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Fuck off Sweden doesn't some Somali need to ass rape you or something before you’re allowed to speak

these retarded communists don't understand that an Employer bears certain risks, they have to pay lease/mortgage on the building they operate from, they buy equipment (manufacturing or computers or vehicles, etc.) they need to come up with a business plan, they need to network and generate profitable supply chains. They need to find customers/buyers. They need to advertise/market. The list goes on and on.

On top of all that, if a business fails, the owner is most likely going to be financially ruined for life, or at least under tremendous pressure.

If an employee gets fired, they can just walk up the street and get a new job that pays roughly the same wage and their life doesn't change much.

The Greeks held free men who sell their labor to other men as lower than slaves. It is somewhat infantile for a wage-worker to demand all value in the employer-employee relationship rather than become an authentic producer.

This is literally meaningless drivel.
Nigger, define "full value of their work".

>the hamburgers I made at my McJob belong to me because I made them :)

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There comes a time that this shit must be laughed off and it's proponents ridiculed mercilessly for being the FAGGOTS they are. Don't give them agency anymore.

Confusing capitalism/mostly unregulated markets with being a slave to usury lending practices under a FIAT currency makes you a retard who doesn't understand basic economics.

WTF is this shit head babbling about? Labor is free? I don’t know about him but I get a paycheck every week.

You’d have to be kind of retarded to believe this. And you’d have to be kind of evil to repeat it to someone else.

they're arguing abstractly, it's so fucking disingenuous.

they think they deserve [Their Hourly Wage] + [Whatever the Employer Profits from Them] = 100% value

They don't think the Employer should make ANY PROFIT despite all of the risk that the Employer takes for running a business.

It makes no fucking sense, our economy would cease to exist if we didn't have profit motives, not to mention there'd be no incentive to improve quality on any good or service.

>labor
>free

Right...

>capitalist hate this guy
>with one simple tweet he destroys

That is the stupidest thing I’ve ever seen. Karl Marx wasn’t right about capital. His book was trash. Marx wanted people to go back in time, he was ignorant of the social and economic progress of mankind. A free market is the natural progression from the hunter gather collectivist life of early man. Eventually enough was produced and people figured out how to preserve meat and goods which allowed the surplus that socialists bitch about. That gives me the right to decide what’s done with what I produce, if I have paid someone to help me tan leather the leather still belongs to me and not him. Since all we sell is time to an employer to help him produce goods than the goods are still his to decide what to do with. If you don’t like it than sell something other than time you ducking hippies.

It's amazing to think of.
But some people really are that stupid.

>Work hard labor job
>Created thousands in revenue
>Employer hands you a $900 check and pockets the remaining $4100 even though he didn’t do anything
>Government taxes $300 of your $900 so that he can give it back to your employer in the form of corporate welfare

Yeah I’d say it’s free money for the employer.

this is the person who invented twitter
this is the RDA of salt
>[...] no X = Y
>no Y = X [...]

People can't be this dumb, must be satire

What are you blathering on about? Do you have any idea about the money an employer has to withhold for tax purposes? On top of that you are contracted to work for an hourly amount, what the government takes in the form of tax has nothing to do with your employer and is not his choice. If you make 18 an hour than you see just that on your check minus what the government takes in taxes and now forces you to pay in insurance costs. If you don’t like it than produce something instead of being labor.

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He's not quite right, but he raises a valid point. Capitalism does live off a lot of free stuff. Not labour, but natural resources, social reproduction and most importantly government handouts to industry.
Our current "capitalist" system is basically capitalism for the average Joe but high-powered socialism for the rich industrialists.

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Then dont sign the contract? I dont care what anyone says when your employer outlines how much hes gonna pay you either accept it or dont.

Everyone has a "chance" to the American dream, you're not entitled to it. If you dont like the pay and you're smart enough to figure out your bosses business plan by all means make your own company. But no one is stopping you, which is a lot considering the conditions of other countries. If you can honestly do better than do it. Chances are you need money to start it up, right? Ok. Figure it out. Maybe you can find a faster way to make it than working at McDonalds but if you're not working towards making something more of COURSE you're gonna bitch and moan at the 10 percent of what you see at your job, forgetting the other 90 percent of what it takes to run a company.

