THIS IS AN OPEN CALL FOR ANYONE TO DEBATE ME ON THE ISSUE OF WHITE NATIONALISM.
I AM FOR IT AND WOULD LIKE JUST ONE user TO ACTUALLY EXPLAIN TO ME WHY SELF-DETERMINATION IS 'EVIL' SO LONG AS WHITE PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO DO IT.
IT SEEMS LIKE NONE OF YOU ARE CAPABLE OF HONEST DEBATE. YOU TREAT YOUR ASSERTIONS AS AXIOMS.
FIGHT ME FAGGOTS ONLINE NOT IRL
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"White people" is not a group which is cohesive enough for it's own nation.
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>Arguing with useful idiots
Kek, good luck senpai, try not to lose your mind
>"White people" is not a group which is cohesive enough for it's own nation.
this has to be a joke. If not, I invite you to demonstrate equal genetic distance between, let's say, the Irish and the Slavs and then the Irish and Australian aborigines.
Define what your movement stands for and under what philosophy would it unite historical enemies like poles and germans or french and brits
Expanding the potential genetic variety within a population makes it less cohesive, not more. What are you talking about?
I frequently have this debate with leftists.
And they frequently say what you said.
"White" is not a cohesive enough group to form a nation.
Well, let's consider both a past & modern example.
Past; The US was founded by European men, for European men of good character.
So to was Australia & New Zealand.
All founded by specific ethnic European people's that went on to accept immigration from other European ethnic countries.
Modern; Well, the answer here is the US prison system. Leftists believe that in a collapse people will unite along class lines.
Well, in the federal prison system you have broke ass poor people of all races confined by a common enemy.
Do they organize themselves along class lines?
Nope, they self-segragate themselves along racial lines... because it's the default position.
WHAT THE FUCK RACIST YOU ARE A NAZI IF YOU DONT WANT TO LIVE WITH PEOPLE THAT ARENT LIKE YOU! YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO DETERMINE WHO YOU GET TO LIVE WITH!
>Expanding the potential genetic variety within a population makes it less cohesive, not more.
holy fuck, check this supergenius out. i feel like I died and the current internet is like a form of hell
USA was founded by WASP freemasons who hated your people and believed that you were racially inferior
COMMUNISM FOR WHITES ONLY IS STILL COMMUNISM.
>The U.S. should a single body
It's called the United States of America for a reason, dumbass. Federal overreach in state-level affairs is one of the biggest problems we have.
Same with Australia and NZ. It's all brits, if I recall.
It's obvious that race is a divisor. What is not obvious (because it is not true) is that race is the only divisor. In all practical examples, white people do choose other whites over niggers, but they differentiate between whites of their own country and whites of others when that is an option, too.
You didn't answer the question, dumbass. What do aboriginals have to do with the fact that Irish and Russians frequently don't get along?
>What do aboriginals have to do with the fact that Irish and Russians frequently don't get along?
I refuse to give a serious reply to such a blatantly pleb-tier troll attempt. Lurk more, unless you're not trolling, in which case kindly kill yourself sir
SELF-DETERMINATION REGARDS THE INDIVIDUAL. WHITE NATIONALISM IS ANOTHER FORM OF SOCIALISM. YOU MIGHT NOT LIKE IT BUT IT'S TRUE. IF YOU'RE REALLY ABOUT SELF-DETERMINATION YOU WOULD PREFER AN INDEPENDENT BLACK VS A METH-ADDICTED DRAG-ON-SOCIETY WHITE. RACIAL BIAS MAKES IT IMPOSSIBLE FOR THE WHITE NATIONALIST TO ACCEPT THE REALITY OF THAT VALUE. YOU SHOULD JUST ACCEPT THAT YOU CAN'T MAKE IT ON YOUR OWN AND ASK FOR HELP.
You dirty fucker asking for a
>MassDebate
Then why did they let us in by the millions?
Also if you look at Ellis island records of Irish immigrants, they labelled us white.
That's a fair point and Europe demonstrate the fact that mere whiteness isn't enough to form a political entity. But in the United-State, there is arguably more ground to form racially distinct countries along categories such as "whites", "blacks" and so on.
