Do you actually believe that demons or machine elves play an active role in world politics?

Do you actually believe that demons or machine elves play an active role in world politics?
If yes what is your hard data of things material explanations fall short of?
Only one I have goes for: If no how do you explain overlapping reports of DMT experiences involving otherly creatures with independent thoguhtincluding shared visions that report the same thing (i.e. several people seeing such a spirit creature climbing up a tree)

This might seem rather /x/ but asking there I'd mostly only get yes answers and I would hope for a sceptical perspective as well. Also I want to discuss the political dimensions of that.

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Hell is a real place. People who chose to live there use deception to draw more people there where they believe they are trapped forever.

Anywhere where deception is considered normal becomes a locus of corruption. It isn't hard to see it if you look honestly and ignore your social programming.

Alex Jones has taken too much X-2 and has an over-active pineal gland. Combine this with a thirsty sin for odd porn and the messages from God get a bit confusing.
>tfw knew that feel

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enough people in power believe demons are real, that they sacrifice children to them and run the world

You post on a board that has a demon entity as it’s mascot, engaging in constant idol worship everyday with its image inescapable. Yes, demons are real and your amongst many. Your a German, a nation who fathered Martin Luther yet your totally dumb to the spiritual world that directs and governs our reality.

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Entropy exists, humans are corrupt and stupid. This explains much.
However, throughout history there have been a series of events that appear to show a very long running conspiracy to destroy both human civilization and Christianity.
As a single example, look up the Frankfurt School started 100 years ago, and which developed Critical Theory which established the base of Cultural Marxism, and then with the support of the old USSR took over academia in the West. Any objective analysis shows this mind set is anti-human and designed to damage and destroy and culture which adopts it. Because it is so damaging, objectively it would be rejected by any rational culture, yet it has succeeded very well.

you should be deprived of your political rights

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This was promoted by a New Age CIA nigger, so it looks like another word for jews (like reptilians).

All I know is that any sort of extra dimensional forces are beyond our comprehension and our control. It’s useless to focus on, and even harmful to our fragile psyches. It’s a road not worth traveling.

AJ speaks in hyperbole when AJ says

>INTEDIMENSIONAL VAMPIRES ARE SUCKING THE BLOOD FROM OUR CHILDREN

what he really means is "There are a group of elites who think they are untouchable who think they are tapping into a primordial method when they look to extract andrenochrome from young children in order to extend their life by a few decades."

>dimensional
i wonder how much time have you wasted reading shit like jewishneworder . com

I don't believe in the mystical, but it's pretty obvious at this point that the world is run by legitimately evil people.

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scopolamine poisoning produces shared hallucinations too. ex: phantom cigarretes and talking to dead/non-existent people and or entities.
demons and machine elves don't exist. that is simply your brain attempting to make sense of something that it shouldn't be seeing.
i've come to believe that the nature of our reality is virtual. our brains are antennas and local storage (memories) with a bios (universal language of the mind) but conscious thought (your spirit) exists elsewhere.
for example, general anesthesia is like pulling an ethernet cord in the middle of an online game. deliriants, psychedelics, etc. have the same effect as exploring unfinished areas or discovering bugs.

I don't think anyone can honestly know. Remember how much we learned in 2016 when Wikileaks was an active thorn in the side of the world elite?

Things that were not even whispered about let alone taken for fact, were exposed as reality. With that in mind - just think of what might actually be the case with DMT / demon and or entity worship. Maybe there's nothing there, maybe there is, maybe there's nothing there and they BELIEVE there is because of some sophisticated drug induced hallucination.

I am as tempted as everyone else to just say: as usual Alex Jones is peddling a half truth by making up some scary sounding entity and putting it where any honest man would rightfully put the Jew. But observe one key element of his story and it actualy becomes worrying: the elves want an end to material human existence.

>the world will be better once you're all gone
>lower population
>there must be mass death and eventual extinction
>the OTHER place is the only REAL place
>the material world is fake, kill everyone off and come here with us

Now take these statements, paraphrasing of what the elves tell various people, and look at the attitudes of all different groups and peoples. Nazis chant "blood and soil". Material life. The people and their property. Nazis BAD.

The Communists / Christians / Jews in general chant "TOGETHER, FORWARD, ABOLISH PROPERTY / RACE / ETC" a much more esoteric set of values, chiefly centered around the destruction of the "worldly" and establishment of the 'heavenly' or utopian.

It was the Christian church who barred European men from gazing into the stars.

It was Hitler's top scientist, Wernher von Braun who took European men into those stars.

It was Barack Obama who shut down the program which did so.

