I am going to be a father soon and I've been wondering what would be the right way to raise your child in regards to displince. I fear if i go down to strict on him , I will turn him into a pushover cuck when he grows up. But if I'm too soft on him, he's going to end up being an unmanageable entitled little shit. How do i achieve the perfect balance, is there any books or youtube channels that you guys recommend in this regard?
Also while writing this post I've assumed it will be a boy, even though i don't know yet, what should i do differently if turns out to be a girl.
The best thing you can do user is love him. Spend time with him. Give him attention. Tell him you love him. There’s a balance, because you don’t want your chi,d to end up a pussy, but just make sure that you give him attention.
Henry Gray
>bump
Grayson Scott
I have nothing to contribute other that your OP pic is hilarious and don't fuck it up, faggot.
Also, checked.
Jason Turner
Tell your child that you love him every day. Dont tell him about dangers of drugs, tell him dangers of alcohol. Tell him vaping is gay. And tell him that he should not be afraid to fight anyone. except police
Colton Turner
You're British. There is no hope. You can raise them how you want but everyone knows kids want to be more like their peers.
And you know what most kids are like these days. He will be a knife wielding killer by the time he's 10
Henry Lewis
Establish a good relationship with your child. Be your child's friend almost as much as you are a father to them. That doesn't mean let your kid do whatever he wants - discipline him when he does wrong to teach him the laws and expectations of society. But for the long term, form a strong bond with your child. If your child genuinely loves you, he will be afraid to disappoint you.
Asher Mitchell
In modern society, you do not have any say in how the child is raised. The decision is entirely the child's mother's and you either go along with what she decides or you won't be allowed to have a role in the child's life. Any authority you have regarding how the child is raised is whatever authority the mother decides to permit you to have, an authority that can be revoked at any time by her at will.
Unfair, yes, but that's modern life.
Nathan Gomez
Do stuff. Randomly barking at a wandering child getting into shit will destroy them. Do chores. Build shit. Clean house. While you do this correct them sternly when mistakes are made. After any emotional reaction calms down, then explain the Where's and Why's of the "rules" we follow. And ALWAYS reinforce positive behavior through all of it. Give them tasks you know they will fail, and teach the lessons of the mistakes, and an "atta boy" for the noble attempt. Make mistakes a rooted part of learning so they don't end up one of the spineless SJW faggots, afraid of their own shadow, and requiring a Participation Trophy just for passing gas. Consistent discipline is another key in long term parenting. If you say "Time-Out for 15 minutes", they don't come out a second before. You don't want to undermine and question your own authority, do not let your wife do it either. Then, after the punishment, reinforce the lesson as to why the it was meted out, and then get back to work and having fun.
Noah Evans
>knife wielding killer Im not raising my kid in some estate in lewisham i live in a posh bit of Kent
Caleb Sanders
That dumb bitch had better get her fucking shoes off the couch
Connor Roberts
>Start him on guns as soon as he's old enough to hold one safely >Lots of sports, and manly sports like football or hockey >Have a firm but fair hand, reward him for good work, punish him for insolence >Keep him off tv/movies as much as possible, ditto for video games, encourage lots of red pilled books >Home school, or a good private school if you dont feel capable of home schooling >Get him a job as soon as he's able, even if it's just mowing lawns or doing odd jobs >Move the fuck out of Britain
Jonathan Torres
Well the mother is as new and unsure of this as i am, we haven't had any real fights yet
Liam Reed
>Move the fuck out of Britain And move to where? America is worse and im shit at language learning so i can't go to Poland or something
Camden Nguyen
Honestly and I'll give you an answer based on my own experience. No access to the internet before 16 and even then under controlled access. From a very young age read your kid classics, the Bible, because all stories have a morality, the Iliad and the Odyssey, don't be too harsh because kids are prone to mistakes but don't be too soft either, if it's a girl keep a tight leash on her but not too tight or come puberty she'll do all the opposite of what you taught her, and most importantly get the mother to agree with and not undermine you.
Do not let your kid be raised by TV or screens in general, if possible always have a parent with the kid, always ask your kid about what he learned in school and correct if needed, never let a teacher push your kid into psychiatry and mind altering drugs, and provide your kid with outdoors activity from the youngest possible age.
