spends most of his time either sleeping, working, or drinking rather than spending his time and energy on being the Prince Charming he was when they first met.

If you're not striving to be alpha then you are a non-male and your opinion doesn't matter.

God I dispise you so much. Do you know what your problem is? You are the type that is always with one of those city bitches that are narcissistic, and you've made this weird formula to try to get to know them. Don't ever do anything with a narcissistic woman. If she is not proactive at getting to know you on equal terms, she's that type.

And you pamper these women so they remain the same! Never charm a woman -EVER. Be yourself and be a man. If she doesn't like it, she's not a real woman.

Women don't even like muscle anymore. They go for face or height. I've seen 10/10 girls date tall fat slobs who still live with their moms.

you can easily fix being a shill faggot by killing yourself.

It means she's too busy trying to process that she wants to fuck you to talk to you, but is holding back from actually initiating sex for some reason. The reason for holding back probably has to do with her, not you. Either you should keep up contact or you should try to do something that will turn her on enough to push her over the edge, depending on the situation and her personality. I'm guessing it's still too early to just initiate contact.

Confidence in the male and lackthereof in the female go a long way

men are trying to be your kike rat race definition of """alpha""" ie wasting all their time lifting weights instead of making money, because women dont really respect men with money, because the law allows them to steal it from you

good luck sustaining a civilization now that you've destroyed the incentives for men to make good money and not just lift weights

Actually... you shouldn’t be striving to fit this or that stereotype or mold as a man. As a real man you focus on self improvement each and every day. The best men don’t worship some idol. They don’t strive to be he man or any of the roided up celebrity’s out there. They strive to improve themselves and be the best they can be with whatever cards they are dealt. Sure other men are dealt aces and got good traits like square jaw, broad shoulders, tall.
The last thing we as men need to worry about is what pill, drug, supplement, or bullshit fad broscience training routine that some famous person like mark wall berg used and just focus on improving our own game, whatever that may be. Wether it’s playing an instrument, learning how to be a mechanic, martial arts, or improving math skills.
Men these days are being ruined by consumerism they are getting as bad at swallowing up propaganda and being NPC consumers as women are anymore. Thank single motherhood for that.

>Women do not want interesting conversation
Some of them want "interesting" conversation, but for them that means a conversation that's emotionally related.
>You need to be brash and put your hand on places like their shoulders, hips, like you own them, then pull away.
Some women aren't very physical and don't like this, seeing it as a violation of their space. I don't know how rare these women are though, and they might tolerate it if you've got other features that they find attractive.

Overall, see if you can figure out the type of woman you're dealing with before you start making moves.

Hah. Well, if I roid up I could probably cuck almost every last one of these fat ass men. Hell I could be a complete asshole about it too and just slap their ass and say, “ I wanna fuck you”
But yea...
you can win a woman if your low smv. But I wouldn’t count on these fat asses keeping their women for long. A woman will keep a good looking man much longer than one whose not. This is why men generally have to date/marry women that are far less attractive than they are, because you have more power over them. In this situation where the female is far MORE attractive than he is.... she has all the power. If these men stay with these very attractive women their future is to be beta cucked husbands who watch their wives get blacked a few times a month. And then shakes the hand of the black thug after he comes in his wife.

You can go to the gym for an hour or two a day and still have time to do other stuff, guys. Self-improvement means working on a lot of things: your sociability, your connections, your bank account, your mental health, your position at work, maybe getting a degree, fixing your car...
But being "alpha", meaning being socially competent enough to play a room well, is I think the best trait to have.

I like this

6 foot with 5 inch dick

I THINK NOT

(Outside of thailand)

Well said. The whole craze about lifting weights and getting swole since the 80s is really fucking things up. Like every man is not only blowing hours of his time each day lifting weights to be like the hulk or he man from his silly childhood fantasy heroe shows, or WWE star(the male equivalent to Disney princess), but is also wasting tons of money on stupid ass supplements at GNC that they think are going to get them to “bulk up” as much as hulk hogan. The real red pill is that diet and exercise only takes you so far... and for most of us it’s not very far even with all the time and effort and wasted money from supplements and gym memberships. The real red pill on this is that women care about as much about this bullshit as we care about their makeup. It’s all consumerist jewish bullshit made to turn us into zombie slaves for big businesses.
The only real supplement that actually makes you bulk up for real is a schedule 3 controlled substance and will really fuck up your health if used for too long.

My advice:
Yes lift weights and do cardio and eat right. But don’t go too far with it. Any more than 30 to 45 minutes a day is just turning you into a time waster. Don’t spend a penny on supplements. Get a good diet, actually the diet is the most important

I can stop shoving food down my own throat but I can't convince women to find me attractive.

