Are MGTOWs and incels right? Why would any man want to settle down and breed with the average woman nowadays...

I can’t imagine anything easier than being a girl. They have literally EVERYTHING in life handed to them and still find reasons to complain

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this is the proper ordering.

Don’t go for the average woman. You’re making this a much bigger problem than it really is. If you aren’t ugly and aren’t socially retarded, you’ll find a good woman.

the problem with mgtow is that most mgtowers are averager guys, who use it an excuse to justify their failure, in reality mgtow should be about striving to be the best male you can be and fucking many thots as you can and not caring about them just use them as the cum buckets they are, thats what mgtow should be about, not like MUHHHH I DONT CARE ABOUT WOMEN, muhhHhh WOMEN THIS THAT MUHHH CELIBACY

>inb4 muhh manwhoring, muhhh male thot = good

For not caring about women, MGTOWs sure spend a lot of time talking about them. In fact, I don't think I've ever seen an MGTOW discussion that doesn't involve women in some way.

It’s the old “ignorance is bliss” dilemma

I accidentally did that one time. It was weird when I realized that's why the rag smelled like it did.

>pays for whores
you're already paying one way or another

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Because that's all we got and if you dont want to be taken over by shits then you do it and shut up and raise your daughter's properly

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yeah mgtow is people that never got any pussy or guys that got fat and lazy and burned by their ex and have no ability to get another woman

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>porn pic

Fuck your slide thread you commie faggot. Anons come to a better thread, get in here:

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There are plenty of great women out there. Just as the vocal minority on twitter doesn't represent the majority of the population, the insta-thots and cam whores don't represent the majority of females. I'd say at least 15-20% of the female population would be happy to settle early and have a family.

wrong

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This

Dont post porn on Jow Forums you degenerate fucking scumlord

This.
Just set up women against men, then men against women.
No more babies
???
profit

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I'm 25 and a virgin and I just cancelled a date I had tonight with a fat single mother. Ltierally don't care. I was too busy playing vidya to actually remember to text her saying "never mind." Protip: ALWAYS look for a girl's Facebook you met online, if she has no full body pics on her dating profile. The fb account tends to have at least a couple honest pictures sneaked in there. Now all my friends are calling me a disgusting incel for turning down the date (which I would be expected to pay for lol). I also literally went to a fat girls house and didn't realize she was fat so I sat in bed with her and watched half a movie before she shut it off, said she was bored, and then we chatted for a bit then I said I had to go and left. She had pretty much offered to suck my dick when we were messaging.

I really hope there are some cool wizard spells out there.

Even if that is true (it’s not) they still only want Chad.

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wrong board, nigger

I did all of my screwing early in life and then I realized that women just aren't worth the effort.

The impetus behind Mgtow is the impossibility to be just be an average guy and be successful in today’s world, meanwhile 5/10 women get everything in life handed them

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With modern women there is almost a guarantee you'll be cucked and blackmailed financially to do whatever she commands.

It is by far the worst time in the history of this fallen nation to get married.

>Even if she settles for you, you will never be her love, only her provider
I know this isn't true because she earns a lot more than I do.

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Respectfully disagree. It's
>1,3,2,4

Sage this thread

Even if you marry a half-decent woman that only wants to spend the rest of her life with you because she's done riding random cocks, the children of your children will already be so far away from you genetically that it didn't even matter you had them to begin with. Not to mention that if you have a girl, she has a very, VERY high chance of being a race-mixer due to extreme liberal/jew propaganda, especially if she's white. It's not worth a fuck. Any modern woman of any race isn't worth a goddamn fuck, and I say that completely objectively as someone that has been through 3 ling term relationships. They all have the exact same fucked up psyche and issues, they all refuse to admit they are wrong, they all act like lazy teens well into their late 20s and early 30s. It's just not worth it to put so much time, effort, money and psychological strain on yourself when you can just live by with random hookups with zero commitment. Honestly, I'd even avoid those hookups. Being a slutty man is not a good thing either, nor does it make you more of a man to have fucked slags and whores.

Being happy by being alone with yourself, to me, is the first step in having a much better life. Relying only on yourself, not the validation of some woman or society in general. Being your own safety net and provider and doing it all for yourself comes first.

