>Ask alt-right what they do to make their society a utopia >Starts murdering people >SEE THE SOCIETY IS BETTER NOW THAT WE'RE KILLING ALL THESE PEOPLE >Me: "Uhhhh wtf? How is killing people better?" >AWE BETTER FOR YOU MAN CUZ YOU'RE LIKE WHITE AND SHIT AND YOUR GENETICS PROVE IT! >keeps murdering people or deporting them by physical force, creating the horrible dystopian society where we just murder and deport people because we don't like their culture preemptively. >Alt-right gets their rights taken away because they hold natural rights as paper thin.
O'okay maybe the democratic socialist has better ideas... >Ask democratic socialist what they would do to make their society a utopia >Y'YEAH YEAH I WOULD MAKE IT SO WORKERS OWN THE MEANS OF PRODUCTION >Me: "Okay so what would you do then?" >W'WELL LIKE YOU KNOW HOW BUSINESS OWNERS ARE LIKE THE RULING CLASS? >Me: "Yeah." >W'WELL WE J'JUST MAKE SURE THE WORKERS HAVE THAT ABILITY TO GENERATE WEALTH AS WELL! >Me: "Okay so what would you do then to do that?" >W'WELL UMM W'WE WOULD LIKE.. UHH.. J'JUST TAKE IT. Y'YOU KNOW. FROM THE WEALTHY! H'HEHEH -scratches neckbeard- >Me: "Wow okay so like... stealing?" >N'NO NO CUZ LIKE THEY S'STOLE IT TO BEGIN WITH HEHUEHHU >Me: "What the fuck why does everyone want to kill and steal to make a good society?"
A better society is made when people respect one another for their natural right to life, liberty, and property. This was understood under John Locke and the enlightenment period where it simply didn't make sense to murder people for whatever doctrine they blast. It is only when they threaten the very liberties actively, and you have a right to "defend" yourself. Not preemptively attack because you THINK they might take your rights away. It makes no fucking sense and fuck authoritarianism and fuck Socialists and fuck SJWs and fuck Nazi alt-right. Fuck authoritarians in general. Y'all people are fucking crazy. Thoughts?
Hyperindividualists will just know when and how to come together and rise up
Anthony Gomez
What revolution? You defend your own damn property. You talk with people reasonably and allow people to come to their own conclusions. How bad do you think things really are? Do you believe people are simply so unreasonable that a democratic process is impossible to conceive of?
Adrian Sanchez
>Do you believe people are simply so unreasonable that a democratic process is impossible to conceive of? Confirmed for head in the sand
Logan Wright
How do you stop the ever increasing brown hoards who will never adopt your world view?
Liam Campbell
How do you think the United States was conceived? By the existence of state? Or was it perhaps the hundreds of different guerrilla fighters that would defend the very property they presided in?
Spreading piss pills? Yellow is the color of cowards that piss their pants. Lol
Noah Richardson
>How do you stop the ever increasing brown hoards who will never adopt your world view? You don't. Unless they come to your house and specifically try to destroy your property or revoke your right to life or liberty, you don't attack them back. Why? Because it was determined under the enlightenment period that it made sense to not kill people just because you didn't like them, that a better society is made when there is some sense of consistency.
Liam Walker
What exactly would we be defending? Your neighbor's right to plow your son's boipussy?
Hudson Lewis
>What exactly would we be defending? Your neighbor's right to plow your son's boipussy? Your right to life, liberty, and property.
>What the fuck why does everyone want to kill and steal to make a good society?" It's all we grew up with.
Levi Jones
>Everyone for themselves This isn't the stone age, societies need strong leaders to succeed and thrive. If you don't have social contracts, and top down enforcement of such, to rely on for progress it simply won't occur. Maximum individual liberty might sound appealing to the individual, but that is an appeal to his instincts to rely on himself, and mankind are no longer animals. If all you do is protect you and yours, you won't stand a chance when you get invaded by a massive "tribe" of people who can rely on each other.
Jayden Nelson
At least try to argue instead of throwing out strawmen this obvious
This country is collectively "our" property. When will you start defending it from the invaders?
