Question to lefty/pol/:

Greece, Rome, Byzantium, Persia, Babylon....etc.
Um, sorry, wop, but yeah, the Roman pussies were multicultural. That's sort of why there are hundreds of syncretist shrines, gods, etc. Aquae Sulis? Fuck off, italigger

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Ever heard of King Cyrus's Persian Empire?

only God's Kingdom is eternal Filibro.

How the fuck would you know? Are you an expert? You already answered in the negative. Most societies haven't yet been tried. You have no power here.

this is totally false, yes there is "romanization" to a degree, but latin did not replace tribal languages & select deities from the roman pantheon (incl the emperor of course) were worshipped alongside local cults.

but total BS that there was a monoculture across the empire. being able to maintain cohesion with minimal assimilation was what made the roman empire work, in fact.

>WE WUZ ROMANZ N SHIEET!
Roman Empire was not multicultural or multiracial. Not to the degree we're talking about in western societies today, and most parts of it were racially and culturally homogenous. They conquered a lot of different peoples. Calling Rome "multicultural" is grossly reductivist at best, and outright mendacious at worse.

>Tang China
How did it end, I wonder? (I don't actually wonder, I know)

No, there hasn't. Multiracial, yes up to a point, but never multicultural.

>WE WUZ ROMANZ N SHIEET!
>Roman Empire was not multicultural or multiracial. Not to the degree we're talking about in western societies today, and most parts of it were racially and culturally homogenous. They conquered a lot of different peoples. Calling Rome "multicultural" is grossly reductivist at best, and outright mendacious at worse.
Oh yeah and one more thing
ROME FAILED
lol

Gee, kinda like how various Latin patois became French, Spanish, Portuguese, Romanian, thanks to admixture between Latin and Keltic, Slavic, etc.? It's kind of historical fact, as you showed him. But being an italigger, he'll just claim Roma vita!

Because they were the same race...the Human race. Yeah, how did attempts at forced assimilation work at Adrianople or Teutoberg Forest? LOL......

Unironically Iran right now, they've got Persians Azeris Kurds Balochs Lurs Turkmens Arabs and a whole buttload of others all getting along mostly well because they're united by religious authority.

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OH? Basque much? Finn much? Kazakh much? Uzbek much? Etc.

Wow what a useless, pointless, cringe and autistic comment.

Leftist here, culture in general harms individualism, the driving force of society, so having multiple cultures just makes matters worse

roman empire

The Roman Empire fell when it became multi-racial.

Toronto...
...until Jamaican immigrant gangs + guns smuggled in from the USA.

lots of them

That's like calling the USA multicultural if it was made of all European peoples from different parts of Europe.

All /leftypol/ faggots in here claiming "multiculturalism has worked!" are not describing true multicultural or multiracial societies. They're not describing anything analogous to what is being done to the west or in particular the USA. I mean rome? They had like a 1% nigger population, outside of the areas that they conquered where the niggers were from. Wow HOW MULTICULTURAL! And anyhow Rome had an infamous 400 year crash. It never had a successful experience with multiculturalism, even on a small scale, when you understand that.

>All these people saying Roman Empire
Didn't it fall right after opening its borders?

Prove it. Or, rather, disprove it.

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Different religions does not mean they were multicultural faggot. Romans built cities that looked like the same in every part of their empire, with the same facilities, same roads, same thermae, same buildings, same structures. They imposed the same two languages everywhere in the empire (latin and greek), the same costumes and the same organization. Eventually the native cultures disappeared. Very multicultural isn't it? Inferior subhuman. Besides, up to the edict of Caracalla the roman empire was very much similar to a colonial empire in wich only italians and their descendants in the provinces had roman citizenship by birthright, the provincials were second-tier citizen called peregrini and hade very few right and could only obtain romani citizenship working very hard. Very multicultural again nigger

Prove what, you fucking idiot? That "we are all one race, the human race"?

Every empire will fall eventually retarded amerimutt

Here actually. I won't even wait for your dumb response. It's a high rez image, you can zoom in and you'll be able to make out the citations.

Now suck a dick and go home.

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No. At least none where all ethnicities had the same rights. At the moment of appearance of multiculturalism, the civilization fell.

Culture is society. Society is Culture. Not a particular culture, but Culture. Can't have a Culture without society neither a society without Culture. Culture is plastic and designed to change. Whitebagger here, there's plenty of xtians who don't work hard, suck ass, and stink.

this

Multicultural is very different from multi ethnic/multi race

Ancient empires such as persian, rome, carthage, etc were multi cultural but they were all caucasian and their culture were somewhat similarso it worked a little

Dude they've got 100's of 1000's of pastoral nomads getting along just fine with sedentary farmers and city dwellers, each of whom speak different languages and are various different shades of brown, they do all this with only minor insurgences by the usual suspects (AQ and ISIS on the Afghan border but that's it ) if that's not multicultural/racial then what is?

