How come tradfags are some of the biggest supporters of feminism? Ever noticed how they autistically screech whenever anyone suggests to rein in white women?
>HURR DURR YOU GOTTA MAN UP B..BUT DON'T DARE STAND UP TO THEM MGTOW INCEL KIKE! REEEEE!!!
Wtf is wrong with tradfags and why do they sperg over the idea of using a firm hand to keep our women in check when warranted?
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because they want women who don't behave horribly because they want to be good women. Traditional women.
Putting a thot into a thot chamber isn't a fundament for a healthy relationship but degenerate.
THAT is exactly where they belong, period!
How come tradfags hate when you masturbate?
unironically chivalry (chivalry is proto-feminism)
how come tradfags support israel?
sounds like a generalization, traditionalism in my mind is keeping them submissive in the role they were intended for (housekeeping, meals and infant child rearing)
>chivalry
A meme made up by victorian fags?
Is this another thinly veiled "I hate white women because they all reject me and I think Asian women won't" yellow fever thread
Trads are gynocentric. They view women as "partners" and not as property. On a strategic level, they also believe that the fight can't be won without assistance from women. They are dependent on women in their lives, and that dependency gets projected onto their politics.
Women want men to hold up their end of the traditional bargain while they forgo theirs.
Nah just another "Giving women rights was a mistake" based thread.
I’m a traditionalist. I’m courting a 15 yo loli with the fathers consent and will probably marry her in a year when she’s 16. She’s a bit plain, but has good parents, a good family, and is well versed in housekeeping. She’ll be barefoot and pregnant, keeping the house and children while I provide all other things material,y and she makes my house into a home. She’s to belong to me and I will arrange marriages for both my boys and girls. The girls are to be wed to men a decade older of sound character that know the family. The boys are to be wed the same, to girls a decade younger than themselves.
>15 year old
>loli
does not compute
Are lolis supposed to be prepubescent? Lolita was 12(?) if I recall correctly. Which is tanner stage 2.
Tell me big guy, how are you going to rein women in? Didn't think so. You like to front "Thot Patrol" and whatever, but the truth is that they hold the keys to sexual reproduction. You have to get in there and play the game. The rules are unfair right now, sure, but whining about it is the quickest way to being a nonreproductive incel. Find a nice girl, be a good man, make beautiful children. Even if she's slightly damaged, you can turn her around. In the end the 14 are all that matter. They need guidance, yours and mine.
When finding a non-thot becomes a statistical impossibility for an average dude, what else do you suggest?
>women who are good
No such thing. Women are amoral creatures. They're only as good or bad as men around them allow.
nazis arent traditional, it's an antitraditional ideology. and yes nazis are the most gynocentric feminist mangina basedboys on the planet, just look at hitler and what he said about women
Because believing in equal rights for women is proper.
Believing in special privileges for women is modern feminism.
The difference is the notion of duty- trades have the notion of duty to another.
it can't because in that case women could as wel take the easy road and rely on men who have the upper hand at this point. In this case, non white men.
Having a child with a man who will beat her and give her a minority child that is considered the most veil creature on this world (a white child) and treated accordingly or having a child with a man who beats her but gives her a child who'll be a diverse progressive child cheered by the media and won't have the risk to get bullied every day for being white, then the choice is easy.
>Traditional women.
>Putting a thot into a thot chamber isn't a fundament for a healthy relationship but degenerate.
>traditionalism in my mind is keeping them submissive in the role they were intended for (housekeeping, meals and infant child rearing)
>I’m a traditionalist. I’m courting a 15 yo loli with the fathers consent and will probably marry her in a year when she’s 16. She’s a bit plain, but has good parents, a good family, and is well versed in housekeeping. She’ll be barefoot and pregnant, keeping the house and children while I provide all other things material,y and she makes my house into a home. She’s to belong to me and I will arrange marriages for both my boys and girls. The girls are to be wed to men a decade older of sound character that know the family. The boys are to be wed the same, to girls a decade younger than themselves.
>Find a nice girl, be a good man, make beautiful children.
So what you are saying is that women belong in the kitchen or the bedroom, should be barefoot and pregnant, that we should lower the age of consent, and engage in a little domestic discipline when required?
That we should vote for far right christian fringe groups that have no chance of winning, so that the mainstream parties (conservative / republicans) politicians will start to represent the above values and people like you? (moving the needle)
stop bitching and do something about it
>how are you going to rein women in?
How do muslims reign own and western women in while inside most feminist countries on earth? Take all the tries you need.
Yes. Completely. I personally think the age of marriage should be 14 for girls and 16 for boys with parental consent. 16 for girls and 18 for boys they can make that decision on their own.
I hate them too. Beta cucks need to be casturated.
try 36 for "boys". We shouldn't be hamstringing young men when they only begin to spread their wings.