Charles Miller
>they come to your house and specifically try to destroy your property or revoke your right to life or liberty And they will, especially when they realize they can band together to form a stronger unit, lead by the elite. You want to live in a perpetual state of post apocalyptic-esque warfare? So you can, what? Grow weed legally?
Leo Nguyen
Try not using esoteric concepts to pretend you care about anything.
Kayden Barnes
yeah that is where the life, liberty, and property thing comes into play.
Nicholas Jackson
>You want to live in a perpetual state of post apocalyptic-esque warfare? So you can, what? Grow weed legally? So like, the society where there is concerning toleration is much more highly successful than the one that does not respect toleration. Period.
Michael Campbell
Lmao he thinks he can just mind his own business and the commies and race baiters will just leave him alone.
Chase Smith
excuse the watermark but I never bothered to save this image before because I thought it was so self-evident
Consider the idea of a divided states of america. Each man and his family for their own. What prevents China, a highly organized military fascist nation, from ganging up on you and plowing through your house with a tank? What are you going to do about it? Why should anyone else try to help you? Are you gonna buy your own tank? From who? With what? Who can you trust?
Jonathan Flores
I didn't say anything esoteric (as I've only posted once, telling you to not strawman), maybe you have me confused with another poster? And I don't see how wanting liberty is antithetical to caring about things.
You expect 75 IQ orcs to tolerate you tax free burger factory? They're coming for that too senpai.
Tyler Young
>My property, not yours >I own you, I rule you and you work for my benefit >I'm free to exploit you and you're free to serve me Libertarianism in a nutshell. It's just another name for oligarchy. Nothing new.
Jaxon Cook
>muh rights >muh freedumz
>A better society is made when people respect one another for their natural right to life, liberty, and property. No. A better society is made by force. By forcing the individual to conform to higher ideals that these individuals wouldn't hold on their own volition. Freedom only serves the weak and degenerates.
Zachary Williams
Just come together haha niggers wont ruin everything. Jews wont take over. Oh no just ignore all of that
David Turner
You truly are a brainlet if you only think in terms of symmetric warfare >hurr only a tank can beat a tank >how are you gonna win if they have tanks and you don't?
"Life, liberty, and property" are esoteric values. Less so property. Nobody knows what liberty entails and life can be conflated. So let's get down to business.
Define liberty. Try to do so without bringing up whether or not the child consents.
You may be able to sustain these ideals without crumbling but can the rest of our population? Your naivety is dangerous
Cooper Scott
>Ask alt-right what they do to make their society a utopia >Starts murdering people >SEE THE SOCIETY IS BETTER NOW THAT WE'RE KILLING ALL THESE PEOPLE >Me: "Uhhhh wtf? How is killing people better?" >AWE BETTER FOR YOU MAN CUZ YOU'RE LIKE WHITE AND SHIT AND YOUR GENETICS PROVE IT! >keeps murdering people or deporting them by physical force, creating the horrible dystopian society where we just murder and deport people because we don't like their culture preemptively. >Alt-right gets their rights taken away because they hold natural rights as paper thin.
Wrong.
Ryder Morales
Actually, don't bother. This is boring. Bye nigger
Gabriel Flores
DISTRIBUTISM YOU FUCKING SUBHUMAN RETARDED REDNECKS AND SCHIZOPHRENIC FAGGOTS
Colton Scott
Exactly how I feel. Great post user.
Asher Thompson
Put yourself in that situation for what, though? A revolution is one thing, but what exactly is worth living in a perpetual state of it?
>you can gather people to fight against this or just not buy their products Why don't we do that now?
Carson Morris
>Deny God given authorities >Be ruled by money instead Thanks, but no.
Austin Bennett
>or just not buy their products Monopolies.
Brody Jenkins
I dunno about right or left politics. But I do hate authoritarians. Specially corporate authoritarians. So I spend my days trying to inflict as much costs to the company I'm working for as I can. I'm good at it.
Bentley Gonzalez
You don't, abrahamic and hindu religions are retarded. And its derivatives.
