Hey /pol I am planning on writing a political fiction book, with which I plan to subtly convince people of my political views.
>How? The protagonist is going to be a young student in mid 21st century Austria, who gets radicalized due to the world's circumstances.
>Circumstances? Quantitative easing will have destroyed peoples savings, another few recessions hit, massive immigration leads to unemployment, crime, etc. Government unable to fix the economy.
>Plot Summary Book 1: Liberal student protagonist starts off by being robbed by Muslims, gets into fight sports to learn to defend himself. His group is right wing, especially the instructors. Instructors basically subtly influencing all the trainees with their views. Basically, book 1 ends by the 2 instructors trying for a terrorist attack a la Christchurch. Justify this to protagonist with the absolute need for action Protagonist accepts driving the car. Instructors get shot during their terrorist attack, protagonist isn't found out.
>So? Basically I am trying for an interesting story in which the reader identifies with the lead. I have to make it ambiguously. I have to be able to say it's about showing the dangers of propaganda, Nazis whatever, while in truth, I want my characters to eloquently espouse my ideas. The instructors who are radicalizing the protagonist have to make sense. The world needs to be depicted as what will happen if we don't correct our course.
>Why this post? I just wanna hear what you think, as well as maybe get some ideas and talk about it. If you are interested I can also give a brief summary about the sequels.
How exactly? I of course plan to do it more subtly than just saying he gets radicalized.
Luis Gutierrez
Honestly i would make it more fictional. Putting it in "our" world makes it realy obvious. Create some kind of alternative universe that closely reeassembles our world and create a similar situation. If youre going to call muslim a muslim and jew a jew this book will just propably never get published
Jordan Smith
Make it the story of a new Nazi rise and claim it's a "warning against how appealing fascism is for the downtrodden" but make it so damn good in the new fascist utopia that there's not any reason to want it not to happen.
Brody Adams
>Plot seems quite boring and simple desu Obviously, a small summary of like 3 sentences cant be interesting Book will start of with protagonist sitting in the car, driving 2 armed men and you don't know what is happening. Chapter one is protagonist getting trashed by Muslims. Afterwards, plot slows down obviously. For this I plan little episodes inbetween the actual plot of the instructors, who are already secretly murdering foreigners. Book ends with the attack on the Mosque
Aiden Perry
There weeks earlier? Seriously?
Nathaniel White
Three*
Kayden Hernandez
This Pollack is right. You need to be more subtle
Mason Ross
Thought about this.
You are basically describing the sequels. Book 2 will be the start of a small organization the protagonist gathers around himself and their struggles to grow, while the protagonist tries to push his views on them. In the sequels, this new organization will clash with Antifa and the like during riots and street fights in the deteriorating civil climate. Basically Weimar 2.0. Not sure if I want to end it with the ascension to power in Austria or actually want to go further.
Lincoln Thomas
>Three weeks Where did I mention 3 weeks? Book 1 would span months, if not years
Ryder Sullivan
I mean the whole "three weeks earlier" thing You know you start the book in an intresting moment and go back to what happened lets say a month ago. You know what im talking about
Kevin Reed
You think so? I thought by packing it all up as a book warning about the dangers of Propaganda, Fascism and the like might be enough.
Parker Walker
Sick, do it OP.
Grayson Wood
Ahhhh, the plot device, now I get it. You think it overused?
Aiden Rodriguez
You play video games? There wasagame called killzone. It was essencialy "good guys" (capitalist west) vs "bad guys" (fascist east, more or less). In game you were one of the good guys, every character was constantly talking about how much they love killing the bad guys and how much they hate them. The game was a simple as fuck shooter, the plot was also very very simple. But as you played the game you learned more about the enemies, their ideology and struggle. Littelary everyone who played the game felt sympathy for the bad guys becouse they were justified. They were invaded, humiliated and genocided. Developeres created the game that was suppoused to be a simple "kill the space nazis shooter" and they did it so bad, that it littelary redpilled hundrets of people on fascism, becouse the bad guys were clearly the victims while the good guys were extremly unsymphathetic and plain af
Brayden Martinez
Yeah, essepecialy in cheap love and criminal novels I would avoid it
Christian Lopez
Some of the best books were written in times of high censorship. They were forced to express ideas in an extremely subtle manner and this lends itself to creative and brilliant writing.