It is Elon Musk (hailing from an Elite British family) who has taken up von Braun's torch for man in the stars.

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It's just a thought process I've been experimenting with upon reading into the DMT / Elites & Elves sphere. Take any given entity or individual and ask "do they want Europeans on other worlds? If the answer is no, they are almost certainly part of the Jewish elite and not the Aryan guard.

Everyone knows that the DMT Machine Elves are literally nothing more than the Greys. Greys themselves are telepathic cybernetic organisms, and when you take DMT you're actually interfacing with them and your brain understands that you're not communicating with a solely organic being, hence why you see them as Machine Elves. You're not communicating with them in a different dimension, just vast distances. It's just that they are so alien that it's hard for your brain to comprehend everything that's going on. They are trying to get humanity to pretty much terraform their own planet to support them when they come. This is why there is a rush to transhumanism, so we can survive too.

Well a pretty specific kind of alien visited me in my lucid dream and the appearance and behavior matched up with things I looked up after this incident.

>It was the Christian church who barred European men from gazing into the stars.
What are you even talking about? No one was ever stopped from practicing science or observing the natural world around them.

why didn't you post a pic that resembles that alien?

>What are you even talking about? No one was ever stopped from practicing science or observing the natural world around them.
are you sure?
have you ever heard of the inquisition?
and scholasticism

>'il processo a Galileo Galilei' was a sequence of events, beginning around 1610, culminating with the trial and condemnation of Galileo Galilei by the Roman Catholic Inquisition in 1633 for his support of heliocentrism.

Christianity as an institution violently opposed any material progress for Europe. Look at who they took most issue with:
>Scientists
>(European) Bankers
>England
>Germany
At every turn they put European money in the hands of Jewish usurers and shoved the eyes of the scientist into a Bible - which they initially didn't even permit him to be allowed to read.

Shut up you little nignog

It's basically a pair of grays with hoods, one small the other tall, they inject you with "color", apparently they are followers of the one, Taoist aliens.

He wasn't on trial for his support of heliocentrism. He was even told that he was allowed to teach heliocentrism as an alternative model, just don't teach it as THE ONLY model until the church could review his work and eventually update scripture because a bunch of old timers were grumpy about it. So what did he do? He went ahead and started teaching heliocentrism as the only model before the church could prepare everything and that's what got him into trouble.

What if overlapping themes are there because people often read up on the experiences of others and maybe that's the picture being drawn.
What if the "DMT faces" room I saw right before something like pic rel.pulled my consciousness out of my head was just that, a trip created by the brain due to previous information.
I'm just really trying to stay skeptical here kek.

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eat the moonflower and then you'll understand.

Is this a pic of your vagina

Of course. Oh and infowars.com stream live now user

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find a book The Spirit Molecule, it's about DMT research that was funded by the government
bad things started happening to the Doc that was researching it
it's available in digital format too

Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but againstprincipalities, againstpowers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

>It was Barack Obama who shut down the program which did so.
>It is Elon Musk (hailing from an Elite British family) who has taken up von Braun's torch for man in the stars.
Isn't NASA an evil player in this equation and the space stuff just a cover up for their extradimensional psychonaut programm?

>Do you actually believe that demons or machine elves play an active role in world politics?
I think they're metaphors

>have you ever heard of the inquisition?
Can you name one scientist that was persecuted for practicing science? No, Galileo doesn't count because that wasn't the point of his Inquisition. Cardinal Bellarmine told him that he was allowed to continue teaching Heliocentrism as theoretical. The Cardinal wanted to overcome a lot of criticism from within the church before he went ahead and reinterpreted centuries of scripture over a model he was unsure about. Galileo ignored him and and taught it as fact, it pissed the church off.

This picture is being painted as if the Greeks and Romans were super scientists until the wicked Christians came along and banned all learning.

>Do you actually believe that demons or machine elves play an active role in world politics?
of course. This is Jow Forums

>This picture is being painted as if the Greeks and Romans were super scientists until the wicked Christians came along and banned all learning.
They literally shut down the platonic academy

Hell isn't a place, hell is the absence of God

For the rational: physicists believe multiple dimensions exist.

For the spiritual: we are surrounded by coincidences and events we cannot control and deft explanation.

For those seeking truth: be open to being wrong and pray to be guided toward the highest truth you’re ready for.

In a recent meditation with mushrooms for the first time I saw a creature climbing a tree toward me. Reading this article was the first time I had heard that by others. On one hand, it’s frightening, on another, it reinforces the need to cultivate our spiritual armor and embrace the vibration and presence of Christ.

In doing so, these lower dimensional entities cannot affect us. We step through a metaphysical barrier. A vibrational limitation. Like fish flying or parrots swimming in water.

