The Landlord Question

once again libertarians and their astroturf ideology show just how much they give a shit about working class people.

go lick lazy parasitic billionaire and trust fund kid feet you autistic libertarian faggots

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There is a reason why Adam Smith argued land lords are just parasites who live off the work of others and leech from peoples suffering.

That being said the same free market solution that would increase home ownership would also decrease rents. more residential zoning or even abolishing of zoning laws.

Economics is hard isn't it?

Meanwhile you'd just make all housing free putting every man WORKING to build and maintain structures out of a income. You then have the gal to claim you are for the working class. Fuck you stupid nigger in your ivory tower acting as though you know what's best for those you deem beneath you. Sometimes you need to realize that the best way to help is to do nothing at all. For example you could stop posting and magically the quality of this board will increase.

There have been some land developers on local radio trying to say its impossible to build in California...

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Adam Smith was a faggot. Why should you not be allowed to do with your property what you want? Where does it stop and begin. Should land owners be allowed to remodel their houses and sell them? Should land owners not be allowed to build a house and sell it? Should a land owner not be allowed to create a hotel?
>waaah I'm a stupid faggot and don't want to pay rent
Land lords give young people incredibly cheap housing as they gather funds to buy a house.

Because its true. Too many regulations and to make it worse communist have made it renters paradise. It not even worth all the trouble. Why even bother building a giant condo creating more living space and lowering competition for housing thus lowering price when you'll just be fucked in the ass.

Every time some politician talks about increasing housing density in Los Angeles some schizo like Grindall61 comes out and says "its a plan by the UN to put you in FEMA camps."

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True. Maybe a day will come where the poor start slaughtering the landlords.

>Land lords give young people incredibly cheap housing as they gather funds to buy a house.

They rob people of the otherwise excess wealth they'd use to get their own property. Short term profiteering, that will in a long run eat up wealth from the overall economy.

Landlord doesn't produce anything. He doesn't employ people he just collects payments.

>waaah I'm too lazy to work or too stupid to start an valuable enterprise.

Fuck off faggot.

>The real problem is that
Mexico is for Mexicans but retards keep letting more of them into America.

Thats absurd. Of course you can build and that is why its now solid housing from Santa Monica to the 15 freeway. Places like Upland used to be rural and far from the city.

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Its impossible because california zoning laws. Its also apparently hard/impossible here in certain areas. Not because there is any realworld obstacles but because rentlords and their lobby groups start throwing hissyfits if you try.

Most landlords bought their land years ago and keep it in the family. The profit should be capped especially if they paid it off man times over.

If these people had their way it would solid housing from LA to Bakersfield to Victorville. A massive city that would take 5-6 hours to escape.

>Why should you not be allowed to do with your property what you want? Where does it stop and begin. Should land owners be allowed to remodel their houses and sell them?

>Implying people should be allowed to own land.
ISHYGDDT

Move to a 3rd world shithole if it costs too much for you. I mean fucking john mcafee made bank and he still moved to a 3rd world shithole but that's mostly because he wanted to take over a town, fuck a harem of hookers, and develop a new drug.

>Why should you not be allowed to do with your property what you want?
Because you are not your own nation. If you want to do anything at all then declare independence and fight the former government for control.
>Where does it stop and begin.
It stops at the constitution that limits the laws a government can make and starts with the democratic process that wants to make laws.

Not my ideal either but atleast there would be supply of cheap housing.

>Something has to be done about these profiteers. Seniors in a mobile home park live on a fixed income.

Rent control would only further decease the supply of housing and paradoxically raise real housing prices on these seniors; landlords would simply create a black market for housing outside of the official rate, as has occurred in other rent controlled polities such as New York City. The ONLY effective way to lower housing prices is to increase the amount of housing stock, and this can only be achieved by eliminating the insane government red tape that exists in California.

For an actual example of this, see Tokyo. The most populous city in the world is actually rather affordable to live in despite its continuing growth. The average rent for a two bedroom is $1000, and has remained at this level for the past decade. The reason for this is that Japan has possibly the most liberal zoning laws in the world (you can build a house pretty much anywhere), has small minimum plot requirements, and little to no government permitting or red tape for new construction as in say San Fran or London. More new homes were constructed in Tokyo in 2018 than all of New York, Los Angeles, Boston and Houston combined for the same year.