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>Prove it
>Prove what, you fucking idiot? That "we are all one race, the human race"?
Here actually. I won't even wait for your dumb response. It's a high rez image, you can zoom in and you'll be able to make out the citations.

Now suck a dick and go home.

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Oh, the Decumanus Maximus argument. Don't forget your Cloaca Maximus, italliger Lombard/Arab/Greek/French/Etruscan mutt. Don't ever forget your Cloaca!

That's not Truth, it's a meme. Thanks for demonstrating your lack of expertise at basic biology.

No there hasn't.

Every single civilization ever has been an ethnostate that promoted racism AND IT WORKED.

>incorporates foreign deities into the pantheon
>mixes hellenism and roman culture
>becomes christian
>wears trousers

Yes, also the cloaca faggot

>Greece, Rome, Byzantium, Persia, Babylon....etc.

This, any successful empire or culture was multiethnic. The difference to today is that they were never democracies and it was always clear who/what was the dominating culture.

>they were all caucasian and their culture were somewhat similar

There are no problems if all cultures are Indo-European ones. Or East Asian ones. Similar cultures and ethnicities can make multiculturalism work for a while... but the ideal is for each ethnic group to stay at his homeland.

Yup. White Bongs get/got on fine with Caribbeans, Indians, and SE Asians for the most part. It was the Pakistanis and Africans that fucked shit up. They're terrible people.

How you like them Gothic genes, paisanito? Or those Arab ones? Heh LOL

Dude it's got a ton of accurate and relevant citations listed in it. I'm not copying them all one by one into text, I posted you an image with a list of citations. It's not even up for debate anyway. Different races are obviously different from eachother you fucking idiot.

Kys fag

Someone's got his thesaurus out

>roman empire
>empire
This is your answer. When UK had an empire, it didn't mean that pajeets in Asia had the same privilege as someone living in Yorkshire.

Sure, plenty. They don't last very long though and are prone to eventual fragmentation.

Different dogs are different too. Horses, cows, etc. But they're still dogs, horses, and cows. Humans are just the same. Hey....I know...carve out all the non-hog parts of your DNA and see how much is left?

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It's actually wrong to compare political cases and problems after modern with pre-modern societies.
Roman Empire wasn't multicultural, yet it wasn't ethnostate.

>Greece
absolutely false, both greek democracy (Athens) and the other monarchies were highly homogeneous, with other ethnic elements acting as literal slaves

>Rome
this one is true, albeit integration through romanization was paramount to the well-being of the state; in this regards, the society was indeed multicultural when it came to ethnicity, but very homogeneous when it came to language/culture.

>Byzantium
See above, very similar to Rome, albeit Christianity played a huge role in bringing people together. Moreover, the higher strata of elites was composed out of greeks/romans, while the lower strata was multicultural yet had limited rights in the functioning of the state itself. Yet again, culture and language brought people together, despite them being from different ethnic groups.

None of the first three examples of yours were actual multicultural societies. Multi-ethnic, sure, but not multicultural in the sense of everybody respecting each other's culture equally. There was always a higher strata of elites that controlled the narrative, and integration of other ethnic groups was paramount to the survival of the state itself. If conquered people didn't want to integrate, they would die or become slaves, and this pretty much dismantles every idea of these state actually being "multicultural".

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Multicultural means that there are different people of very different culture, costumes and languages living under the same empire and considering themselves equally belonging to that empire, not adopting usefull tools or ideas of other nations nigger.

Caracalla saw to it that it would not be the case with the romans

So are all polities. Your point? No monoethnic states or societies have lasted any longer, most far shorter!

Liberal Democracy in a multicultural is nothing more than a racial head count.

Yeah, and different dogs prefer their clan and their appearance and type over other, if not forced

Study something in your useless life obese subhuman, very few genetic footprints were left by invaders in Italy because they were too few compared to the general population whose genetics were pre-roman mostly

Conflate, change subjects, yargle-blargle, and opine. xtianity destroyed Rome, and the point wasn't equanimity of political power but simply multiethnicity.

yes, but after almost three century.

Well rome was both

>ITT foreigners try to tell an Italian about his country’s history all while being patently wrong

Friendly reminder that the more multi-racial and “multi-cultural” Rome got, the weaker it became.

