How does Jow Forums feel about antidepressants?

>multivitamins
EAT fruits and vegetables faggot, essepiclay those with lot of iron

well now i feel like i shouldn't trust medical advice i get from Jow Forums.

antidepressants are gay

pills are for niggers and wine aunts
get a hobby, pills are poison on the earth and the mind

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They will kill your brain cells and attract microwaves to your house. I think they use it as a targeting serum for the 5G towers. I had to cover my house with lead shielding on the parts where I walk the most because of interference. Do not take

Its not medical advice, you can get cancer idiot. But its better than killing w yourself

i agree with this. i just wish i knew whether or not i am in the overprescribed prey category.
Especially since i think a lot of the efficacy of these psychiatric drugs rest in how much faith you place in them.
So many idiots just pop the pills and become willingly dependent on the idea of being medicated.
I'm far too cynical for this to work, so I feel like the side effects will be magnified for me while not having the desired effects.

there is no med for laziness my friend. sounds weird that you loathe yourself yet you have social confidence. thats a good thing though I guess. My personal experience is that these two drugs serve the exact oposite purpose and its a bad idea to take both together. zoloft will make the suicidal thoughts go away and make you enjoy everything more to the point where you will stop caring about anything negative that you did in the past. its a really strong antidepressant. im no doctor ofc but I would say stay away from wellbutrin and find ways boost your energy naturally. btw every single one of these drugs has side effects but you can control them if you know what youre dealing with - weight gain sleepiness is guaranteed

do you mind telling me more about the side effects of the two?
And do you have any personal experience that turned you off so hard from wellbutrin?
also, how severe is the weight gain? I used to be chubby, and i don't wanna go back.
sleepiness would be a pro. i don't have a sleep schedule. i just take naps when i have time and zombie through the school/work day sleep deprived.

Try not being a pussy that might help.

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>I feel like the side effects will be magnified for me while not having the desired effects
That's exactly what happened to me back when I was on them. The side effects of Effexor were terrible for me, so try to avoid that one if you can. Once I got off them I actually felt better.

Also, I have a theory that these things are overprescribed because they have to be for the companies to even make any profit. Truly depressed people with a legit chemical imbalance are such a minority that just manufacturing the pills for them alone wouldn't be profitable, and could actually end up costing the companies more than they make. So they have to convince doctors that anybody who isn't smiling and laughing in every waking moment of their day is "depressed."

no you didn't you lying faget

I've talked to someone who said wellbutrin/bupropion turned him from a NEET into an ambitious person who was doing well and know someone else who said it helps them. I tried it and it did nothing for me, literally nothing. Not better or worse. No change.

I think it's fairly harmless though, different from SSRIs. It's even prescribed to people to quit smoking.

Psyfag here. They’re serious shit for serious problems. Their best use is to stabilize things so other therapies can work, or to keep someone functioning well enough to not kill themselves, lose their job and be out on the street, ect.

Tapering off if not needed is a good idea.

What non pharm therapy are you using, and is it working?

I used to take both for around 6 months changing the dosage. my tragedy is that I also took xanax every day and that messed me up. 1 month in I was a different person, no more suicidal thoughts thanks to zoloft and a general feeling of relief from not seeing everything as dark and ugly and pointless. I gained ALOT of weight, was always hungry and even when I tried to stop eating I kept gaining weight anyway. i always thought im becoming ''stupid'' or less observing and suspicious. Wellbutrin made me feel like superman. I felt like I could run fight fuck for 5 hours. I kept asking the shrink to up the dosage as much as possible and he gave me the max. thing is I felt too pumped at times and I had to take more xanax to relax. ended up building a tolerance and bla bla bla. because sometimes when I was feeling up from wellbutrin and didnt take xanax i wasnt thinking of grass fields and peaceful places. i was thinking i would run to my enemys place and torture him and break him bones. it only made me wonder what would cocaine feel like

Try to stay off them, but if you must, take a very low dose and for the love of god, dont mix with drugs or alcohol.

Study and learn Meditation user, it will change your life!

What you eat effects hormone levels.

I tried taking Trintellix for 3 months after no previous successes with any other antidepressant on the market but I figured after so many years that it was worth a try again.
By the time I was on 20mg, I was more depressed than I had been in awhile, I was also incredibly numb and the only reason I could tell I was more depressed than normal was the high degree of mental self-awareness I've developed over the years. It was like a closed door but knowing there's a monster on the other side.
On top of that, I was more angry and prone to aggression than before, my trigger had never been shorter and it was affecting my relation with my cat.
I took myself off it cold turkey, they say it can lead to worse rebounds but I'll never kill myself and very little could be worse than what I was experiencing on the drug.
My current plan is to get an ADHD med prescription and rely on dopamine from being productive to cultivate my happiness but I'm staying far the fuck away from antidepressants, it literally felt like taking an MK Ultra drug

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You shouldn’t.