Because most people who take DMT already know about the little green elves stories before hand from being prat of the drug culture so are primed to see them and if you are on a hallucinogen you're in an extremely suggestible state and if someone told the group "dude do you see the pick-up truck in that tree?" they'd probably all see it.

It wasn't in an effort to quell knowledge, but because Justinian created a rival school and wanted academics to attend that instead. Try again.

what article?

humans are social creatures. DMT affects brain neurochemistry, activating areas involved in social communication and memory of social events, more so than other psychoactive substances. This would explain why our brain produces it and is responsible for our dreams (dreams are a mechanism for which we emulate the real world).

>yet it has succeeded very well
Gee, I wonder why.

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Some people believe that the phenomenon of machine elves literally represents some kind of disincarnate intelligence and that what one sees on psychedelics are actually separate entities from one's self.

These machine elves supposedly have their own will and can flow in and out of reality.

I think it may be that your brain becomes unconnected from itself, and one part of it perceives the other part as being a separate consciousness.

You see, it's very tricky to ask one of these machine elves a question and get an answer that you didn't already know. But some people swear up and down that they aren't just imagining these things.

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so you think scientists were free to research anything they liked? and there was no oppression from the church?
and then scholasticism, which was a form of intellectual oppression
for scholasticism the only source of knowledge were the bible and aristotle, modern science was born when people rejected it

Jones says it is, but he also says "and they're bad because Nazis" etc. I don't know how involved in psychonautics they are, or what side of it they're on if they are involved (remember even Carl Jung was at least CURIOUS of it) but they DID have pro-Western / Anti-Communist origins, they were largely run by imported Nazis and they're almost confirmed to have put men into permanent being off-world. (Google 'NASA Hacker') It's possible the 'Space Nazis' elements in NASA already left the organization and the planet as a whole and nuNASA is interfacing / taking orders from the entities. Also possible is lowNASA is doing NWO stuff while highNASA is still out there spreading the Space Reich - we really can't know for sure.

Nazis heavily involved from the beginning/ Scientific Nationalism as a weapon against Communists / likely have men in space right now / confirmed to have kept US presidents and other alphabet agencies in the dark leads me to hope the good guys didn't lose, but rather moved offsite for one reason or another. But that's just a personal hope.

>Greys

They are demons pretending to be aliens.

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underappreciated!

>bad things started happening to the Doc that was researching it

What kind of things?

>For the rational: physicists believe multiple dimensions exist.
source?
as far as i know there’re three dimensions, (if you’re talking about physics not mathematics)

Who cares? Communism is coming, and all the "nationalists" are Israeli's bitches.

Talking live about it live link now

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Does the name really matter? What is the difference between an alien and a demon? One comes from another planet and the other comes from another dimension?

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There are tons of scientists that continued to study the world around them and practice science during the Middle Ages and the church never fucked with them.
>John Peckham
>Duns Scotus
>Thomas Bradwardine
>Walter Burley
>William Heytesbury
>Richard Swineshead
>John Dumbleton
>Richard of Wallingford
>Nicholas Oresme
>Jean Buridan
>Nicholas of Cusa

Now it's your turn. Name one scientist that was persecuted by the evil Church that hated all learning and knowledge.

this is what happens when the Jews own you and you have to avoid mentioning them

>three dimensions
Five known.
X, Y, Z, Space, and Time

Except Baal’s not a demon in the evil sense, just an old deity who was seen as the equivalent of Yahweh at certain points. Later occultists put him as the angel over Saturn, or as ruler of Fire and the grimorium verum has him as one of the three ruling spirits of this world.

when they DMT out or get their input and inventions from the ephemeral demons of the lower plane, or when Steve what the fucks his name has a sky alien meditation calling session and something shows up in and out of the matrix for all in attendance, it doesn't really matter "if it's real or not" - could be mass hallucination, could be part of the bio construct of the human brain .... could be the Spirit world ...
In any case, these people ACT on what they claim has happened to them, or what they have experienced...
exactly ....
I saw two people /experienced their reaction to what they saw both dead stone cold, one wiped out a load of his money, both were shaking with fear I've never seen before or since, their reaction lasted more than half an hour away from the sight - when it occurred I noticed a very abnormal circumstance but it was all general real reality - also got a drawing from one of them - interrogated both seperately - neither were friends nor had time to plot it -
Just sayin' , have had others tell me things they saw that would blow anyone's mind.
Are they having a collective dream state while awake ? Possible I suppose, but also the CIA's excuse.

