Persuade me to believe. Here’s the proof for your bullshit?

Persuade me to believe. Here’s the proof for your bullshit?

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religion is not about belief but practice

Why? I'm not selling you anything.

Whatever that means. Get some proof. Stop talking in faggot riddles.

Evolutuon of life by random chance is mathimatically impossible given the length the universe has been in existence.

Then why do scientists almost universally accept that life evolved? Do they jut not have enough “faith?”

scientists lie, gods lie, go lie down and have yourself a well earned nap

i am saying the benefits of religion come from the rituals, from practice. religion is not about literal beliefs

Evolution isn't the reason why, it's the reason how. Einstein said it brilliantly; religion without science is blind, science without religion is dull. Mankind has questions it can answer, and questions it can't. Some of the latter would preoccupy our lives with consistent existential crises, and. the alternatives. at hand would only make us more evil, bitter, and destructive. We need some form of moderation. I wholeheartedly believe God is real, because I have my personal testament that gave me a flow of pure love and power in the moment of realization, I'd not trade my beliefs for the world, because when applied they can give me the world. Look around to see how many churches you'll see as a testament to that. However, it was said that if God did not exist, it would be necessary to invent him.

Don't be so arrogant with the scientists who bandwagon to seem more intelligent out of mans arrogance. Throughout history, all the most intelligent men have rationalized the possibilities, even with the freedom to be staunch atheists, and have concluded decisively their own faiths and agreement that there must be some form of God.

Being atheist nowadays isn't brave, it isn't hip. If anything, actually believing in God is the brave thing to believe in 2019.

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Perhaps you should actually read the book, because to be honest, there's a lot of wisdom in there. Much of it on basic moralities and how to deal with fellow man, friends AND enemies.

Belief in being protected and justified by an all knowing all power guardian when you do what you know is right and enforce the justice that everyone around you sees makes you stronger, more confident, more capable, more loving and a better person. Without having to depend on yourself for your moral convictions, and someone to forgive you when you can't forgive yourself for your past can go a long way in life.

However, it's up to you to find out for yourself. You're here looking for arguments on the internet most likely to toot your own horn and bathe in your own self-perceived intellect, but I won't judge. Perhaps you may legitimately be trying to seek a reason, but I highly doubt it. You should know you won't seek any miracles if you're not sincerely seeking, and even if you were to find the reason, you wouldn't believe it even if you saw one. That's the whole purpose behind faith, you have to believe on your own volition.

>irrelevant info under this / stance clarification
You can say that my perspective isn't a very christian one, but I'm not a run-of-the-mill christian. I'm a realist, which makes me close to Christ in it's own way, in that I'm not afraid to state to brutal honesty about the situations we are in and the facts people truly seek or need to hear/read. In of itself, this was not written with any animosity towards you so don't take It so, but even that precaution is only because I know some people tend to take shit the wrong way as text is a hard way to give the intended tone.

Who cares. Lore, myths, whatever you want to call it, it's stories to distract you from the fact that you're going to die one day and that there's nothing you can do about it

This coming from a human from a species that can’t even leave the earth, fight to the death over petty shit, and have egos bigger than the infinite universe itself. Do psychedelics kid it will change your mind

I dont really care what you believe. Just sharing truths.

There's no riddles. Faith isn't a act of being persuaded. You're an idiot by any rational standard to insist that God doesn't exist. But we know that "God disappointed you" in your life so this thread is a sublimated emotional tantrum. Just because you're dumb doesn't make everyone else the same.

>just because you’re dumb...

Yeah ok. As if you guys aren’t the dumb ones. I ask again: Where’s your proof? Do you believe other things with no proof? Something so important?

And? Your point is basically an argument from ignorance. We don't know something, therefore a god did it.

I can do better. I believe in God, actually I'm certain of his existence confirmed by years of research into history and science. And I'm Christian. Here's the thing: I don't want you to believe in God. I want you to suffer endlessly in the darkness of your life experience.
>Debate me

So what’s a realist then? Why can’t you just say you’re going to wait to believe until you see it?

I have many proofs. And I deny them all to you because you are an asshole and you can't even believe that

It's like if the board game Clue had a black character, it would be called Solved.
If it were true they wouldn't call it Faith. It would be called, you tell me. Natural Selection? Fact?
You just have to believe. Like if you clap long and hard and loudly enough you can bring the 100 watt bulb on a rheostat playing Tinkerbell back to life.