>Memeflaggot
>Thinks leftypol exists
I swear, this place gets worse day by day which I thought was impossible.

DO NOT ENGAGE MEMEFLAGGOT OPs. Sage.

look here

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>Different dogs are different too. Horses, cows, etc. But they're still dogs, horses, and cows. Humans are just the same.
Cool, we're gonna go down this stupid road, with this stupid argument? Because if we're comparing races to dogs and dog breeds, then we all agree and recognize it as indisputable that different breeds of dogs display different levels of intelligence, different temperaments, different personalities and therefore have different levels of desirability.

Congratulations, you retarded faggot, you just made every right-wing racists talking points for them, and all the while you were so stupid that you thought you were backing up your pretentious, gay, untrue multiculti leftism horseshit.

At what? Look at what? There is nothing to debunk. A bunch of commies yelling "NO, I DONT LIKE THAT GRAPH!" =/= "debunking".

And its not "debunkable" to start with. It's not a matter of debate. Just talk to any two people from different races. They're not the same. Period. Cancerous commie dumbfuck.

The great weakness of the last roman empire was that it was no longer capable of managing immigration, so a lot of barbarians came in but started to live on their own in bigger and bigger comunities without antìy kind of assmilation in the roman society. So basically yes,
> the more “multi-cultural” Rome got, the weaker it became.

This what this retard dont say when claim of all those EMPIRES as succesfull is that one ethnicity rule over the rest of the SERF

It's only possible if you have a clear ruling class in the majority.

Gause's law

Otherwise, it breaks down and tyranny can be the only thing that holds it together for some time until it finally collapses.

The british empire, which was only destroyed after they sent too many kangaroos to turkey

>Caracalla
Roman civilisation was already starting to going shit at this point in time. Why is it that only the empire phase, especially the last one, is always used when talking of Rome? There were also a republican phase and a monarchic one.

Based and redpilled
When all the ethnicities live together you have india, pakistsn , afganishtan, south america, china with uighur and tibetans and now a europe and usa where the race confrontation is destroying the nation .

multiethnicity does not mean multiculturalism. To become a citizen of Rome, you had to fully integrate in the society (learn the language, the customs, adopt the culture and public administration etc). If you did not do this, you'd be killed or enslaved. In a multicultural society, integration of other ethnic groups within the previous culture of the country/empire is not paramount, everybody is permitted to act as they did in their previous culture. Moreover, the state allows cultural exchange to the point of morphing its own dogma - in this regards, the United States of America is a truly multicultural empire, same goes for the UK as well.

>xtianity destroyed Rome
Sure, you could say that, but you could also argue that Christianity also benefited the Byzantine Empire a heck of a lot more than it did tot the Romans themselves.

Gosh you commies are really absolute retards... you didn't debunk anything. Learn something about genetics!

singapore's also multiracial but staunchly against multiculturalism

multiculti just results in brazil, though multiracialism can work if people are forced to be on the same page

For those of you that undestimate the problems of multiracial/ multicultural countries here is what scientist have to say about it.
Not a sungle positive thing

Putnam’s HARVARD study: onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1467-9477.2007.00176.x

Good Fences: necsi.edu/research/social/scienceofpeace.pdf

Self-identification study: ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15625622

Everything else:

More diverse neighborhoods have lower social cohesion.

citylab.com/housing/2013/11/paradox-diverse-communities/7614/
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Diversity increases psychotic experiences.
Diversity increases social adversity.

A 10% increase in diversity doubles the chance of psychotic episodes.

bjp.rcpsych.org/content/201/4/282.abstract?etoc

Diversity reduces voter registration, political efficacy, charity, and number of friendships.

Ethnic diversity reduces happiness and quality of life.

onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1467-9477.2007.00176.x/abstract;jsessionid=279C92A7EB0946BBA63D62937FC832A9.f04t03

Diversity reduces trust, civic participation, and civic health.

boston.com/news/globe/ideas/articles/2007/08/05/the_downside_of_diversity/?page=full

Ethnocentrism is rational, biological, and genetic in origin.

pnas.org/content/108/4/1262.abstract

Ethnic diversity harms health for hispanics and blacks.

ajph.aphapublications.org/doi/abs/10.2105/AJPH.2012.300787

Babies demostrate ethnocentrism before exposure to non-whites.

onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1467-7687.2012.01138.x/full

Ethnocentrism is universal and likely evolved in origin.

www-personal.umich.edu/~axe/research/AxHamm

It is evolutionarily rational to be friends with someone genetically similar to you.

livescience.com/46791-friends-share-genes.html

Racism and nationalism are rational and evolutionary advantageous strategies.