>No such thing. Women are amoral creatures
stop this self-adulation. Modern men are shit and men don't know everything. you sound narcisstisc.
You can't win with them. They will not un-emancipate themselves, and if they remain emancipated they WILL pursue femine interests )for what other reason would they need to be emancipated?). Femine policies produce feminine societies and feminine societies collapse. It's a trick being pulled on trads. On the one hand, they want to maintain these amorphous traditions that fall one by one each passing year, but they also want to uphold a feminist paradigm that makes it impossible to maintain them. You have to choose: Do you want your traditions to survive, or do you want your "partner" to be "free"? You can't have it both ways and no society has ever found a way to indefinitely balance the two.
Because to normies, everything is about signalling status and virtue, and these things take priority over establishing the truth. It isn't just the left, those on the right who claim that literally everything is the result of "muh hard work" and that Cambodian manlets with Down's syndrome are the way they are is because they're just lazy are doing exactly the same thing for exactly the same reason. People naturally see any issue raised by others as an opportunity to signal their superiority by claiming that it's "only an issue to you" and that you wouldn't need to worry about these things if you were as good as they are. The ability to temporarily put the game aside for the purpose of establishing truth is basically a disorder, albeit one which is integral to a functioning society.
yes we should because they will try to have sex with somewone. That's usually part of spreading wings.
Which means single motherhood, thots and stds. Same situation we have right now.
Telling women to stay pure and at the same time telling men to be free which includes fucking around (with whom?) doesn't make any sense.
Stupid.
Smart. Although it could be made an exception that there are whore houses to accommodate implusles while also making sure that most girls remain pure.
I personally want my jboys marrying a decade younger and my girls a decade older.
>lolita was 12
nobody cares about your dumb book
when people say loli they mean flat chested underage anime girl, who might actually be a 9000 year old vampire if you inspect the lore
dumping
Women are and have always been beneath men. We’ve corrupted the feminine and th masculine and most everyone is unhappy.
>with whom?
with MILFs of course. Women who aren't married past 35 should do sex work as a part of their duty to the community.
Men can be bad or can be good. Sex objects cannot be either, as they lack inner moral compass.
I don’t care about 2d when I can have a 3D pure virgin to birth me many children.
>for what other reason would they need to be emancipated?
to be able to correct a man when he's about to make a bad decision that would affect the family in a negative way.
And for being able to educate the children in case you want to avoid public school system.
muslims tend to be school drop outs partly because they don't learn anything from their mothers and they don't learn how to learn, they don't have a thirst for knowledge. That's often the fault of their mothers because they don't (can't) stimulate them intellectually.
Women do not need to be emancipated to teach their children. How did children get taught for the thousands of years prior to female emancipation? Similarly, a woman having input in her marriage is a decision within that marriage, and has nothing to do with whether the state should confer rights to women. It's just not necessary. We know for a fact that societies can thrive and prsoper without women's rights. We have thousands of years of evidence for it.
Because it’s gay af not to mention hedonistic. “Masturbatory” is derogatory in virtually every sense, actually wanking your dick like a fucking 12-year-old is no exception.
>with MILFs of course.
Won't exist in your concept of society when girls get married young unless their partner dies.
>Women who aren't married past 35 should do sex work as a part of their duty to the community.
"should do" and if they don't want to because it goes against their set of values or self worth?
>Men can be bad or can be good. Sex objects cannot be either, as they lack inner moral compass.
I disagree. Men are not significantly less easy to misslead than women. the current state of the West shows that quite clearly.
>being this blatant about controlling men's access to sexual release
When your feminist allies eat you alive, I will be celebrating.
>they also believe that the fight can't be won without assistance from women.
wombs create soldiers, wars cannot be won without your women
>Won't exist
In most traditional times, there have always been plenty of whores
>and if they don't want
pic related
That is where what every cunt belong. Caged, collared, nude
>How did children get taught for the thousands of years prior to female emancipation? S
they did not get taught at all. That's why most people could not read or write. If they were rich they had a house teacher or a governess.
>It's just not necessary.
It is. Many muslim women (who live without rights) live in women shelters in Germany. So even very traditional women who are used to having only few rights sometimes have to flee from their husbands. It's just back then nobody cared about it when they were suffering.
>We have thousands of years of evidence for it.
that was pre industrial revolution and pre internet age.
I think it’s more about self discipline. Plus, no masturbation and early marriage means that there will be lots of white babies.
>You can't have it both ways and no society has ever found a way to indefinitely balance the two.
How about one vote per family that has children and yeah no loopholes like step dads, people who have kids with multiple people get 0 votes
this way only people who have an interest in how the future turns out for their kids will be able to vote
It stops women from just voting in lonnie leftist socialism crap because its not entirely her vote its a family decision
>In most traditional times, there have always been plenty of whores
there also has been plenty of Syphilis.