So no proof then? Typical.

>Belief in being protected and justified by an all knowing all power guardian when you do what you know is right and enforce the justice that everyone around you sees makes you stronger, more confident, more capable, more loving and a better person.
That doesn't mean the guardian exists, though. The ultimate rebuttal to the argument from utility (what you're making) is just that it's a non-sequitor. There is no amount of useful an idea can be which will make it true, that's not what we mean by "true," and to say that we "believe" something that we don't think to be true is to miss what "believe" means.

Do you believe you are an asshole? Tell me and I'll provide you with proof of the Christian God. But only if you give the correct and absolutely true answet

You stated the idea that we live in a matrix being more rational, right? What if that's actually the key to believing in God. What if this is a matrix simulation, and you've been in it once before AS Jesus Christ, and everything you did as him 2,000 years ago was just to remind you this time around on how to do it again, and break out of the matrix by passing the test, proving your intelligence twice and beating the system designed to test your spirit on its strength or weakness.

If there is a God that created you, it made you smart right? It'd want you to be smart enough to not be bound. to this system and world where evil rules, right? You see the injustices in the world right? Why are you going to let it oppress you then? Why would you just be a weak cog and perpetuate evil? Think about that before you decide to argue on the internet about topics way beyond your depth.

>you just have to believe.

Yeah but why in the faggot christcuck shit? Why is that the god I have to believe in? What makes him more likely to exist than the others? Why should I become a fag, just because a bunch of retards told me so.

imagine you are watching a movie and one of your friends is like "oh that's not actually real, those people are just acting!!!" or whatever
that's what atheists are like

to repeat this again: religion is not about literal beliefs

atheist that practices religion > spiritual person that doesn't practice anything
the benefits come from the practice, the rituals
from praying, going to mass, fasting, meditation, ancestor worship, funerals, whatever...

Just as I thought.
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>Where’s your proof?
Its all around you, if you can't do your homework then why should any of us do it for you?
Do you go around telling people "hey do my job or ur a faggot or imbecile"?
I know way too many people that are exactly like you.

oK nigger Electric Universe why not look into it and stop being a retard?

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as if proof meant anything in the real world

I'm merely complying to the fact that God cannot be proven to someone, especially someone who doesn't want to believe in God. That's their own mess. Maybe to someone who believes in the wrong idea of God, like idols or money (or pussy). However, belief in no God is their own battle with the master they don't even choose to recognize (not God, but in fact Satan in this case).

There's multiple levels of belief, before one can truly believe in God, they must believe in a soul. It's about personal life experiences that bring you to belief, but you must seek the knowledge to found belief upon, because true belief isn't blind, it is clear in sight. and full of substance.

Look, you gotta realize you sound fucking retarded. There is no proof of god and when asked for some you just insult the asker. Not very jesusy of you at all. I lost my faith because of logic, no sort of emotional tantrum.

>hUr DuR I’m enlightened. YOuRE STuPId.

What an argument. Prove your “god”

I don't understand why atheists think theists/deists owe them "proof". I don't go around asking people to spoonfeed me arguments against the existence of God. Believe what you want, this is a free world (to an extent, at least).

Culter

what do you not get its not overly complicated you must not have looked very hard

also see >what did these geniuses mean by this????

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The Christian religion has been changing over time to 'sell' to the appropriate audience. Dont you want godpoints?

where did the universe come from?

Because it's been observed hundreds of time, the science work, is replicable and is commonly used with ai

On the other side the bible says its false, and the bible is always true ... Right?

I mean if so much of it is false, then imagine what else written in it could be false too...

I bet you cant even add 2 and 2 together cunt.

thats not how it work the Church gets the rope imbecile

Do you any good sources on that electric universe shit? i see it mentioned a lot here but i got no idea what is it about really

Idk. What makes you think you know?

You wouldn't invest the energy to want to see my proof. Even if my God had your computer shatter into 100 pieces, and reassemble before your eyes, you'd pretend like it didn't happen, and try to sleep in absolute shock and think it was just a break in your sanity. You would try to rationalize the irrational, and you would go crazy from it. You couldn't give yourself rest with the idea "Holy shit, maybe God is real." because you've been led to want to believe God is not. You have a moral bone to pick with God, when instead you should turn that bone towards the men who abuse the name of God for their own injustices.

