Its perfect sense when you consider
>Stalin order the execution of several generals that could overthrow him.
>Russians were poorly equip for a war. No tanks or guns manufactured
>Germany was vastly superior in weapons and a better trained military
>More and better tanks and air force.
>Defeating Communism would be the crowning jewel of Nazism.
socialists rooting to destroy communism, eh?
More tanks? Better weapons? In 1941 USSR had about 22000 tanks and we're producing a great number of T34s which were superior to the panzer IV
Germany should have dealt with the UK before doing such a thing, And maybe Germany could have allocated more resources towards the eastern front.
Why didn't Japan help? They really fucked Hitler over
Russia had 20k plus tanks in 1941 which was more than the rest of the world combined.
Because Japan was hungry for resources in Asia and spread themselves ridiculously thin throughout China and Southeast Asia. Japan would have been BTFO out of China even within the help of the Allies
for the last fucking time, nigger, it's RACIAL socialism, WELFARE PROGRAMS FOR THE POOR OF THE RACE NOT FUCKING RETARDED MARXISM.
Japan had other stuff to do like, idk, fight the entire United States Navy?
they didn't help because they couldn't.
Japan was already stretched over their capacity in asia, They were in no position to deal with the USSR but then again all Japan needed to do was secure the far eastern ports of USSR and Germany securing Murmansk and a majority of the allied lend lease would never reach the USSR.
they couldn't, because just like FDR, Churchill was anti German.
if those retards didn't blew up our navy the war would've been won by the Germans and the west would be saved.
>Why didn't Japan help? They really fucked Hitler over
It would have been logistically impossible for Japan to invade Siberia. Japan was also hanging onto China by a thread.
>T34
>superior to the Panzer 4
no it wasn't, the only thing that made the T34 dangerous was the number of them, else it's just a piece of crap manufactured rapidly to try and match the superior German machinery.
kek whilst nazis were bumping into walls in they're panzers soviets were crushing them in tiger tanks with tommy guns and p90s
socialism wins again boys
anyways you look at it, if Hitler didn't ordered the 4th of Panzer to go to the Caucasus instead of helping the 7th army go to Stalingrad the entire southern army of the USSR would've been in disroute, allowing the army to build forts and infrastrucure while waiting for Spring to come.
>this time socialism will work
>any day now
>No tanks or guns manufactured
How old are you ?
Absolutely, also Germany lost alot of vital ships in the invasion of Norway which could have been vital if operation sea lion were to happen, The UK realized how dangerous it would be if the French navy would be to them if it ended up in German hands and that was why they sank it in Algeria and such.
Mussolini fucked up by attacking the Balkans. Without him fucking up the invasion of Greece, two things would have changed. Hitler would have been able to invade Russia earlier and he wouldn't have been turned off of the notion of paratroopers. I wager Hitler would have taken Moscow with these things considered and would have been in a good position to force Soviet capitulation.
first, learn actual english you absolute nigger, second, the only thing that made the USSR dangerous was the factories and the number of soldiers.
if Siberia was independant or controlled by the whites during Barbarossa by the end of 1942 the USSR would've collapsed.
RACIAL SOCIALISM YOU FUCKING NIGGER.
yeah, we saved their army's ass and look how they thank us, by sinking our entire navy.
I despise brits, really, those fucking niggers deserve what's happening to them.
Be that as it may Hitlers over-confidence and poor strategic planning...well, just read a history book to find out how it ends
that, and the fact that he didn't need the 4th of Panzer to go to the caucasus as it was merely defended.
>if Siberia was independant or controlled by the whites during Barbarossa by the end of 1942 the USSR would've collapsed
history revisionism in a nutshell
Japanese didnt have any land force projection. Their best bet was contesting the US in the pacific. They didnt have train tracks or tanks that where good, and they where at war with China and Australia.
>More and better tanks
The Soviet Union had more thanks than the rest of the world combined at the start and at the end of the war. youtube.com
The Soviet tanks were also better designed, but poorly built. One KV2 tank held off an entire German attack - warhistoryonline.com
History written by Jews? No thanks. Not me...
>Stalin order the execution of several generals that could overthrow him.
Burger fucking education:
en.wikipedia.org
>I despise brits, really, those fucking niggers deserve what's happening to them.
Absolutely, Also the UK declared war on Finland in 1941 because Finland declared war and joined the German invasion of the USSR, Why did Finland declare war? because Finland wanted to retake the stolen territories from the year before.
