Be me

>be me
>pay shitton of taxes
>need small surgery
>long waiting times
>lots of money to pay even if public funded
>retarded clerks and even more retarded doctors
>fuckthisshit.png
>go to private clinic
>excellent work done within a week
>good price to quality of service ratio

Why do public hospitals even exist?

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well you can be like America and have rotten teeth because going to the dentist will cost you all your savings that you made in a year

public healthcare is a failsafe against private clinics getting too greedy. Its also as efficient and services are as good as your bureaucratic apparatus is, so, apparantly, your bureaucratic apparatus isn't that efficient, so change it, its up to you.

>bureaucratic apparatus
>efficient
Pick one. Btw, have you ever heard of insurance? You know, you pay a premium to hedge against future events. It's called responsability. But, if you want to cover everybody, I am ok with the Swiss model.

Fuck off Ivan!

Public healthcare is dying. Thank god
Fuck elders and boomers

>Fuck elders and boomers
This. Fucking leeches.

public healthcare is a problem only in the south you crypto-jew

>public healthcare is a problem only in the south
Ehm, NO. I am from the North East and it sucks even here, unless you are a poor parasite. If you want the best physicians and surgeons you have to go to private clinics. The bad ones are obviously hired only by the government.

dude the argument is not about who is best, the argument is the efficiency of public health. Are you telling me is best to have no public health at all?

He is right
The only problems hospitals have are healty old people thinking they are sick

>efficency
>public
You have to choose.
>Are you telling me is best to have no public health at all?
Yes, I am. As user said, the Swiss model is a good compromise. Universal privatised healthcare.
The problem are the poors that think they have a right.

the poors as the one who pay more taxes. Cut all the taxes to the poors then come back here and talk about taxes you spoiled brat.

>the poors as the one who pay more taxes
Nice joke. How can someone who doesn't have money pay taxes?
>spoiled brat
You truly are a comedian. I pay more taxes than you are probably going to pay in 100 of your lifes, and I am fucking tired of it. The point is, you can help the truly-in-need even with a privatised system. It all lies in the incentives, the right ones.

>Cut all the taxes to the poors
As if you pay something. Moreover, what do you want? Do you want to freeride the system even more? Fuck off 5 stars parasite!

5 star, i knew what kind of movement that was since the beginning. Salvini would be better without those leeches.
Let me guess, your dad has business and hires all the pajeets he can find.
Mongolo, wanting to turn your country in a shithole.

>the poors as the one who pay more taxes
Kek! All the Italians making less than 15k (45%) are only responsible for

Chi paga integralmente le tasse per trattenuta alla fonte (lavoratori dipendenti e pensionati) sostiene e paga gran parte dell’Irpef.

uou can't even comprehend what you read, illiterate.
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>Ma un altro dato è più eclatante: i contribuenti delle prime due fasce di reddito (fino a 7.500 lordi l’anno e da 7.500 a 15 mila euro) sono 18.622.308, pari al 45,19% del totale e pagano solo il 2,62% di tutta l’Irpef (2,82% nel 2016). A questi contribuenti corrispondono 27,331 milioni di abitanti i quali, considerando anche le detrazioni, pagano in media circa 157,9 euro l’anno e, di conseguenza, si suppone anche pochissimi contributi sociali, e quindi con molte probabilità saranno dei futuri pensionati assistiti dalla collettività.
Nessuna contraddizione. Parassiti ora, parassiti da vecchi.

>MIDDLE class
>NOT the poor
You can't even understand your own sources. The poors are a deadweight for the middle class.

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>the poors are a dead weight for the middle class.
nice mentality you have there commie, the poors comprise the 60% of the workforce and you want them wageslaving untill death with no healthcare, no pension. nothing. You are a fucking disgrace to your nation. Neck your self PD voter.

i presumed that anyone before middle class is poor for you.

Insurance is a scam

Brush your teeth and they won't rot out from under you, that makes the dentist much more affordable.

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>nice mentality you have there commie
How is it "commie"? Are you retarded?
>You are a fucking disgrace to your nation.
You confused your persona with mine. There's no pride in parasitism.
>Neck your self PD voter.
Never ever voted left.
>you want them wageslaving untill death with no healthcare, no pension. nothing.
If you contribute 10, why someone else should give you 50?
>the poors comprise the 60% of the workforce
Conflating middle class and poors. Not going to make it.
>anyone before middle class is poor for you
What are they then? (poor < middle class < rich)
Some people don't want to be held accountable for their stupidity and irresponsibilities so thay others must pay them.

Mass shekel extraction, like everything else the government does.

Imagine being this stupid and don't understand that the article simply states that Italians pay a lot of taxes, and NOT that the poor are the majority of taxpayers.