It all depends on context.
>Define what your movement stands for and under what philosophy would it unite historical enemies like poles and germans or french and brits
White nationalism is simply the desire for a nation by and for white people. There are many reasons for this desire, but the most important one is that we merely wish to be left alone and pursue our interests free from the constant harassment we receive in our home nations. Such 'historical enemies' have come together swimmingly in the United States, so there is no reason to think that such a juxtaposition couldn't happen again.
The standard response here is that demographic and social policies deal with aggregate and not with individuals. Aggregate effects can't be accurately described in terms of individual examples.
>"white" nationalist
>loves Asian women
explain this.
I went back and read what you posted again to see if I had missed something. You want me to demonstrate equal genetic distance between the Irish and Slavs, and the Irish and Australian aborigines. That is asinine and retarded, and since you refuse to explain why you think otherwise, I can only guess at the reason for it. Obviously, the genetic distance is greater between the Irish and the aborigine than the Irish and the Slav. That is no proof at all that the Irish and the Slav are similar enough that they can be placed together without issue, only that, if the Irish and the Slav do not get along, the Irish and the aborigine will not, either.
You didn't answer a single point in my post.
That's quite telling.
Hello leftist, don't worry, you're not the 1st to be schooled & shan't be the last
those are just Jow Forums incel refugees shitposting on our white nationalist board
>Irish & Slav don't get along
Literally the 1st time I've ever heard this
I support you user
I wish i knew how to network and meetup. living east coast is hard
>white nationalism
this has never been a real thing. Horseshoe idiots just sponged onto it like other meaningless subjective turns such as "toxic masculinity"
bump
>strife is in our nature
Consider selective pressures over "recent" human history. This also led to the formation of general phenotypical "archetypes" of our species which occur at a distinct rate between different populations. I am tired, just throwing ideas in here ...
time for debates is over time to act is now
Ancient "Hyperborean" genetic overlap between European and certain Asian genetic groups. Remnant of the Central Eurasic steppes.
>That is asinine and retarded
No it isn't. I was simply and efficiently demonstrating that there are, in fact, greater genetic similarities between Slavic people and the Irish than between the Irish and the Australian aborigine. If there were no closer similarities then it would prove that the white race does not exist. But the Slavs and the Irish are more similar than the Irish and aboriginal and this proves through inductive logic that there is a basis for the existence of the white race. Unless you can prove otherwise.
It's not real. Nation is a subset of race. French and British are two different nations.
White nationalism is as larpy and silly as pan african movement or pan arabism or panasianism. Or are Japan, china, and korea all the same nation?
White people deserve to have human rights.
White people have a human right to exist.
White people have a human right to self-determination.
This.
>I wish i knew how to network and meetup
Nice try officer
trying a little bit too hard there don't you think?
God fuck the jew nited states, of course white people are the first ones to turn on their own to suck more jew dick
Watch it ... that glow will give you a nasty radiation burn.
Anti-Whites have no trouble telling what White people when they are talking about reparations for slavery or blaming White people for all the evil things in the world.
Denying the existence of a group is called "dehumanisation" and it is one of the ten stages of genocide.
>this has never been a real thing.
You're out of your goddam mind. The United States was a perfect example of a white nationalist nation. We united disparate European peoples into a nation more conductive to our interests than the ones they came from. I'd like to see you try to make the existence of injun enemy combatants or a few nigger slaves owned by kikes as being any kind of disqualifying factor for the status of early American white nationalism. I invite you to consider the status of citizenship for either the feather niggers or the nigger niggers.
>telling what White people
identifying what White people are
I dare you to take this debate to a public space. Put your name and face on it otherwise your ideas are nothing more than harmless larping
honestly the self-determination angle is based and very historically precedented
hey, you 8ch refugees. calm down and take a break. you must earn your debates here at first.
