Gen Xers used to consider 1998-2004 the downfall of pop culture and the cancerous teen pop / nu metal / trl / mike scully simpsons era. People kept saying "1993-1997 was the true 90s" or "That 98-99 pokemon britney nsync crap wasn't true 90s, felt more like proto-2000s".
But nowadays, you have people in their late 20s on Buzzfeed/Twitter saying 1998-2004 was the golden age of pop culture or "the 90sest era ever", and consider anything before 1998 to be outdated/overrated/not interesting for them. A complete reversal in opinions.
Right around the time Curt Cobain died was the end of it all. AIDS was in full effect for straight people. Women started asking for condoms. People stopped going out every night. The emergence of Boybands, Pop radio turned into 15 mins of Back Street boys every hour. The drinking age got raised to 21 form 18 (and that was a joke because you could easily get served at 16 with a $5 Fake ID) Mall culture died out Arcades starting closing Between 93-98 the smoking bans went into effect and along with AIDS put the final nail in the coffin of Bars and Clubs..
Yeah the 90s was a slow slide into nothingness. 98 sucked ass compared to 88.
Brayden Allen
I was born in 1985. Nostalgia fucking sucks. School was terrible, being forced to abide by retarded rules was bullshit, and being a retarded child is nothing I look back on fondly. People who have nostalgia are legit stupid fucks. They're still in their childhood but their childhood sucks now because people don't treat them as well. Fuck childhood. Ain't got time for that faggotry.
>The drinking age got raised to 21 form 18 That was 70s through 80s (it's a state issue, which explains why a range is required).
Elijah Perry
It really was. I'm an elder millennial, so I was friends with a bunch of older gen x people. Shit was getting....disappointing, as early as 98. It's a shame many of you are far too young to know what it was and how it felt. It was stupid and no one thought much of it, but when we realized it was gone, it was gone in a way that felt like being hit by a brick to your face. No one saw this coming.
Levi Watson
This, X Files on the TV, decent music, interwebs starting to come around. The 80's was still better than all of the 90's by far.
Benjamin Jones
USA changed so much after 9/11 it still blows my mind.
James Perez
Both are wrong, and both are based on an appeal to nostalgia. Zoomers will think that Minecraft and Call of Duty were the peak of civilisation. In reality, not even the Hellenistic period was "unjewed" and even before antiquity, things weren't that good (dark ages and plagues), but technology in general is bad and you've been brainwashed by it. Read Ted's manifesto. 9/11 didn't change anything, it's just when you grew up. Even if it didn't happen, the US would still intervene in the Middle East.
Dylan Morgan
turok 1 was better than turok 2 and golden eye was better than both of them
Jack Smith
>9/11 didn't change anything Completely changed airport security protocol overnight and no one even questioned it
Brayden Sanders
"the 90s" in the sense people use it, ended twice: once in 98, and once again in 08. The best way to describe the period between 98 and 08 is basically as "high tech 90s". By the end of 2008, the technology had already ruined the 90s feeling and with the advent of social media - completely destroyed it. Upon entering into 2010, the social perception of most people was already irreversibly warped by social media and the culture of the 90s was now considered social suicide - the music, the dressing style, the jokes, the movies, the behavior - everything disappeared as if it had never happened. Places like Jow Forums are perhaps the handful of artifacts remaining from that age, roughly approximating the behavior of pre-social media times, sadly soon to follow its natural path and shave off 95% of its user base by getting deplatformed and forced down to tor or wherever else, retiring its goal of influencing the modern society by trying to push it towards what was 20 years ago and instead living its final days in quiet retirement of the handful of people left who want to chat with each other under this "outdated" format of anonymous posters, ultimately ending up burried under the rubble of the antics of 1990-2008.
>9/11 didn't change anything It absolutely did change shit. For example, before 9/11 you could fly into Canada and back without issue. Shortly after you had to carry a passport or your birth certificate. That happened because of 9/11. If 9/11 hadn't happened, you could still fly without those documents. Something else it changed was the attitude toward muslims.