If a man wants to wait until he's 36, he better should hump a sex doll until then.
>and if they don't want
pic related
so you want your own women to be raped on a regular basis if they couldn' find a man and want to allow men from their age bracket to voluntarily remain single?
Why not forcing men to marry early too so there won't be women who have to stay alone and only work as prostitutes?
don't forget her milkies need to be put to work too
This is a biological baseline. Everything north of that baseline, including emancipation and strategic input, is therefore negotiable.
>they did not get taught at all.
Except they did. And in America, they got even better educations prior to female emancipation than they did after it. In 19th century America, for example, prior to female emancipation, schoolchildren had to learn Latin and Greek, among other things that are no longer taught.
>It is. Many muslim women (who live without rights) live in women shelters in Germany.
Except that it isn't, and we can prove that simply by directing one's attention to the countless societies that span millenia which thrived and prospered without ever having given women rights.
>It's just back then nobody cared about it when they were suffering.
They suffer now. More than they ever did. And feminism is directly responsible for that. But that doesn't address whether or not those societies thrived and prospered without female emancipation. They objectively did.
>that was pre industrial revolution and pre internet age.
Irrelevant.
Which is just patriarchy. Unless you think women should lead households? What do you think that would be like?
>tanner stage 2
I don't know what this is, but I'm going to imagine that anyone who uses it in Jow Forums is a degenerate
just what are you fuckers even talking about that constantly post lies about traditionalists?
Im a traditionalist and i think women should not have the vote and feminism should be outlawed.
Who the fuck are these traditionalists you keep referring to?
Another made up entity strawman like the alt right?
>Except they did
yeah, 1860 maybe and only in America
But you said "thousands of years"
not long before 95% of people could not read and write.
>Irrelevant.
no it was one of the main causes for feminism and bringing women into the work force
Use a search engine.
And I’m courting a 15 yo so by modern standards I’m a degenerate.
>whites can outbreed literal vermin
Traditionalism, not feminism, have destroyed Japan. Hyper responsibility and expectation on young men forced them to turn away from male role altogether. They saw their fathers die from overworking to support traditional women, and said no thank you.
Discipline is worthless when exercised for it's own sake.
>STDs
technologically solvable problem
>sex doll
You'll find no objection from me
>raped if they couldn't find a man
Yes. Not finding a man should have visible consequences. Of course they could always leave and build their own society, if they don't want to deal with needs of men who build and defend this one.
>allow men from their age bracket to voluntarily remain single
Many men will die before procreating or are genetic lottery losers. Stop trying to frame it as a privilege.
The addition of "age bracket" is meaningless if population overall is stable.
well I imagine that it would be left up to the inidividual household to decide, most would end up male lead anyway
if its a female lead house then you dont lose anything anyway as that guy is a pussy and would have voted for what his wife wanted regardless of the system but women arent really known for being that dominant so most will end up either male lead or in some scenarios some kind of co-op effort with about 50/50 influence for that house
which Is much better than how the system currently is
I think the most important thing tho is making it so that the childless cant vote
too late. Because then only migrant men and white men would vote and migrant men will outvote white men.
Because even with equally high birth rates there already are too many non whites in white countries.
Of course. Cunts should be on farms naked, collared, pregnant, milked and eventually slaughtered
Children were taught to read in Rome and ancient Greece. And besides, one historical example of how to teach childsren withotu female emancipation is enough. A society can be modelled on that one example, and in fact has been. And no, you can't lay feminism at the feet of the industrial revolution when it pre-existed the industrial revolution. Modern feminism has its roots in the early 19th century. Ancient feminism, which existed, has its roots long before the indistrial revolution was even a seed. There just is no rational justification for female emancipation. It is the byproduct of subversive Enlightenment era thinking that was taken too far.
I'm not Googling things that are mentioned on Jow Forums in the context of fucking children
>youtube.com
what a beautiful video.
>OPs pic related
Unironically not a bad idea
You know theyre into it too
>teenkasia in a cage
Breddy gomfy phamalama
Would you agree that women are a middle class between children and men? And if so, why not move the scale slightly north from children to include women as well? What is the down side to returning to that tradition anyway? Why resist it?
you are a cuckold you aren't even german. Just some rootless mutt immigrant. Thats why you hate tradition. You have none and want a rootless cosmopolitan world to cover up your insecurity.
'Tradfags' don't stay in the dating game long so they don't have to deal with the problems feminism causes first hand so they passively support it.
Because they believe in a certain cuck religion that glorifies the weak.
false actual traditionalist here. Hell I was opposed to feminism before i was traditionalist and still am.
