He has a point you know. Why don't we punish companies that hire illegals? Why isn't pol calling for their punishment?

Because a 2 pound package of chicken drumsticks would cost $13.99.
Fight for 15, nigger

>Undocumented Immigrants

>And neither side wants that
Exactly
I think a lot of people have noticed this but the people pointing this out are drowned out by all idiots shrieking about pics of crying illegal children and “borders are racist and ICE is literally the gestapo” rhetoric.

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No they wouldn't. They would just be fed and kept by faggot Christians like you.

Because Israel needs that money

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Extrapolate this across the whole economy..millions of lower skilled workers eliminated from the labor pool quickly.. companies fined billions of dollars collectively..massive staffing obstacles (not many people unemployed right now). What will happen is that the native born whites will be downsized too. The economy as a whole will shrink. The only alternative to immigrant labor is automation which will also precipitate in general job loss. You fucking idiots think ANYTHING the state does is for your benefit, to please you. Far from true, this is just an incremental phase in the long term strategy of making most people superfluous.

You’re dumb.
You’re smart.

So illegal work is acceptable if it keeps good prices low? Why so jazzed over a wall?

I hope you aren’t arguing that nothing should be done about illegal immigration because doing so might hurt the economy.

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Hmm, maybe only hire them to keep food prices down, ya know, like we already fucking do via tens of thousands of temp worker visas to pick fruit n shit?
>but what about muh economy

Couldn't you end illegal immigration by just jailing all the people who hire them?
Then all you would have to do is end welfare to non citizens and they would have no desire to hop the border.

Hire American. In a capitalist society there shouldnt be a minimum wage. If you want to make more money then dont take the job with the shit wage.

That and the Hart-Celler act need to be reversed and shot out an air lock in deep space.

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Don't some states give them drivers licenses and shit? Why aren't we arresting the lawmakers?

Doesn't matter how the economy does or if all whites are employed. The liberals want more non-white people in this country.

They only face fines for knowingly employing illegals. Leaves them open to hire legals, even though we both know they'll just hire more illegals and eat the fines with the next raid.
Though if any of them helped the illegals obtain falsified identification, they're looking at jail time. Maybe

That would be the government working in the interest of it's people, that's completely unacceptable

>we didn't know they were here illegally
did they even bother to check? at what point does the employer have any responsibility?

Quality question user, really joggen my noggen.

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They pay too much in taxes to be held accountable.

Yeah considering our politicians are addicted to population growth by any means.
I think it shows our economy is in trouble that they have to resort to literal population replacement.

I would be a vegan if it meant living in an ethnostate.

It's almost as if global migration are an instrument of capital and Jow Forums chooses to remain wilfully ignorant and blame it on the jews instead

>not many people unemployed right now
Jewed unemployment stats only report people "looking for work", which excludes huge segments of the population. Actual unemployment is closer to 20%.

Although you are correct there would be a (temporary) contraction in the economy as it adapts to the changes. All regulations cause economic penalties, that's an unavoidable consequence of any restriction on business behavior.

It's just a boot on the left and a boot on the right stomping us down.
I had high hopes, false hopes, when at the beginning of Trump's term they arrested all the workers in that bread factory making McDonald's buns or some such, but nothing has happened since. As someone pointed out, if you subcontract, you can hire as many illegals as needed. That's why you will see illegals cleaning Federal government buildings.

That would be nice, but they're only doing their owner's bidding. Arrest them and new ones would be put in place, because the driving force for those laws are Big Ag and other illegal-heavy industries.

If they didn't hire the illegals, than ICE would have no one to raid, duh. If they lock up the employers, who will hire the illegals? They need this cycle.

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I think you mean if you fined companies that amount, there would be no more companies.
You can either have high profit companies, and low priced goods, or you can have low profit companies, which means the stock market, and by extension the economy is going to have a massive shit all over itself and we start over from 1950's style.