John Baker
I don't know, man. I'm 42 and consider 98-99 to be two of the best years for music. At least for indie/alt rock. Classics by Mercury Rev, Cake, Magnetic Fields, Wilco, Flaming Lips, Chemical Brothers, Dismemberment Plan, Blur and quite a few others I'm forgetting.
The movies and TV of that era were pretty damn good as well.
Jose Johnson
>9/11 didn't change anything lmao what that date will perhaps be considered "the day when the downward spiral began" by future generations. Not only did the US change considerably right then - everyone did, at least in the west.
Yeah yeah, that and the patriot act. I'm saying that it didn't change your entire life and that everything started to decline, I'm saying that the change is because that's when you grew up. They were already intervening in the Middle East (Afghanistan since 1979, Iraq with the First Gulf War). 90s pop culture is exactly the degeneracy and jewish consumerism that you despise.
Bentley Brown
Man, that image is brutal. Brutally redpilling, I mean.
Ayden Sullivan
The law was in 1987 and stated that you could not purchase. Anyone else could purchase for someone at a bar. On top of that almost ZERO bars were compliant. I was in the US Army at 17 and I drank wherever I wanted with my Army ID that said I was 17. Compliance Laws didn't come into effect until 1994-1997. So, for all intents and purposes you could drink easily at any bar until the mid 90s. Ask anyone that lived it.
Juan Perez
>it didn't change your entire life It did. I was in the military at the time. I was at Keesler Air Force Base for tech school. Even in training things were completely different for the military after 9/11. First off, we weren't allowed to use the phones unless we had family in NYC for the first 3 days or so (it took 3 days for people to contact their families, and people with family in NYC were given priority). We didn't go to class for like a week. When we did start going back to class, we had to be marched there by one of our MTLs (we were marched by fellow airmen before that). We had to check in at certain times. We couldn't go off base for a while, and then we couldn't go off base in uniform (which was a HUGE drag because of the tier system they used for those privileges). The random dorm inspections came more often. So on and so forth.
Just because YOU didn't see much of a change doesn't mean no one else did.
>90s pop culture is exactly the degeneracy and jewish consumerism that you despise Sure we know that. But it was the "spoonful of sugar" phase before the "oh God its awful" phase. We can hardly be blamed for wanting to go back to the only era we remember where our culture was digestible to us.
Thomas Gray
>It did. I was in the military at the time Of course. I'm saying that in the long run and for people outside the military, it didn't change much outside the patriot act and travel laws.
Kevin Hill
>Compliance Laws didn't come into effect until 1994-1997. Congress passed the law in 1988. The state to become compliant was Wyoming in July of 1988. This shit is easy to verify. Why not verify instead of open your mouth and remove all doubt? From the sounds of it, you were in Louisiana.. who had a grandfather clause.
Brody Williams
And of course, the wars still would've happened because of that. >But it was the "spoonful of sugar" phase before the "oh God its awful" phase No it wasn't. For boomers, it was the "oh God its awful phase". In just a few years, people will talk about Minecraft and Call of Duty being high culture since Gen Z is growing up.
Elijah Gomez
>tumblr kys, 90s ended on 9/11
Julian Green
Salient post but one disagreement. Jow Forums is as powerful as it has been since the early days. Gamergate turned this place into the barracks. They can comp it and try to stop it all they want but once the fires of rage have been lit, they are not easily put out.
Oliver Sullivan
You keep pushing those goal posts. People in New York City ABSOLUTELY changed the way they did shit.
>The state to become compliant was Wyoming in July of 1988. The LAST state, obviously.
Bentley Cook
>In just a few years, people will talk about Minecraft and Call of Duty being high culture since Gen Z is growing up
In 2009 /v/ joked about people looking fondly on Call of Duty Modern Warfare 2 and Halo 3. We are finally there.
Elijah Thomas
This. Speaking as a white American, 2008 heralded a profound disruption in the way of life most whites had experienced and had come to expect would always be. Suddenly, a negro was in the White House and white Americans were offered two positions: support him because he’s a negro, or oppose him because he’s a negro. (Which made them racists.) The “support” crowd is largely the radical left/Antifa/SJW crowd we know today, while the opposition would later propel Trump into office. I’m convinced that everything ties back to Obama. He subtly empowered and radicalized the left by virtue of his occupancy. He divided the nation in a way that no white president ever could.