Grayson Mitchell
Your life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness won't mean anything when you're surrounded by low IQ hyper violent "migrants"
Robert Evans
Nothing stops you from doing it. I try not to rely on big companies unless it's needed and as long as I am fine with what I am paying I'll keep using it.
And ? Is there any monopoly that would be a monopoly on something vital ? Medication maybe but nothing stops your people from boycotting or raiding HQs if they try to kill you or your family. Basically the answer to this will either be: boycott, or weapons. But let's be honest, for most things you can find a way to do it yourself or get around the obstacle.
If you're free you're free to own weapons. So is your neighbor, so is your entire neighborhood, so is your entire country. See where I'm getting at ?
Hunter Long
How can distributism work without the umbrella hierarchy of the Church? Could you substitute that with a secular state? How much power can this state have?
Genuinely curious, Distributism has popped up on my radar a few times, as my last few 8values tests have been Theocratic Distributism.
Isaac Watson
Imagine being a lolbertardian in its the current year.
>muh freedumbs >muh libturdry
Blake Powell
You are deluding yourself. A corporate dictatorship would be just as bad as any authoritarian government. It would be just as difficult to unset as well.
Leo Jackson
Good point you made there user, now go kys faggot.
Aaron Parker
This is naive. The vast majority of people have better lives with a boot on their neck. The only question that matters is who's boot and what policy.
Authoritarian eugenics for me.
Andrew Brown
In case you did not read what I wrote, I explained how you could prevent that and also any argument to back up what you're saying ?
Luis Perez
There's a lot of things stopping me from doing it though, mostly doing things that might have a sizable impact. This goes for the majority of the country as well. I think mostly due to corporate funded brainwashing by schools and elite-owned media. How will it be any different in Lolbertlandia? How do you even get to that point without some sort of uprising? What about it makes people want to embody the spirit of liberty and overthrow tyranny?
Jose Hall
And you've just named what is wrong with any authoritarian regime. It depends on who rules it. It's kind of the same argument as the "no guys but if we were to implement MY COMMUNISM things would be great"
Henry Watson
This. The only libertarians are people who don't understand how selfish and predatory human nature really is.
Luis Garcia
Again you are deluding yourself. A dictatorship like that would not be unseated by a few simple sentences you strung together.
Dominic Hill
>Votes to take property away Whoops. Guess your either dead or a cuck now right? Should have murdered those spic and homo votes while you had the chance.
Establishment prevents that but it can't prevent you from going to another country that you seem better, do the work you like, own the guns you want, and live the life you want. I'd say that before being something you implement as a state it's something that starts with you. I don't really care anymore about overthrowing anything, I just want to work at sea, which I'm currently in the progress of doing, owning a weapon or two, and living in the cold, and I have a place to go for that. Oh and also get away from niggers and arabs
Nolan Nguyen
We understand how it is and it is why it is your natural right to defend yourself and your loved ones and many people would like to live in peaceful harmony so why no settle with them somewhere own guns and good job you've made a militia that will defend itself and agree to respect each other's property and goods.
Still no points, wasting time because you're not reading the answer, kys nigger.
Kayden Edwards
Use a minarchy instead, maybe you are too much of a dumb redneck to understand this.
IT ISN'T ANARCHO CAPITALISM, RETARDS. IT IS A MINARCHY!
Jeremiah Myers
That sounds nice user, but you can only run for so long. It will catch up to us in the end. We must stand our ground and fight. It's the only way to stop the coming darkness. Face it head on.
Brandon Nelson
>I do not believe in evil, malice does not exist, civil discourse solves everything
I don't plan on running away I'll fight and hold my property and defend my friends and loved ones, I just won't let myself die in a country filled with migrant loving boomers, ultimately just being a casualty of the replacement and dying for nothing.
Daniel Anderson
Hey, good for you
Jose Cooper
These are Chinese stealth jets, if you think they have any inhibitions regarding civilian casualty then you should sit tight for the Hong Kong happening.
