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Hail Odin

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STOP SPAMMING OUR FUCKING BOARD YOU SACKS OF FUCKING SHIT

What is creation?
>God must be first understood as an ideal state of existence. Departure from God is to be considered a degradation. For example, Dante describes the Catholic understanding of a hierarchy of hell where the noble pagans reside closest to God (but not with God) and the traitors lie furthest from God. Fundamentally, since the creation is distinct from God, it must be a degradation & thus, imperfect & susceptible to corruption.
>It must be recognized that if God was all that existed prior to creation, then creation must be a derivative of God. From what else could God have created anything but his own essence? This is the "body" of God.

Why does evil exist?
>What is evil? Is that which is natural to be considered evil? Is predation evil?
>One should be weary in conflating order and justice with that of evil. If the predator does not check the prey, the prey shall overpopulate itself and destroy others.
>As for evil, the term should be limited to the malevolence of man.
>Why then is man evil or has the unique capacity for evil? We must first explore why man is unique. We will return to this question.

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The uniqueness of man.
>Man enjoys a special place in creation and has a special relationship with God. Like creation, he is of the body of God. Like the beasts, he has the breathe of God. However, he is unique as he was made in "God's image" and was granted the gift of reason, the "mind of God".
>When Adam names the beasts, he expresses his authority over creation, but also accepts the burden of responsibility. Relative to creation, man is the nearest to God, the most "God-like" of creation.
>What demonstrates this principle is man's own capacity to create. In this respect, through reason, man is truly in "the image of God". Just as God is man's creator, man, too, is a creator and like God. However, it must be stressed that man's authority is limited to the degraded creation. Because man is in the image of God and possesses the creative essence, reason, he convinces himself that he is the greatest being. This divine essence, the "mind of God", could be understood to be consciousness.
>Because man is conscious, he can fathom morality. Animals do not contemplate whether or not they should destroy one another. They merely abide by their nature which maintains order.
>Man, on the other hand, contemplates good and evil. Man can both recognize that theft is evil, yet chooses to commit it. But man can also choose to give to charity at his own material expense.

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But evidently, man has caused such great suffering in this world. Why is this state of being preferrable to a perfectly maintained order dictated by God?
>Man is God's greatest creation. God intended a special purpose for man and maintains such a relationship.

I ask which is greater: a man who cannot choose but to love God, or a man who has a choice, yet chooses to love God out of his own will?

>Naturally, the greater creation is the conscious man, the man with the knowledge of both good and evil, the man who chooses God over himself. For this reason, man is greater than the angels. The angels, being so proximal to God, cannot deny the glory of God and in this respect, lack the choice to hate God or to disbelieve God.
>However, unlike the angels, man is created from the dirt of the Earth and of the degraded creation. Because of this departure from God and heaven, man is susceptible to corruption and decay.
>Before man can choose good, evil must first be recognized to exist.
>Can good exist without evil and vice versa? Is not good the antonym, the opposite, of evil? To put it numerically, 1 cannot exist without -1.
>Because good can be chosen, so can evil. For good to exist at all and to be experienced, evil, unfortunately, must simultaneously exist alongside that which is good. There is no other possible conclusion. Man cannot seek out the knowledge of good without evil. God maintains the knowledge of good and evil and understands it. He chooses to be good for he is the ideal.
>For this reason, the greatest creation, this loving relationship, mutual, between God and man, evil must exist.

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Man's First Sin: Pride.
>Because man recognizes his own unique position atop the hierarchy of creation, he is especially susceptible to self-aggrandizing. What other beast commands the capacity for creation? What other beast contemplates good and evil?
>And what of "God"? How can God be greater than man if he does not exist within creation? In fact, how can man rely on anything but his own reason? With reason, man can solve, create, and fathom his own place in the universe. Why is a god, any god, necessary? Or so man asks himself.
>Man's first sin, pride, comes from his denial of God. The mere existence of an ideal, God, shines of light of humility upon all who recognizes his glory. This immediately vanquishes pride.
>In his self-absorbtion, man declares his reason to be absolute. Everything can be accomplished with reason and nothing can be accomplished without it. Yet, he forgets that his body is of material and is a degradation. His reason is not absolute, yet his is able to fool himself into believing it is.

The Denial of God
>Man becomes his own god. This is the unmistakable creed of the atheist. He begins to worship himself and satiates his body at the expense of his own soul, his sanity, and what good remains of himself. His pleasures soon come at the expense of others and thus, disorderly violence emerges throughout creation wherever man be.