If I had 100 employees, could you imagine the logistics of what it would take just to change my logo and my company colors?!? I have to find someone who can do it, someone who can fill the order, someone to deliver it etc

That's why you get paid a fraction of the profit. It costs so much just to put my name on your tit to get other businesses to look at us and actually bring you work.
And if I go bankrupt?! I have to start over and possibly go bankrupt. The employee will have a sizable resume and can get unemployment benefits or just get another job.

>pockets the remaining $4100
So just go be self employed and make $5000

Oh wait you know you used equipment and materials and that isn't free either you fucking mongoloid, and would have to chase down your own customers and make sure they pay you. So you sit back and take the $900.

What a fucking moron.

Sorry we give free money to the people that keep our grocery stores full

Actually retarded. I guess he thinks that an automotive mechanic working out of his basement and an automotive mechanic working out of a state of the art shop produces the same value. That the extra staff and tools and clientele and people hired to solve random jobs that would waste the technicians time like vacuuming out cars or driving them around the lot don't ad anything of value and aren't work.
Commies are literally just retarded. "The only one doing work is the chef, the dishwashers, linecooks, waitresses, bartenders, upper management, and owners are just there to leech off the chefs productivity."

>”I deserve to undercut my employees and pay as little as possible because I took out a loan most others couldn’t afford and then got lucky that a lot of customers want to do business with me”

The absolute state of this board. I thought you would be smarter than this.

If capital can't make a profit, there is no job the worker is paid nothing and starves. Yay communism

>avatar picture of sipping a mug
>shilling for socialism
>literally who
TWITTER
BLUE CHECK MARK THIS MAN

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So you openely admit that your country is communist.

>I couldnt even go do whats apparently the easiest thing in the world: getting a loan and getting lucky
>gib me what he has anyway

>>”I deserve to undercut my employees and pay as little as possible because I took out a loan most others couldn’t afford and then got lucky that a lot of customers want to do business with me”
More like
>I deserve to enjoy the use of someone else's expensive equipment, to take advantage of their reputation built over the years of service to their customers just because i'm an entitled faggot who thinks everyone owes me

>even though he didn’t do anything
this is what McDonald's workers actually believe

>"I'm dismissing the employers accomplishment as entirely trivial and simple yet I can't replicate it myself and instead I'll sit here and pray for a Communist takeover so that the quality of all goods and services crashes through the floor and people line up for 2 hours each day for their soup and bread"

kys comrade.

Socialism does not work in a society whose population is constantly increasing and which does not have enough jobs for the existing people

The reason the US is failing is because of mass immigration, neither communists or capitalists are willing to stop this mass immigration

Ergo both systems are invalid- communism is inhumane and treats people as disposable units of labor- capitalism is the same.

One need only look at the Baltic republics in the USSR to ascertain the socialist idea of internal demographics. The USSR hypothetically had republics for every major ethnic group and sub-republics within those republics for minor ethnic groups. In practice Russians, Ukrainians, Belorussians and other groups loyal to the state were moved into those republics to dilute their ethnic homogeneity and exert greater state control. The decline of the USSR is correlated with migration away from these outlying republics back to the core Russian centers and high population growth in Central Asia/the Caucasus among Muslims.

In modern times the social-capitalist regime of Vladimir Putin now has a reverse of this system whereby muslims are used to dilute ethnic minorities in Russia as well as actual ethnic Russians, to break up their power and make them reliant on Putin to keep order within the system.

In the United States and South Africa the counter example exists. South Africa was founded as a white nation, however the peripheral rural areas were 99% black and outnumbered the whites- who lived in cities and suburbs at the heart of the country. The government sought to solve this problem by breaking away the rural areas into black republics, however capitalists began moving black laborers into the cities and agitating communists in order to make blacks a voting block to balance out Afrikaner organized labor. Eventually the blacks became the urban majority and took over.

Hawaii, California, New Mexico and other American states are the same- once white, now brown.

>Getting a million dollar loan and getting lucky
>Skill based
Yikes.

retarded as usual

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Capitalism and communism are two sides of the same cancerous coin as they are founded entirely as opposites of one another and debate on the nature of property ownership. If you want all of America to look like California, support capitalism. And if you want the government to murder you for opposing it, support communism.

