Any arguments against affirmative action

Is this just for federal employers or for private businesses to?

Because they are too stupid to be in those schools or jobs. Putting an 85 IQ nigger into a college with a bunch of students with IQs 30 to 60 points higher will not make the negro smarter. All that they will do is gravitate to the moron majors (ethnic studies, sociology, etc), but fool some people into believing that the AAs are as intelligent and competent as the whites at those schools, when they are not. In fact, it hurts the few niggers who actually ARE intelligent, because everyone assumes that they are stupid niggers who just got their degrees because they are black. You sound like you are profoundly retarded.

The Civil Rights Act was declared unconstitutional in 1883. Jews just brought it back in 1964, but it's entirely unconstitutional for the exact same reasons. I'm going to need reparations or bloodshed for Affirmative Action and it needs to end immediately.

Only for federal employers. But the key stipulation is that any "entity" seeking federal funds must adhere to this practice. This is where it gets tricky, and funny.

There are still soft barriers and micro aggressions. Imagine being accused falsely of murder and locked up. You are then set free from jail, but you have none of your shit left. That’s what it’s like to be black
What does it say on paper?

It promotes dumber people into positions for which they are not qualified, or at the least much less qualified than others. This degrades the general quality of institutions and professions.

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White males can’t compete on equal terms against others, they will always lose. Have some sympathy for the weakest of the racist, the pathetic and most of them virgins, the white walkers. Especially the ones across the ocean in America, there they had a few centuries to interbreed with their cousins and become even dumber.

Under "disparate impact" theory, an employer whose workforce fails to reflect the general demographics of the area is guilty of discrimination until proven otherwise. And it's tough to prove otherwise to the satisfaction of the modern American "judiciary."

"PART II-NONDISCRIMINATION IN GOVERNMENT EMPLOYMENT
SECTION 201. The President's Committee on Equal Employment Opportunity established by this order is directed immediately to scrutinize and study employment practices of the Government of the United States, and to consider and recommend additional affirmative steps which should be taken by executive departments and agencies to realize more fully the national policy of nondiscrimination within the exeoutive branch of the Government."

eeoc.gov/eeoc/history/35th/thelaw/eo-10925.html

> an employer whose workforce fails to reflect the general demographics of the area is guilty of discrimination until proven otherwise.

No it isn't. A private employer is not bound by Executive Order 10925 which isn't even a law by the way.

>I’ve thought it through and there’s not really any good arguments against it. People of color (PoC) have historically and currently do face injustices.

>They have lower access to educational resources, underfunded schools, and face stereotypes and bigotry for their cultural perspective.

>Why should we not give them a leg up so that their position is equitable with their privileged white peers?

Because your cause and effect chain is incongruent. Why would you fix an an underfunded school or access to educational resources by lowering your standards instead of fixing the problem with the school, or improving access to those resources?

And while we're at it, why is every affirmative action program open ended and geared towards escalation? Presumably all the work the civil rights movement has had over the past 100 plus years had moved us towards a more equitable world, so we should be refining or tapering off affirmative action programs.

Also your end condition is unjustified. The difference in results is a direct result of their cultural choices. Culture A spends it's after school time and money on self expression, art, music and poetry because of it's priorities. Culture B spends it on athletic teams. Culture C spends it on math labs. Multiculturalism by it's nature results in unequal outcomes.

Finally, these programs aren't free. ANY affirmative action program should to be weighed against the objective of egalitarianism. Treating people how they behave, and should moving away from institutionalizing different treatment because of race.

So, lets say I accept the basic idea that some amount of affirmative action is justice. What is the correct amount? How did you come to that? What are the consequences of too much or too little? And under what conditions should it end?