But whites, niggers, kikes, and spics shoved into the same nation is supposed to work?
like a pack of kike masons are going to beat the spirit of white race, the highest biological evolutionary incarnation to spore over a timespan of billions of years.
they can conspire, kill, convert, corrupt all they want, amassing a massive legion of white-trash mongoloids who kneel to their cult, but there are still massive swathes of healthy, beautiful, well-educated white communities on this planet, and there will be 10 years from now. and 20 years. and 30 years. and when the technology arises to start terraforming planets...and/or building planets from scratch...
sorry kikes an masonniggers, you'll always be delusional lower-human scum
>You didn't answer a single point in my post
You said that the U.S. was made entirely by European men of various nationalities. You are wrong. When the U.S. was founded, it was almost entirely British. By the time the demographics had shifted away from this, states had begun to form separate cultures. The same goes for NZ and Australia.
Of course there's a white race, you dumbass. It just isn't defined enough to constitute it's own nation. "Being white" does not come with a sufficiently low level of variation that one can use it to form a nation. There is too much difference within the group.
No, obviously not. If I'm saying that white people are too varied to form a unified state without some sort of federation, do you think that I would say the opposite about whites and niggers?
That's an honest reply, but what he's saying is going over your head because you're a fucking retard.
You’re either caucasian, mongolian or negroid. White is not a real race. There are pale mongols out there and they’re obviously not the same as a European.
>there are only 3 races
why 3
also, holy shit, someone's got to tell the founding fathers about this
I agree.
White in my mind goes to the 14 words.
Those 14 words are all about Family.
Marxists have determined an attack on family would succeed so they retermed it patriarchy.
Bottomline no society civilization or form of government can ever be stronger than the families that support it.
The fascist vs Marxist
Capitalist vs socialist
Democracy vs communism
All those debates are shit.
The only winner will be the one who derives its power from strong families.
And any kike who derides the family who denigrates mother and father and their roles. Who degenerate our souls through media overload. These are the only real enemy.
No go back & read what I posted again.
I said the although the US & AUZ & NZ were founded by specific European ethnicities, they still allowed other European ethnicities (actually encouraged, in US this policy didn't change until 1960s & even later in AUZ & NZ)
So you still haven't answered me.
We've literally had cohesive societies of mixed European ethnicities for 100s of years.
Nobody stops and says "Whites are not a real race" when the Democrats say that all Whites owe reparations for slavery.
Nobody asks "What is White?" or denies that the White race exists when the democrats are blaming all White people for the el Paso shooting.
Race is a social construct. You have similar traits to every "race" on the planet. There is no reason to promote racism, especially in a flourishing diverse nation.
>Put your name and face on it otherwise your ideas are nothing more than harmless larping
I'd say 'nice try' but it wasn't, really. It was a very disappointing try and I'm afraid I have to give you a stormy cloud sticker. It actually indicates the insanity of people such as yourself. You cannot debate the issue using logic or reason and slip into either vague or direct threats whenever challenged. I wonder how it feels to be so completely bereft of such endemic human attributes as critical thinking or even common decency. You are oppressors and you don't even try to deny it. You are even worse than the Nazis in Germany because you think you are radically different but you are consumed by some kind of irrational hatred and this hatred justifies your suppression, oppression, and physical attacks against people who have done nothing to you other than dare to assert their right to exist. At least the Nazis had a reason for hating the Jews. But all you have are some half-formed ghosthacked notions that sort of create a false equivalence between those naughty nazis and us wn's in the current year in America. You are literally oppressing us and attacking us based on our race and you ludicrously claim to be anti-racist. It would be fascinating if it wasn't so disturbing.
>promote racism
racism is a social construct and doesn't exist
the same as me
but here another one thing. you all here put all slavs on the same scale, like everyone. but here the thing. even between Polacks and Russians there is huge diference, not as much as geneticly but colturaly and in the way of mentality and civilisation and willing to rule and conqest, to sacrifice and all shit. and if we take Russians and for example the Balkans, well. the same way you can call Britts as Germans because Anglos and Saxons were German tribes. Its just stupid.
user. It's fine to be white. In fact it's great. But the problem is your focusing on the wrong thing if your biggest problem is your skin color.
There's a lot more to life.
