Give me one reason why any country in Europe should buy the F-35 when they can participate in a 6th gen fighter jet...

There is no reason. The F-35 is a trillion dollar pile of junk that we're trying to bully NATO and "allied" nation's into purchasing. It's snake oil.

Because it won't work.

The f22 is only the queen of hangars. Completly useless. And a decade after, you burgers still believe Lockheed fairytales.

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Luckily it was developed before they really started doing that.

There's a reason the F35 was leaked and then nearly copied by the chinese. We deserve this for the diversity bullshit.

For you

Cope harder ;)

No.

You are USA bitches and should do what you are told to do.

Have we been reading the same reports? F-35s still outmatch shitty cold war jets tenfold. Of course pilots that have flown anything but next gen equipment aren't going to dominate for awhile. There is way, way more tech in these planes and a skilled squadron of F-35s will obliterate anything even when outnumbered.

Aside from being fake, what makes it 6th generation?

1. WHEN?
2. Can we see this engineering marvel?
3. How much will it cost?

To protect isreal

How and why? And what makes the raptor so advanced?

dont forget the outsourcing bullshit, your managerial class gutted every sector with H1B and outsourcing production to China/India/Mexico/Wherever

It used to be that jobs where you could have a single earner household were plenty with just a highschool degree

Whenever I see "no step on snek" shills i cant help but cringe. It was entirely your managerial class, not "the left" that gutted the working class and is now killing the middle with this shit

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EU leaders aren't loyal to EU tho.

>It has a similar front end design to the X wing fighter from Star Wars, so it's next gen.

Around 2040, for now its just a model.
The developpment costs should be around 15-20 billions, but you never know until it is done. The plane price cannot really be estimated, it will be expensive, but not too much, otherwise we would not be able to buy it. Everything will be kept under control regarding spendings, we have reliable aquisition processes.

Detection and radar absorbant materials.

Basically it can see and kill you way before you even know it's there and it's incredibly hard to get a lock on or hit it.

>Everything will be kept under control regarding spendings, we have reliable aquisition processes.
alllrighty then
I have some doubts about this, but OK, who knows.

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We are not the US. We do not shower our military industries with billions over untested jokes like the LCS, late lockheed birds, etc.
Simply because we can't afford to be that stupid. Stupidity is a luxury only the US can buy.

Um. There is no 6th gen. Anything designed in the future worth anything will have no pilot and be an autonomous drone wingman flying tandem to f-35s. Anything else is off the path.

Being developed.

Illegal migrants aren’t supposed to be stopped by the military.

SOON™

The F-22 is 1980s tech and cannot be updated.

>2040
Fucking miles away.

Well they’re invaders so technically they are. If they’re not going to protect the citizens of the nation there’s no reason for them to exist.

Flying prototypes in 2025, enter into airforces by 2035, 2040 full operational strength

It will cost way less than 1.5 trillion (cost of the F-35 program)

Because
USA USA

The F-35 program was kicked off in 1996 and still hasn’t reached battlefield readiness 23yrs later. 2040 for battlefield readiness makes sense.

To be honest, with the current rates of migration and nation replacement I'm not sure there will be people mentally capable to develop such sophisticated weaponry by 2040.

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>Give me one reason why any country in Europe should buy the F-35

Poland wants to suck American dick.

How come the USA isn't mass producing the X-44 MANTA over the F-35?

Probably

it was too ugly, even F-35 looks sexier compared to this

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You also can't afford bleeding edge designs or transformative new technology breakthroughs.

LMFAO, like its using computers from the 1980s, get a fucking clue Mohammed

By the time this plane is ready the US will have thousands of F-35 flying already.

It does basically everything the F-22 could + whatever the YF-23 had too...?

Even Turkey refused to by F 35 and by our s400.

Poland why do you betray Europe?

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>new fighter jet
>capable of matching with the F-22
>press is allowed within 20 meters of it
Bullshit.

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It still uses software from the 1980s, no joke.

it doesn't exist yet, even as a prototype. Most likely it was a concept demonstrator, aka oversized cardboard model

We are legit ran by american agents
The biggest opposition party is made of German agents

such is life

Europe is disarmed anyway and Russiawon't invade us (why would they) so its just the military industrial complex reaping rewards from three decades cultivating local assets

PiS is American.
Who is German?

This thread is full of fucking brainlets holy shit.

"Countries without aircraft carriers refuse to buy an aircraft that is designed for aircraft carriers (f-35) more news at 11 stay tuned"

To answer your question, OP, there is no reason your country should buy the F-35 because your country doesn't have an aircraft carrier.

And keep in mind the European 6th generation aircraft won't be operational for a another two to three decades, the United States will ofcourse develop this aircraft far sooner because they're all about defending Israel

I was being sarcastic, but you have a source for that info? Of course the concept of the plane began long ago but I doubt it's using 1980s IBM hardware.

it hurts to watch sometimes

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>Who is German?
do your job

>diversity

It was corporate greed.

