Talking to my left friend

He's right you know

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We send them billions of dollars a year for nothing in return and they do nothing with the money. We don’t owe Central American jungle goblins a damn thing

So he linked you to a literally who article that, in its first few paragraphs, links to multiple more reputable sources saying socialism is the cause. Hmm. I hate to say it, user, but your friend might be retarded.

>blames America
>doesn't realize Israel subverted it
>probably praises Israel in fear of being labeled antisemite

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These are unarguable conjecture points leftists use to "win" every argument. No matter what you say, it's always "Muricas fault."
Ask them why their countries were so weak they were so easily manipulated by the USA.
Ask them how the USA came to be so powerful.
Ask them which group of people made America so powerful.
Nothing you say will convince them that America wasn't the ultimate reason for their demise.
But you can also point out that Venezuela were called a "Socialist Utopia" not too long ago. Much more recent than "US Meddling."

old ass picture. not your conversation.

>yeah and who let them take power
The Venezuelans, through democratic elections, multiple times.

>the USA manipulated oil prices
BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA LMFAO PEOPLE ACTUALLY BELIEVE THE USA IS POWERFUL ENOUGH TO CAUSE THE GLOBAL PRICE OF OIL TO CRASH HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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Find me an exact copy you mong. I guarantee you this is my convo.

look up economic hitman. If you're wondering if we're responsible for a lot of third world shit holes getting shitter? Well, we are. We're the bad guys and it's not the people making these decisions. Corporations and TLA are then sweeping the impacts under the rug and telling the American people to fix it and that it's a political issue of right v left. God bless America.

People are just fucking brainwashed.

It is so exhausting.

>left friend
the door is that way nigger

>We caused the global price of oil to crash
BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA LMFAO YEAH BECAUSE YOU ARE SOOO POWERFUL YOU CAN STOP RUSSIA, CHINA, SAUDI, UAE, QATAR & BAHRAIN TO STOP SELLING THEIR OIL JUST SO YOU CAN CRASH THE MARKET AND KILL THE ECONOMY OF SOME SHITTY FUCKING COUNTRY HAHAHAHAHAHA

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Retard nonwhite

>he is unironically right about Hugo Chavez
Venezuelans loved that dude as some grassroots man of the earth people and mobilized heavily to defend him, as the US was trying to put in place Pedro Carmona in 2002. This coup attempt failed and solidified Chavez.
Since Chavez's death, Nicolas Maduro tried to recreate that popular magic, and even the US is helping by backing another doomed-to-fail puppet, Juan Guaido, but Maduro lacks the charisma of Chavez and does not high enough oil prices to keep the operation as steady

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>If you're wondering if we're responsible for a lot of third world shit holes getting shitter? Well, we are.

That is pure bullshit, I read that fucking book and the follow up and what is describes does not equate to us being responsible for their shit conditions.

America ruined middle east thats for certain
But they arent responsible for Venezuela, they opposed Chavez and the later socialists

You spic is showing, fuck offf and die.

Not really. Leftists are who they are, they will not listen to RIGHT reason, so the true retard here is the guy posting here who maintains a friendship with the leftist.

Americans selling houses to other Americans that couldn't afford them caused a global recession in 2008. Go be a nigger somewhere else. The global economy is very much connected and believe it or not America has a pretty big fucking impact on it.

Your friends seems like the kind of guy who reads the headline and nothing else.

>does not equate to us being responsible
I'm not responsible for some shell company fucking over brown people in the third world any more than you are. Stop being stupid faggot.

>Americans caused the American housing market to crash
>This is comparable to the global oil market
HAHAHAHAHAHHA.

Ok. Explain to me, technically, how the price of oil is indexed and then explain how exactly the US was able to manipulate the index.

Go on.

Yeah, we’re going to need to see some more of this conversation OP, just to confirm the diagnosis of retardation.

>manipulated oil prices
how so, by having more and fulfilling demand?

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We just started talking about the wall, cuz hes in favor of open borders.
And then he says you guys don't listen to facts.