Except, taking your shoes off at the airport, getting radiated and having your genitals patted down. Only ticketed passengers getting through security. Your family could no longer see you off. Checked baggage going from every 20th person to every single person.
Cooper Wright
What a fucking retard that you are, user. Britney Spears was top on the beginning. She was hot but coy enough and literally claimed to be a virgin.
Fuck you. The 90s ended with 9/11 in 2001.
Jayden Long
I was there in 2004, fuck the phase program.
Xavier Brooks
Satish is a retarded faggot because boy bands and teenie bopper pop music was already being made since the 80s. Peak civilization was from '92-'06 with the perfect balance of technology and old world values.
William Davis
>98 >France World Cup >Great Summer >Great Vibes >War in the Balkans were distinct and the media appeared to not take sides
>99 >Preparation to 2000 World Cup >Great Summer >Great Vibes >Preparation for the 2000 bug in a completely 90s vibe
What the fuck are you talking about?
Carson Cruz
No I'm not, my point from the beginning that 9/11 wasn't some "turning point" for peace and war. It didn't "make the west bad" because it already was, for a century. I concede my point regarding some things being changed like fucking airport travel and customs, but overall, that's it. Had 9/11 never happened, the Arab Spring still would've happened (which would mean war in Syria AND Iraq, but at the same time), and pop culture still would've continued being degenerate the same way it is today.
Juan Kelly
idk man might and magic 7 was good i guess
Leo Bell
>9/11 didn't change anything Old man here. Yes it did
in 98/99 there were only two good bands, Tool and Creed, after 2000 it was all nu-metal shit like Korn, Limp Bizkit, Linkin Park, etc, and there has been absolutely nothing good since then
Aiden Morgan
EXACTLY. I keep hearing about "OMG Halo 3 and MW2 nostalgia!" from young adults today.
Jonathan Nelson
Creed was fucking gay my man
Owen Lee
It's all about dat iceworld on CS1.5 my niggas
Lucas Long
Before 2001 an American was a white man, even though New York was dark as fuck already.
There were no constant appeals for whites to become dispossessed sissy bitches nor anything.
You are retarded. A lot of shit went down pretty fast after 9/11. Consider that it was in 2001 and the Iraq invasion was in 2003 - Afghanistan was before - Consider also that the Euro only became effective in 2002...
Nah,,, you're wrong user.
Levi Price
Nope not in Louisiana Mr. Millennial Wikipedia expert. There is a difference between purchase and drinking. States that did not comply got 8% less highway funds. No body cared what happened inside a bar. That is why they passed the NEXT law which was the Zero Tolerance Laws. I worked in NYC as a bartender in at least 25 clubs in 1991-1993 and I never carded anyone ever. No one did. That was the job of the Bouncer at the door. In 1996 they started asking bartenders to check ID's in NY.
Any swinging dick that went to clubs and bars in the early 90s will tell you, nobody carded unless you looked 12, but then you wouldn't have gotten into the club. I still have my fake ID from when I was 16. Worked every weekend, everywhere.
Nathaniel Long
Creed was post-grunge and they were at least better than most grunge bands like AiC, Pearl Jam, etc
Lucas Hall
>and drinking You've mentioned that twice now. No one has spoken a word about it EXCEPT you. I stopped reading there. Try your larping bullshit on someone else.