UK was lucky there was no land border with Germany or else it would have been crushed within a day or two by Germany.
>>More and better tanks and air force.
Jesus, more of fucking burger education.
en.wikipedia.org
Germans tanks could only look at those during first months of war.
the only thing that made the soviets win the civil war was because they controlled Ukraine thus they controlled the food supplies.
1km of water is the only thing that has allowed Britain to exist to this day.
>declaring war on a country that was attacked first to retake its territories
brits are niggers.
Hitler made some brilliant decisions, mostly good decisions and some mistakes. He was just in an unwinnable war.
The only way I could see Hitler having won the war was if he somehow allied with the USSR.
or put an all out offensive on Stalingrad with the 4th of Panzers, disrouting the entire southern army of the USSR and practically winning the war.
Russian tanks were probably better until the introduction of the longer barreled and up-armored Panzer IV's became a widespread thing. Neither side actually had complete dominance of the skies at any point of the war mostly because the massive amount of ground they had to cover made it impossible for anything but local attacks. But Germany is not vastly superior in arms, maybe in training but certainly not arms.
>was if he somehow allied with the USSR.
He LITERALLY did you total retard. Molotov-Ribbentrop pact was a thing. The two countries worked together to develop military equipment and doctrine.
How can you know so little about this war and think you have the right to comment about anything?
Germany came within a cunt hair of defeating the soviets in 41 and 42, but hitler didn’t listen to his generals and made dumb decisions
HE HAD TO.
Cause, you know, he had some pretty good tanks.
HAD TO
>Japan needed to do was secure the far eastern ports of USSR and Germany securing Murmansk and a majority of the allied lend lease would never reach the USSR
this is the real redpill
also, Hitler ordered the Panzer army that attacked through the Ardennes to stop the advance to make the high command shut the fuck up, if he ordered all out offensive the entire British army would've been killed.
>muh generals
Hitler usually let the high command make decisions because he wasn't a cunt, but he had to order things himself sometimes to make them stfu.
there was even a discussion about the USSR joining the Axis.
>Neither side actually had complete dominance of the skies at any point of the war
The opening days of Operation Barbarossa allowed the Germans to knock out nearly the entire Soviet air-force while it was still grounded. The Germans attacked and bombed airstrips, resulting in total air superiority. Read a fucking book you brainlet.
Every single thing posted by an American in this tread is making me angry.
yes, but I understand why Hirohito didn't do it, he wanted to stay careful about his front with China.
I don't blame the Japanese, honestly.
as the Royal Air Force.
Well I mean sometimes Hitler made better decisions than his generals. From a strategic perspective it would have been better to move South for the first year, then center the second year, like he wanted. But he eventually caved to his generals pressure. Fall Blau would have certainly succeeded in 1941, seeing as they almost pulled it off in 1942 with much more limited resources and time. So all in all, seize their food and oil in first year, smash their morale and logistics in second year buy taking their major cities.
But why do that shit when you can bomb America instead? What could go wrong?
>there was even a discussion about the USSR joining the Axis.
Of course there wasn't, but that does not change the fact that the two countries had non-aggression pacts and collaborated in military matters.
The situation in the Soviet union meant that they were in no position to launch an offensive for years.
>Stalin order the execution of several generals that could overthrow him.
lol what?
It doesn't matter if they can just replace the airforce within a week. They destroyed about 4,000 aircraft in the opening stages of the Eastern front, but looking at production numbers (40,241 of all types) in 1944 (wrong year but it suits the point regardless) I doubt they felt a little more than a scratch.
>german victory 101 :
launch an all out offensive in the south and middle only, order finland to get its territories back, go to Stalingrad, disroute the southern front, secure the caucasus, resupply until Spring, then all out offensive in the North to cut off the Russians in Leningrad with the finns, then after securing the front and relocating in the north, middle and south, all out offensive.
there was a discussion you brainlet.
Also lets just assume Sweden and the Nordics were all in the axis, The Swedish navy at the time was very strong and could have helped Germany fight back the Royal navy certainly not win but atleast work their numbers down, And iam sure a naval invasion of the Kola peninusla and Murmansk definantly would have been possible in such a scenario.
gotta admit that on this the Japs were a little retarded, but I'm skeptic about Pearl Harbor being a japanese attack, they weren't retarded enough to not destroy the oil tanks and repair centers.
I think it was staged by FDR to attack Germany too.
