Get fucked, Trump. 2% NATO not on the cards

Do you seriously think those faggots will be allowed to start drawing from those pensions en mass?
There's no way your economy makes it another 20 years only for the internal issues to finally take it out. External pressures will cause the collapse to happen faster than it would have occurred in a vacuum.

2040
We got a couple months at best.

“It is actually offensive to assume that the U.S. taxpayer must continue to pay to have 50,000-plus Americans in Germany, but the Germans get to spend their surplus on domestic programs,” Grenell posted on the embassy’s official Twitter account Friday.
It's so bizzare how this doesn't make more people angry. I guess that's due to lack of education/information. We subsidize European social programs and they in turn hold their noses up at us for not having socialized healthcare

At this point it's hard to know for sure. Jews aren't omnipotent creatures that have a tight grasp on the future of the world at all times. They get blind sided from time to time.
Dems are clearly pushing a few kike puppets up the flag poll again and letting the real popular candidates wither.

75yrs of US occupation of Germany
80 percent of Germans want US GIs all out of the country

oh geeee, why oh why don’t we kiss your ass for occupying us?

:^)

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Ok so why doesn't the government kick us out then if that's what the people want?

Op is a retard, with more budget we are more independent from other NATO countries like USA.

And nobody cares today was germany say, it's a laughing stock.

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They've been asking us to leave for years. We really should go it's a waste trying to keep them from shooting themselves in the face.

There is nothing more I'd like then for us to exit Europe you have no idea. The entire continent would collapse within 10 years once they are forced to actually spend money defending themselves.

Why don't burgers just leave?

If the US just packed up and left with next to no warning the EU would collapse in a matter of months.

German government
doing what the people want

please... the problem is that there is a rather small state located at the French border where almost half of the US occupation troops are located and that state doesn’t want to lose the income from the brothel visits and alcohol abuse.

And because Germany is extremely federal, it cannot screw over that tiny state.

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It actually benefits us to stay as well to be honest. We probably get more out of it in terms of world domination. Ramstein Air Base is like drone central command from what I understand.

we hate you
but we depend on your money

Every fucking time

The entire continent would collapse within 10 years once they are forced to actually spend money defending themselves.
Exactly. European countries had never entertained a standing army in the past.
We would be totally doomed.

Why don't burgers just leave?
Because they rather complain loudly and hope we buy their military stuff. But why would they leave the place they occupy and pozz up for good? That's part of their global power projection.

Krauts are Kike tier eurotrash. No surprise the Kraut-kikes never keep agreements and always try to parasite off others.

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Why would they? The only enemy is Russia and USA, and there is no chance of war, she likes when Germans are killed anyway.

Poland should invade that with our superior army and clean it a little.

Hasn't Germany been our vassal state, aka Israels vassal state since WW2? I don't get it, don't they pay like 50-60% tax on their wages alone, compared to the abyssmal amount of taxes we pay? They should have the money, right?

Then we scrap our defense guarantees with Germany.
It's not that hard. We don't need you.

It’s a small state. We all hate that state. They are called Rheinland Pfalz, the other one is the Saarland and the third Baden-Würtemberg. They got pretty much all the stationed soldiers (some also in Hessen). All of them are states run by leftists who love subsidies and gibmees by the federal gov and foreigners.

I always wonder, what do americans believe they are protecting us from
inb4 russia
there aren't that many cold warriors on Jow Forums are there?

What is Germany planning? They stand with Iran against the United States. They condemn China for Hong Kong. And they denounce Russia for interfering.
Yet they are 100% dependent on these markets for exports and oil and gas.
Its like Merkel IS TRYING WITH EVERYTHING SHE HAS to get Germany annihilated again.

Are they completely retarded?

Geopolitically, we really only need the UK and Poland, and Romania to stick around. The rest of the alliance has outlived its usefulness. I'm sure we could promise Poland the city of Dresden in return for some higher spending figures. Germany really wouldn't stand a chance.

Fine, America will just occupy you kraut bastards for eternity. Enjoy.

We are good friends with China and Russia.

We are openly opposing Trump and the US.

I thought this was quite clear.

I lived in Hessen for 4 months this past spring. Can confirm. Leftist uni town that hated Americans but relied on them for almost everything under the sun.

Germany is so shit ally.

NATO exists to hold the russians out the germans down and the americans in.

America would collapse without NATO

It is actually offensive to assume that the U.S. taxpayer must continue to pay to have 50,000-plus Americans in Germany
get the fuck out of my country you fucking mutts

Poor Estonia. Putting in the agreed-upon 2% for years and no one even mentions it.

read a book you dumb nigger

Makes sense. Germany has always and will always be a Communist shithole.

Why the fuck WOULDN'T you oppose Trump? He's a total jackass who shits on your country all the time, makes bizarre demands, etc. Nobody should give in to his childish bullshit.

I’m always surprised by how well the German economy is doing. I thought all those imported niggers sucking welfare from your government would doom you guys quickly.

In March and April of '45 you were rushing west to kiss our asses.
Germans: either at your feet or at your throat.
Pay your fair share or you break the agreement.

