The Tsarist monarchy was worse the the Soviet Union

Someone should draw animated Anastasia nine months pregnant and being saved from the filthy commies by a Confederate soldier.

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Jewish people suffered a lot under the Tsar, they had lots of influence and managed to get people together to throw over the regime. I dislike Jewish people for their behaviour, but considering how the working class was oppressed during the Tsar, they had a point in that regard.

nope, the zarist monarchy was probably the greatest period of russian history

How?

>the working class was oppressed during the Tsar
the working class would not be oppressed until the soviet jew communists would take over
the zarist monarchy made freemen out of serfs and literate cultured people out of farmers at the periphery of civilization
while under communism all of that ended and russia became the most vile place on earth ruled by butcherers led by the devil himself

We can't.
You're too mentally retarded to even understand things.

Based.

Yep, after 50 million dead bodies and luck in WWII.

At the costs of the entire Russian population + the Slavic part of Europe.

Just imagine, gather half of Europe into pretty much the same country, the largest on Earth, with more whites than the States and can't even fucking beat the mutts...

If Western Europe was up for it, we'd been on Mars already or something.

>people were forced to work 12-14 hours a day to barely stay alive

Gee kinda like the gulags you turbonigger

>the zarist monarchy made freemen out of serfs and literate cultured people out of farmers at the periphery of civilization

That's literally the exact opposite of what happened in those days. This only happened after the communists took over. Was there violence? Yes. Was there mass-murder? Yes. But Russia flourished under communism. It became a world-power under Stalin.

Fuck you, you massive retard.
I was going to try to debate you but now I have to puke because you smell like a dirty and dumb disgusting Jew.

Gulags were for traitors.
Serfdom were for people born without luck.

You know i'm right.

Russian aristocrats were lackeys of the West, while bolsheviks at least wanted to make Russia independent from Western economic trade chains. They failed, but they tried.

Through slavery
How the US did it too i guess

>That's literally the exact opposite of what happened in those days. This only happened after the communists took over
nope, that is a communist lie
after the communists took over, russia reverted to a state in worse of a serfdom than before alexander ii actually freed the serfs
the only thing the communists did was take away the lands from the peasants, which owned 80% of the land at the time and give it to the new soviet landlords.

The Russian people were memed on. "Helping the working class" was just their pretext for turning everything into a dystopian hell hole.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazino_affair

Did tsar do shit like this to Slavs?

>Gulags were for traitors.
Gulags were for innocents
Gulags were for those, who prove that the Soviets based their government on lies. As such all of the peasants that held the land themselves, were thrown into the gulag claiming that they were "kulaks", "kulak" meaning "those that prove that russia had no oppressed working class"

>traitors

So anybody who didn’t conform to your delusional worldview? And your system wasn’t serfdom?

user don’t try and debate them. They’ll regurgitate the same thing over and over again and deny every shred of evidence presented against them.

>Jewish people suffered a lot under the Tsar
Bullshit, but if it was hypothetically real then good

>nope, that is a communist lie

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Likbez

No it isn't.

>the only thing the communists did was take away the lands from the peasants, which owned 80% of the land at the time and give it to the new soviet landlords.

Yes, and salary and living standards were much better in comparison with the Tsarist regime.

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"eradication of illiteracy" is a lie too
russia was a mostly literate country before the soviets took over
"eradication of illiteracy" was in reality eradication of any literacy that was opposed to the demonic soviet government, it was the eradication of history and truth and brainwashing into soviet propaganda.

So far i'm the only one who gave citation for his claims.

>russia was a mostly literate country before the soviets took over

Prove it.

>gave a citation

Wikipedia doesn’t count you mogoloid. Try that in an academic setting and you’ll be laughed out into the street.

>Try that in an academic setting

We're not in an academic setting, are we?
Wikipedia cites all their sources under their articles.

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This is a lie, fucking commie. Remove your memeflag and get the fuck out.

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>if a person could read the alphabet and spell their name they were considered literate and in even more remote areas of the country census takers were more lax with their qualifications.

Wow! So literate! It’s as if you didn’t read your citation.

>exploited the working class was monstrous.
That's what the working class is for. There are betters and lessers. The lowborn need aristocracy to govern them.
>very little pay for an entire day's work, just enough to live off of
If the plebs were allowed more money they'd spiral into degeneracy, as all lowborn do.
>Most people couldn't even read in Russia under the Tsar regime.
Why the fuck would they need to? There's nothing to read on a plough.

Shut the hell up cousin fucker
Dont make us go down their again and turn Atlanta to ash

>turn Atlanta to ash

You say that like it’s a bad thing

Of course it was. Do you think the Tsarist monarchy would poll like this?

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The percentage of troops who were literate entering into the Russian Army in 1874 was 21% but had climbed up to 68% in 1913.