Why don't they impose massive fines on them, I don't get it

This is the most jewish argument I have heard on Jow Forums this week. Are you seriously arguing that it is impossible to run a business without illegal labor? The US is an extreme outlier in not checking immigration status of 100% of it's workers, almost all other first world countries (and MEXICO) have much stricter standards for employment eligibility verification.

>Why don't the slaves just fine their owners if they don't like how they're being treated?

Been saying this shit for literal years here and everyone is so far up Trumps asshole they ignore it.
COMPANIES ARE NOT LOYAL TO THE UNITED STATES.
ANY CORPORATION IS NOT LOYAL TO THE UNITED STATES.
THE ENTIRE FUCKING PROBLEM OF WAGE AND LABOR SUPPRESSION CAN BE TRACED TO COMPANIES EXPLOITING ILLEGAL LABOR TO SUBVERT THE LABOR OF US CITIZENS.

YOU ARE ALL BEING PLAYED.
YOU HAVE BEEN BEING PLAYED SINCE REAGAN.

FUCK!

EVERY MIDDLE AND LOWER CLASS CITIZEN'S WAGE HAS BEEN INCREMENTALLY STOLEN OVER THE LAST 50 YEARS.

They were calling for it until Amnesty Don said no.

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Illegal labor is stifling development of food processing automation which would result in even lower prices, you retard.

Send them to jail then. Illegals are not necessary for the economy.

>Are you seriously arguing that it is impossible to run a business without illegal labor?
No, you fucking retard, I am suggesting that over the last 50 years, US corporations have been using subcontracting loopholes to outsource jobs legally required to be held by US citizens, to be held by illegal laborers at fractions of the cost, or by work Visa holders.

This happens in every industry.
Even Tech.
There are more than enough people in the US with the qualifications to do these tech jobs, but to keep labor costs low, these companies have outsourced this labor to 3rd world coders, who have no talent whatsoever, on work visas, that eventually get prioritized for citizenship.
Anyone who works in tech knows this, and sees it daily.

Same with farming, same with hospitality, same with any industry or labor.

YOUR ENEMY IS NOT EACH OTHER.
YOUR ENEMY IS THE CORPORATIONS.

Many of the big agricultural corporations which push these laws are not even American.

because they need severly undervalued labor to keep their profits high

>the economy is going to have a massive shit all over itself and we start over from 1950's style
Proper and lasting change will never come if we're persistent in our fear of bricking the economy. Modern developed countries have their GDP inflated by service industries, which are often low-skilled jobs staffed by immigrants. Americans might see the destruction of Amazon, Walmart, and other exploitative corporations, but their overall quality of life would be unaffected.

>YOUR ENEMY IS THE CORPORATIONS
Corporations are just legal constructs, there are people making these decisions. And those "people" are often jewish. We know who are enemies are. Do you even realize where you are?

Oh look, a real-life retard!

They are at current prices though.
Since corporations refuse to allocate costs to pay US citizens for labor, they must hire illegal laborers to keep labor costs low.
Profits have been through the roof for 20 years now.
If corporations simply tightened their belts, and payed fair wages for labor, to US citizens, this entire problem would be averted.
But since the GOP and Trump have decided that the American Laborer does not matter, that will not happen.

Republicans got played. They traded their economic sanity for short term profits, and the rest is history.
Learn your fucking history.

Wow, so 90% European countries that don't rely on illegal immigration are just a figment of imagination.

Add to this Citizen's United (Nixon) allowing corporations to buy elections.

It's a sad thing that LBJ, Reagan, and Nixon didn't get the noose they deserved.

They do impose massive fines. But it's nothing compared to how much they save by hiring illegals.
Like how Apple supposedly eats a fine every year for not standardizing their charging ports. They make more money charging $30 for a charging cable.

YUP.
I agree completely, we need comprehensive change, we need to restart this country under laws that protect the integrity of the US citizens that created, and are, the US.

>Proper and lasting change will never come if we're persistent in our fear of bricking the economy
Perhaps if the economy were bricked, then the fear of the (needed) extreme reform to remove the cancer would be welcomed.