Sure you can. But is it worth it?
If your competing in football or hockey or some other really rough sport I imagine yes. You probably may even want to consider taking roids for this. If your a firefighter definitely(actually you do this on the job). But for most men it’s only practical to do maybe 30 minutes a day and let a clean diet do the rest of the work. Other than that a man should focus most on providing for his family or doing stuff that’s actually useful for the world rather than just picking up heavy shit and putting it back down like a meat head.
You can’t just become Conan the barbarian if your a manlet. Your never going to grow into that by picking up heavy shit and putting it back down. You have to buy the real shit if you want to bulk up for real. Not bullshit from GNC or the supplement aisle.

truth be told all i really care about is getting to a point where i can exercise violently all day every day

and im getting there

I'm not sure, user. Recently I think women get self-confidence issues if they're with a fit guy.

You can lead a horse to water...

Honestly, how do you idiots expect to save the white race if you refuse to make men of yourselves? Yes, there is always a chance you can get divorce cucked. You can let your genetic line end if you dont want to learn the bare minimum to keep women from wanting to cheat. If she wants to cheat then you are failing.

Call her on it. This is part of the challenge bit. Say something like "are you usually this quiet and uninteresting?"

That, or shes bored as fuck at dinner and wants you to bounce and do something. Maybe go for a walk or even better, forget dinner dates and do an activity. Ten pin bowling is one of my favourites as you can flirt, jive and give her a little bit of shit for missing pins, or encouragement if thats what the situation requires. It also gives you an excuse to get close and touch her to "show her how to properly bowl." Pool games are great for this as well.

Really lads, there are a million resources out there to help you with this. Stop veing faggots larping on this board about not being able to get women and actually better yourself, go out and try.

Last of all, never be afraid to make mistakes. If you blow it with one girl theres another thousand cock hungry thots after her. What women want most of all is to be approached and hit on by a confident, fit looking guy. Even if you're not that attractive, attitude can count for a lot more.

Being a manlet is no excuse either, one of the most prodigious poon slayers i ever knew was a 5'6 lebanese manlet with a hook nose and skinny genes, but he was confident and flirty as fuck.

Alot of spergs need help because we grew up in a female dominated society and had the man trained out of them. They were taught to respect wahmen and be nice to them, which is why most nice guys are autistic incels.

This is also true but im talking about what works for 90% of women. Yes there are outliers and you have to tailor your approach to these. I actually prefer this type of woman, the nerdy ones with glasses especially.

Theres literally been thousands of words written about this.

Yea. And one of them was named Eliot Rodger!
Tragic story of a narcissistic aspberger incel who couldn’t get pussy no matter how much he spent on having a nice car, clothes, and sunglasses women all kept dating big mean crude assholes instead of a pretty boy nice guy like himself. So he shot some people then himself.

He grew up in a household that was a victim of divorce. I wonder how this story plays out in an alternate reality where the divorce didn’t take place?

Elliot thought that being pretty and having money was all you needed to get laid. He was also a member of PUA hate forums.

The great irony is if he had a modicrum of game and attitude instead of being a sissy faggot relying on daddy's money he might have got some action.

being shy makes you an incel?

25 years old, successful entrepreneur, 7.5/10, trilingual musician here. I still get rejected by literally every girl I try and that's remained the case for 11 years. Because I'm too autistic, don't use social media, and am incapable of caring about the banal topics that women care about exclusively. I have no basis for conversation with them, and in the rare event that I get to the first date, it doesn't take them more than 10 minutes to realize we have nothing in common and I am never able to maintain their attraction for more than that short window of time, so the only times in my life I've ever had sex were with drunk girls in hotel bars where they wouldn't have enough time to change their mind.

Op literally never says that, this is one of the clearest cases of actual self projection ive ever read

literally me

Jidf and/or roastie detected. "Just be yourself" is no help when yourself is an overweight sperg who loves anime.

And no, not all these women are narcissistic and its not a forumula to get laid. Game principles are evolutionary mating principles. If you really are a man stop being such a seething cunt.

I like pre-workout tho

I am a 8-9 looking, naturally muscular pretty boy who had trouble getting laid all through my 20s because i was bullied in school and had a spergy personality. I could have been an absolute chad, but didnt know how to talk to women.

Women are generally uninteresting to talk to on an intellectual level, and they'll view you as a boring no fun sperg if you try to connect with them in such a way. You have to connect woth a woman emotionally.

I'm lucky enough to just pass the manlet cut off at about 6'00 and to have pretty wide shoulders, but I acknowledge that lifting is kinda just a therapeutic thing to me. I'm pretty angry most of the time about leftists so going to the gym lets me blow off stress and then going to the park to be outside and walk or read cheers me up.

>connect with them emotionally

In other words "stop being autistic", which I can't do. I've thought this through to its end and come to the conclusion that suicide will be inevitable, the only question is how long I can defer it.

Is it full on autism or is a lot of it really social anxiety and a lack of experience?

Just have a nice cup of black coffee.
One dollar a pop at McDonald’s.
Pre workout is just a disgustingly high dose of caffeine (like 3 McDonald’s coffees in one scoop) and vitamins maybe some herbs. Caffeine doesn’t do any good for performance enhancement other than perking you up a bit after waking up and having to go tend to your daily mundane labor to feed yourself and family.
Again, there’s just no way around it. There’s only one supplement that actually works and it’s schedule 3 and fucks you up big time.
Drop the scoops of powder. There for blue pilled narcissistic men like the ones from jersey shore.