>No tanks or guns manufactured
This one is complete bullshit, Russia was always about mass producing arms. They had a shitload of kv-1/2 but they were obsolete compared to German panzer line.
and with the French navy Germany could've invaded the USA in a scenario where they joined the war after that Britain was defeated, although unlikely.
exactly.
Slavs and mongoloids are stupid, id have fought to keep them out of my country as well
Japans plan at pearl harbour wasn't all too bad, problem was that they should have targeted Aircraft carriers and not battleships and it would have made a bigger impact on the US navy.
What propelled the US into a global power was actually the FDR two ocean navy act, making the US able to project force in both the Atlantic and the Pacific.
>Laughs in 2x 156mm cannons, a 76.2mm cannon, 2x 44mm cannons, 4x 12mm autocannons, and a fucking Katyusha launcher
>not remembering how the Russian winter and terrain stopped a Napoleons ill equipped army in its tracks.
>not remembering that having 2 fronts is what assraped Germany in WWI
>repeats history by doing the same exact things.
Hitler was a fucking retard.
lmfao latvian boomer
that's why I think it was staged, the Japs would've known better than just fucking 20 shitty and obsolete ships.
Probably but an invasion of the US would have been extremely risky, Even riskier than an invasion of USSR.
The biggest game changer would have been who gets nukes first then yeah Germany could invade the NA region but that all came down to them getting nukes first.
Not true at all. The Soviets were always not great in air, this is why German aces shot down hundreds of their planes single handedly. After the war the Soviets had total domination on land, but the British and American air forces dominated the sky. Throughout 1941 the Germans had total air superiority.
I recommend this book.
that's what killed Germany in the end, the defeat of Germany can only be blamed on the brits, those retards shouldn't have sunk our navy.
It was the logical course of action but he should've waited AFTER he was done with the rest of Europe/US.
Hitler literally had no choice
>Operation Barbarossa Was A Preventive Attack
Exactly retard, it was a war of attrition and more tanks is better than few, and anyways the German tanks were not suited to the rough terrain and had gear box problems that made them break after like 200 kilometers whilst if the soviet tanks broke after 200 kilometers they could just get another one
Well, the attack was pretty and effective given what people thought about naval warfare at the time. No one really knew how unnecessary battleships were, so I doubt FDR, price of shit though he may have been, would have crippled his fleet like that when a far less damaging false flag would have done the trick. I do believe it was just a serious miscalculation by the Japanese.
Not sure about it being staged it made perfect sense for the Japanese leadership to destroy the main fighting force of the US pacific navy so they could not intervene while Japan tries to achieve Asian dominance.
In hindsight it did more damage than it helped Japan.
Well the thing with the German nuclear program is that half the scientists who would have been working on it are laying face down in a muddy trench somewhere on the Soviet front trying not to get ass-blasted by a 203mm artillery piece.
yes, but as I said, the scenario in which the US joined when the UK was annihilated is unlikely, because the American people didn't want to fight a war they thought was not possible to win.
Yep or they were already in the US working on the Manhattan project.
Oh, I agree. The plan for the attack was good. Carrying out the attack was fucking retarded though.
>Hitler was a fucking retard.
No, you are
>thinking Hitler could just ignore the fact that USSR was preparing to steamroll through Europe, and that would cause them to magically not attempt to do so
Read that ^^
And how do you expect the Germans to hold a front the of this size with the amount of men at hand? In the 1942 offensives the Soviets simply went around German schwerpunkts surrounding them. On the defence the Germans didn't stand a chance as occupying a country of this size with their population, which was already stretched was simply not feasible.
Also talking about hypothetical scenarios is pointless.
Absolutely, If the UK were to fall in 1940 the US would have completely ignored the European theatre as there would be no way for the US to do anything of significance here if the UK fell.
they destroyed only 20 obsolete destroyers, I think it was staged.
>Russians were poorly equip for a war. No tanks or guns manufactured
OP - You're a fucking moron. Do us a favor and neck yourself. The Soviet had more and better tanks than the krauts. EVER HEAR OF THE T-34 NIGGER?
exactly.
I looked at your posts and you know a lot, svenbro, keep up the good posts !
>better tanks
>t34
shut the fuck up mutt, kys please.
Exactly, Sure i can see why they feared US intervention in the pacific as they were going to attack the US puppet state of Phillipines but they should have tried avoid a conflict for as long as they could as the US were in a position of isolating itself, heck iam not even sure the US would have intervened if Japan took out the Phillipines fast enough.
they should've bypassed the Phillinpines entirely, imo.