>Import illegal immigrants
>let them do slave labor
>Don't pay them
>They sue you
>Call ICE to deport them.

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>Do you even realize where you are?
Not fucking stormfront eh?
This isn't about the Jews.
US corporations are a collective of Jewish minded people, that doesn't mean they are all Jewish.
Being a jew means being greedy over all else.
There are plenty of white "christian" CEOs who are greedier than the greediest Jew.

If you target just jews then you weaken the movement. You need to target the institutions.

Not talking about European nations retard.
Talking about the US.

because our own labor is cheap as fuck

You fucking moron, Europe proves that illegals aren't necessary, if you can't get that your IQ is to low to argue with.

They need an i9 form to pay you legally which requires social security card or other documents

Maybe.
Ultimately, I think there needs to be a period of say 5-10 years where the US dissolves its federal government, and acts as a loose association of states.
From there we can figure out what we want to create as far as a federal government goes, if we even want to.
The US is 50 counties sewn together.
We need to sort out ourselves on a state level, and then consider federalizing for infrastructure, education, and defense.

Back to fucking basics.

You seem to be arguing to do nothing and hope corps hire Americans out of the goodness of their hearts. The adults here are saying punish them with laws.

If they act like a jew, they're a jew by association. Learn to broaden your linguistic horizons.

Europe doesn't prove shit about the US you dumbfuck.
The US and Europe could not be more fucking different in history, culture, or ideology.
Fuck off with that false equivalence bullshit.

No they don't, Trump's own companies have patchy uses of i9, and he cucked on his campaign promise of forcing 100% of businesses to use it

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People and conmpanies who utilize illegal immigrants are all fucking traitors.
>Why isn't pol calling for their punishment?
It should be: they deserve the rope as much as any leftist.

No, I am arguing to dissolve all corporations, abolish the stock market, and return to basics.
If we refuse to learn lessons from history, we are doomed to repeat them.
The US needs to reform with an emphasis on US laborers.
Those who work get a vote. Those who don't, don't.

That's a very good idea. Seems only logical.

At least fine them

>being different means they can't adhere to the same frameworks
>offers zero evidence other than just "muh differences"
>prances around like HE'S the smart one here

Actually expound on your points, faggot. They're different and so what? Why would the United States' "unique" history and culture prevent them from benefiting if they penalized corporations for hiring illegals?

You're a retarded communist with no plans for reform other than "destroy all established institutions!"

It is you who needs a lesson in linguistics my friend.
Attacking the problem, as if it is only the Jews, ensures that the general public will not support you.
The general public will not support a movement that targets the Jews. Its simply does not have broad enough support.
Targeting rich assholes who do nothing and earn millions per month, has broad enough support.
That way you get both, the greedy jews, and the greedy corporate whites.

Isn't communism a synthesis of both Capitalism and Socialism? Meaning, all the best thing about both systems living in communion

Fuck off, I am not going to give you a fucking dissertation about why Europe, is different from the United States.
For one, the United States functions as one country, the EU on the other hand, has 0 federal authority.
Fucking retarded faggots I swear to fucking god.

In theory, yes. In practice, it is an even more effective tool then capitalism for creating a small, ultra-wealthy oligarchy which rules over the impoverished masses with absolute power.

Yet all of you retards constantly bitch about all the leeches in the US.
You bemoan the welfare nigger, and the spic inflating your healthcare costs, but you refuse to stand up for those who actually produce, those who actually get up every day and go to work, and produce profit.
If you think that supporting the laborers of your nation is communist, then you have already lost you fucking stupid cunt.

I’d happily liquidate all the corps and management hiring illegals and make them into worker owned co ops, if it meant progress on the issue. I don’t care about the punishment as long as it stops hiring of illegals.

Dissolving all corporations is not supporting the laborers of your nation, it's an infantile reaction to a simple problem. The problem being that illegals are able to be profitably employed. Take away the profit, and the problem vanishes. You have a different problem with the system, and are trying to make it seem like your problem is a superset of the illegal labor one.

