is what this theory can be called. It's based on the knot shape, pic related.
An NPC test is anyone that says >"Epstein killed himself in his cell" automatically fails the test.
Take a look at the Lark's head knot. The hitch onto which the knot is tied is that >Epstein is dead. But look at the knot; going to and coming from is the same direction. Translation: Two theories of Epstein being dead, both arbitrary half-aware brainlet tier. Either he was >A) Killed by this group/person. >B) Killed by that group/person.
"Cui bono?" (Who benefits?) is usually the best question to ask, and in this case it is far too vague to attempt to answer, thus it will remain unanswered until 100% verifiable forensic proof is brought forth, and Hell we're all still waiting around with our dicks in our hands for JFK. Even 9/11 and the Holohoax have unanswerable questions and mountains of conflicting evidentiary controversies.
So we will likely never know the unadulterated truth. But the wrong thing to do is get into discussions about who killed him.
MAKE IT A POINT OF FACT in your discourse, that, not motive (the same way you win a 9/11 or Holohoax argument), but EVIDENCE for his demise be brought forth. You can say things like "You doubt that he committed suicide but you don't doubt that he could have switched with someone else?" and what will follow is comparison and conjecture, but you have all the suspense on your side: "Well 'I' don't just believe what I'm told and 'I'm' going to wait until we can get some DNA evidence or an explanation on the cameras magically malfunctioning."
Some people are harder to accept their hypocrisy but if you point it out to them you did literally all you could possibly could. Can't demand investigation into 9/11 up to the evidence being destroyed. JFK has been dead a long, long time. But this body should be fresh and you can at the very least cross your arms and put on your best 'le smug' and show someone that's being ignorant that there is just as much reason to believe that he never actually died as there is to believe that he was indeed killed.
usually the most simple explanations are the correct ones, the guy is facing worldwide condemnation and imprisonment for life, its not surprising he killed himself. He had no reason to live, this isn't like Seth Rich.
Why don’t you just admit that you don’t actually have any proof that Epstein was murdered, and you’re just relishing this opportunity to play internet detective because it allows you to lord over normal people with your faux-insider knowledge and forget the crushing boredom and banality of your own life?
Jeremiah Butler
>doesn't understand definition of strawman You didn't provide any argument either. You just tossed out conjecture like a handful of shit from a chimpanzee. I don't know to whom this is directed, but I'm only highlighting doubt because we're not even allowed to see pictures of the body. Sounds like a reply to but you're free to clarify.
No I provided rationale based on occams razor, you've done nothing but spew bullshit theories based on zero facts.
Alexander Allen
YOU'RE the one providing a rationale based on ASSUMED "facts." You don't have any facts either, and you don't even understand what you're saying. A second away from being hidden in my filters kike shill non-argument faggot.
>misrepresenting someones argument to make it easier to attack so posting a picture of a retard with my argument isn't a misrepresentation to make it easier to attack?
Ethan Russell
The highest profile prisoner in the world today killing themselves while they're on suicide watch it literally the opposite of simplest explanations. It should be impossible.
Easton Harris
you're in literal "the earth is flat until i go up into outer space and see for myself" territory now
Christopher Miller
he wasn't on suicide watch
Samuel Price
No, I'm not misinterpreting the "argument", I'm saying it's a bad argument.
William King
Bump
Chase Sanders
no you're not when you post a picture, pictures of retards aren't rebuttals, articulate yourself you mouthbreather
Nicholas Cooper
False dichotomy you derailing damage control kikenblatz cunt retard.
Austin Young
>you're in literal "the earth is flat until i go up into outer space and see for myself" territory now And you're in the >i believe eberyting the tv man tells me territory
Jaxon Garcia
Then that's where the failing was. People made this happen. The officials at that prison should be facing the death penalty.
Jaxon Bennett
If you refuse the premise of his argument, that Epstein killed himself on the basis of facing worldwide condemnation for loli and imprisonment for life, on the basis that these are assumed facts, then how can you rely on those same and that he killed himself? You don't know them to be facts, either. It's a very simple point.
He was being pretty fucking reasonable with you. All you had to say was "Yes, that's possible, but so is my scenario.". Unless you're privy to some mysterious knowledge the rest of us don't have access to.
Jayden Scott
Exactly. Didn't he make a claim that someone tried to kill him? Either way, it's not too much to ask that >The highest profile prisoner in the world today as you put it have a autopsy and some forensic confirmation.