Talk more shit.
>hedonistic
literally, unironically nothing wrong with this
God this is so fucking hot I won't lie
I'm not talking about all traditionalists you mong, I'm talking about the 'tradfags' OP is referring to.
When someone makes a generalisation they're not talking about you specifically, you dumb cunt.
>if they don't want to deal with needs of men
men can satisfy these needs in a marriage
a man can satisfy his sexual needs in a marriage.
>Not finding a man should have visible consequences.
but it's said they should be property to the state, their father or their brother and they should organize husbands. So the brother, father or state would have to get punished for not being able to organize a husband, not the woman. Because a property doesn't have rights according to you and can't "find" a man. Property gets sold or given to somebody.
In your concept of society it wouldn't be a womans task to find a man, but her families (or the states if she doesn't have a family)
So you want to punish the woman for the failures of their family or the state?
False. I am traditionalist and not even religious.
Because they think respecting the wahmans will get them laid and as incels or incels with oneitis don't have enough experience that they'd know feminism is just honest female nature and tradcuckery is the lie that obfuscates this.
Wow. It’s almost as if there’s a balance. A difficult one to maintain, but when done so, makes for the healthiest and happiest society.
It’s about the different stages of sexual development.
These faggots have no idea what genuine traditionalism is.
Ive never met a tradfag. If they are supporting feminism they arent traditionalist at all.
You know what i have heard a lot of pua "redpill" educated faggots put women on a pedestal just like feminists.
You have the same problems in NZ. Many Chinks and Indians with voting rights and their own tribal interests.
>Ancient feminism, which existed, has its roots long before the indistrial revolution was even a seed.
source?
That's real good for you,man. That's how every girl should be. When you marry and impregnate her will she drop out of school? Or does she not attend school?
Its about human development dumbass
>redpill faggots being cucks
Yeah because they were never truly redpilled, they were just looking for excuses for their failings.
go back to bed tony
They are some sort of leftist shill brigade. I think the funniest one is
>traditionalists are not sympathetic to mgtows
Im actually fairly sympathetic to men doing therir own thing. I think it is very traditionalist.
"Wife dem whores" this is an attitude i think isnt traditionalist at all it liberal.
All thots to the thot chamber.
Homeschooled. She’ll be homeschooling our kiddos too.
No hymen no diamond fren. :’)
Here's one. But this is by no means exhaustive. Probably the best example of ancient feminism is ancient Sparta. Sparta was officially a diarchy (two kings) but it was a feminist commie shithole. Unlike the other Greek polises which had inheritance laws where property was passed from father to son (or next male kin) in ancient Sparta, property passed from husband to wife. And since Sparta was so often at war, husbands would die frequently enough that women would become property heiresses, marry another man, he'd die, they'd become heiresses of that property too, and over the course of generations their wealth grew to staggering levels. These women were known as "the Spartan Heiresses." Aristotle wrote at length about them. They used their immense wealth to influence policy in Sparta. Whenever the Spartan government (the ephors) tried to reform their inheritance laws, the Spartan Heiresses would bribe everyone to obstruct them. Whenever Spartan kings went off to war, they went to the homes of the Heiresses and begged for money to do it, so even going to war, when and with whom was totally in the hands of women. It was a country ran by women,, and where men were disposable. And it was a terrible nightmare of a place, where the overwhelming majority of people -- the Helots -- were enslaved (not the same kind of slavery in other polises, like Athens, for example, where slaves could lead healthy, meaningful lives) in the most brutal form, making even American slavery look like a picnic.
MGTOW is gay. Most women are sluts but some aren’t. Have white babies
Yeah that gay meme spread by that whiney fucking cuck on youtube isnt very representative of mgtow. I swear that cunt is a feminist. He stole countless memes from me and turned them into beta faggotry.
Left cant meme.
Is it really difficult? Here I'll solve it for you:
>freedom + responsibility for men
>property status for women
done.
Stop playing coy, roastie. I'm not against marriage, and neither are 99% of men. It has to be worth something for us.
>father or their brother and they should organize husbands
And they did. So much so that shotgun weddings used to be a thing. Take a wild guess, whom the shotgun was pointed at. It wasn't the bride.
Worked well until women declared it to be oppression ... *drum roll* OF WOMEN.
For a society to work, women need to be property. There is no reason for men to cooperate for building, bettering and defending a society if there isn't a social contract guaranteeing them access to a vagina at the end of it. And since women wont build shit themselves, that leaves only one option. There is no way around this. If white men refuse to enforce it, brown men will do it over our dead bodies.
Because if you realize how low value sexual gratification is the entire inflated market collapses.
If you go through my posts you’ll see we share the same values. Calm down leaf.
I'm on a roll, nigger, don't fuckin' tell me to come down!