I think a person should be able to do with their land what they want. I do agree that renting is ok. What I don't particularly care for is the idea that these people don't have to pay to keep others from taking their land and it's the poor people that subsidize it. Honestly private police is much more moral than public police. If we were to abolish public police as a socialized system protecting these lands then it would cost the people charging exorbitant amounts for the land/house thus putting them out of business and into the poor mans shoes if they didn't drop the price to a fair market value despite their purchasing it during a bubble.

I think we need to be serious about managing growth. Its irresponsible to pretend infinite growth is possible. Nobody wants to hear that.

Based

>see Tokyo
Tokyo is dogshit. This is not a example of how to live.

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>Land lords give young people incredibly cheap housing as they gather funds to buy a house.

the monthly rent vs the monthly mortgage on the same property you will find that mortgage monthly payment is much cheaper, with rent you are buying the house for the landlord and making him/her a profit on top of it

the landlord provides a product in this case an apartment. No one is stopping you from getting a tent or making a lean-to...if you want to be warm and dry when you sleep with a secure place to keep your stuff...that costs money.

>Its impossible to build in Califoirna.

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>Nobody wants to hear that.

No shit. Acknowledging that would mean acknowledging that all of our economic models, even the green socialist utopia, is in the end a zero sum -game where there are winners and losers. Both capitalism and socialism would seize to be attractive and apathy, anarchy and chaos would reign supreme if you'd do that. Basically you'd take away the only thing that makes wage-cucked losers go on. They'd had no hope of a better life and nothing is more dangerous than a man with nothing to lose.

You are a pathetic faggot who kisses the feet of rich kikes in the vain hope you will one day be one of them.

I think socialism can promise a stable future just not one where you can hope to be like Monopoly man and gradually buy up everything so you can look down on your neighbors.

>...that costs money.

preaching to the choir, who do you think pays the landlords bills, sherlock?

Yes, paying $3.5k/mo for a 2BR apartment in SF is so much better. Tokyo should be more like them, there isn't nearly enough human excrement and used heroin needles on the sidewalks in Tokyo.

No it can't. Socialism with its lofty goals of equality and higher standard of living for all requires infinite resources even more than Porky Monopoly-man capitalism. In the absence of infinite resources you have to decide how the finite resources are used and that means you're just replacing the capitalist with unelected party bureaucrats.

>human excrement and used heroin needles on the sidewalks
That keeps the property value from really going up. Besides this is because SF does not enforce the law.

They own the fucking building, they're letting you live there, they get to set the price.

>keep lobbying for more immigration
>demand for housing/resources go up, so the prices of these things go up
>bonus: workers have to compete for jobs so now employers can pay them fuck all

Gee whiz who saw that coming?
Leftists can be conned into shilling for this because "fuck borders! let in more people and more votes for me!"
Lolberts can be conned into pushing it because "i love free markets and freedom and sniffing my own farts and being a retard"

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What is the point of protecting land jews?

I'm not protecting anyone. Just pointing out that the people who own the building/land get to set the price to live there, just as you have the right to refuse the price.

Voluntary exchange. Capitalism. Good.

>Capitalism. Good.

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isn't price gouging illegal?

What price gouging?

>Its business that's all it is.

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You're the one who brought it up, where is the price gouging you're referring to?

he didn't bring it up, I did

you mentioned you can set price at whatever you want

that's not true

water food and land are pillars of society, they are needs, not wants, were not talking about whatever vices you blow your money on

you can exploit many things but legally you cant do it with these

Alright my bad, I figured "Private property" included the land you owned. But I guess the government always has to step in and meddle.

The ownership of the land you live on should be protected.

Want to solve this issue.

1: Land value tax

2: Make land use regulations illegal

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with a mortgage you are buying the house from the bank which they profit off of. you are also responsible for taxes, insurance and maintenance. nice argument.

But if I allow people to live there for a monthly fee suddenly the government needs to be involved?