>EXPLAIN TO ME WHY SELF-DETERMINATION IS 'EVIL' SO LONG AS WHITE PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO DO IT
Because wh*tes are genocidal animals
>"White people" is not a group which is cohesive enough for it's own nation.
yet LatinX bullshit is? It's cohesive enough in the US.
If race is a social construct, then why are we told that we need more "racial diversity"?
How retards misunderstand words is irrelevant to reality. Sure there is a race. This is obvious. There is no racial nationalism though. What language will our white nation speak? Who's culture? White nationalism is just imperialism disguised. I agree that western civilization should have tight bonds of brotherhood between our nations but to suggest we are all the same nation is insane. It's a globalist universalist position and will lead to brother wars.
Support the sovereignty of your nation, drive out the invaders, prioritize your own nation and then your civilizational cousins. You do not understand the concept of a nation if you are pushing racial nationalism and need to stop and reevaluate.
Yes, I'm retarded because I can design an empirical experiment and have some nitwits fail to understand the point.
>is your skin color
identity =/= skin color.
double standards
There is no debate, white people deserve their own countries. This doesnt mean we cant have a small amount of minorities. All we have to do is end brown immigration and we can fix the issue. Too bad commies and dems want to genocide all whites. To even pretend its ok to breed out whites and that breeding us out isnt genocide is just foolishness. The boomers doesnt see the issue, but any white politically active person sees this and we have the voting power to make waves,
the time for debate IS OVER
because thats the only way brainlets can understand it, from other brainlets
No, Latinos are split into many nations for a reason, too. That was the point behind having states here, as well.
You need to consider what your experiment actually proves. If the distance between Slavs and Irish is less than abbos and Irish, then that implies that there is a white race. However, what you are arguing is not just that there is a white race, but also that members within that race have more ability to cooperate within that race than within any other large group. That second part is not yet proven. It is proven that races stick together against other races, and that therefore people are bound together by their race in some capacity greater than class or some other classifications, but not that that is the strongest one known.
You are arguing for a white nation. I am arguing for white nationS.
>White nationalism is just imperialism disguised.
Hey, that's a new one. Imperialism, huh. An empire of what? Empire, by definition, means a vast and diverse political body. Who ever claimed to wanting a vast tract of land? And how can you justify the pattern of combing people from many nations into one as being equivalent with one nation acquiring more nations into its political body?
Define white identity
If "race is a social construct" then why do we have affirmative action programs?
Why is race a "social construct" when White people talk about their issues and then suddenly stop being a "social construct" whenever people like you tell all White people that they owe all black people money for slavery?
Too many assumptions in your post to take serious.
You know that race exists, and everyone in this thread knows that you know that race exists.
Everyone in this thread also knows that you would never go up to a black man, or a yellow man, and tell him that "race is a social construct". You're just anti-White.
It consists mostly of ethnicity, western culture, western history and religion but there are further concepts that I'd add as well (read jung on racial memory & wotan)
Define white?
When did you realize that white is a meme that a nation needs something deeper than skin color to build on?
Would you tolerate french whites in your color based ethnostate?
>However, what you are arguing is not just that there is a white race, but also that members within that race have more ability to cooperate within that race than within any other large group.
Here we go again, you faggots just love to make assertions for me and claim I made them. I did no such thing as say anything about cooperation. I merely proved through inductive logic that there is a scientific basis for the white race. If there were not, aborigines and Irish would be equal or lesser genetic distance than the Irish and the Slavs. I sort of feel like many of you think you are much smarter than you actually are.
> It is proven that races stick together against other races, and that therefore people are bound together by their race in some capacity greater than class or some other classifications, but not that that is the strongest one known.
What the fuck is this shit. I'm simply saying that there is a genetic basis for the existence of the white race. Stop putting words in my mouth. This isn't that complicated. I want a nation specifically for white people from any nation. This does not even require genetic tests, you can usually tell by looking at someone if they are white or not. Is their skin white? This might be a radical thought, but there could exist a correlation between someone who has white skin and a white person. Kinda edgy but it might just work. And you are not arguing for white nation[s] at all, you are saying nothing other than nonsense that is completely divorced from any of my assertions and I think you should prematurely end your own life using a combination of gravity and muscular exertion: jump off a tall building and finally be free.