Two wrongs don't make a right.

it's racist against whites you fucking kike

>The heritability of IQ increases into adulthood, at 42% for ages 4-6, 55% for 6-20, 80% for adult Whites
tiny(delete)url.com/c3u57nh (Google)
psycnet.apa.org/?fa=main.doiLanding&uid=1992-34580-001

>And 72% for adult Blacks.
psycnet.apa.org/journals/law/11/3/406/

>Although some studies have shown a narrowing of the IQ gap between White and Black schoolchildren, this does not transfer into adulthood.
tiny(Delte)url.com/c3u57nh

>Despite arguments that poverty in the Black community is the cause of lower intelligence, Blacks from high socioeconomic status homes have a lower average IQ than Whites from low socioeconomic status homes.
psycnet.apa.org/index.cfm?fa=buy.optionToBuy&id=1974-24027-001

>Modern science has found ways to remove cultural bias from intelligence testing. One example is by using Raven Matrices to measure intelligence.
onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.2044-8341.1936.tb00690.x/abstract

>In a Raven Standard Progressive Matrices test, the subject is tested with patterns and geometric figures which are culture-independent and a computer calculates the score.
books.google.com/books/about/A_question_of_intelligence.html?id=5ggRAQAAIAAJ

>These tests correlate significantly (over .50) with IQ
udel.edu/educ/gottfredson/reprints/1996reviewRushton.pdf

>And as expected, despite having no cultural bias, they continue to show the large, measurable, and significant intelligence gap between Whites and Blacks.

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>micro aggressions

What a faggot

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>To date, despite claims that IQ tests are biased, not one single intelligence test has ever displayed equal scores for Blacks and Whites; one must either make the test so difficult that nobody can manage to get the questions correct or so easy that everyone obtains a perfect score to show testing equality, yet that would make the test meaningless and invalid.
charlesdarwinresearch.org/Intell03Ravens.pdf
charlesdarwinresearch.org/Intell00Ravens.pdf
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>Trillions of dollars have been spent in attempt to erase this Black-White IQ gapand all have failed.
books.google.com/books/about/A_question_of_intelligence.html?id=5ggRAQAAIAAJ
charlesdarwinresearch.org/2006 PSnew.pdf

>In fact, "public schools now spend more per capita on black children than on white." Also, "Contrary to environmentalist predictions, intervention beginning at age three makes no difference to the intellectual development of blacks [into adulthood]."
amazon.com/Why-Race-Matters-Michael-Levin/dp/0965638359

>The famous Milwaukee Project which spent $14 million in attempt to prove that the IQ gap could be removed with improved environment ended with the principal investigator "convicted and imprisoned for large-scale abuse of federal funding for private gain. Two of his colleagues were also convicted of violations of federal laws in connection with misuse of project funds… However, the project received uncritical acceptance in many college textbooks in psychology and education."
tiny(delete)url.com/ygneat8 (Google)

>Beneficial alleles are common in Eurasians but rare in Blacks. The MCPH1 and ASPM gene correspond with the development of hand-crafts and the development of sophisticated cities which were common in Eurasian populations but unheard of in sub-Saharan Africa.
sciencemag.org/content/309/5741/1717.abstract

>The DCDC2 gene of Chromosome 6 effects brain morphology and the ability to read.
v-weiss.de/majgenes-full.html

>One alelle results in dyslexia
pnas.org/content/102/47/17053

>"The allele frequency of the A allele rs2274305 of the dyslexia-gene DCDC2 is about 0.28 among Eurasians and 0.99 among Yorubas from Nigeria, about 0.80 among African-Americans."
v-weiss.de/majgenes-full.html

>The DTNBP1 gene has also been linked to intelligence, specifically the rs:760761, rs:2619522 and rs:2619538 alleles. For rs:760761, 18% of Whites carry the T allele, which takes off 8 IQ points, compared to 37% of Blacks. For rs:2619522 carrying the G allele takes off 7 points, and is found in 18% of Whites and 35-36% of Blacks. The rs:2619538 T allele increases IQ by 6.5 points and 61% of Europeans carry it vs 67% of Blacks.
behavioralandbrainfunctions.com/content/3/1/19
halfsigma.com/2007/11/dtnbp1-gene-and.html

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Behaviour and Development

>The ability to think ahead and prepare for the future is inversely correlated with impulsiveness.[63]
amazon.com/Why-Race-Matters-Michael-Levin/dp/0965638359

>Among Whites and Blacks earning more than $50 thousand per year, Blacks saved less than half the average amount that Whites saved.
arielinvestments.com/LibraryFiles//blk_investor_pdfs/2007 Black Investor Survey Press Release.pdf