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The Flood
>Because man became so wicked, order must be returned to nature.
>God is the ideal and is the embodiment of what we understand as the virtues.
>While "goodness" may be a virtue, there is an undeniable hierarchy to virtues.
>If a man could only be "good", he may unwittingly reward that which is evil. Pure goodness cannot truly be good is it can reward evil. Evil must be dealt with by justice. Justice returns order to chaos.
>Therefore as a virtue, justice is ultimately superior to good.
>For this reason, God is a just God before he is a loving God. While God is without a doubt loving, he cannot be loving without first being just. No healthy relationship can be built without justice. Without order from justice, every relationship would then descend into abuse and chaos.
>Because of this, God, metaphorically, swallows the Earth in a great flood. The great flood was a direct response to the wickedness of man. Through chaos, man provoked the forcible return to order. Order is the divine state of nature and cannot be denied.

You reap the seeds with which you have sewn.

God bless.

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>our

Bullshit.

Heilir Aesir!

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A well reasoned rebuke. I appluad thee.

This

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I wonder why we evolved a processing center within the brain for religious experience

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If knowledge of God prohibits the angels from acting in evil ways, doesn’t that make the evil acts of man wholly dependent on ignorance?
If evil men knew God, they couldn’t be evil, just like the Angels right?
Or do you mean something else when you say, “lack the choice?”

>expecting effort to be put into responding to copypasta assertions
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>Implying
Jow Forums is a Christian board

religious experience probably increases evolutionary fitness through increasing tribal unity. religion also probably caused settlement to become more common due to primitive important religious locations being established or artificial religious importance doted upon naturally important locations for human habitation.

Yes. Ignorance of others causes apathy and vicious behavior, ignorance of self encourages vile living habits and pleasures, ignorance of cause and effects creates mistakes and wrong choices, and ignorance of God leads to moral decay and animality.

>animality
Sweet

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Go hump a monkey fag

With none of the perks and all of the disadvantage over Man, nigger.

lolwut?

Is there a non-papist version of this one yet?

fear makes you illogical, who would have thought?

By your logic we should worship The Hulk. If looking bad ass is you only criteria.

Doesn’t that mean that our free will, our “choice” to believe in God is actually just a measure of our knowledge versus our ignorance?
If there were a definite way to know God, wouldn’t this lay our salvation or damnation at God’s feet? Surely no one should be damned for eternity because God didn’t find room in his plan for enlightenment.

Better than being a christ-cuck.

That "animality" I speak off has no perk except the need to sate your HUMAN perceptions. As in, your weak, frail body's hormonal receptors.
Animality is shit in philosophy, especially during Classical Antiquity.

Maybe your body is weak and frail, but speak for yourself christ-cuck.

You can know of God, but that knowledge can never be complete pre-transfiguration.
Hence why it's the ONLY decision in your life relying on faith and why it's so important: the rest can be dug upon, not this. Do you trust God enough, or do you reject Him for not being able to contemplate Him fully like you do a chair?

One feeding his own vices will always be frail.

One who takes fairy tales seriously will be frail, especially cuck fairy tales.

Let's go back to our containment thread so we don't anger the mods.

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10 Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might.

11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.

12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.

14 Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;

15 And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;

16 Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.

17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:

18 Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;

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How repugnantly naive of you. Exactly the kind of thing you expect to come from a Christian.

Better than? So you would rather worship a made up religion because your a low iq moron and doesn't understand the bible. Your going to burn.

Says the meme flag

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Bet you're a real Overman then, uh, big guy?

/christian/ was a community of wholesome and good people... basically the opposite of the rest of 8ch

All religions are made up.

>christian
>wholesome and good
Until someone doesn't believe in their sky daddy.

Yes most religious people know this. Thanks for the none contribution

Look at what I was replying to.

There ya go.

They were trinitarians, and anyone who wasn't catholic was shunned. It was a terrible place

kill every christcuck

If you wanna drink semen, so be it. But don't get us involved in your degeneracy

If you died today do you know for sure you're going to Heaven?

Here's how you can know for certain: youtu.be/WDEBz25lGdY

1 John 5:13
These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
>that ye may know that ye have eternal life

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>kike book with no citation

fuck off

Yeah I saw it.

What ever you say semen drinker

Yep totally. ((They)) who took control of the all industries in the world and are currently designing the 3rd temple for the anti Christ and have already made the crown for him. But yeah what would they know totally no God at all. This country is much better with Godless degenerates I love it!

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>drink semen
Lol. What are you even saying?

More than two billion people profess to be Christian. Most belong to churches that teach the Trinity—the doctrine that the Father, the Son, and the holy spirit together form one God. How did the Trinity become an official doctrine? More important, is this teaching in harmony with the Bible?

THE Bible was completed in the first century C.E. Teachings that led to the development of the Trinity began to be officially formulated in 325C.E.—more than two centuries later—at a council in the city of Nicaea in Asia Minor, now Iznik, Turkey. According to theNew Catholic Encyclopedia,the creed attributed to the Council of Nicaea set out the first official definition of ‘Christian orthodoxy,’ including the definition of God and Christ. Why, though, was it deemed necessary to define God and Christ centuries after the Bible was completed? Is the Bible unclear on these important topics?

