I'm summoning Indo-European history and general history expert to know more about the Basque People: what should be our policy regarding them?
What we know about them: >Not indoeuropean >Probably older know people in Europe tho >Alien sounding language >Pantheon completely different from the IE: lot's of ground spirits, underground gods and lack of celestial ones >Rather eagalitarian society, opposed to general indoeuropean-based society >ETA is a leftist dumpster fire >Unique y-haplogroup and majority rh- O blood
Have they a place in Europe, like our Finno-Mongol bros, and should be considered honorary Aryans? or should they considered a relic of the defeated Anatolian Farmer Europa and just assimilated by Spain an France?
This is more like swimming through piss to find water
James Young
I will still try. Thanks for the help with the bump tho
Notice how unusuall their pantheon is. The chief goddes is the Mother Earth, who probably lost the original name when they converted to Christianity, and started call her Mary
their culture probably predates everything else around. They're like Etruscans that didn't go extinct
Joshua Baker
The Basque are not white.
Ryder Stewart
Interesting enough, Etruscans were know and critizied by Romans and Greeks for the unsual liberty permitted to their women. While i still think Gimbutas exaggerated their fantasy of an old Matriarchal Europe, i think it was right to noticed they probably had more importance before the IE arrival, as nomadic and pastoral societies tend to be more strictly patriarchal
they are based but mostly ugly, and I think it's because they were isolated for a quite long time.
Connor King
lmao amerimutt digits
Alexander Adams
While PETA is marxist, are they old school marxist (still bad but at least respectable) or they are basically like the Catalans and their plan to become indipendent just to turn their land into the world largest refugee center?
Andrew Hughes
* allegedly
Jason Taylor
Bump for more Basque discussion.
The Basque were the first Europeans my ancestors encountered on the American North-East Coast. Pre-Columbus and pre-Vikings, the Mi'kmaw people (alt spellings Micmac, Migmag, Mi'kmaw) traded with Basque fishermen so much that the Mi'kmaq language includes Basque words. The reverse did not happen, however, because the Basque viewed the Mi'kmaq as primitive, and certainly technologically, this is true.
You can watch a brief video about the Euzkaldunak and Mi'kmaw interactions here at this link.
The Basque should be celebrated as the "discoverers" of North America, not Vikings nor Columbus.
Matthew Hernandez
Based ameribro showing that not all of them are mutt shitposters like I once read about a Roman-time source reporting the capturing of two strange red skinned people in the north coast of Hispania, who were almost instantly executed because the locals thought their skin was strange because of some weird illness
Also there is a Texas tribe whose number five and seven are exactly the same as the roman ones if i remember correctly. I will say it's not far strenched that some (very rare) interaction between natives and Iberians happened in some form
Lastly,strangely enough native americans are among the only people have rh- 0 dominant blood, and they share this unique biology with the Basques
Dylan Morales
Reality: - Made up language. - More "progressive" than the rest of Spain. - Very low birth rate. - Already mixed with many "maketos".
Marx wanted them to be exterminated (at least culturally), that's a point for them I suppose.
Daniel Anderson
>went to basque (bilbao) >asked for sangria bartender was ready to kill me had to bail
Interesting, any source about why Marx wanted to shoa'd them? i believe you, as his bro Engles wanted to to that with Hungarians and Polish, but never heard about it
Christopher Scott
>bilbao thanks frank gehry for ruining another city with your autism you fucking faggot
He believed that they wouldn't be able to adapt to the transition into the international commushit revolution because they were too rebellious or just stubborn. Same thing with the Irish.
>mermaids I unironically believe that mermaids existed as so many cultures that never met have them
Evan Foster
They are Athlantians.
Josiah Ortiz
Have a taste of Patxaran if you have the oportunity, it's damn good
Benjamin Sullivan
Sure not like the catalonians, basques are more old school leftist and definetly not such faggots.
They're one of the real cultural identities in the peninsula but sadly over the years those differences have been used by politicians for gibs and the people is loosing sight there
Elijah Torres
Hello I am BASQUE Ask.your answers
Oliver Thompson
I think it's because they often mistake seals for fish-like humanoids
Colton Bailey
In addition, historian Robert Delort of the University of Geneva has discovered evidence that New World fur trade may go back furthe r than the whaling expeditions. Delort found British customs records indicating Basque traders landed heavy volumes of beaver pelts at English ports from 1380 to 1433. Because the pelts were delivered in rolls the way Quebec Indians stored them and becau se Northern European beaver populations were nearly extinct at that time, Delort speculates the source to be the New World.
And now their indipendentists are hardcore Marxists. Rather ironic
Christian Martin
Sailors get horny
Wyatt Howard
Digits don't lie
Jonathan Howard
>transcribes his lisp
Jordan Long
Basque / navarrans are based
Whiter than anything south of Piedmont desu
Caleb Jackson
By their appearance it seems they're one of the "remnant peoples" of pre-indo-european Europe. The only relevant peoples like that today are the Dinarids (exyu countries mostly). Though interestingly enough, Dinarids and Nords share a paternal haplogroup.
>>Unique y-haplogroup a Pretty sure this is bullshit. Most Basques are a subclade of R1b called DF27 (my group), which they also share with Iberians generally.
The impression that I have is that they are not especially unique in Iberia. The jury is still out as to whether or not Vasconic and Aquitanian were language isolates or were related to other Paleoiberian languages in Eastern Iberia. I believe the consensus currently is that there is sufficient similarity between the two to at least reasonably speculate that they were related. If this is the case, then the only thing that makes Basques different is the fact that their language evaded Latinisation whereas the other Iberian languages didn't.
Genetically, my understanding is that the Basques are not atypical. Whether this is due to the fact that the Basques had an enormous role to play in the repopulation and re-Christrianisation efforts during the Reconquista or because they were always just another Iberian population that only became unique as a result of their language surviving, I don't know. I suspect it's the latter since the Basques, in terms of Y-DNA, are not unique at all.
The real question should be why do the Basques have an Indo-European haplogroup with a pre-Indo-European language, in my opinion.
William Myers
how can I know more about this haplogroup thing, dear sir? where to study and things like that. what kind of books, etc
Jaxson Cook
There are a couple of published papers on DF27. A lot of them are behind paywalls, but here's a fairly comprehensive one published in 2015:
One of the things you'll note is that, while the frequency of DF27 is highest in ethnic Basques, it's fairly diffused throughout Iberia and especially north-eastern Iberia. Bear in mind that this is a sub-clade of R1b, so definitely Indo-European.
I'd also add that the whole subject of who the Basques are is somewhat complicated by the vascongado thing. There are a lot of "Basques" who are not Basques, or at least a lot of Basques with non-Basque ancestry.