And they denounce Russia for interfering.
When? What? And where are they interfering?

I always wonder, what do americans believe they are protecting us from
Me too. They actually believe this stuff. They probably also believe they "liberated" all these countries they invaded.

This

Cringe

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relied on what? american cuckold porn for leftie retards?

Just make us :^)

Why bother spending money on defence after you've already been invaded?

Imagine belonging to a nation that's been conquered.

black americans for cuckold porn for leftie retards
ftfy

Screw NATO. Just let Russia have its way with the EU for a while. It will be funny.

eh, look at how long america survived after abolishing slavery and desegregation. it's a slow, inevitable death, not a kind of quick collapse

trade
ok
China, America’s big enemy in top spot, Germany in fifth

so why again should we allow occupation troops here? Does Mexico and China allow the, in their countries?

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Germany is so shit ally.
No, Italy is so shit ally.
Nippon good ally.

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Yeah, it is sickening. What can one do?

Pulling US troops out of germany, that on its own would cause a deep recession in germany.
Those bases spend a lot of money around them. And have a huge supply chain.

fuck germany. get fucked BREXIT followed by ITALYEXIT then you got nothing left but the french

muttmeriga is below 50% white so please tell me how it feels?

Haven't killed us some Germans in a while...

I hope I get to add more g*rman trophies to my great grandad’s collection, the old flags are getting kinda frayed

I was thinking about how that would turn out if our government had the balls to decide that we are no longer your bitch.
Our army wouldn't be able to stop you and much less our police. Our citiziens arent armed. All we could do is going on strike while you go to Berlin and put new puppets on the throne.
Motherfuckers!

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We went from 200,000 to 40,000 without a deep recession, going from 40,000 to 0 isn't going to cause one either. Yeah it'll impact the local cities but nothing more

You have basically no culture. Everything is American: your movies, your music; I even heard people on a train from Frankfurt speaking some sort of German/English hybrid. You guys are the most arrogant colony in world history. Don't act like the US couldn't just parade tanks down Kurfuerstendamm by the end of the week.

Social programs are an inefficient shell game even in countries with healthy, intelligent populations. Universal healthcare and "Free*" college in the United States would literally tear the entire country apart.

I need to give the government 60% of my money from the moment I get a job at 16 to my retirement 5 years preceding my country's life expectancy because it will come directly back to me later lol

Holy FUCK that shit's retarded

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we pay for all expenses and those mutt soldiers who spend their dumb cash here is nothing to that.

2040
I didn't know Germans were so prone to baseless optimism

Yes. I am sure.

Your grandpa lived in a crater his entire childhood.

You too?
The unfortunate truth of complete occupation. Embrace the blackpill.

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The absolute amounts are still to small according to some, we should probably try to pump it up to 3% for bragging rights alone.

Pay up, or defend yourselves. It’s that simple

I'm of the opinion that we should disband NATO and start a new org that only retains compliant members. Then we can renegotiate when the Krauts feel Ivan's breath on the back of their neck.

All these Germans bitching. The entire point is we want you to build up so we do not have to occupy you anymore. Dumb asses.

merkel uses pipul

You're not 'allowing' us anything. Your country is a spoil of war. You're a vassal state. We give you a pretty long leash, but we reserve the right to snap it back hard should you forget your place.

Kind of this. For us it's totally worth paying to have a military presence in another country, cause well, we have a military presence IN another country.

as if you kikebots would ever allow that to happen

Durr i was in berlin and i saw american tourists there and those mutts have no german culture at all

:'((( such a shame what happened to this cunt

T. Mutt/10

What on earth makes you think that the wants and desires of a conquered people matter? Pay your bills or see yourselves replaced by people who will.

stop glowing nigger

subsidize national defense of other countries and allow you access to our markets so you can dig your way out of yet another European autism fit
"reeee go away filthy Americans!"

We should have let the soviets rape you all to death

All of the Commonwealth would support this move.

Then we'd revert to what the Germans know and respect: brute force. The Nazis and Communists got you to work, I'm sure we could too.

More like 10 months

this psycho schizo tier politics
they try to be some pivot like force in international diplomatic relations
inspired by swiss neutrality they want to stand at the field lines of the battlefield , to be the merchant between the parties of war...
"no more wars" ( inside eu ) it their doctrine however that does not include foreign wars ofc.
fucking (((german))) tier hypocrisy
its all so honked from head to toe
if it wasnt fucking reality it wouldnt be funny tough...

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Grandfather killed 89 mutts after 45 until he got to jail.

Kill mutts pride worldwide

Clearly not if they kvetch each time the bare mention of leaving arises

Fuck Germany. Kick them from NATO. Let Russia fucking have them.
You'd fuck over your entire geo-strategy if you did that. You can't give up Germany, which is why Germany is not going to pay. You need us more than we need you.

muuh russia.
don't be such a scared sissie cuck muttmahmett

You are just pissed that the UK is about to make your 4th Reich crumble to piece.