IS JESUS GOD?

When Constantine became sole ruler of the Roman Empire, professed Christians were divided over the relationship between God and Christ. Was Jesus God? Or was he created by God? To settle the matter, Constantine summoned church leaders to Nicaea, not because he sought religious truth, but because he did not want religion to divide his empire.

“To us there is but one God, the Father.”—1Corinthians 8:6,King James Version

Constantine asked the bishops, who may have numbered into the hundreds, to come to a unanimous accord, but his request was in vain. He then proposed that the council adopt the ambiguous notion that Jesus was “of one substance” (homoousios) with the Father. This unbiblical Greek philosophical term laid the foundation for the Trinity doctrine as later set forth in the church creeds. Indeed, by the end of the fourth century, the Trinity had essentially taken the form it has today, including the so-called third part of the godhead, the holy spirit.

I'm not Catholic and I never had any issues there.

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I don't believe the angels are the ones capable of choice. For this reason, man is superior to the angelic.

WHY SHOULD YOU CARE?

Jesus said that “the true worshipers will worship the Father with ... truth.” (John 4:23) That truth has been recorded in the Bible. (John 17:17) Does the Bible teach that the Father, the Son, and the holy spirit are three persons in one God?

For one thing, the Bible does not mention the word “Trinity.” For another, Jesus never claimed to be equal to God. Instead, Jesus worshipped God. (Luke 22:41-44) A third line of evidence concerns Jesus’ relationship with his followers. Even after he was raised from the dead to the spirit realm, Jesus called his followers “my brothers.” (Matthew 28:10) Were they brothers of Almighty God? Of course not! But through their faith in Christ—God’s preeminent Son—they too became sons of the one Father. (Galatians 3:26) Compare some additional scriptures with the following statement from the creed attributed to the Council of Nicaea.

What the Nicene Creed says:

“We believe ... in one Lord Jesus Christ ... that is of the substance of the Father, God of God, Light of Light, very God of very God.”

What the Bible says:

“My Father isgreaterthan I [Jesus].”—John 14:28.*

“I [Jesus] ascend untomy Father,and your Father, and tomy God,and your God.”—John 20:17.

“To us there is butone God,the Father.”—1Corinthians 8:6.

“Blessed bethe God and Fatherof our Lord Jesus Christ.”—1Peter 1:3.

“These things saith the Amen [Jesus], ... the beginning of thecreation of God.”—Revelation 3:14.*

QUICK FACTS:

“The Nicene Creed is actually not the product of the First Council of Nicea (325) ... but of the First Council of Constantinople (381),” saysThe New Westminster Dictionary of Church History.

“The Council of Nicea in 325 stated the crucial formula for [the yet future Trinity] doctrine in its confession that the Son is ‘of the same substance ... as the Father.’”—Encyclopædia Britannica.

Listen to this.

Strawman

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Bless you, user

Well, I you had a radically different time than me

>IS JESUS GOD?

No. He was literally some Jewish guy who was crucified by the Romans.

You worship a kike on a stick who commands (in scripture) that you lay down and roll over while evil men kick the ever living shit out of you. It's no wonder we're all so fucked right now.

He never said lay down and die. Your a gay nigger now burn.

The Catholic church is the Whore of Babylon. The protestant sects and the University are her harlot daughters. Churches are corporations riding the beast system. We are on our own until we can create something better.

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Some advice going forward since so few dare reply.

Accept a NAP with NatSoc, don't evangelize in their threads. Many of them are us and many of them aren't actually them. For example

Memeflags are to be avoided. They are usually hiding their country of origin (though of course even these can be faked using a VPN) The worst offenders of these are Muslims who as you know are deeply degenerate as you can see by their strict religious background. Real Muslims would n e v e r use 4ch, therefore the ones here come to fap to degenerate material and ease their guilt by attacking Christians. They can be smoked out by their knowledge of Scripture which is always weak since they don't even follow their Koran

Second most numerous attackers are Poos. They are actual pagans (NEOPAGANISM is semantics only) and besides coming for the degeneracy, their main draw, many of them support NatSoc because of its reliance on the term Aryan. Any sensible person knows they would be immediate death camped should another Reich arise. They are not sensible.

The so-called Neopagans are usually homosexuals or at least this is their core believers in the self created fairy tales only based on archaelogy and their own mental illnesses. There are NatSoc will to power Varg inspired Europeans that will attack though generally IMO they should be unanswered. They will inevitably swing back once introduced to their core group that I've mentioned. They are our people after all anyway.

Last in my estimation are the oldfags atheists and underaged edgelord memers. Reason and historical precedents are helpful and their study rewarding though these enemies are best left for pedestrian secularists to tangle with since ironically their science is their biggest flaw.

