Let’s settle this once and for all

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> Did Russia meddle in the 2016 election?

Yes. And Russia has been for decades.
Same with the US. They have been fucking around in other country's elections for a long time.
Was it enough to sway the outcome? Doubt it.
This is game of state motherfuckers. This is the big leagues of nation hood. The Demonrats are acting like children truth be told.

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Are you aware of Skripal case?
Can you imagine secret service capable of fuckups of such astronomical scale, bringing mythical embarrassment that will be remembered through the ages upon them, infiltrating election system of most powerful country on Earth so clean no evidence has yet been found?

this is the only correct answer

This.

Also, Mueller can’t expand upon certain parts of his report because the FBI might be investigating shady politicians.

they crossed over from canada and pulled the levers in Michigan, Wisconsin and got to Penn too. They took a speed boat from Cuba to pull the levers in Florida.
Everyone was too focused on the Southern border and they came from the north.
it was horrible

>Implying that the fallout of Skripal case was not the exact goal of whoever cast it.
You sweet summer child

we do asshole gtfo memeflag jew

>Russian government officials literally provided the dirt on Trump (golden shower etc) to Hillary campaign

You know pissgate was fan fiction right?

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>the democrats are acting like children
what else is new

At least participate in the discussion, you moron.

did israel or mexico?

winner winner, chicken dinner

Every foriegn entity meddles in everyone else's election. Did they do it more than usual? Probably not. Did Trump help? No

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Yes I'm sure they did but that's the sign of a good leader wishing the best for HIS people.
Has the EU tried to meddle in Brexit.?
Has the world tried to influence the Russian voter against Putin and the American against Trump.
It's normal.

Wind your fucking necks in hypocrites.

I think they did, but just their normal level of fuckery. And no worse than other nations like China or Israel.

Us election has a big impact on them so it’s natural to expect SOME shit from them.

The us system needs to be robust enough to handle this.

It’s the use of us spy assets on us campas that raise a far bigger red flag here.

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>Give arguments for and against.
>against
Your stupidity knows no bounds burger

According to Meullers testimony today yes they did, and they still do. Its the "new norm".

Believe what you like.

If Russia support Trump, why sanctions against Russians still going?

Whats the difference between russian propaganda and fox/cnn/nbc propaganda?

31st pbp

The only intelligent post in this thread.

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you're kidding yourself if you think anywhere is different. politics is crime continued by other means.

THINK -- what happened to Anonymous?
The answer to this should be obvious!
Anonymous had what Jow Forums now lacks
The power to wage vigilante hacks,
And publicize corruption where it rots,
And force truth into sleepy public thoughts.
Has Anonymous now disappeared?
Once legendary, now no longer feared?
Once sparking protests-- is that fuel now spent?
The lulz are gone, gone the seething dissent?
What do you think this disappearance means?
Is speech still free in internet machines?

Well, look at what the chans have now become;
Examine what swirls in the daily scrum.
Ask yourself-- does it seem really real?
Does it show what actual people feel?
Does it seem organic and not fake?
How much repetition does it take--
How much frenzied vile monotony
Until we guess that internets ain't free?

Ask yourself-- if you sought to control
The media, and hence the public soul,
And something like Jow Forums was swelling up
And spilling truth from propaganda's cup
Would you let it go its merry way?
Or would you lock control down in some way?
And if you locked control down would you try
To do it in a way to fool the eye?
To make it seem like free speech carried on
Even though, in fact, it were quite gone?
For if you shut down free speech openly
The public would respond suspiciously;
But if you hid control beneath a ruse
What you once feared becomes a tool to use.
So that, controlling, you have it both ways--
Enslaving dissent, dictating what it says!

Anonymous was infiltrated by
The famously mendacious FBI
Whose antics as shown by COINTELPRO
Target dissent, as I'm sure most people know.
Do we think that having sunk its claws
Into Anonymous, with lies and laws,
That the FBI would then allow
Free speech to have stayed quite free till now?