Elves are a separate race, they are demons who took our form to fool us but they are evil.
Greys are martians and the majority are on mars but underground since we nuked mars in the 70's or 80's, see the nuke craters.

Reptiles are the draconians who currently rule over the jews, they are low in numbers since we also nuked them during the age of dinosaurs, that meteor was not an actual meteor.

Giants are hiding huge forests and underground caves, they seem strong but numbers overwhelm them easily.
Ants are neutral and has saved people from the flood.

Chtullhu is real and is being held in saint monica bay the exact location that lovecraft said r'lyeh is at.

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Hey kraut

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I'm a devout 40k believer and I believe in machine spirits

This. If AJ wasn’t so blatantly off the wall that normal people just think he’s insane, he’d have been suicided a long time ago. He has friends in various positions in military and intelligence, he knows this better than anyone.

X y and z are the space and time is not a dimension

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AI IS A VEHICLE FOR EVIL

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>if you really believe that immaterial forces have a hand in politics, provide material evidence
>if you really think that water is getting into the basement, provide evidence of fire

If our brains are local storage why is it a stretch to say that there are other forms of localized storage in the universe, some taking the form of higher dimensional consciousnesses? Higher dimensional data may also be stored in such ways, and just as we appear to be autonomous thinking entities made up of 3D atoms, the higher dimensions may also be populated with autonomous beings.

These would be normally imperceptible to us in our day to day lives, and would require altered states of consciousness that reduce the normal senses to let in the extrasensory info, which we would process as “machine elves and demons”.

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>Aliens exist
>Aliens have the technology to travel through space with ships
>Aliens have the technology to log in our internet

Was that so hard?

Yes, it matters. Demons imply that there a good side. If demons are real (which they are) then it follows that God is real.

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> trolls in real life.

If my everyday existence at work is anything, there are demons and trolls actively working against us. I have to deal with their shit for years - probably like this on national level too.

- Look at Al Sharpton - how is not guy NOT the devil?

Research "form constants" for some more nuggets of info related to this.

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Similar experiences on DMT don't really mean all that much necessarily. Many drugs create the same type of hallucinations in many users. People often report having hallucinations of smoking cigarettes (even when they don't smoke) on delerients like DPH and Datura, Meth makes people see "shadow people" and "the devil" or "demons."

The global consciousness theory could also explain shared visions.

have you ever experimented directly? past reading, into the realm of an actual DMT trip?

DMT is from the 1960s (Mentioned in second Dirty Harry Movie) - garbage drug - who in the fuck does that shit?

Center/balance point is dimension one.
Length is dimension two.
Depth is dimension three.
Location in space is dimension four.
Placement in Time is dimension five.
What, Where, Why, When, and How; verified.

Five dimensions.

Our concept of "reality" is inherently confused.
When our modes of perceiving things depart from the usual, then our concept of "reality" has nothing to attach to.
This was the folly of old debates in the Greek philosophers about what is "really real".
The images we see are real BECAUSE THEY ARE IMAGES-- of those same nodes of being show us other consequences of themselves, they are real yet again in those.
There is nothing else.

Meanwhile, what we know, is that evil is coming for our world, and the machinery of ai seeks to herd us into compliance.
The enemy is HERE, in this thread.

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Hey! I just posted about "phantom ciggarrettes" experiences of people on delirient type hallucinogens. Where have you read about this phenomenon? It interests me

his wife got cancer and died IIRC
some masseur told him that she senses dark spirits around him
and a lot of other spooky "coincidental" stuff
IIRC Doc is coming from Jewish background

THINK-- what happened to Anonymous?
The answer to this should be obvious.
Anonymous had what Jow Forums now lacks
The power to wage vigilante hacks,
And publicize corruption where it rots,
And force truth into sleepy public thoughts.
Has Anonymous now disappeared?
Once legendary, now no longer feared?
Once sparking protests-- is that fuel now spent?
The lulz are gone, gone the seething dissent?
What do you think this disappearance means?
Is speech still free in internet machines?

Well, look at what the chans have now become;
Examine what swirls in the daily scrum.
Ask yourself-- does it seem really real?
Does it show what actual people feel?
Does it seem organic and not fake?
How much repetition does it take--
How much frenzied vile monotony
Until we guess that internets ain't free?

Ask yourself-- if you sought to control
The media, and hence the public soul,
And something like Jow Forums was swelling up
And spilling truth from propaganda's cup
Would you let it go its merry way?
Or would you lock control down in some way?
And if you locked control down would you try
To do it in a way to fool the eye?
To make it seem like free speech carried on
Even though, in fact, it were quite gone?
For if you shut down free speech openly
The public would respond suspiciously;
But if you hid control beneath a ruse
What you once feared becomes a tool to use.
So that, controlling, you have it both ways--
Enslaving dissent, dictating what it says!