Phillipines, sorry
Also several battleships which were believed to be important. Of course, it turns out they weren't, but aircraft carriers and Submarines were not yet known powerhouses.
Haha thanks you know alot aswell, Allthough sure i know some but this is what i like to read about in my spare time.
True in some respects, the first models of Panther were especially guilty of this. They got much better over time but when they first came out they could barely run. They're fairly well suited to rough terrain though. For example, the ground pressure of a T34-85 is 0.74kg/cm^2 while a Panzer IV is at 0.77kg/cm^2 and a Panther at 0.88kg/cm^2. These are all quite resonable actually, compared to a Sherman or something which is supposedly well known for its mobility at 0.96. So inability for German tanks to operate in certain conditions where the T34 could simply isn't true.
Didn't Stalin want to be friends with Hitler to destroy the Anglo subhumans, and got betrayed?
Definantly instead Japan should have gone full force taking Malaysia and Indonesia, The main reason why Japan went for Phillipines was that they wanted it to base its operation in SEA, There wasn't really any resources that they needed in the Phillipines.
(((believed to be important))).
yeah, 85% staged imo.
no problem fren, keep up the good posts, keep the board clean.
first, please show your flag, second, there was a meeting about the conditions in which the USSR could've joined the Axis, but Hitler secretely said no.
absolutely.
Do you really think it would have been a good idea to leave a country which could be used a staging area this close to the Japanese mainland.
Also don't forget the aid that the Americans were sending to the Chinese at this point in time, and the Philippines was key in this.
German tanks were the best in the war in everything but reliability. The tiger 1 was plagued by breakdown because it was over engineered and had too many components. The Russian t-34 was much weaker than the tiger line but they had far more numbers of them. Soviets often just rammed tigers with t-34 to disable them since the 76mm gun on the base -t-34 couldn't penetrate the tigers armor (only some spots on the back). Eventually the t-34 got an upgrade version with a 85mm gun the t-34-85. This gun faired better but still had some trouble.
German armor wasn't matched until soviets introduced the IS line, this line had huge guns that made quick work of some of German older tanks and the tiger 1 but the tiger 2 and the jagdtiger still gave it a lot of trouble.
The IS-3 was the tank that finally gave German armor a fair fight but it came almost too late for the war. Only making it in time to participate in the battle of Berlin.
instead of invading they could've just relocate some of their spare ships to blockade the supply, the US would not be able to do shit.
>>Russians were poorly equip for a war. No tanks or guns manufactured
>>More and better tanks and air force.
Fuck of commie faggot
I hate arguments about who had superior what, but the American fleet was no joke and a blockade was not a certainty.
if we look at history the only real danger to the American ships were kamikaze attacks after the Battle of Midway.
No but atleast temporarely so full supply from Malaysia and Indonesia was established so the Japanese navy operated at full capacity, Also attacking the British Raj stretched Japenese troops even more which i don't agree with that they should have done.
>German tanks were the best in the war in everything but reliability. The tiger 1 was plagued by breakdown because it was over engineered and had too many components.
I really hate it when people do this, they saw this once in a documentary, or saw someone else say this and parrot it indefinitely. You know nothing about German tanks, so why pretend you do? if you did you could provide an original argument.
could you please show your flag ?
yes, but my point is that they could've just prevented Midway from happening.
Not too mention their performance in Finland really gave credence to Hitler's quote "We need only to kick the door in and the whole rotten structure will come tumbling down"
If only the USSR was destroyed the world would be a much better place without the Russian cancer.
>yes, but my point is that they could've just prevented Midway from happening.
And then what? The Americans were building an unimaginable amount of ships, so a decisive battle was needed. If the Japanese waited then then in a few years they could not come even close to the American superiority in the sea.
Do you really think the Japanese could compete with power of production over years?
In terms of operational availability the Tiger I had above average reliability, especially for its weight.
no, but by preventing Midway and blockading the Chinese supplies they could've won their war and the allies wouldn't be able to beat them.
>No but atleast temporarely so full supply from Malaysia and Indonesia was established so the Japanese navy operated at full capacity
What?
None of those are the real reasons they attacked the Soviet Union. Germany was running out of oil rapidly, so they had to expand east to the Russian oilfields in the Caucasus. They had the Molotov-Ribbentrop thing going on but the future of that agreement was uncertain.