Aaron Morris
That brow ridge is strong
Levi Howard
Pretty sure the state will make all those decisions for you when you send your child to compulsory public education. Enjoy feeding a future Blacked.com subscriber for 18 years.
Joseph Gonzalez
Congratulations and good luck user.
Oliver Lee
Man. I live in a small Devon town and there's stories like this
>compulsory public education. I could homeschool them, it's legal here, but I don't think i would really make a good tutor beyond IT(plus i wouldn't have the time) and my wife isn't really a fan of the idea and doesn't think she'd be a good teacher. Homeschooling does seem appealing though with all the homo shit schools teach
Angel Reed
Don't worry about it too much. Your instincts will kick in and you'll do fine user. Enjoy your new family!
Luke Garcia
That’s great to hear. Never fight, if you can, and do not have conflict with your wife in the presence of your children. Constant fighting at home will ruin a kids mental state during formative years. Be a role model for your kids, be kind, but firm, be loving, but discipline them when they do wrong. BE INVOLVED - talk to your kid, take their thoughts and ideas seriously, and if they say or do anything stupid, help them to learn and grow instead of ridiculing or cutting them down. Spend time and have fun, be a friend to them - this doesn’t mean letting them do whatever they want, but make sure that they feel close to you and can talk to you about anything. If your child loves you and respects you, they will strive to do right by you. The media and schools will try and emasculate your son - don’t fill him with paranoia or hatred for the system, but show him a model of a real man that he can emulate - confident, assertive, but respectful and humble - and he can sidestep the negative conditioning of society at large.
Jack Reed
Think of all the cucks you know. they all lack a strong father. The harder you are, the stronger they will be. 50% single mothers is why America had become a shithole
Gavin Martin
This is very important OP. Do not let your kid have much exposure to mass media, it is very poisonous. Don’t be overbearing and make it a point of contention, or your kid will feel a desire to go out of his way to rebel and obsess over obtaining what he feels to be forbidden fruit. Instead, spend time with him, reading classics and genuine literature to him, and giving him great books when he can read on his own - he’ll naturally feel the superiority of the real deal when it comes to literature/art and ignore mass media of his own volition this way. No exposure to the internet either - there are too many degenerate sub communities and places on the internet that normalize harmful behaviors and make them seem normal, and to a young, naive, mind, they’ll naturally accept anything portrayed as normal and pattern themselves off of harmful viewpoints and behaviors.
Cooper Evans
I've been woke and chabad3rdtemplepilled for years now, some might say it's "blackpilled" and whatever, demoralizing.
I've never saw a more blackpilled, abysspilled thread on pol than this one. We are so fucked, our boomer parents were so brainwashed, so fucked beyond repair....
> THAT WE LOOK FOR FUCKING PARENTING ADVICE ON FUCKING POL
Also, don't listen to anyone here unless they say the following: Raise him by setting an example.
Nathan Martin
If you want a disciplined son or daughter, be a disciplined person. If you're under control, your children will be under control, so long as your nuclear family is intact. If you destroy your family unit, you will destroy yourself, your spouse, and your children. Be strong, and of good courage. Raise your children to be people you would like, were they not your children, whom you love.
Evan Harris
Make sure he's circumcised, his umbilical cord is clamped early, he's injected with vitamin K, ideally pitocin is used, he's irradiated by microwaves, DO NOT breastfeed. Vaccinate him with everything you can. Inject him with things you find around the house. Injections are good.
Also - I don't want to hijack your thread user, but I was just visiting my parent, my favorite boomers, talking about SERIOUS stuff this time, because I'm sick of their insane obsession with "traveling" and "weather report" conversations that always come up when I visit.
I started mentioning how - for example - $2000 paycheck IN CROATIA means very little nowadays if you're BLANK SLATE if you're not inheriting something, like for example a real estate. I don't count on inheriting anything from them, they're not rich and above all, they are HARD CORE believers in that "18 years old get out of the house and start like WE DID from scratch". So I did.
10 years later I'm still grinding. I told them they got lucky like no other generation in history, since they (as a generation) inherited the land from their poor manual labor working parents and grandparents and sold it for x10 to some foreigners, and also they lived during the time where if you held any job, literally ANY job for 10+ years you could build a vacation house.
Things didn't go well. Very depressed and sad listening to my parents telling me that I need to "adapt" and "earn more" (I work in IT and I told them about the pajeet remote worker problems).....and they said I'm very "negative" about the world and that's why my reality is like it is.