Lmao. You have no proof. Just a bullshit hypothetical.

>even if he showed himself you wouldn’t believe.

Yeah well he isn’t. Let’s see him break my computer and put it back together. Come on do it faggot

christianity is an enslavement program which is made for the purpose of enslaving the goyim . there is nothing spiritual about it and there is no truth to it . If you are going to ask for "proof" every chirstcuck will respond with " you need to have faith !" or " read revelations ! look the world is turning degenerate ! " but for the degeneration of the world there are other reasons and explanations . The Jews use this shit infested book to spiritually cripple the goyim . We are nothing more than cattle to them and they know that christianity is a religion for the cattle

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idk a feeling ahahaha are you sincere in your query? ?

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it doesn't matter whether god is real or not
doesn't matter whether he created universe or not
proof doesn't matter

>I have many proofs. And I deny them all to you because you are an asshole and you can't even believe that

Do you have proof
>yea
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Do you?
>yes
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Well show me then!
>I have proofs
Ok i get it snow how the proofs
>no

Solid argumentation

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>I don't understand why atheists think theists/deists owe them "proof".
You owe me proof if you want to base public policy around your beliefs. Like, for instance, if you think public aid to Israel is super important because your book says the Jews have to be there in order for the apocalypse to happen. Or if you think that the killing of infidels isn't wrong, since I happen to be one.

Insofar as your beliefs don't sit in a little bubble off to the side, they matter to everyone else, and religious beliefs rarely keep to themselves. Then what you're pretending is reasonable here;
>They're my beliefs, I don't have to prove them to you
is actually pretty unreasonable
>We're all going to live by my unproven beliefs and no I don't have to justify them to you, I didn't even justify them to myself, I just decided to believe them.

Probably because you make the claim that it's supposedly accurate and correct, without providing as much as a single shred of evidence. If I went around claiming that I knew of a way to survive my own death, people would rightfully be skeptical, since what I'm claiming breaks everything we know about reality. Therefore, it's on you to demonstrate that your claim is accurate, not on the people who are skeptical about it

why would you base your life choices on proof anyway?

you sound very blackpilled russian user are u ok?

idk not really a "source" honestly from books and reading the net and thinking mostly here are some books if you are intersted "religion" is not what most think it is but you cant show someone 'IT' they have to see it for themselves ya know?

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Ok but it didnt just form, did it?
It came from maybe a 275 molecule

You are saying that men who are bound by religion are holy. I find that hard to believe. I've known many Christians and read about many that hide their evil in jesus christ. Is it impossible to hold some morality without believing in all this hogwash

1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.

5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

Big Bang

Word of God

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Yeah this is what it boils down to with christcucks. They have nothing. They often are nothing.

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They have no reason. I grew up with this shit. They are all cult fags. Read the book and take what you find useful from it. Dont eat up this weak ignorant shit.

The fact that people as retarded as you can vote makes me want an autocracy of some kind

So you are just pretending during all the prayers and all? Doesnt that feel disingenuous?

No need for the biblical bullshit. Just say “idk” because that’s the truth.

There is a reason religion was always present throughout history. It brings large groups of people together and ensures survival.
Its not a question of "Will there be a religion" but rather "What religion will there be"
All nonbelievers, atheists need to ask themselves do i want to see a church in my town or a mosque.
I'm an atheist and i know i would rather hear church bells then muslims chants blaring on loudspeakers 20 times a day

You do not follow the teachings of the lord jesus christ. He would wash the feet of the lepers. Charlatan

Let’s slove that once for all.
THERE’S NO SUCH A THING LIKE ANY OF YOUR IMAGINAIRY GODS, AND IF YOU REALLY BELIVE IN THIS BULLSHIT YOU ARE STUPID. ONLY STUPID PEOPLE BELIVE IN THIS KIND OF THINGS LIKE GODS ETC.
(It’s maybe not your fault if your parents brainwashed you since the youngest age like most of stupid religious people do)
BUT PLEASE... GODS? WHAT YEAR ARE WE? RELIGIONS IS THE REASON WHY IN THE FUTURE WE WON’T BE CONCIDERED ADVANCED AND INTELLIGENT. WHY WOULD YOU BELIVE THERE’S AN INVISIBLE DICTATOR WHO CONTROLS EVERYTHING?