Brandon Bell
What do you do when the liberty of another individual starts to affect your rights? You know that a society is made up of individuals and the collective well-being of a nation is determined by the well-being of all the individuals collectively? And what stops some other of system taking over once you have split into muh individuals and muh not your business what I do free country?
If a bunch of vietnamese people managed to beat multiple western armies so can individuals. Asymetric warfare works. Also infringing on someone's liberty would be forbidden thus it is why minarchism is better where you would have either a nationally funded or militia type of police that would prevent that.
Jonathan Carter
>I just won't let myself die in a country filled with migrant loving boomers, ultimately just being a casualty of the replacement and dying for nothing. That's what I mean. You're running away from your nation, abandoning your countrymen in their greatest time of need. You argue as if there is no sure way to unite, yet your first instinct is to deny your own spirit of unification, and nationhood.
Connor Martinez
There was political, social, and economic organization in the colonies leading to the revolution. The idea of “being the change you want to see in the world” and hoping that convincing people to be enlightened one by one while ignoring institutional power is gay.
Juan Ward
Libertarianism is gay because it doesn't take into account the welfare of the people. I used to be a big free market ancap guy until I realized it's all the international corporations fucking us over. Just because government is smaller doesn't mean they'll stop the jewry. Liberty doesn't mean shit when the corporations and media just brainwash everybody into becoming consumerist robots on hrt.
Chase Peterson
My countrymen as you call them are a bunch of lefty boomers and 1488retards that don't understand anything but "jooz bad niggers 2" I'm french if you want to know, my country and its history are lost unless a wind from the east helps (looking at slavs mostly) I will not fight a pointless civil war for retards.
There is no honor in dying first and in vain. It's better to live another day to fight and be what's left of a civilisation and culture so it stays alive.
Landon Ross
This is just another reason why I stopped being a libertarian individualist. You have no loyalty to your people or your community. You are willing to let nigger bandits roam your streets and destroy your "perfect capitalist society" or whatever, and will do nothing until one of them tries to steal your home grown weed.
Joshua Lopez
Nobody's talking about beating the government. Viets weren't trying to develop ancaptopia. They were nationalists, communists even, trying to impose their way through war.
>BUT WE OUTLAWED AGGRESSION
Isaac King
Actually since it's based on individuals you can live with people that have the same reasoning as you and thus forbidding niggers from coming to the land you own with your neighbors and you can do this probably up to the size of a small state saying that they are a threat to your liberty and well-being.
Nothing prevents you from being libertarian or minarchist and racist my dude
>I will not fight a pointless civil war for retards. Those are still your people user. Being misguided doesn't mean that they're stupid. You're fighting against 100 years of liberal brainwashing. But in the end, they are still your people. There must be some way to unite them. That is, if you care.
If you deny your own spirit of nationhood, then of course you won't see a way to unite. You've already rejected the bonds.
Isaiah Jackson
And ? Also has nothing todo with being ancap but ok. They were a bunch of people fighting back because they shared the same ideology and ideals is what you're telling me ? Wow sounds like, wait, any group that fights back !
Nolan Reyes
I've fought for unity both in politics and outside, they just want to die. Lefties are blinded by brainwashing, right wings failure gather small crowds because they have an instinct of death and have failed their lives thus they want people to die with them and if you debate a neo-nazi or third position follower or one of those right wing figure worshipper they'll say you're a traitor or whatever and you do not understand anything and they can't ally with you. Trust me, the hard pill to swallow isthat your people is a bunch of failures and that it's survival of the fittest. Adapt or die.
try testing our economic theories then you faggot, you empiricists are cancer.
Adrian Hill
>it's survival of the fittest. Adapt or die. Nigger-tier. We are men of European descent. We were destined for greater things. But without struggle there is no accomplishment, so it must be fought for.
Landon Russell
corporations by definition need a government.
Oliver Russell
Who's we ? I have found a place to settle with friends and only white population where we'll work and have children and defend what is ours.
Meanwhile your men of european descent are the one who sold you to the jews, wealthy, and niggers. You're the nigger that is going ot crash head first into the wall and you try to bring people to crash with you.
Go die alone and have your children raped nothing since it's your plan.