>and fucking many thots as you can and not caring about them just use them as the cum buckets they are
See. Manwhores. You enable the whore behavior.

Have sex

Would chad ever settle down with one of his whores knowing that she has taken miles of cock, would he even be considered a chad at that point or just a cuck.

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>Are MGTOWs and incels right?
partially, yes

>Why would any man want to settle down and breed with the average woman nowadays
because not all women are degenerate liberal whores. i know trp hates the concept of nawalt but the truth behind the idea is actually just that all women have these instincts, which is correct, but it doesnt mean all women are going to act on these instincts. all men want to fuck every 18yr old gorgeous fertile female. doesnt mean they will or can.

there are decent women out there, this is for sure, they are just a minority however and a lot of men are fucking undesirable rejects as well. look at the faggots that obsess over starwars and worship video game/comic book culture. what woman is going to want that? but im getting sidetracked here since we are talking about the desirability of women...

anyway, i think a bigger problem than the the idea that women are whoring themselves out there is that a very large % of women have undoubtedly become animus possessed, which basically means they are now beginning to act like men and have stopped acting like women. they value career over all else and no longer produce babies. short of being a fucking faggot, whos going to want that in a partner?

Still, that means she owns your ass financially. They win either way.

God, I love it how incels and angry white men can only bitch about this shit online.

You know you will never, ever in your wildest dreams outvote us...right?

2016 was a freak occurrence, a tantrum by a dying breed of pissy white dudes who will never make it happen again.

You just don't have the numbers and 10% of you are gay.

Storm's a coming, assholes. And it is very brown, very feminist, and very fucking Stalinist for shitty regressive throwbacks.

When Dems get power back, you cucks will be dragged off to PRISON for posting hate speech online.

Women are so DONE asking for their rights. You fought them tooth and nail and now they are going to take those rights with soul crushing force.

Fuck your shitty slutshaming.
Fuck your imbecile creamsicle President.
Fuck you for never getting laid.

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>Now all my friends are calling me a disgusting incel for turning down the date

You need better friends.

I don't want Jews in my country but I talk about them regularly

No, I earn a modest amount but enough to comfortably afford whatever I want, because I don't want for a great deal.

MGTOW is FA cope by running away.

Inceldom is FA cope by giving up.

If you aren't chad, you shouldn't even be on Jow Forums.

Yes, MGTOW is in large part correct. I completely understand any man who decides to join the MGTOW crew. Not only are women useless, they’re unbearable and useless. Though I still pursue girls and basically have a GF at this point, I know that modern wahman is not fit for marriage and children.

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You have no leverage though. I've heard nothing good about relationships when the woman earns more.

still coping I see

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Lol i almost thought you were serious there
Good pasta but the pic gave it away
An actual roastie wouldn't post a pic to drive attention off herself especially if it's towards another female
Still, good pasta

that far left booty ain't bad

>2016 was a freak occurrence.

Not really there was an upsurge in popularity for more conservative and right wing groups worldwide, hence the doubling down and silencing of these positions that continues to this day.

based.

>Fuck your shitty slutshaming.
>Fuck your imbecile creamsicle President.
>Fuck you for never getting laid.

Found the roast beef

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But I don't need leverage. I love my partner and she loves me, but if we do separate then I can still get by without becoming financially desperate.

>25
>virgin
She was in your league.

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Incels & mgtows have a point

>and fucking many thots as you can and not caring about them just use them as the cum buckets they are
A man should aspire to to have a loving relationship with a good woman and have kids with her, not engage in degenerate promiscuity. Kike

No, you need a label so that you can make little shitty communities online and suck each other's dicks.

Fuck off faggot.

watch this if you want to understand what is wrong with modern women:

youtube.com/watch?v=zTCJsE4lEXw

>muh whores
possibly, but we cant easily address their behaviour in private.

what we can easily be criticising women of is their public behaviour.

I like magic missile. Shroud of tears is also p good.

Why? And if that's my league, why should I even bother having sex at all? Might as well pay for hookers, or just stay celibate / kms. Fucking ugly women just leads to the creation of more ugly people. Everyone on earth below 5/10 should be castrated. At the very least all the men.