No shit sherlock?

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>NP
>Therapist
Go see a real doctor

The effects are somewhat unpredictable.

what happened after wellbutrin didn't work for you?
also, what did your friends say about the side effects of wellbutrin?

welbutrin is linked to schizophrenia/psychosis (ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2738405/)
i was on it for a few months and it straight up would make me hallucinate. Apparently im not alone.

i see a social worker once a week, but i've made minimal progress over the course of the year.
like basically none.
I'm lucky in that I'm somebody who has a lot going for me, so even when i fuck shit up and fall into a pit of despair for a week, i still always find away to control the damage, so it's mostly just going in and out of deep depressions where i complain to him for those sessions, and when i'm up, i feel like there's not even any point to our sessions.

i think many cases of depression are dietary and lifestyle related
i saw one study where they put people on fish oil and something like 90 percent cured their depression
low cholesterol diets and low meat diets also cause depression
will post studies once i find them

What do you mean what happened? I ran out and that was it. Only took it for like 4-6 weeks. Don't remember. I didn't even get it prescribed, that friend gave it to me to try. The people I know who took it didn't say that had negative side effects but they were taking other stuff too. The other person also said she had a much bigger sense of motivation too. Common side effects are trouble sleeping and in rarer cases at high doses seizures.

thanks for sharing your experience

I was on them for 2 years and couldn't feel emotions. Felt like anything could happen and nothing would matter. Made me kill it with women, I got a lot of pussy, but it wasn't worth not feeling like a human. I would only take them again as a last resort. Work on yourself, go to the gym, that's honestly the best remedy and set actual attainable goals for yourself.

Everyone is different. I went from college dropout to a 4.0 on wellbutrin. It honestly didn’t do shit for my depression though, I just was better able to deal with it and go about my day. Fixing my life helped my depression, but I don’t know that I would have fixed it unmedicated.

I am pretty fucking salty that I refused help and bought into the anti - medication viewpoint for so long, but I definitely get that SSRIs or even Wellbutrin can fuck people up. A friend of mine started on ssris and slit her wrists a week later. She wasn’t suicidal before the drugs and she wasn’t after, so it seems like it was the drugs.

that's one of my worries with wellbutrin. im in college, im gonna drink.
>study and medidate
and that's why i need the medicine. any time i have to do something i don't wanna do, i can't focus my mind at all, and it just starts drifting to how much i hate life, and the more time i spend stewing instead of focussing the more hateful and unmotivated my thoughts get.

Do you have an understanding of why you’re depressed? Where it comes from?

I looked into SSRIs and apparently the worst time potentially on it is in the early stages because your body has to get used to it. I'm actually disappointed the bupropion didn't even give me a bad side effect. I wanted to feel something. I think that I'm one of those who doesn't respond to medication.

damn. imma save this and send it to my social worker

>Advices to begin smoking which causes cancer
>Nicotine helps to fight depression

Isnt it better to just chew nicotine gum ?

Poison.
I was forced to take Venlafaxine (Effexor). It ruined my short term memory, my intellect, and I didn't get a single boner the whole time I was taking it. I quit as soon as I was let out which gave me mood swings and brain zaps for 3 days. I was lucky that my brain and cock went back to how they were before, which isn't the case for some people.

this is interesting because i too have read that diet can make a really big difference.

California rock fuel

I was prescribed wellbutrin for anxiety probably 15 years ago. Took that poison for about a week. Was freaking out nearly the whole time. I know what they mean about how they make you suicidal. It was like I was trapped in my head; that makes no sense. Ended up in the ER 2 times because I was freaking out so much. As I was coming off of it, I was getting the "brain zaps" that you can read about. Felt like my brain was mounted on springs and it just sprung around for a second or two.

I mostly just deal with my anxiety now, which is less severe now anyway (heart pounding and skipping beats for hours). Also have very shady opinion of doctors. They don't know shit, especially about these drugs.

Maybe they could help you, but from my experience, I hope you are able to find another safer way to feel better. No horseshit, user.

bro what? you can't self-medicate on somebody else's prescription for over a month. that's nuts

don't fucking take them
anti-depressants give depressed people the energy to actually commit suicide
this is why people are under watch and required for regular checkups after they've been prescribed
t. told my psych to eat a dick

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Anyone here take Sertraline?

I take 50mg daily. Social anxiety is reduced.

I also take 200-300mg Modafinil daily to combat fatigue at work, I don't have a prescription for this one though.