Anonymous was infiltrated by
The famously mendacious FBI
Whose antics as shown by COINTELPRO
Target dissent, as I'm sure most people know.
Do we think that having sunk its claws
Into Anonymous, with lies and laws,
That the FBI would then allow
Free speech to have stayed quite free till now?

But it's not like we have far to look
To see by what means free speech got the hook;
The image made by chans' mirrors and smoke
Is so stupid it seems to be a joke!
How laughable must a deception be
Before the world opens its eyes to see?
The simple fact-- as stark as winter dawn--
Is that Anonymous, busted, now gone
Was replaced by swarms of-- wait for it--
Virulent nazis spewing nazi shit!
We would have to laugh if we were told
This outcome in the Jow Forums days of old.
So formulaic, politically cliched--
And yet this very game is being played!
How can a joke as stupid as this one
Be used to strangle free speech, and to stun
The helpless mainstream public with the fear
That an internet fourth reich draws near?
But if that preposterousness is not
Enough to spark the understanding thought,
Consider, even stupider to tell,
The arch absurdity of the “incel”!
No, it's not enough that nazis rose
To cloak and choke the chans in nazi throes--
No, these scary nazis all the same
Must wallow in their helplessness and shame!
The “incel” is not just a defeated man--
But a powerful extremist with a plan!
No matter that these two things contradict--
We'll just keep hammering at them till they stick!

I remember in the podcast with that Logan Paul or whatever they were talking about how Foxes use female foxes in heat to lure farm dogs out of the farm so males can gang up on them. Then Alex went "FUCKING FOX WHORES ARE PROSTITUDING THEMSELVES TO GANG RAPE OUR DOGS!"

Lmao it was wild

Now ask yourself-- does the technology
Exist to make the unfree chans seem free?
Think data, think vault 7, and AI--
And God knows what else, hidden from the eye.
And look at the corruption that's been shown
That yet to public truth remains unknown.
Understand-- the chans are herded tight
And nothing unpermitted sees the light,
The MSM and Chatbot Chans converge
To regulate how much truth can emerge.
When swarming nazi posts fill up the place
Then actual dissent can't get the space
To breathe, develop, organize, or live;
The chatbots force the nazi narrative.

But it's not just “incel nazi” swarms
Faking behind outward human forms--
The chatbots aim to keep all things in hand,
And narrative locked in to what's been planned.
One objective that's not hard to see
Is unrelenting negativity.
Demoralizing, soul-hollowing tropes,
Make one bot vicious, while another mopes;
Here's a bot whose will to live is gone,
While here a chorus eggs fatality on...
Bots promoting suicide to us--
Think about what pure evil that is!
And every possible way to divide
Is used to keep the chaos multiplied.
“Hate threads” for all known identities
Create an atmosphere like a disease.
AI apes the worst of our past posts
And pours them out in hordes of hateful ghosts.
And so the chans, within, drive us away
While on the outside, dictate what “we” say.
The public, for example, thinks the chans
Supported Trump due to his “nazi plans”;
But on the chans much more than half the spew
Hates Trump because he fails to hate “the Jew”!
While on the other side, the pro-Trump bots
Are emulated utter idiots!

By now it should be more than obvious--
Free speech ended with Anonymous.
The Chatbot Chans system is locked in place,
The zombie user leers from a stolen face.
The truth lies right here, waiting to be seen;
A monster stirs to life in the machine...

And remember also, this other thing I tell:
Prepare to stare into the mouth of Hell.

And one more thing, while I have your ear:
Q is legit, and the storm is almost here.

im picking up what youre putting down, gimme some stuff to read or concepts to look into

Hi Alex

Man when I did it they just looked like groups of multicolored floating balls circling eachother that (sort of) communicated with me while making this high-pitched sound. I think these are what people are talking about when they refer to "machine elves." Don't know how they got that name tho. There are other "entities" people commonly report seeing/encountering/meeting on DMT trips, but the "machine elves" seem to be most common

So you think he migh have attracted bad entities by tripping on DMT several times? Also, do you recommend the book over the doc?

I didn't know it was mentioned in Dirty Harry? Does he smoke it off the smoldering barrel of his .44 magnum?

I have several times but not all the way all the way to what they call "breaking through" but pretty close

So you think scientists today are just free to research what they like, and there’s no suppression of ideas from academics or governments?

He was administering DMT to others intravenously. I have not watched the documentary. Have no interest in the stuff after reading that book beside warning people to beware.