Charles Phillips
Listen, I know you're all sitting in that discord server or wherever the hell it is that you cretins converse, but it is baffling surprising that he "killed himself" and it simply makes no sense whatsoever. In fact, the occam's razor explanation points much further to him being killed than him being able to kill himself.
I'm. NOT. saying he killed himself, or didn't kill himself and was killed. I'm saying there is no reason to believe that it was either possible or likely that he could have taken his own life and there is plenty of reason to believe that there is a way for us to cut the bullshit and get down to the facts. Now people like you and him want to play grab ass and act like the mainstream narrative holds some kind of water, and I'm going to call you retarded for that.
Now we're all caught up to speed. Reasonable my fuzzy bean bag, friend.
Colton Brooks
Yeah. Right. Occam's Razor totally applies to the strange death of a rich, powerful, and imprisoned pedophile who is demonstrably connected to to royalty, the Clintons, and the mossad.
In a world whose history is filled with the foul-play and conspiracies of the powerful we should expect that Epjew's death is a simple and straightforward event. Totally.
Got it. You're retarded.
Remember: traitors first, (((you))). Have your (((you))) shekel. Enjoy it.
Even if he killed himself the fact that somebody like Epstein was able to actually do it while in a high security jail AFTER a failed suicide attempt absolutely fucking reeks. Officials took him off suicide watch without reason 2 weeks ago apparently. All of the officials at that prison should hang.
Wow what a coincidence! we'll chalk this up to a simple administrative error, oopsies, we weren't expecting this even though he already self harmed
Dylan Smith
Requesting Motive = Led conjecture, pointless.
FACTS MOTHERFUCKER > > > > > > >
Nicholas Murphy
Reminder for the real people: ~You're going to encounter chatbot-style replies. ~By agreeing with my premise you're not proposing anything other than doubt. ~When "certain people" itt propose opposition, you are free to challenge them, not the other way around. ~THEY have to explain how on earth what happened could have possibly happened. You have doubt, and thus all the discussion's weight on your side.
Start recalling it as "Lark's head" - We're all Anonymous so I'm not taking credit here. But when it comes up in conversation, call it "Lark's head theory"
Grayson Bennett
You rely on the same facts he does in order to discuss this, is my point, which you didn't address.
>but it is baffling surprising that he "killed himself" and it simply makes no sense whatsoever. It is, I completely agree with you there. It's weird. I don't know if it's true or not.
But your reasoning is all kinds of fucked up schizophrenic - The only way you know he's dead at all, is because of the media. You assume the media report that he was dead was true. To disagree with user earlier, you dismissed as conjecture his suggestion that Epstein simply killed himself, and conjecture is exactly what you're doing, based on the same facts. Instead of kicking and screaming, read what people are saying to you.
It's clearly negligent, especially with him being so high profile.
Christopher Myers
Epstein was murdered. The agents sent to kill him hijacked the security cameras, broke into his cellar, set up the hanging equipment, and lynched Epstein.
Ian Martinez
Occams razor fails miserably in the face of abject ignorance.
>You assume the media report that he was dead was true. No. I don't. I, honestly, am guessing the opposite. I think he's still alive and will live out his days in some unknown location, much like the private island he owned for however long.
Logan Sanchez
user posted a picture of you. It is an insult.
Jaxon Sanders
Pure Pilpul. Tell me how suicide was possible in a cell like this. And if you can't use anything other than conjecture, the doubt remains.
>retard chimps out when cornered like fucking pottery
Samuel Hall
Go back to watching your cuck and incest porn Moshe and Doovid. In fact, why don't you send me a letter from hell where you'll be for all eternity מעגל
Adrian Harris
It doesn't matter. The only reason you know of a kike called Epstein at all is because of the media. Someone accused of fiddling that many kids, and it being globally known, is a very simple and very believable narrative for suicide, and you can't rule that out if you for some reason think he's gone into hiding. Why would he go into hiding? Could it be that he fiddled many kids and it was globally known?
If you want to browse this shithole, you need a thicker skin, but you need to turn on your pea sized 50% nigger 15% taco, 100% I have Finnish and Italian heritage, American brain.
>more ad hominems No, it's much more entertaining watching you shit yourself after being utterly BTFO.
Elijah Martin
Your types are worthy of hate. The most infernal hate.
Beati qui esuriunt et sitiunt justitiam: quoniam ipsi saturabuntur.