here are some threads talking about metaphysics and whatnot if you are interested

archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/220672617/

archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/217849614/

archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/219341715/

archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/221067161/

archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/221182270/

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archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/217899361/

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Sounds a lot like placebo

You're in the minority, you're an atheist larping as a Christians but most are literally insane and extremely low iq, for your metaphor it's like they believe every movie they see is real and the characters are real people

With what you're saying you sound open to a new and better religion, but most Christians aren't because they re completely fucking insane and brainwashed

Plus don't underestimate how many believe in the hell and heaven bullshit

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One should believe based on evidence available. For me it was not believing because of that. I questioned everything in life and tried to understand as much as possible. Study Quantum Physics, Laws of Physics, Abiogenesis, Mathematics, Consciousness, String Theory. That alone proves the NECESSITY for a creator.

THROUGHOUT HISTORY how much it was banned, censored, burned, and confiscated. No book on earth has ever endured censorship as much as the Bible to this day. Thousands of people were executed just for the crime of reading, translating, copying, and teaching the Bible. This goes on to this day in countries like China, NORK, and the Middle East.

No book has been Barbara Streisanded as much as the Bible. What was in this book that so much time and effort was wasted trying to destroy it? What was in this book worth dying for? What was in this book worth murdering for?

Once you study the Bible: You realize these simple teachings

>There is a God, he has a name, that name has to this day been censored to death. No other name has been censored to death as his: Jehovah

>Jesus is the Messiah. He exposed the devil, he exposed the Jews. He exposed them as Satanic. The first TRUE anti-semite was Jesus Christ himself when he declared them the Synagogue of Satan

>The Satanic Jews before the invasion from Babylon were child sacrificing to Moloch and other false gods. This was allowed because the Jewish Kings and elites were involved. So God had them genocided by Babylon. However, the Synagogue of Satan still does this to this day through politicians, celebrities, merchants, etc.

>The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was that he doesn't exist. The Bible is the last source on earth with enough credibility to expose that.

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Ok couple smart dudes from when everyone was Christian. Hey man we all have blind spots

I am pretty sure if you go to any scientist and ask him to prove what he is working on he will spoonfeed you and do it

Then again, unlike you he s not a lier, a fraud, a charlatan and a predator

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we are caught between a light and black hole thus creating time we are in the neutral zone Heaven positive and Hell negative

why is Cronus / Saturn / Satan called father time?

hmmmmmmm i wonder

you atheists are fucking retarded

someone once said if you dont believe in God you will believe anything

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True

>Go study Quantum Physics, Laws of Physics, Abiogenesis, Mathematics, Consciousness, String Theory. That alone proves the NECESSITY for a creator.

Abiogenesis, consciousness and string theory all refer to unknowns, the other fields of knowledge have never pointed towards any creator whatsoever

Obviously some big boy in da sky made it. I seens it

you are dumb as fuck if you believe that wasnt Heisenberg a nazi???

Second reason is because of how the Bible demonstrates God and his nature compared to other religions. This is how the Bible describes God.

>(Isaiah 44:6) “This is what Jehovah has said, the King of Israel and the Repurchaser of him, Jehovah of armies, ‘I am the first and I am the last, and besides me there is no God.

>(Revelation 1:8) “I am the Alpha and the O·mega,” says Jehovah God, “the One who is and who was and who is coming, the Almighty.”

>(Revelation 21:6) And he said to me: “They have come to pass! I am the Alpha and the O·mega, the beginning and the end. To anyone thirsting I will give from the fountain of the water of life free.

>(Psalm 90:2) ... Even from time indefinite to time indefinite you are God.

>(Jeremiah 10:10) But Jehovah is in truth God. He is the living God and the King to time indefinite.

PAY ATTENTION HERE

>(1 Kings 8:27) “But will God truly dwell upon the earth? Look! The heavens, yes, the heaven of the heavens, themselves cannot contain you; how much less, then, this house that I have built!

PAY ATTENTION HERE

>(Deuteronomy 10:14) Behold, to Jehovah your God belong the heavens, EVEN THE HEAVENS OF THE HEAVENS, the earth and all that is in it.