I have never in my life experienced an emotional bond with another person, not even family. The only things which I have any passion for are things far above a woman's ability to understand.

>I've thought this through

Stop thinking and start doing. Im mildy (or pretty) aspergic and i learned how not to be a sperg. Dont give up on yourslef user. Start lifting, go for walks and get some sunlight. Be positive. Achieve something, even if its only small steps at first. By doing and achieving it will eventually translate to your subconscious. Start doing power poses ( there is evidence this works to increase confidence and T.)

Dont give up and dont let doubt creep in. Fear is the mind killer.

You know there are higher levels of confidence (and therefore judging), than promiscuous sex... Don't you even care about stds and abortions, alimony and real romance, etc? Such as being ethical. Why don't you try it (being good) and know higher confidence.... And, how dare you use Pepe for this post, sacrilege!

10 years user. Do you think I haven't honestly applied every bit of advice out there? It doesn't matter if I have a deep tan and super defined muscles, the results are the same as when I was a pale, unhygienic hyper sperg in high school trying to talk to foreign exchange girls about quantum physics

Why is this stickied?

Women just want money from the guy.

They expect you drive a nice car and have your own house before a roastie will date an incel.

Creatine seems to help me a bit desu

>how do you idiots expect to save the white race if you refuse to make men of yourselves?
First you say lead by example, now you're saying we're refusing to make men of ourselves. Which is it?

All I said was playing these dumb mind-games are stupid, and that why would I want to be with a woman who was childish enough to not be able to say what she wants, instead expecting me to pick up on micro-social cues

Not even that's enough. I drive for uber on the side, and I have a high end car, and because they always ask, I end up telling them that yes it's my car and yes I live in the suburbs. Women turn me down for losers all the time. The single priority that women have is are you autistic or not. A woman would gladly choose a skinny manlet with an ugly face and 40k a year salary who has clear social ability which distinguishes himself as non-autistic, if her other choice was a genetically perfect 6'2 Aryan millionaire with a private jet who happens to be autistic. Evolution is cruel. We autists are simply a gene waiting to be weeded out.

Women are dumb and a pure exploration of any topic like that is the worst thing ever for them because their brains aren't really wired for any purely systems-oriented thing. Our brains can compartmentalize and separate stuff like physics, literature, and emotions into separate spheres and understand them as distinct. Their minds don't do that, "everything's connected", that's why they believe in horoscopes.

Science is like the worst thing because it literally just makes it more difficult for you to relate to any of the garbage women have to say... but maybe pick up dancing? Listen to more mainstream music?

>Women just want money from the guy.
>
>They expect you drive a nice car and have your own house before a roastie will date an incel.
this is true for shallow, insecure women.

Obviously I understand that now. I look back on those days and want to laugh at being such a huge sperg, but I can't laugh really, because no amount of trying to blend in and hide who I really am has gotten me any action either. I used to go to bars and approach women all the time. 100 percent rejection rate. I also used to go out onto the dance floor and get parties started. 100 percent rejection rate. There are just too many tells that even if I consciously try to hide one, more will pop up, and women are incredibly good at catching even the slightest wiff of autism. It's an evolutionary defense mechanism to make sure our inferior genes end with us.

The suicide note I started drafting at one of my recent rejections a few months back has been developed into something of an autobiography divided into chapters, and it still doesn't feel quite there. I'll probably go and rack up a few more rejections to inject some fresh despair into my system to motivate me to fully articulate my choice to end it all into a complete work in full detail, leaving no guesswork to the people from my life. I'll have it finished and then just go out and take enough rejections in a day that the last little inkling of hope and inhibition is finally extinguished, then time-release the work to people i know so they see it after I'm gone, somewhere nobody will find me. It will be my Requiem, a final legacy and meaning to my life

>have sex

Do you want to get a gf, marry her and produce white children? You have to play those dumb games and get on her level.

>Do you want to get a gf

Sometimes my peepee gets hard and sticky, does that mean I want a gf?

>marry her

What’s good about being married though? Can I still play vidya and go to bed when I want?

>and produce white children?

That sounds expensive, will I need to get a new job?

I had thr same thing. Always told myself i had one more rejection in me before i finally an herod but i never did.

Maybe that book will be epic and things will turn around. I wish you luck fren.

A lot of incels are fat, though. I mean, what woman wants to fuck a disgusting fat body?

I dont know what to tell you user. You're smart enough to figure things out, maybe you can identify where you're going wrong?

Yiu cant treat women as logical beings as they dont run on logic, they run on emotion and feels. Girls just wanna have fun.

The problem is that if a woman shows initial interest at my LMS, I will immediately get extremely nervous and short of breath, and start saying autistic shit, and that all happens deep at the subconscious level and not even large amounts of drugs or alcohol can stop it. The profound fear comes from the years of rejections and then it causes the cycle to get more vicious.

I've mulled it all over for so long, tried so many things, and worked so hard to avoid the despair, but now I'm convinced that my autism has doomed me to die alone. So I'm going to finish my suicide note/book and then end it all somewhere remote.