>That's what the working class is for. There are betters and lessers. The lowborn need aristocracy to govern them.

Low born people doesn't equal low quality folk.
Poor physical labourer doesn't equal low IQ degenerate.

All Northerners should be hanged from trees.

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Citation needed.

You clearly haven’t experienced many of the low quality folk. Get out of the burbs and experience the ghetto or trailer trash and you’ll quickly change your tune.

When Russia Learned to Read: Literacy and Popular Literature, 1861-1917. Princeton, N.J.: Princeton University Press, 1985.

todays not the day buddy

Danke schon.

For jews he was worse but not as bad as the bolsheviks were for christians. That was a slaughter fest committed by jews.

Brutal but fairly realistic. We (at least people in the US) have been brainwashed to think there is something noble about Democracy and the common person. The truth is common people are unremarkable and are unable to make decisions about how society is run.

It depends what historical period you mean. Tsarism before 1861 - basically a slave state akin to modern-day Mauritania.
Tsarism in 1861-1906 - Mauritania on the way of becoming Saudi Arabia
Tsarism in 1906-1917 - Huge Romania, this is the best that Tsarism managed to build
Soviet Russia in 1917-1922 - Kampuchea under Pol Pot
Soviet Union in 1922-1929 - Deng's China
Soviet Union in 1929-1953 - North Korea
Soviet Union in 1953-1985 - Cuba
Soviet Union in 1985-1991 - Deng's China

Two things this makes me think of. 1) What would life have been life in Russia if the Tsar was not deposed but the country still manage to industrialize and 2) it's funny how communists have an almost religious fervor for their ideology but the the reality is its implementation is far from perfect.

Okay:
>Soviets = Jews
>Tsars = Not Jews
What do I win?

>What would life have been life in Russia if the Tsar was not deposed but the country still manage to industrialize

Hard to say given how incompetent he was. But pretty much all industry was owned by the Westerners, so it would remain huge Romania/Mexico at best.

Jews were kicked out from power in 1937.

>Memeflag
>Promoting Zionism on Jow Forums
>Mind is not changeable

What took so long?

That makes sense. I suppose there wasn't the culture in place to transform it into a constitutional republic of some sort. I suppose geography is to blame, Russia is just too damn big

Stalin was slow.

>Anyone who disagrees with me is a traitor.
Even the Tsars weren't this brutal and bloodthirsty

More to the original point, that means Jews were in power in the USSR for about 20 years. How many years were they in power in the Russian Empire?

This is the only correct way to change a Communist's mind.

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>Even the Tsars weren't this brutal and bloodthirsty

When a enormous procession marched towards the palace asking for shorter work hours and better wages he organised a pogrom against them and killed hundreds.

Exile to Siberia was quite common as well.

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Funny, National Socialism was better than both.

In a way I don't blame the Russians or the Chinese for turning to communism. They didn't have the culture or infrastructure to make a better transformation possible, so they did what they could.

From 1825 to 1917, a grand total of 6,321 executions in Imperial Russia. If Czarist Russia was even 1/10th of what the Soviet Union was, the world would not know what communism was.

if thats true, why did so many more people try to leave the soviet union than tsarist russia?

>Bloody Sunday
>the Tsar was not at the Winter Palace and did not give the order for the troops to fire

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloody_Sunday_(1905)

You're wrong.

>Jewish people suffered a lot under the Tsar
I wish mate.

It's too bad that it was only 6,321.

Flat out wrong. If anything they could have prevented the millions of deaths from communism by being harder on socialists in the beginning.

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>commies revolt against their righteous masters
>get shot
Do commies ever learn?

Only Jews didn't rule Soviet Union like they do Russia now.

> The Tsarist monarchy was worse the the Soviet Union

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>Exile to Siberia was quite common as well
The secret service of Czarist Russia was around 1,000 officers in 1900. Exiles to Siberia essentially took the form of holidays that the “inmates” could cancel at will. Dzhugashvili (Stalin) “escaped” from Siberia around seven or eight times.

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The Tsar killed all the jews periodically.

There were constant peasant revolts in russian empire. Many people died of different reasons including famins, no healthcare at all and many where not even counted because they were not considered citizens. No education system, 90% of all russians were illitrarate. Even nobility hated the Tsar, see the Decemberist revolt and revolution of 1905. They literally called him Bloody Nikolai.

Millions killed in gulag prisons, debunked.
Millions ukranians ded from famin, not even close to be proven.

Inb4 muh Solzhenitsin is the source

The way the soviet union operated wasn't that much different than how tsarist russia did. It's almost like it's just an eastern slavic thing, and has nothing to do with ideology.

Yeah, no Jews in power left.

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ITT: commie dumbfuck doesn't know what the Stolypin reforms,