Lucas Ward
Yeah but that's only us and by "us" I mean like 5 to 10% of this site. The truth is that the vast majority of people here are one of these categories:
>uninvested newfags who came past 2014 and do not care if it goes down because they see reddit and discord as a legitimate substitute >incels-turned-normies who now blame this place for the shit life they lived and wouldn't mind it finally going away "for good" >bored oldfags who no longer care about anonymity, opposing the status quo or anything this place stands for and come here out of habit, also the same ones who LARP as being too mature for here
The people who truly believe in the core values of this place are not at all as many as you think they are, and take this from someone who again and again has made posts to test this and again and again was proven the exact same thing - a vast majority trying to lazily live off the memes and high-quality posts of a minority, with that majority having zero loyalty or investment in this place, just a desire to get their fast dopamine hit as if they're on youtube and then leave to do something else. All you need is to deplatform it just once and you'd shake most of them back to Jow Forums4chan and discord, and they wouldn't even try bothering going trough the length of browsing through zeronet or whatever else place we move to. The reality is quite depressing for Jow Forums and I wish that we never entered this timeline of deplatforming free speech, but here we are.
Adrian Morgan
How fucking retarded are you? Do you read or do you just spout stupid shit that you pull out of your loose nigger fucked stretched out ass? Do the yourself, your idiot parents and the world a favor and kill yourself you deranged nigger worshipping faggot.
Gavin Powell
Creed was derivative wanna be Christian rock. AIC was much better.
Levi Carter
I've got 100s of photos of me in bars with my friends at 17-20 years old in the late 80s and early 90s. I don't give two fucks what you Wikipedia is my source of fucking knowledge mouth breathers think. I worked in bars all through university in the 90s in NYC and LA. You have no clue what the fuck you are on about.
Kevin Baker
They had special rules for retards? What'd they make you do different?
Brandon Perez
>Before 2001 an American was a white man, even though New York was dark as fuck already. No, the civil rights movement already happened 40 years earlier. Talmudvision was already full of negroes doing good behaviour prior to the 90s and 80s. >There were no constant appeals for whites to become dispossessed sissy bitches nor anything. And was there so right after 9/11? No. If it didn't happen, we'd again still be on that highway. Consider picrel. >Consider that it was in 2001 and the Iraq invasion was in 2003 - Afghanistan was before - First Gulf War happened 10 years earlier already establishing animosity. If 9/11 didn't happen, overthrowing Saddam would just be part of the Arab Spring, like it was with Assad. The intervention in Afghanistan would've happened anyways to reestablish their frontier in Central Asia, because that's what they did before in 1979.
I feel my current PM and the Socialist take over of the opposition (supposedly non socialist) as well as its invitation of communists to an alliance - which were always cordoned off - and all this without even having won the elections is doing the same to my country.
Everybody knows the right will not win in the next 5 years. So, the socialists will even take their shit to another level. People are already talking in the open that things will go to shit and that this times things will become really violent really fast.
We're going from the most peaceful country in Europe into a pre civil war in 10 years because that fucking animal...
Agreed. I don't remember how long I was there* but I think it was around 6 months... and I only got to go off base 1 time. My first time ever in a tattoo parlor. Then 9/11 happened.. and I couldn't get out of phase 1/2 because I kept getting caught smoking in uniform lol
* - I was reclassed from another tech school because of color vision issues. I had to wait around up there for a while, then they flew me down to Keesler and I had to do more waiting to be put into a class. The timing of those events is blurry for me.
Jack Turner
That pic will give me nightmares, user. But it has opened my eyes. Keep posting it.
Angel Kelly
Gen Xer who was actually tuned into the zeitgeist and knows what the fuck he's talking about, here. The 90s began with "Smells Like Teen Spirit", and ended with 911™.
No, I'm just telling the truth here. There were no "based 90s" or "based 80s" or anything before that, when you think about it it's just based on an appeal to nostalgia. And you can't call me a nigger worshipper when it's your country that freed the slaves without deporting them, and started the civil rights movement. Your country has one of the largest negro diasporas in the world.
Connor Russell
92-96 was kino >no real internet for normies >peak for most music >best games were out or literally a few months away >decent economy with good paying jobs >optimism for the future
I can't be arsed to care anymore. Here in the 10-20s. Weimerica has no culture or character. Only multicultural mish mash and social media garbage. And that's all it will be until the end.