It wouldn't be so bad if they actually did what they were supposed to and weren't invariably some of the scummiest fucking people on the face of the earth.

Telling a person how much he should charge for renting his own property is communism.

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its reciprocal, its what prevented someone from hosing your parents or yourself, whoever whenever you got whatever property you do or don't own

no need to blame the government, they're the very vehicle that prevents might makes right and allows a landlord relationship to exist in society in the first place, they used to get beheaded, remember?

If only there was some type of society that cared about its people, some sort of nation that looked after the existence of its own. Perhaps it'd even secure a future for white children, who knows.

I'm not a lolbert anymore but if it fucks the boomers then I'm for it.

>if we pretend inflation doesn’t exist everything will be fine

which is still cheaper than monthly rent. I've lived in the same home for 15 years now paying it off

you've never had a mortgage, have you?

I like libertarians but I dont like the ancap side of it. More freedom for the people but less freedom for the capitalist is ideal.

Chinks buy on land and sit on it until value goes up causing rent to skyrocket. Spics take up all the available housing and NIMBY boomers get butthurt when new housing is built. Fuck that state

That really wasn't the point he was making, he said a mortgage is cheaper than paying rent and hes right.

>fixed income
Fun fact:without all the money printing we would generally have deflation

Eventually the tower will fall down and we start over. Cycles Johnny, cycles.

This is probably what should be made illegal. People from other countries shouldn't be allowed to buy housing in america.

That will never happen, the ruling class makes a lot of money selling properties to chinks. You have one in the White House right now.

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Here in 626 we have loads to these mcmansion owned by Chinese that just sit empty.

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okay, riddle me this

1,2000 a month for rent

the person who owns the house has to pay 1,500 a year in taxes, so in two months time you have paid the landlords taxes and made them money

they have to fix whatever appliances you break in a year and I don't know about you, but im not a god damned nigger who breaks everything I touch so I don't have to replace a fridge, stovetop water heater or AC every single year - so that's a whopping 0$

now under the case for a mortgage a property that rents for $1,200 might cost you $200-300 a month mortgage, now add another $100-200 for insurance, so a grand total of at most $500 a month buying the house, owning it, vs the $1,200 a month supporting some parasite, kek

oh I absolutely am not against private property, I implore you to own your land, don't support parasites

If they don't like the rent they can move. The real problem is Mobile Home park owners blocking unit sales for market price and forcing sellers to sell below market to the park owners.

nope. purchased my home with cash.

i thought you were making a moral argument about profiting off of renters. my mistake.

absolutely he is correct.

Do landlords not benefit society by fulfilling their obligations (of course this varies case by case) and assuming the inherent risk of owning property?

Moving a "mobile home" is prohibitively expensive, and there aren't so many around that you can just move your fucking house down the street, you utter moron.

>Landlord doesn't produce anything. He doesn't employ people he just collects payments.
He:
-paid for an inspector
-paid to fix/fixed any shit that needed to be fixing
-paid to/did upgrades or remodel anything
-paid a realtor
-paid to have it listed
-fronted the money for a loan and risked maybe months of payments while all this was happening
-do background checks on interested parties
That's at least 5 people involved who are getting paid excluding the landlord(if he didn't do 2 and 3 himself) before anyone moves in.

Locally there is a large mobile home park that the landlord has been pushing people out for 10 years. They want to build a 200 unit gated community for Chinese. Just a interesting coincidence as these kind of properties are "redeveloped" the homeless on our streets has increased.

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all landlords will get the rope

>all landlords will get the rape

>-paid for an inspector
>-paid to fix/fixed any shit that needed to be fixing
>-paid to/did upgrades or remodel anything
>-paid a realtor
>-paid to have it listed
>-fronted the money for a loan and risked maybe months of payments while all this was happening
>-do background checks on interested parties

OK. In what kind of Socialist state are you living in. In FInland you just make sure the place is up to code (or not because most renters are idiots and rentlords are sleazy penny-pinching bastards) and you pay your taxes. That's it. After taxes its all profit.

I have an apartment that I bought off my rentlord since he kept raising my rent while doing jack shit and the place was barely livable by government standards. I renovated it and now I use it as office.