Shhh, these people are idiots, see this guy They don't realize why the price of oil collapsed and they think the USA is powerful enough to have done this all by themselves without leaving a paper trail.

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>the state did some shit in secret with no input from the population so now the population has to pay for it
leftist logic

>r some shell company fucking over brown people in the third world

That is not actually happening.

checked

dividend trading and wall street with investment banking to throw money around at high risk for third world brown countries. How about you stop being a nigger.

>it's not happening cuz I said it's not happening
I fucking despise boomers. Roll over and die you fucking useless shits.

I love it when leftists try to pretend they didn't defend Venezuela at every turn.

greenleft.org.au/content/chomsky-praises-venezuelas-revolution

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>Americans selling houses to other Americans that couldn't afford them caused a global recession in 2008.

Not really. Everything, including the gov, thought the packages they were selling was safe. It was a natural human error, which is why noone was really punished for it.

>if you don't agree with my bullshit sentiments then you are old.

Stop being a feminized fruit bowl, shaming people is not a fucking argument.

>/pol
>not listening to facts
He’s obviously never been on Jow Forums

I love how hard you're trying to pretend you know anything about economics and finance. Typical lefty

If your friend is also American. Then point out its his fault. So he had better reach into his pocket and hand over any money he has to fix it. That should fix him.

>Left
>Friend
Pick one.

oh and "it's not happening" is an argument? You're fucking pathetic and smell like a fucking boomer. Go buy a fucking boat and shit on what little social security is left until you die.

>dividend trading

No such thing exist. Do you mean derivative trading? You're wrong even then derivatives can't change the price of an item.

>I love how I can't explain why he's wrong just that he's wrong cuz he's a lefty
nigger leaf can't even into thought

The Saudi’s increased production because the USA was gaining because fracking. The Saudis were trying to put the USA fracking out of business.
No one was trying to hurt Venezuela. They were dependent on high oil prices to pay for everything.
Socialism works when an outside source of money flows in. Be it oil or dead former rich people assets.

Please explain what "dividend trading" is and how Americans used it to destabilize Venezuela.

Retard

LOL yes it is not happening is a fucking argument.

Saying you are old is not.

He needs to prove we are directly responsible. It is on him to prove that, I can easily disprove him.

Same reason Soviet Union collapsed -- dependence on oil and gas revenues. At least that was one of the contributors aside from fact that socialism doesn't work.

It is America's fault, because it allowed morons like your friends parents to breed.

I rarely say this but Ill say it. The leaf is right lads.

Thats the average liberal. They domt want to know tge truth. I got into a heated argument about the Michael Brown shooting this was someone ive known my whole life and by the end of it i had totally amd completly refuted all his points and he said finally, "yea but i dont want to know the truth because now i feel bad"

These leftist dont care about reality plain amd simple

Whenever the world consumption falls below the world production oil falls. If countries that don't stop producing and selling when the world consumption falls then they cause the price to fall and lose money.

Saudi Arabia, Qatar, UAE and Bahrain are aggressively producing oil despite the collapse, why? Because the US has to produce shale oil, which is an extremely expensive way to produce oil, by over saturating the market, these middle eastern countries are trying to kill off the US oil production, by lowering the price of oil to a point where shale oil production is no longer economically viable.

And that's why it collapsed :)

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>why don't we fix them since we're the ones who ruined it in the first place
You should have agreed with him and say that America must take up the white man's burden.

You're wrong. How's that for an argument?

I don't really give a shit about Venezuela I was referring to another post I'm not his fucking friend talking about oil prices. Do you need an explanation for how shares are traded and paid out?

This oil price chart does seems to coincide with the fall of the Soviets and Venezuela.

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He's right though.

Ireland was a shithole while the Brits were fucking with it. East Germany was a shithole while the Russians were governing it.

This goes for Latin American countries as well. US fucked with them and now they are coming across your border.

Don't want third worlders in your country? Don't fuck their countries up.

You don't see many Japanese coming over because Japan sucks.

