Funny how you conservative fags only believe that "facts don't care about your feelings" shit until it comes to...

They didn't give any reasons why it should be illegal

We fight dirty now. Didn't you get the memo?

Explain why murder should be illegal without muh morality?

By cold hard logic there are too many people and we should be encouraging it especially among the welfare takers etc

I'll take the b8

1. It's murder
2. Counters the declining birth rates

Men should have as much control over the reproductive process of our species as possible, because men are smarter, more responsible, and better people who know better.

Because a life is being taken especially late stage abortion

have sex

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Give me one good reason I shouldn't rape women without mentioning morality

There is fundamentally no difference between murder and abortion.

I am no cuckservative but even i know Murder is murder. You leftist cucks are so mentally ill you not only destroy yourselves but you also murder yourselves. Its quite fucking funny actually

This

The difference is, abortion is not murder, which is and will always be illegal. Abortion is legal and will always be that way no matter how you faggets feel. Also you didn't provide any reasons. SO

>fundamentally
That's not how it works, try again.

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>morality
>"Morality isn't a legitimate argument"
Why shouldn't we exterminate niggers? The world would be an objectively superior place with all niggers dead.

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Lol new fag sage doesn't work anymore thanks for the bump.

We need temp sterilization for all children until they earn the right and the mindset to have kids then this isn’t a problem
But i agree with you
Some people should not have the kid plain and simple
The biggest factor is some kids are defective
Stop pretending all life is precious wtf guys

I don't care about abortions whatsoever, but fund it yourself and don't force doctors to provide it.

tongue my asshole

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Okay. Kill your babies. See if i care.

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Becuase abortion is not murder. Simple

that picture looks like goatse

>literally it is because it is
Try harder faggot

I guess you would call me a "conservative fag"
I'm a nazi who believes in racial segregation. Environmentalist anticapitalist socialist nationalist.

Here's the thing with abortion. Before I can make an argument I need to know where you stand. Answer some questions please.

Do you believe self harm to any extent should be legal? To the extent of suicide?
To what extent should self harm be allowed. Do you truly own your body?

What do you define as a living organism? Do you follow the scientific definition or your own.
What do you define as a species?

Is it possible for an organism to be a member of homosapiens and not human? Are the catigories mutually exclusive in any capacity? Would you define something as human that was not biologically homosapiens in any hypothetical circumstance?

To what capacity should parents be able to exert control over their offspring from a legal perspective in your ideal society? Can they tattoo, circumsize, give piercings, can they beat their children, are honour killings okay?, and to what age does the rights of a parent extend? Is it an age or is it based on the dependancy level of the child?

What responsibilities does a parent have to their child (if any?) If they do not feed the child is it neglect? Or do they have no responsibility?

>sage doesn't work
*citation needed

Why isn't it?

They evaporate what the fuck is this downsyndrome?

didn't read.
have sex

Well my tax dollars are being used to abort your mistake, so yes I think I do have a say on how you use your body.

No its not.
try harder to have sex

If it was murder then why would it have ever been made legal

Nope. Its always gonna be legal and you're always going to be forced to fund it.
try using your body to have sex

Because it's your duty to ensure the future of mankind. And now fuck off.

... so you don't actually want an answer to your question. Your just here to insult people. Quite distasteful I must say.

because statistically speaking, the human being that you aborted would have become a child

Go into archive. There are numerous threads popping up. I legit even watched the page jump when you posted. Its proven science.

I am good with the self-cleaning of the jean pool. All stats say it's mainly monkey's anyway. I don't agree abortion shouldn't be birth control. There are two many other options for birth control unless you are just a stupid cunt who likes to risk disease.

You didn't give two reasons. I skimmed

>Its always gonna be legal
We'll see about that you hellbound slut. Clown world will not last forever. Besides, if it's always going to be legal what are you so worked up about?

You can't argue for shit. You began by asking why abortion should be illegal. One user replied that he believes it is murder and therefore it should not be legal. Your response is hurr durr faggets it'll always be legal hurr durr.

I'm pro abortion btw, I want mandatory abortions for anyone who holds your views. The last thing the world needs is scum like you breeding.

If you read it and answer all the questions and answer them with consistent reasoning. You will have a correct answer about abortion and an irritable argument.

>Give me two reasons
1. population replacement
2. abortion-on-demand absolves people from personal responsibility, which is a sorely-needed lesson today

Calling people incels doesnt make anyone agree with you. You're a shit debater. Actually you're just a shit person.

>Murder is wrong because its illegal. Abortion isn't murder because its legal
Holy shit this logic
What about the places where it ISNT legal? Is it murder there then?

Have sex and then im sure you'll have a correct answer about why abortion is good and should always be legal

Where is murder illegal?

Legal yes, however administration is up to the individual states and municipalities. Even better is to force a private market solution and get the government out of it entirely. Abortions for profit, and let doctors set their own prices.

You need to say what you think about those questions before I can give you irrifutable moral reasoning on abortion. The reason is not simple and there are different ways to explain it depending on your answers to the questions. If you write the questions down think about answers that are logically consistent. Compare the postulates gained by the answers you can have an answer for abortion yourself.

If you really want me to walk through the whole process I can spend an hour working through all those questions adding up the results to show the correct answer to abortion .