I spent an entire semester in Hessen. Sure, there's US influence there due to the base in Wiesbaden, but Marburg, Kassel, etc were no different. Same goes for Bavaria and the East.

You obviously can't keep your shit together, so you probably should kiss our ass. You guys can't go 50 years without initiating a global conflict, changing governments, or outright collapsing.

Not sure. We no longer realize any benefit from the arrangement.

How is this cunt still your leader?

Because the German government is run by the same kikes that run your government?

Is this that famous German optimism you get like in 1914 and 1939

How is Deutsche bank doing?

You’re prime real estate faggot, nothing is better than free land. You lend-lease our military, militaries being the only deterrent of foreign invasion. It’s only ever implied as Russia since they’re the only ones left on that clay with a military to speak of

:v)

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We don't even think about you, you're a communist nation anyway.

Socialism and diversity isn't worth defending. Who cares?

the situation is pretty interesting desu
big changes will be coming depending on who takes the initiative

Russia
Yes, that was the case until the USSR fell apart. Now there's no reason for us to be PAYING TO DEFEND YOUR COUNTRY FOR YOU

And then we let the gang Russians rape his wife while we burned his mother alive with Napalm.
Feel good to be the loser? Don't go starting fights you can't win.

based and germpilled

let's just kick the can a bit until drumpf is gone
it's all so transparent

We don't. Russia is just a standard crook state these days. They would be satisfied with regional hegemony. It would be a hit to our foreign interests, but it would be worth it to see you Krauts getting gunned down in the street for disrespecting your new, less benevolent overlords.

semester
let's talk about american gender bender studies students shall we ? the real true americans

It’s what happens when you have a bunch of liberal faggots that thinks the world is civilized enough that armies are no longer necessary and nobody will encroach upon their clay. Fuck Russia, I hope the chinks take them over for keks

Also
what do Americans believe they are protecting us from?
The rest of Europe? A desparate Russia? You faggot Krauts don't know how good you have it.
I agree, we should pull all military assets out of Germany (and the rest of the world, really) and leave you ingrates to your own devices.

At least I can admit that I am a disppointment to my grandfather while you pride yourself with his archievments.

We don't even think about you
You don't think about us because it's not up to common Americans to worry about politics. You're not a sovereign nation.

you're a communist nation anyway
Only American boomers still care about that label.

Why would I be worried? You guys are the ones about to be sandwiched between vodka hell and the Muslim hordes.

What purpose does Germany serve geopolitically? It's no longer a front line country to our main adversary (Russia). Its population and culture are anemic, and the German people are generally disliked by the American people. I see much more potential in Poland, and I'd suggest relocating our soldiers there.

The turkish invasion a month later will.

You're not a sovereign nation.
t. Germany
Made my night, thanks.

And the rest of Eastern Europe/post-USSR nations

the muttmerican sure loves to talk about rape, it must be his negro genes

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That German university made my American one seem like a 12th century monastery.

They do it every day. unian.info/world/10623594-merkel-links-between-russia-eu-s-rightist-parties-cause-for-concern.html

It would be a hit to our foreign interests
It would end your grasp on Europe. If anything it would liberate the European continent.

it would be worth it to see you Krauts getting gunned down in the street for disrespecting your new, less benevolent overlords
A part of Germany has once been under Russian control and it was in certain regards better off than it is now. Also, Americans are no overlords. Americans are the slave caste of the American continent that is run by Jews.

We are neither, but at least we're aware of it.

America should pull every single American unit out of Germany and distribute them to other countries around the EU.

Too long the USA has been defending countries like this.

So get the fuck out and stop """threatening""" it. You'll have to find a new base from which to blow up muzzies in the middle east, but that shouldn't be too difficult, but please just stop whining

Zero. They used to have presence over the English Channel as a strategic position, that went away when they gave up their army. They’re basically no different than commiefornia: full of niggers, homeless, buys their energy from somewhere else, and otherwise completely dependent on everyone but themselves logistically

The only whining I ever hear is "Ami go hooooome"

Missed the beloved holoklaus and babie penis mutilation classes?

“It is actually offensive to assume that the U.S. taxpayer must continue to pay to have 50,000-plus Americans in Germany, but the Germans get to spend their surplus on domestic programs,” Grenell posted on the embassy’s official Twitter account Friday.

Oh noes...
America actually has to pay for it's occupation of Germany..
Oh wow, that's awful.

You have to remember one thing: almost all of the good and decent german men were killed in ww2. The vast majority of germans today are decended from the weak, the cucks, the cowards, the inbred, the borderline retarded...all the trash of their society that huddled in the cities while their alphas were off being slaughtered. It was a reverse of survival of the fittest. And you can see this today. Go visit germany and most males you see look almost exactly like the big cums guy. I'm serious. Go to Germany and see for yourself. So you cant expect better of the germans today. They've blown their shot and are a spent degenerate husk of what they once were.

m.imgur.com/gallery/cHzoPOI

Poland has a future. Germany does not. So it makes sense for Trump to transfer the bases from Germany to Poland.
Why spend money defending something that is already dead?

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Slave caste
And so are you by proxy. What does it make you when slaves have more military power over your nation than your own nation’s people?