One user said >imagine how bad things are when men are asking for parenting advice from other anons... the white race is down from the filthy rat kikes, but not completely broken. We can make a come back one last push fellas. All you must do is have white children, stop putting it off and do it!
Ryan Allen
Just love the kid, dummy. You’re going to consistently fuck up anyways.
Xavier Campbell
She hasn't yet discovered how much power the law gives her. However, do not expect her naivety to persist. Eventually, through a girlfriends or a female colleague at work, she will grow to realize that she pretty much owns you.
One fight is all it takes for her to pull that trigger. In the meantime, the persistent threat of her pulling that trigger, i.e., using the state to take your child away from you, will cause you to behave in a manner she won't find sexually attractive. This circumstance is all by second wave design whose expressed goal is to empower women by destroying marriage. >in reality it's the realization of the Marxist potential. >Women don't marry men, they marry the state.
I've thought about the same when I found out my wife was pregnant. I read a lot of books and articles on parenting. What i've found out is dont go to either extreme. Dont be too lax or too strict. Give your children boundaries and teach them manners but never hit or yell at them about it just discuss it and why its important. Best of luck user.
Kevin Martinez
Prepare him for the wars to come.
Xavier Sanchez
>Dont be too lax or too strict.
I don't wanna be a dick but you literally can't give a more vague advice than this. Don't be left but don't be right. Just don't be too up but also don't be too down. Don't be too hot but make sure you're not too cold.
Damn.
Ayden Nguyen
What are you talking about? There's a word in english called moderation, that's what i'm saying. Dont yell or hit them, dont let them be a free spirit. Do give them boundaries and explain those boundaries to them so they understand.
Robert Reed
Three warnings of spankings and then following through when they are young. Adolescents is a different animal though, your on your own there. Maybe don't physically destroy them if they get cocky and throw a punch at you? Nurture their interests, I used to be a 1337 gamer during the Master Chief Trilogy days; but could never follow through with getting into the tournament scene due to my dad being an ubertrad protestant. As far as literature goes; maybe check out some of the eco-fascist stuff or ask /lit/. Stay away from (((runbyjews)))tube. Either way, were here if you need us man.
Make sure you’re there for them always, sacrifice personal indulgence to give them a better life, get them involved in sports so they’re not anti social beta fags, educate them and make them read, don’t rely on public schools
Easton Cruz
>Three warnings of spankings and then following through when they are young
So do you think Stef's daughter will grow up effed up since Stef is staunch NON AGGRESSION preacher?
Every boomer conversation i have i have an inflation record open to reframe all thier idiot bs for them
Last one was with a boomer that couldn't understand why people wouldn't accept
Camden Martin
Have as few rules as possible, but make those rules very strict. That way he'll have lots of freedom to experiment and learn on his own, but he'll also have clear limits on what is just not acceptable as a human being. Both things are very important. Freedom is capital to rise a healthy child, and so are basic human boundaries. Remember that you'll have full authority and executive powers if you want. So don't over use them or it'll backfire. Few reasonable rules, VERY strict. Then go and do cool stuff with him, remember that he'll grow and you'll get old, so really enjoy your time together doing cool shit as much as possible. Also I strongly recommend you stay as far away from (((sleeping and eating methods))) as you can. And basically keep an eye for all the big noses surrounding anything that has to do with how you decide to rise your kid.
Cameron Anderson
It's crazy. You know what hurts the most. I know we all hate kikes for their satanic pedo molech shit but me personally apart from destroying the spirit of decency and morality it's these insane lunacies they managed to instill in our parents heads.
The boomers unironically think that everyone should start with ZERO money, imagine how evil of a lie and scam that is? While Ariel and Chaim live on generational wealth that's tightly safeguarded and passed down by elders, we...I mean I get Sam Hyde fully man he really is the prophet, I mean, fuck we are goyim scum. We are.
We shoot ourselves in the foot, we take pride in "bootstraps" meme and starting from 0, we unironically say shit like "if I ever get rich I won't leave shit to my kids dont wanna spoil them"......we're insane.
Beyond repair.
Andrew Russell
or victim
Josiah Bell
I don't know if you're still here but never spank your child. It doesn't work. This is from personal experience.
Time outs will always work. It helps them reflect upon their behavior. Hitting them only makes them insects and slaves. You don't want a slave. You want an independent human when they grow up.