WHo said i wanted people to agree with me? If im a shit person and you're engaging me what does that make you

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I've had lots of sex and I early used a condom and I love to finish inside.

Rarely*

Why would i do that? I didn't come here to answer questions from a leaf

1. It’s the baby’s body not the female’s.
2. It’s already illegal to kill
3. If a female is raped (which only accounts for 0.5% of all abortions nationwide) she can take emergency contraceptives within 72 hours. There are various measures that individuals can take to avoid conception in the first place
4. Thots

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>Give me one good reason I shouldn't rape women without mentioning morality.
/thread

now replace abortion with murder

You know right wingers have jobs and plan for families right not to mention are anti abortion to begin with? You know, the whole personal responsibility thing? I don't think you know who you are dealing with.

So you want me to walk you through them? How long do you have?

No, I don't have to jump through that hoop. Morality is a sufficient reason. There is nothing wrong with legislating morality. You don't like it because you are immoral.

>personal responsibility
just another way to say muh morality

If that thing parents don't care about it, why should we care about it then? Just abort it.

take your sex schizcels

This is a better thread

I'm liking the idea that God will strike you down.

He will, murderer.

Self harm itself should not be legal, but it should be and is a case for involuntary detention in a medical facility, at least here in Tennessee, USA. Suicide attempts should not be illegal, either. Suicide successes should be prosecuted with the fullest vigor of the gigantic blue penis of the law, throw their asses in jail.

A living organism is something that can respond to its environment in some way. Plants will turn to face the sun, bacteria can adapt to antibacterial medicine, dogs will act nervous when their master comes home if they've shit on the carpet. I would say I have a very low standard for "living organism."

I truly do believe in the NPC meme, that some people are autonomous bodies that can feel hunger and sadness and can even respond to their environment, yet still lacking that divine spark of self-awareness or critical thinking or whatever the new vocabulary word happens to be.

Parent control of child:
Tattoo: no
Circumcise: This one is a grey area for me, I plead a fifth of bourbon.
Piercings: no
Beat: no
Discipline with physical consequences: yes
Yes, there is a difference between beatings and using pain to help transmit a parental message.
honor killings: like for what, someone abusing your children? again, I plead a fifth of rum, maybe just hope you get a jury full of parents in this instance.
To what age: As of right now, juveniles are subject to the whims of their guardian until the age of majority, and the age of majority in America is 18, but I wouldn't be too sad to see it raised to 21.

Responsibility: Like SpiderUncle said, with great power comes great responsibility. To be in charge of something means one must care for it. The high level of authority one can have over a child requires a high level of care for the well being of the child.

I'm not asking you to answer the questions. I'm telling you that you need to answer those more fundamental questions in a logically consistent way and establish moral grounds before you can think about abortion.

I'M TELLING YOU THAT THOSE QUESTIONS ARE THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION.

So, I do have time luckily, I can walk you through them one by one if you have time and actually want to know the answer but as I have seen you insult people I'm wondering if that's all you came here to do and you would not even read an answer when I finish one.

Abort all non-white babies

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Best way to stop abortion without having to make it illegal can be to shift funding away from abortion programs and transferring funds to other allocations. Defund abortion through some other program priority. Let the free market take control of abortion and tax the shit out of it, let doctors charge what they will and decline insurance if they want.

I like the cut of your jib buddy

>explain to me why abortion should be illegal without saying the reason why it should be illegal.

You colossal faggot. This even though I support abortion as a perfect tool for eugenics

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>Give me two reasons that abortion should be illegal without hurr durr muh morality
1: Keep your legs closed or use contraception and you won't need an abortion. Neglecting a child, special needs person, or elderly person is grounds for a murder charge. Neglecting to use a vast array of methods to prevent pregnancy shouldn't excuse you from the consequences.
2: OP is a faggot

The issue with abortion is you poor motherfuckers make babies then want tax payer to pay for it...

Yea, we are going to make this abortion shit hard get or outright ban it simply on the grounds that libtards support it.

>give me a reason abortion should be illegal
>without a recourse to morality

>should
>without morality

Sage

Neither of those are reasons why it should be illegal
>keep your legs closed
have sex

based!!!

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If they want abortion then fine, they can pay for it then. Leave everybody else out of it. its like that argument about why its hard to accept gays, they are total degenerates. Its hard to accept pro choice when these retards keep demanding you pay for it. It's time to defund it.

Murder is a personal decision, not a legal debate.

Defund

Why should your tax dollars have to go to every other fucky thing in society except for abortion? or right because mUh FeElIngs
have sex

so you're openly allowing niglets to live!? FUCK THAT!

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Women shouldn't have rights. It's destructive when they do.

you believe that? you don't think there's anything to personal responsibility being an objective good? I mean, if so, good for you; enjoy your worldview. But seriously?

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Because its mine
Defund

Cut off welfare and food stamps and watch them die off

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I hate abortion but im for using it as population control for colored folk

Infanticide is not a "woman's health issue". You dumbfucks lied to me. I fucking HATE THAT. So now you can fuck off.

As a matter of fact the midwest and south have so few abortion clinics due to the fact the individual states won't give them the money. I really think we might be on to something here. Just stop funding this shit entirely and get rid of the welfare too. Basically stops this destructive behavior on 2 fronts.

Abortion is homicide