Women are the enemy. Women attack white men within every aspect of life. Never give aid or comfort to the enemy of white men.

good for you user
don't cater to thots, especially fat thots

my classmates and i will be sotrming the 51 with the rest of everybody. they cant get us all! show us what u r hiding NOW!

Why do women have a natural instinct to focus so much on their appearance, make-up, clothing, etc.?
Because evolution. If you have a shit product, you need lots of marketing to sell it. Women are the Apple of the human consumer devices.

Getting a woman in your life is like getting that $999 apple stand. It costs a lot, it's pretty, and fucking useless.

Women are traps for the gullible.

You know what’s more satisfying than roasties getting fucked over by their choices? The ones hitting 35 and desperately looking to have a family. No amount of cats, career choices, “amazing women” and wine you drink will ever quench your thirst for a family.

The change you roasties go is amazing, you’re whiling to become play dough in a manos hands to fulfill that. Your liberal views? Women’s rights? All out the window as soon as you see a man you could settle with.

Meanwhile all the men you laugh at now are enjoying the best years of their lives. Financially secured and stable assets. No man is looking for a +30 women to have a serious relationship. No man will ever take any women over 25 seriously. This and your inability to cope with your realization of this is the sweetest victory men can ever witness.

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>thinking the cumbrain would have the mental capacity to stop

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Mgtow is right but it is only a door to stoicism which itself is only a door to the realization that men must be men of dignity. If men do not have dignity then there is no reason for women to. Whether women "started it" or not has no bearing either way. Women are just the curtains on the window that is life as a man. Men must always be dignified. And others will folllw those who are highly dignified - they feel compelled to do so.

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>flag
take it from an expert

>all men want to fuck every 18yr old gorgeous fertile female. doesnt mean they will or can.
You've just hit a gold vein that you didn't even know existed. What you say here is profound. If every man had the opportunity to fuck a fertile 18 year old woman (and without much consequence at that), the OVERWHELMING MAJORITY would choose to do so. The OVERWHELMING MAJORITY of women today have access to Chad cock, and what do they do? They use that access. They fulfill their desires. Behold, the current state of the West.

Except this whole argument falls apart when you realize that women are starting to outearn men and that men will be lonely without families all the same.

>Why?
Because late in life virginity for a male signals low value. Just letting you know. Whether you breed or not is up to you.

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I wouldn't say it's their craving for a family, but rather the biological clock sounding alarm bells that the "window of reproduction" is about to close and they're about to miss out on the fundamental biological function they were born to carry out.

It's an irrational panic, very powerful one too. Hits them out of the blue, as very few of them are born smart enough to foresee it.

>Why would any man want to settle down
Psychological stability. Having a long term mate lowers depression.
>breed with the average woman
Gets your genes into the pool. Besides kids are a blast once they get past the cry and poop phase.
>Consider that the average woman has taken many cocks
Stop perpetuating lies faggot.

>For example, the 1995 NSFG indicates that women between the ages 30–44 had an average of 3 sexual partners in their life time. According to analysis of the 2002 cycle, this average rose to 4 sexual partners
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3874393/

> you will never be her love, only her provider
Obviously you can never be loved. I personally am, so there's that. Also, my wife is working on passive income and in a couple of years should be earning more then me by doing nothing. So, there's also that.

>There is always a chance that you will get cucked.
Maybe don't be a faggot.

>50%+ divorce rate isn't a joke.
Hmm, considering that at 25; 56% have gotten into a marriage, but haven't built wealth or paid off college loans. No wonder why divorces pop up. Yes, you are a provider, and if you fail at that then don't jump into a long term FINANCIAL PARTNERSHIP.

>Even "religious" girls are skanks nowadays.
Almost like "religious" girls are girls numb nuts.

>Meanwhile all the men you laugh at now are enjoying the best years of their lives. Financially secured and stable assets. No man is looking for a +30 women to have a serious relationship. No man will ever take any women over 25 seriously. This and your inability to cope with your realization of this is the sweetest victory men can ever witness.

This is actually a cope. "The wall" doesn't exist. Even women in their 40s and 50s have young males lining up for pussy juice. That's how bad it's gotten. Sure, they won't have access to Chad's cock once they pass 35, but they'll still have tons of suitors lining up. Anything else is a massive cope. The matriarchy is here, and we're doomed.