No, but I probably could have done without the weekly DKP marches and abandoned Gothic cathedrals.

american education

Then they sperg out when a threat goes public. Literally nigger tier
get out raycis wypipo
come back wypipo and gib gibs!

rape baby calling others mutts

The rest of Europe?
delusional. Only the UK and the french have militaries worth speaking about, but what would they stand to gain?
A desparate Russia?
paper tiger, can hardly deal with the ukraine. Also we were always friendly with Russia, the poles have a lot more to fear from them.

To be honest it's kinda our fault that our protectorate is getting all uppity.

y..you need us, senpai!

LOL FOR WHAT? OVERPRICED, OVER-ENGINEERED GARBAGEMOBILES?
No thanks Hans, we can make our own.

What purpose does Germany serve geopolitically?
If you fail to understand Germany's relevance as Europe's central hub, then there is no need to further elaborate. In any case you don't need to worry about such things. Your betters in Washington do the thinking for you.

the German people are generally disliked by the American people
The "American people" is a mixed race slave caste of lesser human stock that emerged from the European dregs of society and is ruled by its Jewish overlords. The opinion of the "American people" does not matter at all in matters of politics.

You should keep out of Europe alltogether.
You're nothing like Europeans. You are liberal vermin that infests everything with pozz that you touch.

You're overstretching it a bit but the principle is correct. That is what most burgers don't seem to understand.

See and and

You should be worried about Russia. Aging, increasingly desperate Russia.
Hey, don't you idiots get oil and gas from them?

next time go to a cunt without a culture so your amerimutt fat ass will better fit in.

Your military power does not serve you, it serves Israel.

Typical of a German to avoid the question and hide behind an unearned sense of superiority.

garagemobiles
Accurate, German shit is shit that breaks more than a Jeep

The "German people" is a mixed race slave caste of lesser human stock that emerged from Eastern European rapebabies and is ruled by its American overlords. The opinion of the "German people" does not matter at all in matters of politics.

Your military power does not serve you, it serves Israel.
Ok then. Your military power does not serve you, it serves Turkey.

and east euros get 2 times as much but dumb americans put all blame on us as usual.

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Fucking European welfare ghouls
White niggers living in the cold

ignoring the point
So long as we occupy you, you’re occupied by kikes, and you’ve got zero power in fixing that. Sucks to suck

We pay over 2% so send these soldiers from germany to here. What the fuck they are doing in germany anyyways, here is war zone

Asking 2%\GDP is rude desu. You guys have no good toys for sale we want anyway.

Id would support buying Norway an autonomous carrier group with all the bells and whistles and dedicate it to the northwest passage.

Given that the tech is real and further payments would be maintenance related. When real war breaks out most conventional naval forces will need to be upgraded anyway.

We would gladly have you leave but sadly that is not going to happen because your betters understand that they would give up their grasp on Europe and thereby make way for a multipolar world if they did. You can whine and moan as much as you want, this reality is not going to change. The Jews in the American government like to rule more than they like to please your hurt pride over Germany not paying the bills.

10% of "white" americans have nigger blood
20% of "white" americans habe beaner blood
hahahahahahahahahahaha
subhuman slave caste of the world

you’re occupied by kikes, and you’ve got zero power in fixing that. Sucks to suck
The same applies to your own country.

Based and Redpilled.

East Germany was better off
Things were so good that they needed to be locked in under threat of lethal force. Also, your current fucked state of existence is nothing short of kike revenge. You would be arrested if the German government knew you were posting here. Go wave around a Nazi flag and see what happens. Your """nation""" is a sad, transient abomination that will be forgotten by history.

liberate Europe
You misspelled "collapse"
better off under Russia
Well, I bet you'll find out first-hand before too long

What culture do you have? None at all. From 1945-present Germany has produced nothing of lasting cultural impact. Virtually every facet of culture -entertainment, music, holidays, customs - has been either replaced with, or highly influenced by, American culture. Your history from 1945 forward exists as a 'B-plot' to a more important American story. Nothing happened in German history between the years of 1945-1989 that cannot be explained under the umbrella of the American Empire.

100% of the good Germans left or were killed already, all that's left is the spawn of Stalin and the weak. Enjoy life as the slave's slave.

deflects further
Nigger, we’re foreigners in your nation. Don’t care how far you try to shift it, you’ve got nothing

East Germany was better off
He is probably not even old enough for the Stasi to have had a file on him...

big changes will be coming depending on who takes the initiative
You're addressing the right question, Pierre.
I would love for Germany to take the initiative and put things to the test: Either you pay for our defense or you quit your occupation.
But that's probably too much to ask from the German government. They'll weasel through with some non-binding announcements and agreements but will never do what's truly necesssary.