Jeremiah Rodriguez
>I don't count on inheriting anything from them, they're not rich and above all, they are HARD CORE believers in that "18 years old get out of the house and start like WE DID from scratch". So I did. Why would you even talk to them at this point? They clearly don't care about you and you have no way to benefit from associating with them.
Charles Campbell
Be firm but not cruel. Teach them how to survive in the modern world and watch for the wolves in sheep's clothing through society. Value hard work and effort and expose them to those values. Celebrate intelligence and free thought without assuming they will jump to the same conclusions you do since they are not carbon copies. Be sympathetic to their frustration but don't let them just wallow in it. But more than anything make sure they feel loved, however it is you can express that.
Nolan Cox
i don't know about girls, i've had 3 boys, boys will naturally look up to you, you have to be a leader and an example. be all of the virtues you wish to see in your sons. As others have said it's a balance, when they are really young they will not be able to grasp the realities of the world we live in, do not lie to them in order to protect them, tell them the truth but do it in such a way they can understand, when one of my boys was 3 his cat died and we had to have a conversation about death and how all things eventually die, i pulled up a picture on the internet showing the various stages of life and explained that he's young and great grandad is old and his time will eventually come as well...and that's ok and it's why we must cherish the things we love while we can. i dunno, maybe it's just my kids but they seem to be pretty grounded and from teh age of two they were able to make the distinction between what is pretend and what is real...it was an annoying couple of months trying to sort that out but they got it and seem better for it.
i think too many people don't treat thier kids like people, instead they treat them as just this thing they have to take care of, not necessarily raise....
you should be ok OP since you're here and are concerned about what do, just know they are far stronger, smarter and resilient than what you give them credit for, don't try to protect them instead teach them and show them, they don't fuck things up because they are stupid, they simply do not know any better and know nothing, there's a difference there...and when you are showing them things make sure they understand why things are the way they are, this is very difficult but it can be done.
...also start laying the seeds to combat the faggotory, tell them there's only boys and girls, drive the fact home that boys are a certain way and do certain things in certain ways.
Kevin Lewis
You're just a cuckold. Spanked plenty of times when I was a shit and deserved it and looking back I can acknowledge I deserved it. Pussy. I wasn't hurt I had sense knocked into me.
Robert Parker
This image is wrong because I was abused by my single mother
Aiden Rivera
Seconded. Also watch mollymemes videos on the subject.
Jace Ortiz
>You're just a cuckold.
Look at how you begin your responses. And you want to be taken seriously? I was actually spanked and timed out. The time outs worked more than the spanking. I was more violent when they spanked me.
>Spanked plenty of times when I was a shit and deserved it and looking back I can acknowledge I deserved it. Pussy. I wasn't hurt I had sense knocked into me.
This statement is pitiful. You needed a 12 gauge slug driven through your frontal lobe instead, insect. Or maybe your alcoholic mother should have aborted you.
Don't hit children, you depraved fucking rodent.
Hunter Adams
You don't spank for the sake of it, you spank to add injury to the moral chastising that proceeds and follows it. Also only with a cool head. You want respect not fear. Eventually the mere threat of it is enough and eventually that isn't needed either.
Evan Evans
Women tend to transform dramatically after they become mothers. Expect complete lack of reason (tenfold that of the average non-mother woman). You will have an extremely hard time even trying to let a temper tantrum run its course without acknowledging it (because muh baby is crying I should just hug him), and a good portion of your discipline schemes will find you being framed as the evil man abusing the child.
This is coming from experience with a fairly reasonable woman who at least acknowledges half the time after the fact that she lost all sense. In a country with a cucked culture and divorce laws, good luck, because the moment she feels the slightest impulse to remove the evil tyrant guy from her baby's life, you are done.
Luis Bailey
meh, you're stupid, there's needs to be escalation and they need to learn real quick that there's a line not to cross and if they cross that line they are going to get hurt.
all of this time out only bullshit is what has lead to people needing to be tased or even shot by police officers, they have no concept that if they go over the line they will be physically restrained and possibly even hurt or killed, when they grow up and they don't have a grasp that authority will put it's boot on your neck if you don't simmer down and comply.
i've never had to actually swat my boys more than once in their entire lives because they now know that is an option.
as i said though, there needs to be escalation, you start with time out, if that doesn't drive the point home then a open handed swat across the ass is the prudent thing to do and what has been done throughout all of humanity until recent faggotory and child rearing bullshit got involved...
why would you raise your kids in the same manner that produced the degenerates that we see around us today?