Dominic Collins
stop using logic
Dylan Taylor
>If you want to browse this shithole, you need a thicker skin, but you need to turn on your pea sized 50% nigger 15% taco, 100% I have Finnish and Italian heritage, American brain.
Alright, that was worth a laugh, granted. Just staying ahead of the chatbots. You do know they are a thing around these parts, don't you?
Logan Jenkins
>insulting me in a language I don't understand is going to make me mad literally kindergarten tier debate skills, user. But please, do keep seething, I'm going to make a killing off of all this salt I'm mining.
Blake Myers
Tie a rope to a turd in the toilet and flush it. The flushing power will tug on his neck long enough to asphyxiate him.
Lucas Nguyen
Here's the thing, people are believing that the Clintons are directly responsible for this. This isn't something a public figure would have their hands in, at all. If anything, they would have been told not to worry. Now I'm not saying the Clintons, the Prince, Obamas, or even the Trump's didn't benefit from the "suicide" of Epstein, but this is way more broad and deep than them. A lot of people wanted him dead. Entire financial empires and institutions are at stake. The public faces we're associating with this aren't even the big losers, politicians go down all the time and we elect another puppet. Now picture the consequences if the public finds out Epstein was an informant for the CIA and Mossad. Imagine the shit show if it came out that our government was allowing/using a billionaire pedo to use sex trafficking as a means to gain control over politicians, celebrities, media personnel, banker, and businessmen. Imagine the dominoes that would tumble.
Stop sniffing after his ass. He's funny whereas you suck. >shit yourself after being utterly BTFO Implying fear? Read more faggot, this is anger and frustration, like what your girl feels after sex when she's in the bathroom trying to think of a real man when you fail to make her cum. Checked, and just copy and paste it into your search bar if you have two brain cells to rub together to make a sound. It's Matthew 5:6, I should have said that I guess since you need all the help you can get...
Jeremiah Hill
So he bribed the guards to let him kill himself. It’s the most boring and disappointing thing possible, so it’s probably true.
>undeniably seething >"checked" >proceeds to keep seething my sides are in orbit, if you're going to put on a tough guy act you don't fucking drop it for a moment just because some random fuckwad got three numbers in a row.
Samuel Diaz
>Stop sniffing after his ass. He's funny whereas you suck. seething
I'm glad you like it, because it describes you perfectly. I'm still waiting for an intelligent response from you.
Jackson Murphy
>internet knows shit It's a hitch
Joshua Butler
It's also called a cow hitch. Still a hitch
Kevin Martin
In this case the simplest explanation is that he was knocked off.
>CC-camera failed
Procedure would dictate that a guard go down to cellblock and babysit him all night until the camera was fixed.
Wyatt Clark
clog sink with TP. Turn handle. Wait until room slowly fills with water.
Michael Morgan
(You)
Jordan Campbell
U mad man. Thnx if it ever comes to it. I think it's better than running full bore head first into the wall.
Benjamin Campbell
Good form. Nice reply.
t. Destiny sóy thumbnail incarnate Your parents secretly wish they aborted you. That's good, measurable sting. Don't be pedantic man, it's just what comes up in the search terms. Imaginative, not realistic but fun cartoonish visual.
Only thing available is outfit and bedding, need some kind of long conductive metal. Exactly, but the "why don't you believe he killed himself" people spouting that narrative here are offering nothing tangible on which to base that assumption. They're saying "Why 'don't' you believe something for which the only 'evidence' that you have is a mainstream narrative?"
There's good enough reason to believe he was killed. Ok FINE if you want to say that he committed suicide and you want to remain strident (not you personally but anyone that holds that opinion)- let me ask: Which one is more likely to demand investigation and real answers? I HATE... I HATE... to agree with AOC about this, but there are a lot of unanswered questions and thinking that he killed himself one way or another does not strike at the evidentiary truth we're looking for as asking "Is he even really dead?"
But you see how many people are here touting their bullshit and conflating doubt with belief.
Jeremiah Hall
It matters when you need to untie. I guess it doesn't if you're not in the physical world and only care where your TV remote it
Justin Carter
>need some kind of long conductive metal water is conductive too ya know
Xavier Cooper
Okay, maybe he killed himself, but could someone at the very least propose that it's not just likely because they say so but offer the compromise of 'just as much' doubt? Or do the people ideologically-possessed people that believe wholeheartedly that narrative, that anyone who has any doubt must be >schizo >off his meds etc.? Can we have a discussion about how completely unreasonable it is that he would even be able to do such a thing instead of focusing on motive, which belies a certainty of factual claims that is shortly after thrown in the face of the doubters, as though the doubt itself conveys a belief, that only serves to cloud poignant topics?