>Do you not get hungry?
>How do you have so much energy?
>Why are you so fast?

I love this feel.

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Try CBD oil. It could help with your depression and its a natural remedy.

they ever hit you with mirtazapine?

Nope, what's that?

whats a good dosage for cbd oil? i only tried once i think it was 3% and I took 3-4 drops sometimes. felt nothing

im so glad white boy retards are so happy to admit that they go to therapy and take retard-pills these days

i don't really know. like i said, i've been in pits where i truly wanted to die since i was in 6th grade.
And usually these are triggered when i fuck something up academically.
I'm lucky in that i do really well in school without having to try, and im a pretty amiable guy, so a lot people let me get away with stuff.
so even if i blow off deadlines, i can crap a perfect 10 page research paper out of my ass in 6 hours, and the prof likes me so i can get away with it.
But it's not a good feeling when you do this dozens and dozens of times and don't do as well as you know you should because you physically cannot make yourself do the work.

Even right now i should be doing some work, but i'm on Jow Forums because it's better than failing at forcing myself to read something as the self-loathing thoughts takeover and send me into a pit.
I'll pay for it when the deadline comes up in three days, but who cares? i'll make out fine anyway. i always do. just won't live up to my potential

Hey Cam, get a load of this square lole
She wanted me to try anti-pyshs next, that's where I drew the line lol I researched all the stuff extensively, like I said wellbutrin is pretty harmless

Before this I tried every nootropic/vitamin/what have you in the book. And that was after I already ate a good diet and worked out. My options were exhausted.

I guess kratom is still an option though never tried

non-addictive anti-anxiety meds
stay the fuck away from them they will dumb you down

Hmm, I was just put straight on Sertraline and I'm having success with it, I'm still a shut in but I'm making a goddamn effort to improve my life and my future you know?

I have "episodes" sometimes where everything seems hopeless and I feel absolutely worthless and inhuman.

Honestly the Modafinil pretty much erradicates the fatigue related side effects though.

ill definately stay away from that stuff though.

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I think 3% is too low for any mood benefits. You probably need to try the stuff at 10% or more. Im not an expert ofc, just been very interested in cbd lately.

>This is entirely genetic and not environmental
How so, if genetics is closely linked to environmental factors? (epigenetics) The only real dispute is about percentages.

Don't take welbutrin. It literally gave me a seizure.
Don't take anything fast acting.
Take an SSRI or SNRI if you really have to. They take a month to start working, but you won't be a drugged out weirdo or OD.
Anti-depressants helped me get out in the world, be social, try new things, try to get good grades, and now I feel like I'd like to go off them and see if having a normal life with friends and decent eating and exercise habits really is enough to keep me going.
If you haven't made any effort to not be a lazy fat ass on your own, try that first, but if your think you want to kill yourself you might as well try everything first.

Ok man go for it

Antidepressants should not be necessary in a normal and healthy society.

slow and steady immersion therapy did more for me than their kiked out tablets.
if i'm being honest stay away from them all and just go slowly the human brain can repair itself without these things

Seriously, you’re bummed out and you can’t even just be bummed out? Take the god damn pills

>chew nicotine gum
It also causes cancer. But if you want some nicotine the only non-causing-cancer way is snuffing tabak

>the human brain can repair itself without these things

Perhaps, I only recently sought help.

I spent all my teen years being a shutin and it got to a point where I didn't go outside for weeks at a time, nothing felt "real" everything felt hopeless.

At 25 I have a shit job but I'm making some money, I have a high end PC and all the weed I want.

Still a KHV but that probably won't change, might as well enjoy whatever is left of my youth to it's full potential.

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fpbp

You could vape there are no proven side effects (yet). Except for popcorn lung but that's from diacetyl but most liquid manufacturers stopped using that years ago. Just don't act cringy about it.

These drugs are somewhat unpredictable. And alcohol is a big no no with both,with even more unpredictable effects.

I’m not going to diagnose anything, but I would at least try some sort of talk therapy before going to the pills. Maybe something like cognitive behavior therapy to get perspective on your executive function..

A naturopath is no substitute or an actual doctor especially if you’re going with these medications

What drugs and therapy can’t give is an existential reason to live.

>Don't take welbutrin. It literally gave me a seizure

Same here. SSRI also made my dick go limp. F*ck those kike pills. I remember pharma bro (shkreli) was researching into ketamin for depression before they put him into the sack.