Really strange statement, wish you the best.
White. Noun.
The people that the Democrats are currently blaming for the el Paso shooting.
It's funny how people like you know who White people when you are blaming them for things.
>"White people" is not a group which is cohesive enough for it's own nation.
>The damage is done just give up goy.
Fuck off.
Because the Jews in your bible and the white Good Goys you see on TV are against YOU having any say in how things are run. (Also, Antifa and every other white self hating idiot needs to be slaughtered but not a single white man is brave enough to do that.)
Define the exact wavelengths of the color red. Dont Google it, get a bunch of artists together and make them to independently decide their own exact RGB values for red and if there isnt a consensus, colors arent real. That's effectively what you're saying. Something doesnt have to be exactly defined for it to exist. For heaven's sake species isnt a clearly defined concept, most use the "can it breed?" Standard but that's a guideline not a rule. Canis lupis and canis latrans can reproduce fertile offspring. What is so complicated about the concept of white that leftists cant grasp it? "White" is a nebulous term that encompasses the european peoples, general within the scope of the new world where more distinct ethnic lines have been blurred. To me, white nationalism is as simple as holding the my interests and the interests of people most closely related to me, first. It goes my children/wife>my brothers sister and parents>my cousins/aunts/uncles>extended family>ethnic group (NW euro mutt) > race > species. In the new world where lots of ethnic mixing occurs, white is dummy for ethnic group since it is hard to determine. Someone earlier said something about irish and slavs. In America it isnt easy to immediately identify at a higher "resolution" of the genetic similarity, and so we lump each other into white/black/asian/arav/Indio, but upon discovery, Irish will certainly have a higher affinity, based upon the shared genetic history. Preferring your own ethnic group does not invalidate preferring your own race, as one is within the other, and satisfies the rules of carrying about those closest to you. Extend pic related past the species level. To sub species/race, and then ethnic group. The closer our branches, the more I like you.
If the people define themselves as a single nation and manage to hold that definition and breed amongst themselves for several generations until they shared common blood, language, and culture they could be considered a nation. This would work and is how new nations are created. But let's take a look at Canada for example, Quebec has its own identity and is its own nation, Ontario has its own identity and nation, and western Canada has its own identity and nation. All of them are white, all of their interests conflict, none of them are going to give up their interests to be dominated by the others interests. Its an empire, and not you or anyone else is going to magically turn them into a single nation as that would be the destruction of all 3 current nations in order to create a fourth new one. The western Canada will not continue to tolerate a situation where Ontario or Quebec can dictate policy to them with their much larger voting blocks, Western Canada becomes a Bectarian empire colony at that point, it's not sovereignty no matter what anyone might call it, and ensures a regional identity is maintained. Quebec doesn't speak the same language and views all attempts to enforce a standard of communication as destruction of their empire. They become a conquered minority and the rest of Canada is not going to assimilate to Quebec. Most current states are empires. Spain has catalonia for example.
It's really not something that is up for debate, the people themselves do not see themselves as a single nation and never will as that would be the destruction of their own peoples to make a new people and it will never be possible to give each people a fair deal in this merger. Larger or more powerful nations will get better deals than smaller nations who would be subsumed without impacting much at all.
A good example is casadia. If british columbia allows cascadia to form they will lose their sovereignty to the more populous oregan and washington.
we are under attack, prunes and slides...... heads up
A FBI intelligence assessment defined a White nationalist as follows:
"To be a white nationalist is to be pro-white. The domestic white nationalist movement seeks to promote, honor, and defend the white race. They believe the white race is under attack from Jewish interests that dominate the government (referred to as the Zionist Occupied Government, or ZOG), the media, banking, and entertainment industries and act to the detriment of the white race. White nationalists view multiculturalism, diversity, and illegal immigration as direct assaults on the white race and race-mixing as akin to white genocide. They hope to appeal to mainstream whites, believing that the majority of white people do not understand the imminent or long-term threat to their race. Many contend that a race war, often referred to as RAHOWA, or Racial Holy War, is a certainty”
If you have a problem with any of this, I'd love to hear your argument.