You can not care about something without hating it you retard.

>not caring
>hate.

Woman detected, for a woman, ignoring is equal to full attention.

3>1>2>4

Quite a lot of MGTOWs are fathers and former husbands, and many do just fine attracting women. So you can drop the "MGTOWs are losers" shaming tactics, it doesn't work.

LMAO nice cope. Mainstream studies? Really, nibba? The average roastie has taken much more than 3 cocks LOL. Keep coping, betabuxxer. Enjoy your divorce.

>Except this whole argument falls apart when you realize that women are starting to outearn men
so fucking what you degenerate slag
men have outearned men since the beginning of man. your insistence on equality but requirement for superiority when it comes to men is contradictory and you will live short lonely degenerate lives as a result.

deluded cunt

Celibacy is self correcting. They will be gone and those that could'nt/didn't resist thier sex drives would replace them.
Natural selection in action..

This. If you're friends are trash it's going to be a lonely life.

>Because late in life virginity for a male signals low value.
Sure. Whereas being fat for women signals my inability to even get an erection in their presence. If I was good-looking she wouldn't give a fuck whether i was a virgin, most likely. Of course if I was, then I probably wouldn't be a virgin either. You're confusing cause and effect.

>you realize that women are starting to outearn men
Men still out earn women, yet men are less educated than before. For women to out earn men, they have to not have kids, do the same dangerous jobs and put down overtime like men do. You say women are “starting to” I say they will never out earn men because women prioritize personal reactions over anything else.

>and that men will be lonely without families all the same.
A lot of men experience level of loneliness and either cope or suicide. Women aren’t used to this like men, it’s something new to them. Add the pressures of social media and you have women becoming unhappy in life moreso than men.

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THIS PICTURE, IT WILL SERVE ME WELL DURING THE DARKEST HOURS OF THIS LONG NIGHT

What if you don't feel attracted to any women because you feel disgusted by their lack of intellectual depth?
Having a boner is the first and most superficial reaction. Acting upon it is equal to being impulsive. Assessing the woman's worth as someone worthy of interaction is the second reaction. And if the aversion you end up feeling from the second reaction is strong enough, it can easily kill the first one.

What do then?

To be fair this is what MGTOW is at its core.
It's just that by its very nature it attracts guys who use the label as one big cope.

>Except this whole argument falls apart when you realize that women are starting to outearn men and that men will be lonely without families all the same.
Women only are outearning men due to blatant discrimination against men (sexism is okay so long as it benefits women). And men can handle being alone far better than women can, which makes sense since throughout human history most men never successfully passed on their genes and men can survive without women.

Nice copypasta

>Fuck you for never getting laid.
Nigga wut, here's your (you)

>you will never be her love
>be me, 26yo with a useless masters and barely any money
>girlfriend is an engineer, actively providing for me
>I barely work in a teaching job
>tender love-making nearly every day, after 6 years together.

get on my level

>This is actually a cope
Hardly, men are discovering that life in their 30s is a lot easier than their early 20s. They have disposable income and look relatively young. Women are biologically predisposed to be attracted to older men, this is where these men will shine.

> "The wall" doesn't exist.
Aging looks, your tits pointing to your belly button is a sign of aging, aging is the wall. Women’s only asset is fertility and looks. Men do not care for women with PhDs or women with money, men care if she’s young and hot.

> Even women in their 40s and 50s have young males lining up for pussy juice.

Women seek reassures and stability. A desperate young man has no money and is unpredictable. A cougar can take miles of young cock but she’ll never have a man which she can present to her social media and have other women fawn over him. Not only that but able to foot any bill. In the end cougars are semen dumps for young men looking to release.

you are enabling degenerates

>. "The wall" doesn't exist.
Nonsense. Every women reaches a point where her fertility and beauty drops off the cliff. This is unavoidable.

>Even women in their 40s and 50s have young males lining up for pussy juice.
These young men are of equally low SMV, and just want easy pussy. These women aren't attracting the young Chads they actually want, who are actually fucking young and hot women and not their old asses.