Don’t be ham fisted with monologing characters.
Write as is your book has to be approved by some obese bitch with blue hair and a gender studies degree.
Owen Howard
>You play video games? Only strategy now and then
>There wasagame called killzone. It was essencialy "good guys" (capitalist west) vs "bad guys" (fascist east, more or less). Actually never heard of it
>Yeah, essepecialy in cheap love and criminal novels I read a shit-ton of books and have never encountered it, but then I don't read that trash. Certainly something to think about. Thing is I want something interesting, fast paced to hook the readers. The robbery and assault on the protagonist in chapter 1 will have to suffice if I get rid of this.
>I would avoid it Something to think about. If I get rid of that, I might also scrap the active participation in the terrorist attack. That might make it easier to publish as well as align better with the sequels (protagonist seeking a political solution, while not being shy of physical violence in the streets).
Food for thought.
Dylan Jones
I had quite intresting idea for a book/movie based on this. Young Soldier fed up with propaganda invades the foreign State with his comrades. The go deeper and deeper into enemy territory and ponger they fight, they start to see the truth, the suffering and how they were manipulated into essencialy murdering innocent people. It would rather short, at the end they would be shot by fresh recruits that joined their division and the cycle would reapet. Imo quite intresting concept, mayby not much of a fascist propaganda but it would be quite a mind opening experience for some, "dont believe in what people tell you is true, find out by yourself" and rather typical "war is hell" And at the end scene, the lonely survivor of the war who fought on the "good" side seeing his country turn into what he thinks he fought (still loyal to the old system) and getting killed by bunch of "newcomers" while he realises it was all a manipulation, he bleed and killed for nothing
Daniel White
Thats a good idea, hope youre going to make a fine book I hike a lot and when i sleep in the refuge, there are always some shitty books and i often read them if im alone, i can easly read 600 pages in one day so reading some short novel is not a problem
Gabriel Ramirez
Very Orwellian book could actually see this in a bookstore.
>It would rather short Standalone books below 400 pages are way easier to publish and sell according to what I read.
Jose Nguyen
>Thats a good idea, hope youre going to make a fine book Man I hope so too, currently I am still in the note taking phase. Never gotten above that phase before except some shitty first chapters of other novels.
>I hike a lot and when i sleep in the refuge, there are always some shitty books and i often read them if im alone If you are into fantasy and science fiction I can give you lots of recommendations.
>i can easly read 600 pages in one day so reading some short novel is not a problem Same, 130 pages/hour, I only really got into the great classics because when I was like 18 or 19 I had read every single fantasy and science fiction book that interested me and they weren't being written as fast as I read them
Brandon Rogers
Yeah im not very orginal but i must admit that i realy love Orwellian or Lovecraftian themed books/films/Games, everything realy
Asher Jenkins
Currently reading Dark Tower by King, started a week ago while in Romania, currently reading part 5 Yeah im very into Fantasy/Sci Fi i would say that my fav Sci Fi so far is Dune and Hyperion part 1, fantasy is great but i mostly read some realy unknown polish authors
John Cooper
>Dune and Hyperion Check out "Sun Eater" and "Foundation" if you haven't already. Somewhat similar in writing style if not in plot.
Michael Lewis
>reading Dark Tower part 5
It’s pretty shit from here on out. It turns into a self insertion fan fiction. Yes. Stephen King is a character in his own books like in same faggoty Vonnegut shit.
Samuel Gonzalez
See how William Pierce's protoganist in Hunter was oblivious to the JQ in the beginning, even defending them, but the fed he met slowly but surely red-pilled him over the span of the book.
Jordan Reed
Thanks, defienitly going to check it out
Colton Walker
>Make him a failed art student emigrating to Germany >vlogging about critical situation in Berlin niggerburg for some spd youth channel dropping some redpills and gaining popularity >let him take over spd and make him chancellor >forms alliance with like minded nations >march of the millions against Bruxelles >European commission resigns >full blown war against the caliphate of France led by the neoborn halfnigger macron >... I can go on
Grayson Collins
So far it seems intresting, but im defienitly not going to read it once again. Its not worth it. Only 1st and 2nd book is So good i could read it again
Eli Williams
digits.
hide your power level? more like hiding in plain sight.
honestly, you dont need to make it political at all. make it about survival of a people group.