But it's not like we have far to look
To see by what means free speech got the hook;
The image made by chans' mirrors and smoke
Is so stupid it seems to be a joke!
How laughable must a deception be
Before the world opens its eyes to see?
The simple fact-- as stark as winter dawn--
Is that Anonymous, busted, now gone
Was replaced by swarms of-- wait for it--
Virulent nazis spewing nazi shit!
We would have to laugh if we were told
This outcome in the Jow Forums days of old.
So formulaic, politically cliched--
And yet this very game is being played!
How can a joke as stupid as this one
Be used to strangle free speech, and to stun
The helpless mainstream public with the fear
That an internet fourth reich draws near?
But if that preposterousness is not
Enough to spark the understanding thought,
Consider, even stupider to tell,
The arch absurdity of the “incel”!
No, it's not enough that nazis rose
To cloak and choke the chans in nazi throes--
No, these scary nazis all the same
Must wallow in their helplessness and shame!
The “incel” is not just a defeated man--
But a powerful extremist with a plan!
No matter that these two things contradict--
We'll just keep hammering at them till they stick!

Now ask yourself-- does the technology
Exist to make the unfree chans seem free?
Think data, think vault 7, and AI--
And God knows what else, hidden from the eye.
And look at the corruption that's been shown
That yet to public truth remains unknown.
Understand-- the chans are herded tight
And nothing unpermitted sees the light,
The MSM and Chatbot Chans converge
To regulate how much truth can emerge.
When swarming nazi posts fill up the place
Then actual dissent can't get the space
To breathe, develop, organize, or live;
The chatbots force the nazi narrative.

But it's not just “incel nazi” swarms
Faking behind outward human forms--
The chatbots aim to keep all things in hand
And keep narrative rolling out as planned.
One objective that's not hard to see
Is unrelenting negativity.
Demoralizing, soul-hollowing tropes;
One bot's vicious, while the other mopes;
Bots promoting suicide to us--
Think about what pure evil that is!
And every possible way to divide
Is used to keep the chaos multiplied.
“Hate threads” for all known identities
Create an atmosphere like a disease.
AI apes the worst of our past posts
And pours them out in hordes of hateful ghosts.
And so the chans, within, drive us away
While on the outside, dictate what “we” say.
The public, for example, thinks the chans
Supported Trump due to his “nazi plans”;
But on the chans much more than half the spew
Hates Trump because he fails to hate “the Jew”!
While on the other side, the pro-Trump bots
Are emulated utter idiots!

By now it should be more than obvious--
Free speech ended with Anonymous.
The Chatbot Chans system is locked in place,
The zombie user leers from a stolen face.
The truth lies right here, waiting to be seen;
A monster stirs to life in the machine...

And remember also, this other thing I tell:
Prepare to stare into the mouth of Hell.

And one more thing, while I have your ear:
Q is legit, and the storm is almost here.

everytime they accuse Russia of anything just replace Russia with CIA and it will make sense

Obama 2016: Russia can't meddle in the elections
Snowden 2016: literally walked step by step on how the could do it and it isn't possible

I’m still here
There is nothing wrong with my statement. I was asking for arguments for and against its occurrence, or more properly the degree to which it’s been built up

No.

I followed the 2016 US election campaign closely.

I didn't see anything that could have been Russian collusion.

A lot of the campaign contents were American made.

Obama and his admin organised the election. If there was any foreign collusion or intervention, it's Obama's fault and responsibility.

Hahaha

Yes, Obama and US presidents in general like to meddle in British politics. How come no one investigates those cases?

Probably yes, but nowhere near to the extent that Dems tried to portray it. Only a retard can think that Trump wouldn't have anything else to talk about Hillary if Russians didn't give him the whole email server info.

The reason Trump won is because he was holding 5 rallies a day in the final 10 days while HRC was only holding 3 rallies a day, plus she wasted like two days campaigning in NY and California of all places, in the final 10 days or so. Just think about it, 2 extra rallies over the course of 8 days and 10 extra rallies over the course of 2 days, all in states where it really mattered. That's 36 crowds more. What was the vote difference in key States? Like 50k in Trump's favor. In the end Trump campaigned better than HRC and won the elections.

Not as much as Israel did

I think russian interference is just codename for us desu because they can't say a international unhinged autistic animeconsuming internet chaosmachine interfered with the election.

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Do Russians interfere in US politics? Yes.
Do US interfere in Russian poilitics? Yes.

Did Russians hack the DNC computers?

NO.

There is not a single shred of evidence indicating the Russians hacked the DNC, and wikileaks (the recipients of the leak), claim that the DNC emails were leaked by an insider.

End of story.
No evidence to the contrary.
Have a nice day.