Andrew Foster
oh god, look where the fuck you're at moron, lighten the fuck up, we're all adults here in a non-formal setting the fact you got your panties in a twist shows you to be a pussy just as the other guy said.
lighten the fuck up faggot.
Brody Campbell
Your only job is to make sure he isn’t a pussy. Don’t let your wife and her friends try to teach him the deep life lessons. You have to do it, let her handle the little day to day stuff.
Jason Anderson
>Why would you even talk to them at this point?
Because they're my parents, it's easy to larp the "defoo" shit, it's impossible to do it in real life, my heart would break if I ever even said something like that to them let alone actually did it.
Owen Gonzalez
Don’t focus on sticking to any method before you’ve tried. Try a few and see what works for your kid. My parents beat me (within reason) and I didn’t give a shit.
Carson Cooper
its been said, beat your kids, beat your wives
not sure if that would be a good thing
Asher Cook
Here's the kicker, if you're getting to the point where you actually need to resort to violence you've already made a dozen mistakes.
From my experience, the best thing you can do is establish rules EARLY (like, way earlier than you think, 1 year olds understand more than you can imagine) and remain consistent. I've heard it best described as being either a broken soda machine or a slot machine.
Broken soda machine >put money in >oh shit that didn't work >maybe try again >yep, it's definitely broken and I'm never getting a soda out of it >guess I'll stop putting money in
vs the Slot Machine >put money in >huh, didn't get what I wanted >put more money in >still didn't get what I wanted >but if I just keep putting in money I'll eventually get what I want >puts money in again, and again, and again
I've adhered by this and have literally never had to raise my voice to any of my children even once in their entire lives. I've had to have an occasional stern talk, but they know when they've done wrong and children have an innate desire to please their parents (if their parents love them, that is). You don't want to be a hardass, but once you've made a rule you stick with it, no matter what: if the kid knows you can't be worn down they won't try to wear you down.
Congrats by the way, welcome to the greatest adventure there is. >t. father of 3
I feel sorry for any kid whose father looks for parenting advice on Jow Forums
Logan Mitchell
I applaud you for being no-yell parent...although I have to admit that soda slot analogy is kinda confusing and I don't get it.
Evan White
There is a miracle thing called knowledge. Knowledge like how Empathie, love, child-parent bounds and free will is being developed. How infants react, regulate and experience reality. How adults can guide them with proper reaction and affection. Rumours say there is a giant unlimited libary called "the Internet" with all that knowledge for free. But oh no the Jews are stopping you learing all that right? R-r-right?
Daniel Lopez
>I have to admit that soda slot analogy is kinda confusing and I don't get it Basically it boils down to this:
If your kid learns that they can eventually get what they want out of you if they just push hard enough, guess what, they're going to keep pushing.
If your kid learns your rules are final and no amount of pushing is going to get you to change your mind, then they realize it's a waste of effort and don't even try.
That sounds like a classic bound trauma. Word by word. Like its a Definition.
Kayden Fisher
((Books))
Wyatt Butler
Oh sorry...I meant that the analogies apply to YOU not the kid. I'm just bummed out as per my rant blogposts...again, I know you don't believe it and I don't care but I'm actually happy if you're not larping and shitposting and you're a father who never raised voice.
I love my parents but I was beat as a kid can't lie, plus I had to listen to them yell at each other since I was 8 years old, they were on a brink of a divorce but flaked out and split the house physically in two, this is how they live till this day, although they talk and all, and none of them ever "saw" other people...they just stopped being married I guess. I know it's not my business to help them, they're boomers after all, but it does bum me out. Few days ago I asked my mom what will happen if heaven forbid dad gets sick, since they're not getting younger, will she take care of him?
The answer was just depressing, I know she probably doesn't mean it but fuck...just fuck.
Happy to see there are nice families out there. I need to make one of my own, and my wife is asking about it but money situation is a bitch and I would hate to be a angry frustrated parent and lash out my materialistic money induced worries on the kid. FUCK.
William Cox
teach them responsibility from early age. Responsibility they can bare. Such as, clean the room, help your child at first. reward good behaviour and give them more freedom during pubercy as a reward if the child is responsible. The general rule is, give them borders but let them develop freely withing these borders.