>That plot You're justifying the increasing surveillance and suspicion on boxing/MMA clubs. There's zero subtlety in the plot and reads like an MSM story in how white kids are being radicalised. Not mention the obvious self-insert/self-fantasy.
If you want to convince people of an overarching political agenda, write a manifesto. If you want to slowly introduce Right wing/Fascist ideas into the zeitgeist then write non-degenerate stories that focus on a singular aspect. A thriller which follows your archetypal Uberman fighting clerical corruption or Financial institutions or Insidious politicians etc...
Don't be a sperg and just write "and then Mr boxing teacher said Christchurch good cus Jews bad".
Ethan Scott
cool gets. Writing about a clueless liberal that gets redpilled is a good tale if it's aimed at those people, be sure to draw from personal experience.
If you write that book it will sell to a small group of people who already hold your beliefs.
Justin Kelly
Hey since you're taking advice I suggest the protagonist becomes radical slowly and naturally
At first he will view all races as equal but he wants his race to survive Then he starts to doubt the stuff above Then he comes to the conclusion that some races arent equal
Remember this is just an example and it must happen slowly so the reader can relate to the protagonist and evolve alongside him
You dont have to make it so obvious. Its probably better if a muslim or jew or leftist can self insert as the main character as well since the topic is actually about the endless struggle for survival (which is what national socialism was all about in the first place).
Kevin Mitchell
1. Having the protagonist get his views from others weakens its propaganda value. He should be getting his views from his own lived experiences. Its fiction. You can have whatever you want happen to him. It shouldn't be that hard to create a scenario that he would naturally interpret to be a reason to espouse a rightist view of the world. 2. You need a strong antagonist. Your protagonist and antagonist should be competing for the same goal. But be approaching it with opposite mindsets.
>Hey since you're taking advice I suggest the protagonist becomes radical slowly and naturally Naturally
>If you write that book it will sell to a small group of people who already hold your beliefs. Possible. Probably depends on how well done it is and on how subtle I can be.
>You're justifying the increasing surveillance and suspicion on boxing/MMA clubs Never heard of that
>There's zero subtlety in the plot and reads like an MSM story in how white kids are being radicalised. Well, it basically is.
>Not mention the obvious self-insert/self-fantasy. I actually have no wish of being part of a terrorist attack or leading a radical revolution. Though I am thinking of getting into Krav Maga.
>Don't be a sperg and just write "and then Mr boxing teacher said Christchurch good cus Jews bad". Ideally it would of course be way more subtle than that.
The problem with making the plot something more outlandish is, that it has to be believeable. I won't write about some Übermensch fighting corruption because I have no book idea pertaining to it. I can see it working, but I have no plot for it.
>Its probably better if a muslim or jew or leftist can self insert as the main character as well Well the idea is, that the protagonist and the arguments characters in the story make are relateable. I wouldn't go full on 14/88 on page 2.
Have two characters who are neither absolutely good nor evil, and have one go down each radical route. That way you can get away with dropping hard redpills without the book advocating for them.
Bonus points if you successfully write it in a way that makes leftists think one is the good guy and right wing people empathize with the other. Extra bonus points if each side’s good guy is the one that’s opposed to their side.
Liam Brown
>1. Having the protagonist get his views from others weakens its propaganda value. He should be getting his views from his own lived experiences. Its fiction. You can have whatever you want happen to him. It shouldn't be that hard to create a scenario that he would naturally interpret to be a reason to espouse a rightist view of the world. Getting beat up in Chapter 1 would be the trigger event, opening up his eyes to the bad state the country actually is, while at the same time getting some crime statistics or something presented to him via his new found friends.
>2. You need a strong antagonist. Your protagonist and antagonist should be competing for the same goal. But be approaching it with opposite mindsets. Actually, something to think about. In the follow up books it would be easy to introduce a politician or journalist as an antagonist, not sure who could fill that niche in books 1. Maybe some childhood friend..
Eli Torres
Fuck fr hes actually decent looking when hes young