Remember you represent Christ in genuine Christian threads. False piety is embarrassing but glory should be given. Politeness is a must even to the worst anons, as possible. We will know nonChristians from their choice of words, remember that

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>He never said lay down and die.

Oh yes he did.

(Matthew 16:24-25)

"Then Jesus said to his disciples, “Whoever wants to be my disciple MUST DENY THEMSELVES take up their cross and follow me. For whoever wants to save their life WILL LOSE IT, but whoever LOSES THEIR LIFE for me will find it."

Also the entire passage below. Good luck "interpreting" your way out of that one.

(Matthew 5:38-48)

I'm gay. Why do I go to hell through no choice of my own? You guys need another reform

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You already know Jow Forums post 2012 is a shitpile because no one made any good rule 34's of christ chan

Your either a retard or a troll.

>KYS
>t. Jesus
Is Christianity a suicide cult?

>no choice of my own
Celibacy is your only choice until YOU are reformed, same as with adulterers, pimps, prostitutes and the like. If you don't achieve personal reformation at least your soul will be saved if Grace allows it. Any "church" that bends to the will of homosexuals is no longer Christian. Your lot preys on children, expect no mercy from sane individuals Christian or otherwise. May God help you in your "no choices." /free advice
Thanks for the ear, brethren. Welcome back, Christchan

(Matthew 5:39)

"don't resist an evil person"

Go ahead. Tell me why I'm wrong.

because religious people have an advantage in the past to breeding, the same with all evolutionary traits.

Stupid! The prostitute of Babylon is the Talmud, born in Babylon by the descendants of the Pharisees who openly rejected Jesus Christ. The corruption of the institution of the church is part of the devil's plan to separate us from the Truth.

That was a lot of nothing user. Not very convincing

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Yeah that does appear to be the case. When we ignore the actions of "the Church" and "Christians" throughout history. Disregard all that crap. And instead we focus exclusively on Christ himself, who is the Word of God. In that case yes his commandments are suicidal in practice.

Well lads, I think I'm ready to begin my journey with Jesus Christ. First things first. I'm gonna try to purify my body.

According to Luke 2, Jesus was born and then circumcised when he was 8 days old in accordance with the commandment from God in Leviticus 12, the 3rd book of the Torah and also the Old Testament. Jesus said in Matthew 5 that "UNTIL HEAVEN AND EARTH PASS AWAY", he would not destroy the law or prophets of the torah, and would not change a single line from the law. Not a single line. Circumcision of course is among those commandments in the law.

On the other hand, Pharisee Saul of Tarsus, who later became known as Paul the Apostle to the Gentiles (and not one of the original 12 apostles who lived with Jesus) clearly said being circumcised didn't matter in 1 Corinthians 7. "Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing". But obviously the word of the risen Lord Jesus himself will trump the opinion of Saul all day, any day.

I'm gonna err on the side of caution and cut just a little foreskin off my penis.

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The fact that you equate rolling over and letting someone kick the shit out of you and not defending yourself to that bible passage is stretching your point by a mile its almost as if your just desperately searching for a reason to hate God. Deep down you know that your angry and wrong maybe subconsciously. But you think you feel fulfilled and awakened but really and honestly you feel alone and meaningless like so many others. Come back to God he wants your love so he can send his love to you.

Basically you are insane, like pedophiles or psychopaths. As long as you do not sin against your body with degenerate behavior, Jesus will receive you in paradise.

Are you from the cripplechan board that calls anyone who's not a cuck an idolator?

So a psychopath can't heaven? This is getting dumber each post. Next you're gonna start talking about how being physically disabled blocks you from heaven.

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what street corner to you preach the good news?

Matthew 22:9 Go ye therefore into the highways, and as many as ye shall find, bid to the marriage.

Luke 14:23 23 And the lord said unto the servant, Go out into the highways and hedges, and compel them to come in, that my house may be filled.

Acts 7:48 Howbeit the most High dwelleth not in temples made with hands; as saith the prophet,

Those laws only apply to Jews, not you.
Galatians 5:2
>Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.

You can many scriptures on it, keep your foreskin

No, OP is bait. There are people in this thread from /christian/ though.
Also, Hail Freyja.

>almost as if your just desperately searching for a reasons to hate God

On the contrary. My reasons for hating Christ are clear and well reasoned. Not random, ignorant, or deranged as you suggest.

Christ turns strong men into pacifists who forgive their enemies instead of hating them and fighting them.

I know this is true because I have seen it countless times first hand.

(Matthew 5:39)
"don't resist an evil person"
"If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also"
"And if anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, hand over your coat as well"
"If anyone forces you to go one mile, go with them two miles"
"Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you"
"love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you"
"that you may be children of your Father in heaven"