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>POC would be curing cancer and building rockets if it weren't for whitey oppressing them

They don't actual believe this. It's just a defensive talking point they've been inculcated with. It's not a conclusion deduced from premises. When the issue arrises in a novel context, they argue from the other direction.

See pic_related: the leftist explains that African countries are poor because they have too much diversity and too many immigrants. This is such an obvious truth that he or she doesn't even notice that it contradicts the leftist programming.

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Tell him about (((America)))

He acknowledges international business interests but blames it on the US. This is categorically false. All nations are chess pieces to the international money lenders.

Yes. You are responsible for promoting secular liberal-democracy and egalitarianism.

>none of this passes through wall street and nobody in the US is profiting off this at any point
I'm glad you can take a point you make and explain the very point you wanted to make better than I could. I'm proud of you for talking to yourself while skating over anything else that gets said. Go back to posting anime pictures and shit posting nigger.

You are just a biased spic that does not really know what wrong means.

once you understand that Leftists see everything through a Oppressor vs Oppressed lens, things become a lot more clear.

It's why they accuse everyone of racism, bigotry, it's why they talk about gender inequality, and it's why they'll blame America for the rest of the worlds problems.

This is the communist playbook, blame everyone who is perceived to have any power until you yourself can seize that power by subjugating (or culling) the oppressors.

>Do you need an explanation for how shares are traded and paid out?
Please explain what you think "dividend trading" actually is and the exact mechanics behind it

I want to have my laugh for this morning.

Venezuela is a shitty country because it is full of Venezuelans. The average IQ in Venezuela is in the 80s which is near mental retardation. Look at Singapore, a tiny city-state country with no natural resources and it has a higher standard of living than most of the world because it's population has an average IQ of over 100.

Link to relevant topic:
zerohedge.com/news/2019-04-10/world-faces-uphill-battle-average-iq-just-82

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>No. All nations fuck with each other. Its like middle school.
>If Venezuela couldn't keep up then thats their fault for being weak.
If you are taught victim blaming, then your country really deserves to be nuked.

In this case, your friend is a retard.

Get. Sell ASAP. Never look back at the free falling price. Enjoy your canned laughter.

Typical Indio mindset, everything is America's fault. They are a low-agency group.

You are a nigger boomer who doesn't know what anything means unless it's for corporate interests. I'm not joking please die off you've ruined this country enough.

muh corporate

What a mindless child.

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>considering leftist a friend instead of killing him in his sleep.
Everything is your fault

Give me your addresses you can try mother fucker.

You are going to be real fuckign confused when this not a boomer is stomping your fuckign face.

Oh i thought he was an old man./1@?$!@$?"!/2L$

Yes actually if you look closely America either controls a government or heavily sanctions / invades (Iraq Syria Iran Russia Venezuela etc etc).. the sanctions prevent them from selling their oil and America controls the other countries allowing them to manipulate oil prices

China doesn't have oil

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>Americans
He's almost there. Show him who actually made all the (((decisions))).

The US tries to manipulate the oil price UPWARD you clown. It makes shale production viable.

>muh wall street
>muh shale oil
Wall Street is a whore for OPEC. You know nothing of oil.

Venezuela was doing great in 2009?

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neat a glowie

Your friend is actually half right, and that's more right than you are.

Oh. And your country isn't even part of OPEC. Which produces 70% of the worlds oil.

>but muhhh Wall Street
OPEC could kill your country without 2 months by refusing to sell you oil. Your reserves will only last 2 months.

When all you have is personal attacks, it's time to give up.

where do you think you are? personal attacks are what make this place interesting faggot

>occupy democrats
CRINGE

I mean he's not entirely wrong though. America is instigating wars and tensions around the world since at least 1914 for the jews. America is the international jews weapon.

What he fails to realize is who the enemy of the people of the world really is.

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He cannot accept that he bases his views off a flawed and dishonest book so he wants to run his puke mouth and hide.

>IQ map
>America higher than Uruguay

Yeah, I don't buy that.

back to the donald with you niggerfaggot

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I live on capital hill come get me bitch you won't.

Yeah because Uruguay is the epitome of accomplishment and high iq.