I wish we would! You don't want us there, and our presence there doesn't benefit us at all!
We leave, everybody's happy! *snicker*

harms and hinders our culture every step
no culture on it's own other than kikefornia garbage
lul u no culture

pay for your own military occupation
I don't blame them.

hurr durr i'm a mutt look at me
It's impossible to explain culture to a stupid nigger without culture

Just a reminder, the agreement isn't to pay NATO 2% of your GDP. It's to spend 2% of your own GDP on your own military so you have some kind of fighting force incase shit happens. It's so in the event of a war, you can either defend yourself for long enough for help to arrive, or so you can send help when another country needs it.

By not meeting this 2% of spending, you're not only telling every other country in NATO you wont defend them if it is ever needed, but you are also telling your own people you wont defend them either.

Every country who doesn't meet the 2% by 2024 should be kicked out of NATO. Not meeting the 2% is unacceptable, it goes against the very purpose of NATO and is offensive to every other country that does meet their spending obligation.

Actually, if we stop subsidizing your virtue signalling programs with our military support, you will be definitely be getting fucked, Hans.

“It is actually offensive to assume that the U.S. taxpayer must continue to pay to have 50,000-plus Americans in Germany”
That isn't kvetching, that's a common sentiment among German dissidents. The part where the kikes would disagree, is how to go about doing something about it. The obvious way is for the burgers to cease their occupation of Germany and withdraw those troops.

big changes will be coming depending on who takes the initiative
The FED have a bubble to pop and they are about to deflect the blame on Brexit and eat the Euro alive.

Cool, we'd like to commit to protecting you by, say, 2030. Good luck until then. Cough up the dough krauts, we spend a fortune on military, and you cant do 2%?

Remember when you are arguing with an American online there is a 50% chance that he is non white. Americans do not advocate for white interests on this basis alone.
Why they would even advocate as diaspora for European interests is beyond reason.

The best thing that Europe could do is draw down their defense spending and strengthen the EU as a confederation further weakening the ability of hostile actors such as America to impact your nationals security.

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The only nation worth a damn in Europe (the UK) is leaving you of their own volition and will likely be partnering more strongly with us. The others will abandon you when your economy collapses in another decade or so. We have better allies for maintaining a military presence (Poland), so honestly it might be better for us if we untether ourselves from your sinking ship.

You do realize that there are other ways for us to get your money besides just asking for it, don't you?

Every time we offer to leave, your politicians throw a hysterical bitch fit. So, stop acting like it is occupation.

Still more German than you :^)

Do you honsstly think germany at this state in NATO is going to defend anything? It needs defending himself. Germany has only 6 operable tanks

well, neocons in both countries wouldn't be. and guess who's in power? (and I mean in actual power, not the puppet president)
so it's never going to happen

All of them are states run by leftists who love subsidies and gibmees

Germany only sucked up the cost of ONE marshall plan of free monies. In comparison, Africa sucked up a lot more and continues to keep on sucking with no end in sight.

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Why don't you do something about it? Or is our boot too heavy?

This

Which is why they need to spend more. The point isn't that every country in NATO has a super strong US tier military. It's that in the event of a war, every country can contribute something.

If you can't even contribute anything, why the fuck are you part of it in the first place?

How is it possible for a nation to be so uniformly unfunny.

They do it every day.
Everybody tries to influence everybody else. That's more or less the definition of soft power.
A bit of denouncing it here and there is also part of the game but it's nothing serious. Just a reminder that the Kremlin shouldn't overdo it.
In any way: there are no diplomatic downsides to this.

most likely yeah, but it would be fun to watch brussels try to outjew the usa

Yes, your stern words are keeping the wolves at bay. You have no concept of an enemy because we make them our enemies, instead.

Except that what I said is actually true: you are a nation that emerged from lesser people. Gamblers, criminals, prostitutes, religious extremists and generally scoundrels with nothing to lose. Unified under the banner of liberalism and individual freedom it was easy for Jews to subvert your nation and take over. We're at 56% whites and the tendency says it's getting worse. Germany might not be in a great situation but we're far from having it as bad.

You're a brainwashed retard who believes boomer propaganda. I bet you believe the Third Reich was bad too.

There is no deflection, I'm merely confronting you with the truth. If you are unable to grasp it, it's probably because of the niggers in your family tree.

Here is the deal then, we (US) will buy Greenland for a few $B (way over market value) place a missile site in Denmark, let them slide with 1%, pull everything out of Germany and draft a few sanction over the Northstreams.

I said my country puts over 2%, what not contributing

UK and France
And I'm sure you have the manpower, materiel, and will to take them (and their friends) on if it comes to that? Who's got your back this time? Italy? LMAO
Russia is a paper tiger, can't handle Ukraine
Totally has nothing to do with the fact that we're still *right there* pretending we care
we're always friendly with Russia
Sure thing

I'm talking about Germany who is clearly refusing to contribute their fair share.

Fucking united stastes of kikestan. Everything you got you stole and you are working as hard as you can to demolish your only redeeming qualies you have left (guns and free speech) as fast as you can.
You only jump into action to beat dead dogs and claim the spoils.

central hub
For what?

Nation formed from lesser people
Said nation proceeds to become the most powerful country in world history.
Occupies 'superior' people for 70 years and counting.