Brandon Sullivan
>well, it's worse now, therefore 90s were a golden age! Shut up. The flight plan was the same, 90s culture was degenerate and would lead to more degeneracy. How many cartoons have you seen dating back to the 50s have had excessive amounts of crossdressing (a la Bugs Bunny)? How much of the media and pop culture portrayed negroes as behaving very well or in a positive light after the civil rights movement? The "golden age" that you venerate so much led to our modern degeneracy.
Eli Sullivan
Also, ironic you call me a swamp-kike while Portugal has one of the largest racial jewish population in the world (they converted to Catholicism, but stayed jews racially as you can't transform your blood).
Cooper Roberts
I love the strokes even though they grew up as spoiled rich kids.
Daniel Evans
And just because it changed for YOU doesn't mean it changed for EVERYBODY. 9/11 didn't change shit for me. Dead serious. I sat in front of the TV eating McDonald's pancakes during the attacks. Went to work that night. Came home. Went back to work. Did my laundry. And so on and so forth. No. What fucked my life up was moving to the Philippines in 2005. My own damned fault, not Ahji Ahab Abdul Paula, or whatever the fuck that psycho's name was.
Justin Richardson
Don’t worry, we’ll migrate to Urbit soon I will be distributing invites once it’s mature enough for our community of brainlets
Hunter Walker
I meant that in the 90s when someone thought of an American he thought of an average white guy of Northwestern European extraction. And that was normal.
Nowadays we see Americans as the most diverse sort of Brazilianmutts and that is what passes for normal, otherwise its racist.
In the 90s we knew that some Americans were bad to niggers, through tv and media. Today we know that all white americans must be killed, through tv and media.
First Gulf War was a response to an Iraqi invasion of Koweit. Are you being a shill or something?
>muh Afghanistan What? It was the Soviets. Why the fuck would any one attack irrelevant Afghanistan if not to put bases "behind" Iran with the excuse of 9/11?
Jonathan James
Music died in the 1970s. The 90's renaissance was just an attempt to tap back into the 60's and 70's
Julian Diaz
Every generation thinks they invented nostalgia.
Aaron Johnson
>Read Ted's manifesto. I like the part where he says the destruction of technology is more important that the preservation of your people. lol
It's not about being based. It's that the culture and people around that time were much more "humane" and "healthy" and "normal" than they are today.
And much noticeably so. Why are you even denying that? What is your agenda? I'm genuinely curious...
Adrian Gutierrez
I was at the 338th, it was like 7 months of pure bullshit. We used to smoke in this one guy’s car. Got phased back + RMT once for sleeping through a formation.
Jackson Taylor
The memes will still flow down from these places and influence culture as they did before this place exploded in the 2014 era. Even when it was far less of the household name it is now. This is because those normies you refer to are ultimate consumers of memes and ideas while we are producers. The consumers will always have the desire for content and the elite few here will always find ways to shape public discussion via trickle down.
We do not need a huge portion of the population to ascribe to this place at that level for us to still have a big impact. This is a concept called "force projection" and has been necessary for every guerilla and underground social movement ever.
Normies didnt get radicalized because this place is here and we tricked them, they felt radical thoughts and didnt how to express them and came seeking more from the places that seemed to best express that no matter how far removed from the places they were used to going.
The memes must flow.
Jaxon Rodriguez
Sorry bro. The world doesn't revolve around your shit country. When America would stop existing tomorrow nobody would give a shit and continue living. Perhaps a better life than before.
Parker Scott
Because males in women's clothing was a joke. It was funny. It was something to mock.
Now it's "normal".
Anthony Walker
>muh bing bing wahoos
Alexander Hughes
>Also, ironic you call me a swamp-kike while Portugal has one of the largest racial jewish population in the world (they converted to Catholicism, but stayed jews racially as you can't transform your blood).
>Look at me >I'm the Netherlands now >The post
Kayden Morales
See What is your agenda, user?
Asher Hall
What was /v/ fond of the time.
Mason Watson
>meme flag >data mining question fuck off buzzfeed writer
John Kelly
>Hurr durr, what r straw man? Perhaps you misread. That person was saying it didn't change for anyone. See the specific words I quoted in the response YOU are responding to? Here, I'll take a screenshot for you. See pic related. Does this help you to realize how much of a retard you are?