The first set up above describe God in an INFINITE EXISTENCE beyond all time and space. That's why God is the beginning and the end. The second part describes God as being bigger than the universe itself. The third is describing different dimensions of existence. That's why heaven has its own heaven. It's describing different dimensions. God is bigger than the entire universe but also probably the multi-verse and all dimensions. He is infinity itself. No other god/gods is described in such a perfect state. All other ancient gods were animals, humanoids living underwater, on mountains or in the clouds.

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>don’t believe in god then you’ll believe in anything.

Isn’t that more applicable to the christcuck? If you believe in the magical sky Santa, you’re probably gullible in a lot of different arenas in life. You actually go to bed and talk to yourself, pretending Santa will here your magic wish? Pathetic and sad.

did i say taht ?

and if you knew anything about "religion" you would know Iesus said that NO MAN hath seen the Father so idk quit thing so small its unbecoming

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That's a complete fucking lie, not ONCE was the bible banned in Europe, and Christian persecution is a myth made up by Christians like the kikes they are

But please, dare us
Dare us to persecute you, ban your bible, see what happens, how much you endure

Not many Christians in Japan or Muslims areas LOL

I'm not sure what that broken English is supposed to mean. Why don't you look up how your religion has changed? Why is Christmas the winter equinox? Why is Catholicism practically a polytheistic religion. Even the books chose for your pure book were decode for political reasons above all others

no its not people have venerated the Gods forever look at Greece and Egypt the GREATEST civilizations to exist and they were all EXTREMELY religious can you explain that?

Where did ancient sand people get that knowledge from in pic related?

See Quantum Physics, Laws of Physics, Abiogenesis, Mathematics, Consciousness, String Theory. All prove the necessity of a creator and intelligent design.

>"“He stretches out the northern sky over empty space, suspending the earth upon nothing.”" Job 26:7

>"“All the streams flow into the sea, yet the sea is not full. To the place from which the streams flow, there they return so as to flow again.”" Ecclesiastes 1:7

>(1 Corinthians 15:39) Not all flesh is the same flesh, but there is one of mankind, and there is another flesh of cattle, and another flesh of birds, and another of fish.

>2 Samuel 22:16 - The valleys of the sea were exposed and the foundations of the earth laid bare at the rebuke of the Lord, at the blast of breath from his nostrils.

>Jonah 2:5-6 - 5Waters encircled me clear to [the] soul; the watery deep itself kept enclosing me...6To the bottoms of [the] mountains I went down.

>Job 38:16 - Have you gone to the springs in the sea or walked through the valleys of the ocean depths?

>1 Corinthians 15:41 - The sun has one kind of glory, while the moon and stars each have another kind. And even the stars differ from each other in their glory.

>(Psalm 139:16) Your eyes saw even the embryo of me, And in your book all its parts were down in writing,

The earth hangs over nothing, water flows in cycles, all organisms are made of different organic materials, the ocean floors have valleys, springs, and mountains; every star is individually unique from one another and human embryo development is kept in code or in writing.

Where did those ancient writers get this knowledge from? What Jew swam to ocean floors and discovered pic related?

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Have to use something beyond the good old book boi

>Explain that

They were a primitive and inferior people.

>You owe me proof if you want to base public policy around your beliefs

I agree. But i wasn't talking about such cases in the first place, rather in the context of being entitled to receiving proof in a mongolian forum or any other place where everyone isn't particulary required to do exactly as you ask. Which, amazingly, is the context we find ourselves in right now. As per your other examples, they are fairly specific and i see no problem in wording them like that, as long as one recognizes (for example) that not every christian supports Israel (it's mostly people who love their pozzed Scofield Bible) and as such not everyone is required to explain or discuss that particular issue unless you yourself incur in a poor generalization.

I gotcha. Thanks for taking the time to gather those links and the pic friend, i'll give them a read later

>Ok but it didnt just form, did it?
>It came from maybe a 275 molecule
You don't understand evolution or genetics
icr.org/article/mathematical-impossibility-evolution/
You need every "component" to be sucessful with esch other, it isn't possible to get just "one part right" and "stick with another"

There is still some value on the morality lessons fo the bible. But you gotta pick and choose or you will be a hypocrite and an asshole too