The next planes will crash because of diversity.

>2040

That said, the F-22 was started in the 80's.

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buy*

fuck

EU >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> USA

We have bigger economy
We have better technology
If the war between us and the US broke out we could win

what a funny-looking abomination, it has f-35's beak and f-22's tail

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Russia isnt any more part of Europe than Turkey is.

Do you really think you have the right to decide?

F22 still outperforms everything

teach us geography, burger

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The second factor to consider is that the Raptor’s avionics were dated even before the jet was declared operational in December 2005. While the Raptor is the most advanced operational warplane in the Air Force’s inventory, its computer architecture dates back to the early 1990s. The core processors run at 25MHz–since it took so long to get the jet from the design phase to production. Moreover, the Raptor’s software is particularly obtuse and difficult to upgrade–which is partly why integrating the AIM-9X and AIM-120D missiles onto the aircraft has been so problematic. The jet’s avionics would have to be completely revamped for a production restart, not just because they’re obsolete, but also because the jet’s antique processors and other components haven’t been made in decades. That would be a very expensive proposition at a time when the Air Force’s budgets are shrinking.

nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/the-big-problem-americas-stealth-f-22-raptor-america-cant-19420

you have no balls though, that's the issue

I didn't make up the rules. I defer all European history until the current year. Russia was always the barbarous land of the tartar. And Turkey shouldn't even require an explanation.

but EU's number one enemy is you IRL
you're against everything EU does

Why should the US allow Germany, of all countries, to even have a fighter we think may be as good as our own? Getting itchy to start another war, Hans?

>muh 6th gen
>2040
>begging disillusioned euros to join and fly
the future you need is unmanned.

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>may be as good as our own

The F-22 runs on 25Mhz chips... and we all know what an utter failure the F-35 is.

“As good as” is an insult to any European 6th gen fighter program. We won’t make the same mistakes you made.

Your opinion will be irrelevant until your nation stops confusing Austria and Australia. Dumbass.

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Then look at the real geographical borders of Europe.

Not true. We are the secret best EU friend.

That is why Germany and France agree with Nord Stream 2 and BTFO the US gas.

Even more. Whole Ukranian thing was 100% pro European.
Look at the results of the situation. This is pretty obvious.

Putin ruined relationships with Ukraine with his own hands. He pushed Ukraine to the EU.

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The plan is to have an integrated air task force platform, most of which is AI based and unmanned, but with manned jets in between to command the drones.

Real sci-fi shit, man.

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"We all know what a failure the F-35 is."
So why did the Chinese copy the design then if it was such a failure? Get a grip, delusional Euro fags.

Because the EU can't be trusted, hence why the bongs are building their own 6th gen

Because the Chinese copy everything, failure or no failure. Also, they copied the dual-engine F-22 shape, not the single engine, small F-35.

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Basically, Putin destroyed any opportunity to restore the Russian Empire.

Without Ukraine, there is no Russian Empire.

This is a 100% PRO European position.

Amazing. You would think that they would have updated the processors, software, avionics, etc years ago if not by now. Government spending and red tape is retarded though.

So the BAE's Tempest then

Because it won't be a real 6th gen and it will be shot down by the russians and the chinese easily.

then why not just join EU instead and putting down all the military looking towards Europe, you Russian kike

Eurocucks trying to defend their position in the world, rid off US back for security for half a century and trying to flex.

Enjoy your muzzies

Britain doesn’t have the money to build anything. They said they will build their own GPS... now they are very quiet about this and just want access to the US GPS system for its military.

They said they would build their own attack helicopters and massive transport helicopters, then they didn’t.

They said they would develop their own bomber fleet... then they didn’t.

etc.

>Then look at the real geographical borders of Europe.
Like I said Europe to the Urals is modern bullshit. That's never been accepted before recent times. Even Ukraine is a bit of a stretch. As for Russian people and culture, that's well outside the norms of European civilization. Some overlap perhaps, but only only minor compared to many differences.

American empire does everything possible to prevent Russia from joining the EU

>integrated air task force platform
you mean you dont already?

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Completely switching out the whole avionics package (hardware, software, sensors etc.) is a multi-billion dollar effort. And would require years of testing. Nobody will pay for that unless the F-22 was back in production.

Literally all the branches of the US army is superior to their EU equivalents. The US navy is superior to the entirety of the European navy, same goes for air force and also ground forces.

The Germans fucking drill their soldiers with broom sticks the soldiers can't even hope to be even as skilled

Im pretty sure you're not European just getting the EU memeflag to get (you)s

What’s that?

lol where do you think the Name Rus came from, the Tartars?

Because of NATO.

NATO is an antirussian alliance since the beginning.
It still exists and the US rule the whole military in Europe.

That is why we can't allow Ukraine to join NATO. This is the reason for Crimea.

Countries with territorial questions can't join.

But it should be like that

No public knowledge plane in fairness now

100% British baby

Also Italian