>Instant gratification is normally considered an infantile/immature trait; In Africa where Whites taught Blacks how to farm effectively, they increased their production by 10x - but when they returned 2 years later, the Blacks already reverted to their previous behavior.
archive.org/stream/Now-menAndTomorrow-menWhyWeAreNotEqual/NowMenandTomorrowMen_by_GM_Mes#page/n0/mode/2up

>Impulsiveness is also correlated with drug abuse and crime, where Blacks consistently outperform Whites (see next section on crime). In one experiment, Black and White children were offered a small candy bar immediately or a larger one later: most of the Blacks chose the small one and most of the Whites chose the larger one. The author wrote "Negroes are impulsive, indulge themselves, settle for next to nothing if they can get it right away, do not work or wait for bigger things in the future."
psycnet.apa.org/psycinfo/1962-04824-001

>According to one author, Blacks "hold labor as an evil inferior only to death… There is abundant evidence to show that the Negro will not work without a considerable amount of persuasion."
archive.org/stream/onnegrosplacein00londgoog#page/n12/mode/2up

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None of this shit has anything to do with "Affirmative action".

>The tendency of sexual promiscuity has been common in Africa for thousands of years while monogamy was religiously practiced in Europe. The hormone-driven feeling of falling in love is an adaptive trait that induces pair bonding and reduces the attractiveness of others.
sscnet.ucla.edu/comm/haselton/papers/downloads/Gonzaga_Haselton_et_al_2008_EHB.pdf

>The largest relative brain sizes among primate species are associated with monogamous mating systems.
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1762360/

>Sexual promiscuity is universal in African populations, suggesting that this behavior is biologically based.
ediplomat.com/np/post_reports/pr_cv.htm

>Altruism, the desire to help other people, including strangers, appears to be genetic
sciencemag.org/content/311/5765/1301.abstract

>Whites seem to be the most altruistic based on donations of money, blood, and organs. People with a specific allele of the AVPR1a gene are more altruistic, although racial differences have not been studied.
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17696996

>One study found evidence that Blacks have more in-group empathy than Whites, stating that "African-Americans showed greater empathy for African-Americans facing adversity - in this case for victims of Hurricane Katrina - than Caucasians demonstrated for Caucasian-Americans in pain."
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17696996

>The PER2 gene on Chromosome 2 "is a key component of the mammalian circadian clock machinery… [a] high and significant difference in the geographic distribution of PER2 polymorphisms was observed between Africans and non-Africans."
nature.com/ejhg/journal/v16/n12/abs/ejhg2008105a.html

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It proves that blacks are genetically inferior, therefore any attempt to elevate them past their abilities is counter-productive and unmerited.

>The MAOA-L gene has been linked to aggression, antisocial behavior, impulsivity, impaired impulse control, gang membership, and other negative behavioral traits.
tiny(delete)url.com/8a3s2et (Google docs)

>The 3-repeat allele has been shown to cause increased aggression in humans, and 59% of Blacks have this allele compared to 34% of Whites.
journal.nzma.org.nz/journal/120-1250/2441/

>13.5% of Blacks have the extreme aggression 2-repeat allele as opposed to 1% of Whites.
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16896926

>MAOA-L has been dubbed the "Warrior gene" and a growing body of evidence has linked it to strong evolutionary selective pressures.
medicine.yale.edu/labs/kidd/436.pdf

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Again. It would seem that you don't know or understand what "Affirmative Action" is. None of this shit has anything to do with "Affirmative action".

Employer here. 240 employees, 90% white, 1 Mexican (good worker, smart, legal) and rest Asians. I'm in the middle of illegal spic land in SoCal. No one has questioned me and I traverse loop holes to deny niggers and spics with a special human filter that gives me plausible deniability always.

>No one has questioned me and I traverse loop holes to deny niggers and spics with a special human filter that gives me plausible deniability always.

No one will or would question you. I don't understand why this statement is relevant.

Sure it does. In OP's post the end goal is equitable treatment.

It's an iron axiom in education that all people of all races are equal. It's a central pillar of the disparate impact test.