The weak should fear the strong.

it might be better for us if we untether ourselves from your sinking ship.
Feel free to do so. A multipolar world is in our national interest. It's not going to happen though because your Jewish masters like to rule Europe too much to hand it over.

Maybe they wouldn't be your enemies if you didn't invade and slaughter them at the behest of your masters.
Just some food for thought

Yes, we should keep out of "Europe" altogether. It's hardly European anymore, anyway.
inb4 "muh 56%"
I'm still not sure what exactly we "need" Germany for. We "need" Germany about as much as we "need" more Mexicans.

East Germany was objectively terrible. They were a serf state to the Soviets who had a shit quality of life themselves. The Soviets literally collapsed a few short years after getting rid of you. Nations hardly ever just collapse like that, and it certainly can't be manufactured.

The third reach was probably the second best you guys have ever been. I would say pre Weimar Germany was your actual peak.

As opposed to invading and slaughtering them at the behest of a massively inbred royal dynasty?

Based leaf

Is that why the US is a world superpower instead of a regional power? We're all fucked demographically, don't think that you won't see these numbers within a few decades.

He's a German. He swaps his loyalties from one occupier to another. It's like a slave saying he'd rather be at the plantation down the road.

Still haven't told me why we need you.

Estonia has won more wars against the Russians than the Germans have. You're okay Balticbro.

The world is tripolar and you have no seat at the table. The EU is a paper tiger only capable of short term economic benefits. Russia and China are the only other relevant nations, and you will always be under the control of one of them no matter what you do.

Aging, increasingly desperate Russia.
Hey, don't you idiots get oil and gas from them?
Don't these two things make them even more dependent on us?

Things were so good that they needed to be locked in under threat of lethal force.
Illiberalism is always done by force, idiot.

Which part of Germany is full of faggots? Remind me please.

The Carmina Burana alone is better than almost any piece of American music.

US occupation of continental Europe

Still sour about losing both world wars huh?

Every country who doesn't meet the 2% by 2024 should be kicked out of NATO
NATO should be dissolved entirely. They don't want us and we don't need them. Fine by me. We'll find partners who do want us around and deal with them on a bilateral basis.

We went from 200,000 to 40,000 without a deep recession, going from 40,000 to 0 isn't going to cause one either.

You forgot the timing. You dropped from 200K to 40K back when the German economy wasn't pushed to the edge by all the domestic and foreign social welfare programs. Germany will have to cut even more foreign aid programs and expenditures on foreign-based projects such as NATO or sending German soldiers out on cooperative United Nations missions.

Dropping that last 40K wouldn't be so bad if it had been done decades ago. But right now, Germany is getting close to the edge. It cannot afford deficit spending because the rest of Europe relies on Germany to rescue it now that Brexit is under way and other countries are going to have future debt loss haircuts such as Sweden, Denmark, and France due to their huge muslim immigrant and muslim refugee migrant populations causing financial problems in the next 10 years.

So Germany needs that 40K to prepare for the next 10 years. If nothing else, that 40K will allow Germany to save face with an "under the table request". Rather than the USA publicly sending aid to Germany, the USA will quietly use the 40K and bases to funnel money to the German economy.

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Sadly true

Said nation proceeds to become the most powerful country in world history.
Natural resources and the lucky coincidence that Europe destroyed itself aided you. Unlucky for you your liberal ideology under which your country was founded let the Jews take over and enslave you.

East Germany was objectively terrible. They were a serf state to the Soviets who had a shit quality of life themselves.
East Germany was built to be a Socialist model state so to serve as an example in the propagandistic competition with the west. Among the Socialist states, East Germany had probably the highest quality of life. It may not have been perfect but I already said: it was better in some regards.

You've been doing your best to keep Russia and China out but it's not going to happen forever. A tripolar world does not yet exist. China has been gaining in relevancy, in particular in Asia, but as things are right now America still has its grasp on the world. It won't last forever though, and it's in our national interest that it doesn't.

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And being forced to stay is the biggest indicator of a shitty place. Illiberal or not. The difference between a gated community and a prison is whether or not the walls were meant to keep shit out or keep shit in. You were the shit being kept in, the Soviet septic tank.

Germans: the ultimate mind-broken shabbos goyim/spiritual semites - version 01.

We pay 1.25% and there is no way in hell you'll be kicking us out of NATO or NORAD, I'll help you strongarm the Krauts tho.

It really isn't. The US enables international sovereignty. China and Russia usurp it. You are biting the hand that feeds under the assumption that being free of US influence gives you greater self determination. It doesn't. Our occupation is a stalwart against others who wish to do worse.

rep and dem party and the media don't take Trump seriously
he pulling out of climate accords and making diplomatic rhetoric against what both big parties stand for
Nobody should take Trump seriously, he's literally stupid and doesn't read much making many absurd statement about facts he's misinformed or doesn't have a clue but is courageous enough to make public statements.
Everybody is defying Trump starting with the lowest journalist, it's time others do so too.

How the fuck does the USA expect Germany to pay for an additional million welfare living Africans by 2024 if it is spending the money on the military?

The kvetching was related to Grenell, you got that right? That's why it's in quotes.