jasss.soc.surrey.ac.uk/16/3/7.html

Homogeneous polities have less crime, less civil war, and more altruism.

theindependentaustralian.com.au/node/57

States with little diversity have more democracy, less corruption, and less inequality.

theindependentaustralian.com.au/node/57

There is extensive evidence people prefer others who are genetically similar.

psychology.uwo.ca/faculty/rushtonpdfs/n&n_2005-1.pdf

Our analysis shows that peace does not depend on integrated coexistence, but rather on well defined topographical and political boundaries separating groups

plosone.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pone.0095660

The more integrated a neighborhood is, the less socially cohesive it becomes, and vice versa.

msutoday.msu.edu/news/2013/study-asks-is-a-better-world-possible/

The more ethnically diverse the people we live around, the less we trust them.

macaulay.cuny.edu/eportfolios/benediktsson2013/files/2013/04/Putnam.pdf

Ethnocentrism, often thought to rely on complex social cognition and learning, may have arisen through biological evolution.

jasss.soc.surrey.ac.uk/16/3/7.html

Diversity experiments in Germany end in disaster

spiegel.de/international/germany-s-immigrants-integration-in-theory-alienation-in-practice-a-433006.html

China is dealing in a really based way with uighur muslims by the way...

Immigrants in Norway are a net loss to the economy

emnbelgium.be/publication/report-norwegian-welfare-and-migration-committee

Immigrants in Sweden are a net loss to the economy

amid.dk/pub/papers/AMID_48-2006_Jan_Ekberg.pdf

Denmark saved billions by restricting immigration:

spiegel.de/international/europe/putting-a-price-on-foreigners-strict-immigration-laws-save-denmark-billions-a-759716.html

telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/denmark/8492822/Denmarks-immigration-laws-save-country-6-billion.html

Increases in diversity correlate with problems worldwide, and the downsides of diversity effect everyone, it’s a universal human problem:

theaustralian.com.au/higher-education/the-downside-of-difference/story-e6frgcjx-1111112914289

More diversity in police departments correlates with more abuse, poorer performance and less trust:

mediafire.com/?1fe8x0egftpbp6f

Decreased community spirit, decreased altruism, and depressed social capital, less ethical behavior, more crime, fear, isolation and depression:

city-journal.org/html/eon2007-06-25jl.html

Also, a nice little study from Cornell University about how segregation creates peace:

arxiv.org/abs/1110.1409

let me think of one....

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>Implying that "Lefty-pol" = Liburlz
No, you brainlet, they are communists who despise identity politics from most of the time, but I do agree that their main concern is more focused on nazis rather on the actual problem in society.

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It's not even "based", it's the only realistic way. It sucks if you're those guys, but that's how nations work.

Diverse means division, and division will lead to your county dividing into bits.

>a succesful muliticultural society

>a nation with an authoritarian state that's needed to police and keep the internally complex multicultural, ie tribal, society from killing each other.

The state of the brains on pol

And it led to their downfall, so not successful

They also had a clear ruling class majority in regards to laws and how things worked.

Define your terms and I'll give you an answer, multicultural is a pozzed term after all

The last 6 roman emperors were faggots

oh yes, this guys

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see and multiethnicity does not mean multiculturalism. Especially when the state/empire is being run by a very homogeneous ruling class that owns all the power, while the integrated citizens of other ethnic groups have little to no chance to influence the course of the nation in the long run. It's one of the main reason why to become a citizen of Rome you had to be conscripted in the army and serve for decades at a row - it drastically limited the number of different ethnic groups from ever having the chance of getting into a position of power. You can argue that this all changed in the later stages of the Roman Empire, but that due to incompetence, corruption, degradation of the power of the state and decentralization (aka the empire became truly multicultural after a period of massive erosion of political power, when the elites couldn't project their power to the degree that they did in the past).

America is a SUCCESSFUL multi-cultural society, you fucking moron!

Any successful muti cultral society will eventually create a unified culture of it's own.

Do you know why the empire collapsed....?

these guys were multicultural an B A S E D at the same time

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Byzantium was HALF of the fucking polity, and it was Orthodox xtianity...not wackass Pauline catholicism bent on punishment and denial from dumbass Constantine. Then the Goths demanded true rights they were promised, according to Roman Law and treaties, and the catholics AND orthodox fucked over the Germans. Why? Because they were "just Goths"....and so the Goths rose in revolt, and shook the fucking stones of the empire and even Byzantium fell to the Arabic assholes because the fucking Italians couldn't part with some denarii. Don't presume to History me.