If it turns out the black IQ average is 85, as opposed to the average 100 for the entire population, treating people based on their ability with no racisim at all will fail the disparate impact test.

>I’ve thought it through and there’s not really any good arguments against it.
>I’ve thought it through
Kek

Do people do what you do frequently? Also why do you do it? Are you just racist or have blacks and Hispanics failed you before?

>equitable treatment.
In the federal workforce. Equitable treatment is capped at 14%, and even then equitable treatment only applies to qualified applicants. So again, none of this really has anything to do with "Affirmative action". Perhaps you could outline a situation in which it does.

Because I know 90% of the applicants I get from nogs and spics are worthless.

Only poverty whites lose opportunity, not privileged whites. Or jews who are over-represented, but asians are over- represented too and are harmed by affirmative action, yet jews are not. Its a clusterfuck. And it is classic liberal racism of low expectations to give bonus points to a low score because of skin color.

hes saying he intentionally doesnt hire spics and niggers you idiot

Why don’t other employers do this? Why is every so “diversity is our strength” “too many white males working here”

Sooooooooooooo... Why is that relevant to the conversation?

My dad lost a job to a fire Department because they had to hire a brown guy. Fire chief is my dad's friend and told my dad that he was angry that he had to hire the pajeets because he scored lower on the test than my father did. They were forced by law to hire a less skilled fire fighter and that puts people in real danger.

Your dad should sue. That's against the law.

"(l) Prohibition of discriminatory use of test scores
It shall be an unlawful employment practice for a respondent, in connection with the selection or referral of applicants or candidates for employment or promotion, to adjust the scores of, use different cutoff scores for, or otherwise alter the results of, employment related tests on the basis of race, color, religion, sex, or national origin."

law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/42/2000e-2

>Perhaps you could outline a situation in which it does.

I'm not sure exactly what your specific line of thought here, but it probably doesn't matter.

Settling for minimally qualified? Not taking the most qualified person regardless of race? MLK would be dissapointed in you.

Interesting data dump keep up the good work autistbro

Voucher studies show that "good schools" are statistically a myth, I'd say there's more nuance like that, but what matters here is not perfect theory but kind of phenomenology, the empirical data shows that good schools don't matter so here you go.

What's important however is the real effect of affirmative action. You see, it is made by the kind of people who believe education is everything. Now let's look at reality, from Steve Farrons "Affirmative action hoax":
>The average score in Prose Literacy (298) of blacks with post-graduate degree was lower than the level needed (304) to read a news article and identify a sentence that provides an interpretation of a situation. The average score of Document Literacy (285) of blacks with post-graduate degree was much lower than the level needed (314) to use a bus schedule to determine the appropriate bus for a given set of conditions. The average score of Quantitative literacy (285) of blacks with post-graduate degree was much lower than the level needed (308) to use a calculator to determine the discount from an oil bill if paid within 10 days.

So please tell me, would you allow a black surgeon perform surgery on you? Seeing that degrees below doctoral just have to have even less hoops to jump through, you can assume that this black civic engineer that designed your local bridge, which you only know because you're friends with local authorities is likely even worse than that. Will you trust his design?

We can forever cry about how the blacks are discriminated and sure, from a perspective of pencil pusher who never deals with the real world it's just and moral to give them some helping hand, but then you're back on the ground and your airplanes crash, bridges collapse and surgeons record themselves rapping and twerking on the operation table.

What do you mean they don't do this? They all do this. Unless you're hiring extremely cheap labor, most of the high skilled jobs are going to be mostly whites or Asians. Poos usually are just clean up duty at bigger companies.

>Settling for minimally qualified? Not taking the most qualified person regardless of race?

In the federal workforce. So, to outline a situation where this practice might be applicable, what would be the minimum requirement to collect trash in a municipality? Or to clarify what would be the minimum requirement for a garbageman?

>you think black people aren't capable of succeding by themselves, you racist!?

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Blacks and browns don't deserve access to white people. So fuck your affirmative action.
We owe blacks and browns nothing. We are going to send you all back or bury you.

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>people of crime
ftfy