I, too, assume there's another big thing lurking in the financial system somewhere. But this time it won't be saved anymore. We'll get a brand new monetary system. With Vollgeld and everything.

You do realize that there are other ways for us to get your money besides just asking for it, don't you?
No, I don't realize that. What other methods are there?

but it would be fun to watch brussels try to outjew the usa
I was talking about Berlin not Brussels.

I didn't know Germans were so prone to baseless optimism

You hear optimism from leftists.
The leftists suppress eveyrone else's opinions and forum discussions with anti-discrimination laws. Germany isn't as bad as England with suppression of dissent forums, but it will get there as things get worse.

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This.

How about you sharts pull out of Germany so we can fast track EU army.

The US enables international sovereignty.

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importing shitskins and spics?
Mostly letting them in.

I'll get right on that my dude
I just called president trumpu, he said it's happening by the end of the year.

we both know who dictates what happens in the eu :^)

being this much of a Muhammad
It's simple. Pay gibs or GTFO faggots.

A multipolar world is in our national interest!
absolutely surrounded by potential foes
geography that isn't easily defensible
poor ocean access
few natural resources
energy importer but not by choice
demographics are fucked (somebody's having babies in Germany but it ain't Germans!)
about to be overrun by shitskins (who, again, didn't forget how to have kids)
largest bank about to collapse and crash this bitch with no survivors
currency tied to perennial ecomomic powerhouses such as Greece and Italy (fucking LOL)
Oh yeah, you guys are fucking set! You totally won't be begging us to let you in about 10 years from now when you flee your failed state

As if.

right now, Germany is getting close to the edge. It cannot afford deficit spending because the rest of Europe relies on Germany to rescue it now that Brexit is under way and other countries are going to have future debt loss haircuts such as Sweden, Denmark, and France due to their huge muslim immigrant and muslim refugee migrant populations causing financial problems in the next 10 years.
This is all true, but the 40k are a drop in the bucket (even ignoring the fact that the US is bluffing). We don't host them here for free either, cf.
rand.org/content/dam/rand/pubs/research_reports/RR200/RR201/RAND_RR201.pdf
Appendix H, Table H.3

I feel something will happen in the next few months too, trump will drop to his knees and praise israel while suck Netanfuckyus cock like the best goy he is.
go mutilate dicks you traitor rat.

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Funny world we live in, never thought I would live in a world with only one degree of separation to the sitting president. Drives his aide and secret services mad, all of the craziest conspiracy theories makes it to his ears.

America's helmet
NATO still gets dissolved, but we'll deal fairly with Leafistan. You get the neighborhood discount.

America is taking sovereignty from nations forcing them to take in immigrants to keep ponzi economies going. Americas biggest gripe to nations is if they refuse to open up for this globalist agenda. The jews want globalism to eventually mix all the races and do away with nation states all together so they may rule the world from a global congress in Israel.

A multipolar world is in our national interest.
Exactly. Why is nobody in politics ever speaking out this simple truth? It would make German foreign policy so much clearer.

Yes, we should keep out of "Europe" altogether.
Glad we're in agreement here.
Now, chop chop.
Pack up.

East Germany was objectively terrible.
Them not being mentally deformed by America was a huge benefit for them. Long term the damage done to the Western parts of Germany through brainwashing far outweigh these measly 40 years of commie rule.

Dropping that last 40K wouldn't be so bad if it had been done decades ago.
These bases are a net burden to us. All of this "contributes to the economy" talk is complete bullshit. Just because some 40k people buy their groceries here or there doesn't make it a matter of national economic importance. That's ridiculous.

And being forced to stay is the biggest indicator of a shitty place. Illiberal or not.
Any great society works with force and has a certain part of the population that gets the short end and wants to leave.
I'm of course not saying it was perfect or even a good country but it wasn't flooded with turks and kept a very German, a very authoritarian attitude.

German "economy" is nothing but a parasitic entity at this point. What keeps them afloat is leeching from eastern european countries. They are in deep lose home all gains comes from eastern europe.

What are you talking about?

In a multi polar world the EU isnt going away but rather they will be free to run their government as they please. This means no more paying for American occupation and obeying all these shitty tariffs and sanctions America is forcing Europe to enact.

HUR DUR America is protecting Europe
Americans are killing Europe in multi ways from Brexit from trade barriers to NATO.

How about we shut down our euro bases and encourage the abbo euros to revolt

Makes sense, one more negative quarter and Germany is in a literal recession.

Drives his aide and secret services mad,
The ones that turn the lights off when he does live tv and talks about the intelligence services?

The 2% coming from us is still smaller than the absolutely nothing Germany is spending. When you also look at direct financial contributions as opposed to just percentage of GDP, you see that Germany is actually the second biggest contributor to NATO operations at just about 100-200 million less than the USA.

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Why do you think ending the American occupation of European regions you conquered in WWII is somehow a valid threat?
What are you gonna threaten them with next?
Are you gonna take all of the Somali rocket scientists that they allowed in thus denying them the great talents of the lightbulb head shaped Somalis?