>SSRI also made my dick go limp.
Temporarily or permanently? For some people it's a lifetime thing.

i was like that
then i got angry and punched a junkie multiple times in the face for kicking a cat while i was on the way to the corner shop.
you get a much needed confidence boost after watching some degenerate cunt scream about how he can't see

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I used to vape for some time but ive sold my vape yesterday. I just prefer normal ciggerates

Zoloft made me limp while i was on the drug. Effexor worsened attaining an erection and ejaculate. Those side effects went away after i quit those pills, luckily

does seeing a social worker not count as a talk therapy?
and i wasn't planning on messing around with the herbal voodoo.
>what drugs and therapy can't give is an existential reason to live
facts. i've been trying to read Victor Frankl's "Man's Search for Meaning" and it's interesting.
I just wish I had the motivation to actually get shit done. Both my LCSW and NP agreed when they talked that I'm a unique case because there's no reason why I should be as upset and stagnant as I am with how much potential i have so many things going for me.
I probably sound like a narcissistic internet jack-off, but I really am a pretty blessed guy. I just haven't been able to turn being born on 3rd base into a run.

How is your sexual atraction to women OP? Most people on anti depressants how it slip away without them even realising before it's too late and you are Asexual.

Too expensive to smoke the real ones here. Do you drink a lot? I only miss cigarettes when I drink. Something about the harshness of real smoke feels nice when you're drunk.
Then you and I were one of the lucky ones. SSRIs can give you permanent erectile dysfunction.

my relationship with women is a whole mess that Jow Forums probably wouldn't believe if i typed it out.
but that's one of the reasons i was looking at wellbutrin over zoloft. wellbutrin apparently is more likely to boost your sex drive rather than kill it further.

yeh fuck all that. I was on someting similar, maybe the same but different name in the UK. I got good with a girl and asked her over... I could not fuck her, my dick was limp and my mental was not interested in sex. It was really scary and depressing, I stopped taking the meds right there. It took 2 months to get my atraction to women to somewhat return my dick started to get hard again around the same time. It took a solid 6 months for things to return to normal. I was so happy to be intimidated by women again and generally get that feeling. It's like a target walking infront of your scope but you don't care when you are on those meds.

Fine if you actually need them but they get over-prescribed to fuck and back in America since Dr. Shekelberg can charge your insurance $500 per bottle. If I was an American I would literally go to another country for any sort of mental health treatment.

They're only for people with truly damaged brains. If you're feeling sad because of black pills or poor life circumstances you're way better off just getting cognitive behavioral therapy and turning off fucking social media.

or you can vape like a hipster
nicotine is a stimulant

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That's why I've avoided psychiatrists and went with an NP.
I went to a psych for an appt a few months ago after my therapist took a stand, and the guy literally asked me 8 super vague questions, typed some stuff on his computer, and then wrote me a script for bipolar medicine.
I basically ended the appt telling him that I don't trust him and never contacted his office for a follow up and never picked up the script.

when i told my therapist he said i had made a good call and that a lot of psychs are dickheads.

Crippling depression and anxiety all my life.

Been on lexapro for 8 years come at me.

I understand that it is probably doing me harm. Probably should try to get off it one of these days.

All i know is that it helped me live life again and become a somewhat functioning person.

> Getting medical advice on pol

You clearly need medication and have nothing to lose now, go ahead with it. Worked great for me.

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Eat well (fresh local food and not fucking vegan), exercise and spend time outside. Pills won't help you with shit, it's gonna catch up to you eventually.

> into being a zonked out, uncreative loser
You cannot end up where you begin.

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This too did not do a single thing for me. Got one with a bunch of properties in it too and a high dose.

>. this is literal mad doctor chemistry going on trying to balance between these 2 drugs to make you ''normal'' when you probably do nothing all day to change yourself naturally.
this
our depression and anxiety remains unchecked because we have almost no healthy relationships - most of us have some disorders, we grow up in dysfunctional families, then we face reality which doesn't care and we are pretty much powerless. We can't feel almost any attachment.
If anyone had at least once a good relationship with someone then he knows that you can have the strength to deal with problems; it's just that you mostly have no such strength is the cause of your struggle. We were never meant to live in an atomized society.

turning off social media i think made my depression worse. i only used twitter and insta, and my tweets were mini-famous in my hometown, and i fell out of touch a lot of people once i jettisoned myself from the platform and wasn't maintaining my reputation as the funny guy they went to hs with.
and my life circumstances are as damn good as anybody tbqh. Like i said above. Im a very lucky guy with all the things i have going for me. I feel like i was born on 3rd base, just can't manage to score a run.

ikr
i've been deliberating for over a year now and i get worse by the month.
may as well take the plunge.

I feel the side effects tell you everything you need to know

Cannabis is an antidepressent with positive side-effects such as protection from degenerate brain disease associated with memory and ageing