Connor Gray
Hitting me never worked, just made me even more sure I was right since I knew what they were doing was wrong. The only thing that ever worked was actually explaining to me why what I did was wrong, and if I agreed then we were cool. If I didn't agree, I probably wouldn't do it, lest I be punished through some other means, but I would not lie and say "okay", I would just tell them they were wrong. To be fair, I've always had a problem with authority, it wasn't being told I couldn't do something, but being told "because I said so", which I always wanted to meet with "go fuck yourself". Hitting you worked because you are dumb and weak, and physical violence was a good way to train you. Like a dog.
You are the barrel, your child the bullet. You guide them keeping them on the straight and narrow, correcting them as children keeping them from veering right or left, so that when they enter the world, they will not depart from the proper path.
For me, I am my children's conscious as they grow, as theirs is not fully developed, and it's very instinctual for me. I tell them what is right and wrong, I correct them when necessary whether that is verbally or through a spanking (rare now, but used a lot when they were younger), and I encourage them when they are doing well.
On a very primitive level, I sort of know what the appropriate response to a situation is, I do little to hold back the impulse of that response and 95% of the time it is the proper one. There really isn't too much thought to the day to day for me, no Dr. Spock book is required. You must remember that this is in our DNA and also, how your father raised you will be lodged in your subconscious guiding you as you raise your kids (which is why we often find we're turning into our parents).
We've evolved to be fathers, so you will instinctively know when to raise your voice and be firm, when to have fun, when to show your pride and love, You'll feel it in your gut, and honestly, sometimes I don't even think about what I'm doing half the time when doing the right thing for my kids.
Adam Morales
>you will instinctively know when to raise your voice and be firm
You mean to say my ancestral DNA gut feeling will overpower the "recent" memories of how my father used to raise me, raise voice and hand etc hence I won't do the same mistakes he did with me?
Xavier Walker
It's really simple. Treat your kid like a friend. Talk with them, laugh with them, love them, spend time together, even if you hate the dumb shit he says or does. Don't use violence to get your way. That's how gorillas do things. Your child has less than half the brain power you have and will fuck things up or do things wrong, be patient. If he ever gets to the point where he can only be controlled with physical harm or the threat of it, you fucked up and you're a nigger. No, there's no reversal. No do-overs.
Colton Hughes
>Be your child's friend Lol no. Guaranteed way to fuck up your kid for life. Your kid will have plenty of friends, he doesn't need another one. He needs a father.
Ryder Allen
I think it's more of a mix. Can't say whether it's nature or nurture that provides the instinct, I just know that at least with me it's there.
Certainly, learn from your father's mistakes and evolve, but the mistakes my father made were more in line with the long term raising of a child rather than the day today; example, I will do a better job in regulating what my kids watch and will do more than he did to teach my kids basic skills (changing tires, etc.).
As far as the day to day, my father provided a pretty good example, but than again wasn't an abusive alcoholic or anything.
Xavier Myers
The best book I read on discipline is called "1-2-3 Magic." No spanking necessary.
The most important factor when it comes to discipline is consistency. Make sure your spouse is on the same page or the children will divide and conquer.
No worries Croatbro. My parents split too. It's tough to go through, but I feel like I have a much stronger marriage because I watched my own parents' marriage unravel. Learn from their mistakes.
Also, don't worry too much about the money thing man. The (((media))) hypes up the cost of having a kid, but in the end the biggest expense is usually either (((daycare))) or going to a single income. Aside from that kids aren't that expensive. They don't eat a ton at first (especially if they're breastfed), their clothes are small and everyone has hand-me-downs, they're amused by basically anything, and the thing they want most of all is time with you. It's good to have high standards, just don't let those standards keep you from ever getting started.
Based Jow Forums user efficiently utilizing their child to kill people.
Landon Turner
Its how they keep massive elephants tied up with tiny string.
Lincoln Adams
Kids understand stuff at a much younger age than we think. My youngest is 1 and even though he isn't talking yet he understands what I'm saying to him. I think part of the mistakes some parents make is they don't start "parenting" until their kids are older, at which point they're already too late.
If you spend time with them you won't need to discipline them because you and your wife will be there to correct their mistakes before it gets out of hand. Just remember, your kid comes first, always.