>make them into worker owned co ops, if it meant progress on the issue.
That is exactly, PRECISELY, what needs to happen.

You know this phrase has been co-opted by retarded leftists, but it does hold true.
NO GODS. NO MASTERS.

This is the real reason they want illegals, it's for the liability protection even more than the wages. They need disposable slaves for their hell-factories.

Worker owned co-ops are still corporations, you utter mongoloid.

>You bemoan the welfare nigger, and the spic inflating your healthcare costs, but you refuse to stand up for those who actually produce, those who actually get up every day and go to work, and produce profit.
Not to mention the fact that the biggest leeches are the business owners and shareholders who do nothing to "earn" their fortunes but OWN stuff. They are leeches in the sense that they appropriate your labor and the fact that their companies get trillions in tax breaks, subsidies and bailouts.

It is exactly supporting the laborers of my nation.
The corporations are what siphons from the laborers, as they are the entity responsible for hiring illegal laborers.
Illegal laborers would not exist without corporate willingness to utilize them.

Illegal laborers are.... powerless. The have no citizenship, they have no legal or political right within the US to advocate.
Yet they are still hired. BY THE CORPORATE CLASS.
Why?
TO UNDERCUT DOMESTIC LABOR YOU STUPID FUCK.

What about this is so confusing to you?

I would apply a 10k fine for each illegal found working there, coupled with a $2500 cash bounty paid (from that fine) to the person reporting it once the illegal is deported.

Not only would employers be afraid to hire them, and they would self-deport due to lack of available work, but they'd be ratting each other out for personal gain and doing ICE's work for them.

In the Netherlands you get fined 9000 to 18000 dollar per illegal employee.
A fine of 13500 dollars per employee if you can't show how much you paid someone.
A fine of up to 45.000 dollar per employee if you paid someone below minimum wage and you don't correct it within 4 weeks.
A fine of 1400 dollar if you paid in cash.
If you do it again your business can get closed.
If you can't identify a worker all wages that have been paid out will get a tax of 52% applied to them, which the employer suddenly has to pay.
If you don't provide numbers, then the IRS can just make a guess how much you paid out. And work with that.

The IRS can basically nuke your business.

I suggest you look up what the word corporation means retard.
A fabrication plant, producing things does not require a corporate structure to function.
It requires materials, and labor, and at the start, a source of seed capital.
That is it.
It does not require gigantic skyscrapers filled with paper pushers and public relations officers and so forth.
These are the things that poison a business, and the US laborer.

It's no-frills divorce in the Business world

there are lots of illegal workers in europe, mostly on construction sites and on farms.

the EU has partially even legalized it by allowing workers to get the wage of their home country and be insuranced in their home country although working in a different country.

so hungarian companies can send their workers to germany to work there and the workers will only receive the hungarian wage and not the german one. but i think there is a time limit on that.

You are conflating corporations (which are just groups of people working together) with the corporate class (which is a set of people who work together to undermine the rule of law in order to enrich themselves). This kind of lazy thinking is what causes social movements to fail and attack innocent people, harming good causes.

I...don’t disagree at all. Arrest them.

>A fabrication plant, producing things does not require a corporate structure to function.
I suggest you start up a privately owned steel mill and get your ass sued into oblivion. Corporate structures exist to shield individuals from liability, which is especially important to worker collectives.

Exactly.
Legacy profits.
The investment class.
Those who own 70% of a company, yet work 20 hours a week, pushing paper.

I forgot there is also a 11.000 dollar fine for paying someone below minimum wage.

you say that as if it's a bad thing

That’s something we can agree on then, and it’s a serious issue, too much wealth in too few hands.

If trump is smart about this he will wreck the shit out of them starting from the worst offenders. I know you want something more drastic but realistically this does have a chance.

It's because Trump himself hires illegal immigrants. For example at his resort/golf-clubs like Mar-a-Lago

I am going to bed.
I am done trying to get you idiots to see why the US is failing.
Enjoy your oblivion retards.