Empire is merely a state with multiple nations within it. The nations will naturally have competing interests and usually one nation will be the supermajority and use that to keep the others in line.
Why not? America was cohesive enough as a white nation before civil rights and the immigration act of 1965.
>Define white?
Um, people from white ancestry? Like pic related? Like maybe 'white' means descended from any of the peoples indigenous to Europe? You fuckers are nuts, thinking you can disprove the existence of the white race.
spot on nice job fbi
The ideals and principles that this country has enshrined work against this. It’s a losing battle for white nationalism. Of course the idea will never be eradicated but laws and institutions are already in place to prevent the US from becoming a white ethno-state.
Honestly, I believe Western civilization and the achievements of the “white race” is vastly superior to that of any other. While the western world was busy building civilized societies, the rest of the world was squatting in the mud.
But these achievements are what opened the door to a future of absorption and contamination by the genes and cultures of the rest of the world.
Look at what’s happening: America takes anyone from anywhere and grants them citizenship and treats them equally by law. This will continue to slowly dilute the Caucasian dominance in America.
All I’m saying is that everything that made the white race (specifically America) dominant essentially becomes its undoing in the future: slavery, colonialism, the high ideals of freedom of speech and religion, history of immigration, secularism etc.
We are living in the natural consequences of the western world’s great accomplishments and it’s an inevitable fate that time will exact
Call it Jewish globalism or what you may but it’s the ideals of the founding fathers that set us down this path
the jewish smoke screen is bullshit, if anything the jews are entertaining, hence why so many of them are in that field,
don't mind multiculturalism, or diversity, have a problem with illegals though, if i can't break the law, why can they? there have been white skinned people on this planet since before we can even prove it, and we'll be here long into the future..... hate to break it to you, we do lose sometimes, but not very often when it matters.
Then your assertion is also asinine. If you really are simply arguing that white people should be allowed to try and form their own nation, then that is pointless, not only as an assertion, but as something you want to debate here, because nobody would argue against the option. That is why I assumed that you were saying something more profound, involving it potentially being better than regular nationalism.
I agree that all of those things are true, but it seems to be that white nationalism is more than just liking white people. Like it involves some sort of nationalism based on being white or something.
This is also a fuckhuge country in terms of land area, and has been for centuries.
>Cohesive
>Fought a civil war over states rights and sovereignty that turned america into a proper empire.
The only reason the immigration act of 1965 even happened was because The United States was already starting to fracture. The immigration act of 1965 is a symptom not a root cause.
No they labelled you white ethnic, potatonigger. You were only let in for cheap labour, like the italians. You have overstayed you welcome for almost a century now.
and the media cherry picking what "violence" they want to report on, is complete bullshit as well, homicide rates, and most metrics of societal measurement, if presented without a race, 99% of the population would choose the "white" results
You already said those 3 province's are white with differing agendas & goals.
Thus they are not united despite being white & of same genetic lineage.
I posit that changes when large minority groups of different genetic lineage are introduced to those environments & begin to compete for power & limited resources.
>breed amongst themselves for several generations until they shared common blood, language, and culture they could be considered a nation.
If this is necessary for the status of 'nation', how can multi cultural nations exist? Seems spurious. Just like the rest of your rhetoric. We have several examples of many white peoples coming together to forge a new nation and you act as if it's inconceivable. You are arguing that the distinctions between groups of people make them separate. Congrats, you notice things. Unfortunately you fail to create a cogent argument.
It's just /leftypol/ immigrating
there was some mod pruning as well.... and the refresh rate is faaast
1. Someones gotta do the grunt work
2. Some white will end up with an Oriental Chick and bail on the idea.
3. The vast amount of cucks who don't like it.
4. Socilaisms proclivity to infiltrate and turn it into socialism and Eugenics which leads to genetic experimentation.
5. The major check against this is a religion which repudiates the idea.
6. Political ideas are forced into extremism through intellectualism, this one has proven to be the most dangerous for its potency.