I was thinking about this the other day. Why does CCR, The Doors, Stones, etc have such staying power, while a majority of music from the 80s till today was forgotten within a month of its release? Is there some truth to the ties between Laurel Canyon and glowniggers? Maybe it planted that shit deep into the American psyche.
>I meant that in the 90s when someone thought of an American he thought of an average white guy of Northwestern European extraction. And that was normal. >Nowadays we see Americans as the most diverse sort of Brazilianmutts and that is what passes for normal, otherwise its racist. How was 20 years ago different from today? Foreigners still see America as a white country (regardless of what they push or not), and Americans still push that negroes and spics are considered quintessentially American, >In the 90s we knew that some Americans were bad to niggers, through tv and media. Bravo, some Americans were bad to niggers. It doesn't explain how much niggers were actors in the media and in Hollywood. It doesn't explain how much shitskins that Disney had in their 90s cartoons (in Hercules, which is supposed to be Greek/Roman mythology). The multiracial agenda was being pushed 20 years ago as it was now, just in a lower profile. >First Gulf War was a response to an Iraqi invasion of Koweit. Ah yes, the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait where the daughter of the Kuwaiti ambassador to the US showed how bad Saddam's forces were doing there with no real agenda to push. >It was the Soviets. Why the fuck would any one attack irrelevant Afghanistan if not to put bases "behind" Iran with the excuse of 9/11? The Americans literally supported Osama bin Laden in Afghanistan against the Soviets. Now 20 years later, the army that he helped took it over, and were now starting to make it "less free" yet it was still in conflict with the Tajik "northern alliance", and he was still there. They would still find an excuse to invade and "free" Afghanistan. Look at Somalia, in the Cold War, they were an American ally. Then, they turned against America in the 90s, and the Americans launched a war there, and they're still drone-bombing it today.
Landon Gutierrez
>no time for faggotry >posts anime Candy ass roody poo
Isaiah Jackson
>Why does CCR, The Doors, Stones, etc have such staying power, while a majority of music from the 80s till today Because boomers run society and market everything to themselves duh. It's not that shit is better or any more well remembered by people under 45 it's just our entire society is built for people over 45
Hudson Anderson
98-2004 was a golden age of pop culture. It was the media crossroads of the new millennium. There was so much money in everything from movies, music, tv, video games, and it was even the last hurrah for print media like books, magazines, etc. It was also the birth of high speed internet, and all the wonders that brought.
Austin Miller
I got 1 day of RMT once. I lost my wallet. Inside my wallet, of course, was my military ID. This was RIGHT AFTER 9/11 - maybe a week. Holy fuck my MTL went off on me as if I had bombed his children. In fact, he LITERALLY said he was going to murder me if a terrorist got my ID and murdered his children. So anyway, while they were interrogating me they asked where the last place I remembered having it was. I told them I was at the club at the end of the dorm buildings (I forget what it's called.. I think we may've just called it "the W"). They asked what I was doing with it. I told them I withdrew $5 from the ATM. They called me a liar. They said you couldn't withdraw $5 from an ATM. The MTL screaming and yelling about his kids decided to go try for himself after I wouldn't give in. So he went to the ATM, then comes back with a receipt showing he withdrew $10. I was sent to RMT for that.
Later I found my wallet behind the desk in my room. First thing I did was went to the ATM and withdrew $5 to prove to myself that I wasn't insane. I had no issues withdrawing $5.
Gabriel Rodriguez
And your piece was retarded bullshit. Good job.
Alexander Carter
Being a kid sucked. Maybe other people forgot all the faggotry of growing up, or maybe they never grew up and are still children reminiscing about those 1/100 times they enjoyed their lives enough to make memory pathways in their brains of the events. I'd much rather be alive now. Shit's funnier, life is my chill, I do what I want, and I can pursue all sorts of interesting shit. And all the media from "back then" in the 90s worth caring about is readily available FOR FREE thanks to bittorrent. Fuck the 90s and fuck "nostalgia".