>If capitalists didn't make any profit, capitalism wouldn't work
This guy's a fucking genius.

Idiot. Profit is generated when someone is willing to pay more for a product than the cost it took you to produce it.
Commies get heli rides

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but if socialists paid the "full value" of a workers labor the government would cease to exist.
wtf, i love socialism now!

Ah yes, the Catan complexity view of scarcity and market economy.

You’re as fat in the head as you are the torso if this wasn’t an ironic memepost.

>breathe through mouth
>type out something retarded
Nailed it

>pockets the remaining $4100 even though he didn’t do anything
No see that's where you are literally retarded. Let's list some of the other jobs being done that take up the 4100$. First of all someone went around interviewing and hiring and assembling a team and scheduling everyone shifts and you can call that person to have your shifts moved again. That is a job and it is producing value. Then we get all the equipment and the location of the job. Then we have payroll, someone has to do that. Then we have someone in shipping and receiving ordering all the consumables needed. You'll have someone who runs around making business deals and securing clients. You'll have front end staff dealing with each customer. Each of these jobs takes time, if you were doing it solo you'd have to do all of them at once and get a lot less work done. It is ultimate arrogance to think that just because you are someone that possesses a skilled trade you are at the centre of the web and can ignore the other participants. Some owners sit on their ass and do nothing but that is rare and those businesses are weaker as they have dead weight. The norm though is for the employer to also be producing value at the company and ensure everything is flowing efficiently. This is a fucking job and it produces value! If it didn't the companies that had employers wouldn't do as well, it obviously adds value as the companies last longer and do better when managed well vs a single guy working solo. Business is cutthroat remember, if it wasn't the most efficient or effective way they could come up with someone would do the job the more efficient way and undercut the inefficient idiot.
If you don't understand this stop having philosophical or political opinions. You are not qualified to hold them and we'd have better odds sniffing hobo farts.
this.

>Implying a communist ever got paid the whole value of their work.
Shut the fuck up and enjoy your ration card.

>the work of social reproduction
What does this mean?
Why can't commies try their "everyone is an owner" system to create communes and collective farms? They're allowed to do so but never do. Seriosuly, get 50 of them together on 20 acres of and and go at it.

>natural resources
>free stuff
Yeah I should go extract some oil from the sea instead of paying stupid middleman to do it, when I could just do it for "free"

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these niggers think that anyone would risk their accumulated wealth without a profit motive

The whole world is doing it wrong.

if everyone carried guns, less people would commit armed robbery out of fear of getting shot. Make armed robbery always punished by death and we would have far less gun crimes. it’s harsh but we live in a harsh world

Jesus fucking christ. The brainleted hot takes are endless.

I love how these fuckers really think they are smart people, they even wear the smart guy costume.

>tu quoque
The funny thing about gommies is they argue that parasitizing the labor of others is fine when we're talking about communism, but then in the same breath attribute that as a negative aspect of capitalism.

What a bunch of retards.

>free labor
Lol what?
>nature
Yeah because the resources just pull themselves out of the ground
>social reproduction
Not only do they tax the fuck out of estates but there are more new money billionaires than old money ones.

There's another element to it to, in that if you fuck up generally the employer gets sued and has to foot the bill for any fuckups you make, worst you get is fired unless you've done something especially criminal.

Good luck with capital formation faggot.
Surplus value cuck.

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i see this a lot in younger people who havent yet started an actual career and still work odd jobs..
I try and explain to them is that u get paid based on risk, not profit..
the more risk an employer has on you the more you get paid..

for example if a mail clerk fucks up maybe a department misses out on mail getting sent out.. big deal.. u get paid peanuts

if a big swinging dick manager of a team fucks up, its a whole team of risks that potentially can fuck up and because they have an effect on the stakeholders they get paid swinging dick money

Reeeeeee!!!! Free stuff!!!!

You see, this is why liberals should be at the bare minimum sterilized. The very definition of capitalism is paying someone money, goods, or time for their money, goods, or time.

>flips burgers from 9-5
>thousandz in revenuez!!!1!!

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kek

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