Carter Young
top kek
Levi Mitchell
Can he splash enough water upwards and on his whole body to electrocute himself from an outlet? It's uh... well maybe you could just describe what you think the outlet might have to do with it?
Wyatt Lewis
Epstein was a frontman to the MEGA Group of Jewish billionaires. They finance both the Clinton's and Trump's campaign. If they want something, their bribe money is unlimited.
Hunter Price
Toilet paper can get wet. Sticks to walls.
Jacob Adams
Can toilet paper conduct an electric charge enough to... "zap" him, to death?
Asher Ramirez
based and ropepilled
Xavier Sanchez
Trump largely self financed actually. Particularly the primary.
Dunno, depends how conductive his body/suicide smock is, and whether the outlet is actually hooked up.
Carter Lopez
Epstein had no known family to protect. Probably on purpose. In that crime/spying/blackmail environment it is better not to have family that somebody could kidnap or murder.
>t. climber scout Go take it up with the national institute of knots or boyscouts or i'm-right-dot-blog Who fucking cares.
Call it the lark's head hitch for fucks sake then idfc just put a label on the notion and understand it as such. Trivial minded focus, either autism damage control.
Liam Perry
I didn't think he did. But if it was an actual suicide, then why? People are saying he was depressed and shamed, he didn't want to live out the rest of his days in jail. That doesn't pass the smell test with me because he's been here before and got off easy. He probably had assets and favors owed to him from all over, so why kill himself now? Does a guy like this feel shame, anyways? I don't think so.
Joshua Taylor
en wikipedia org/wiki/List_of_hitch_knots A hitch is a knot is a hitch is a bitchbitchbitchbitch
all of 9/11 research was shit up through redirection by shills, several of them connected to israel. Unending arguing about holograms, false planes, missiles, nuclear bombs, jet fuel melts steel, etc.was pushed to drive people away from asking WHO to arguing about PHYSICS.
Mason Brooks
Yeah it's a common tactic. Like this "Anthony Bourdain" body double idea getting passed around...
>Okay, maybe he killed himself, wew, fucking finally lad. Good to see I wasn't wasting my time.
>but could someone at the very least propose that it's not just likely because they say so but offer the compromise of 'just as much' doubt? Nobody ruled that out as a possibility. But you don't go off on an autistic tangent attacking that burger for presenting a simpler solution, especially if you present yourself as a reasonable man interested in thorough discussion. If you're not going to lurk before posting, and judging from your post count and content in this thread - you aren't, you should at least treat other posters with the same respect you expect for yourself, otherwise you will be ridiculed like you have been, until you get it.
Evan Reed
Epstein committed a locked room murder mystery on himself. The simplest explanation is that someone else got in and killed him. By calling it a suicide, you're crediting him for managing to smuggle the means and the opportunity to kill himself.
The suicide theory suggested a total neglecting took place, where the prison essentially went on strike at the moment the suicide took place. He might've just as well walked out under those conditions. The Occam's razor points towards murder, otherwise we're giving different explanation to every single human error that was let to happen.
The suicide theory relies on so many human errors it becomes a Rube Goldberg's machine.
Juan Reed
Ya know something, you're right in a sense. I started swinging because (not only this place has taken it's toll on me, but) the idea that he actually killed himself(, to me,) is so imbecilic it borders the shill territory. You've more or less provided the groundwork for potentiality of doubt so I'm not going to press you about what you really believe, though the curious compels me to do just that. >Nobody ruled that out as a possibility. This is rather contested as when someone says (more or less) "Why don't you believe" / "It's perfectly reasonable to believe" / "Occam's Razor shows" --- "the most likely explanation is that he committed suicide while in custody with... whatever?, 'however' it may have been possible..."
It doesn't seem possible at all that this could have happened. But, technically, we can't rule it out. So it's granted. And if you're overall point is that I was being rude then I concede, in earnest. Alright? No bad blood.
Just trying to find the answers. The fish in a lake of pond scum. Other analogies.. I don't doubt you're genuine, but I hope you can see this point of view.
No one challenges the doubt itself, and they make assumptions that doubt equals belief.
Oliver Myers
>not just poisoning yourself with your own fecal matter