A Multi polar world is de dollarization so goodbye American empire and goodbye US military industrial complex. Farewell Israel too. The only one you see openly supporting multi polar seem to be Russia. China likes the American empire as they are using it to springboard to their own unipolar world domination schemes.

So this means in the direction of 2%, and we will continue to go in this direction also after 2024,” Merkel said.
Kick them out of NATO.
They are cucking on Russia and building up European dependence on Russian gas.
They are cucking on Iran.
They aren't spending enough on the military.
They moralfag on rapefugees and sanctions on nations that are threats to NATO.

Why are we pretending that they are on the side of the west?

leeching from eastern european countries
HAHAHAHA, you mean the cheap prostitutes and labor?

Has Germany ever made a treaty and actually honored it?
Yes, as part of the web of alliances that escalated into the great war

Be America crash the EUs economy
Oh by the way we want you to pay us for the privilege of occupying your countries
Its not fair our tax payers have to pay for these occupations

lmao

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absolutely surrounded by potential foes
geography that isn't easily defensible
poor ocean access
few natural resources
You're all saying this as if it was a new thing. We've always been in that position and still came out on top.

energy importer but not by choice
We've got loads of coal. But climate change and so on. You know.
I hope we'll be the first country to be completely powered by fusion energy.

demographics are fucked (somebody's having babies in Germany but it ain't Germans!)
Germans are actually having more kids again. But it's a slow change.

about to be overrun by shitskins (who, again, didn't forget how to have kids)
Things are changing, though.
In 5 years we might even be going full racist again and then we'll clean house..

largest bank about to collapse and crash this bitch with no survivors
You understand it's an investment bank and practically nobody has his money there, right? It's more like Goldman-Sachs. Nobody other than (((them))) will lose money if they go bust.

currency tied to perennial ecomomic powerhouses such as Greece and Italy (fucking LOL)
No, it's their currency that's tied to ours. The 10yr Bund yields are still the gold standard for European financial markets.

You totally won't be begging us to let you in about 10 years from now when you flee your failed state
Fleeing to the US you mean!?
Who in the right mind....

Come on Fritz! We fought proudly. Our inbred king on the other hand, shit his pants.

Fucking Swedes, Not a real member of NATO, sink an American aircraft carrier in NATO training exercise... We let you live for now.

Honestly i wouldnt give us money either we just direct it to israel.

You're all saying this as if it was a new thing. We've always been in that position and still came out on top.
Germany isn't on top of anything. I never understood the delusional state Europeans are in especially Germans.

Funny how EU never reach their goals but always want more than they bargained for on the initial contract

I'll gib you 1 trillion to preserve the rainforest and keep those niggers on the stone age, cuz we like how they paint their faces and shit
Ends up not giving even 1 billion, yet demands amazon to be a free indigenous country ruled by the UN

Don't give shit about nato cuz lol who'll mess with the burgers, right?
Cry a river when burgers threaten to leave their asses exposed, and demand their full protection with ICBMs and sheeeit

Fuck the (((EU)))

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Good heil mommy Merkel

be burger
50% of your gdp goes to the army and israel
form defense alliance with western nations
agree with your partners to share the economic burden
end up paying for everything instead
”B-b-BBUT PAY YOUR SHARE”
burgers face when germany enjoys freedom from russia and social security on your dime

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Come on Fritz! We fought proudly. Our inbred king on the other hand, shit his pants.
You weren't industrialized properly for a world war. The amount of material that you need to pump out is enormeous.
People should have known after the 1st WW.

Germany isn't on top of anything. I never understood the delusional state Europeans are in especially Germans.
What? Who is then?

The USSR is dissolved so NATO exists as an extortion racket to cycle dollars and power the MIC.

Only anti European nations like Britain and Poland like it.

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occupied germany
The only people occupying you are marxist jews and their islamic pets.

She has to spend all that money on immigrants.

murricans itt Russia will get you Germany!!!
It's quite idiotic to even think Russia will invade germany. In fact only murricans think it's real.
If germany will quit nato nothing will actually happen, which is probably the worst scenario for US. Because it's in US interests to be there and project power hiding behind russian scarecrow.
You know, they could actually say fuck you and make YOU pay for a right to station troops there. And you will pay.

Even if Germany would stop having a military and Trump whining over it, they would still remain in Germany as an occupation force and even extend their engagement.
Not because of average Joe wanting it, but because Shlomo wants it.

it's time for the EU to collapse. useless fucking retards

Muh arab joke
Shut the fuck up mr González mongrel zogbot. And get the fuck out of Europe, niggers.

also murricans: you are vassal hurr durr
You seriously should forget that word. US send it's dominance to the world under the idea that it's exactly NOT an empire and it will not behave like one. The minute you'll start to treat your allies like vassals in the open you'll lose your beloved military alliances.

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Do you really believe that if white euros were to revolt right now that our troops stationed there would idly stand by?

Found the russian without aids and 3,6 roentgen.
And sure it's all true.

I think we would say "best of luck" and leave in an orderly fashion. Us being in Germany hasnt been about YOU for quite a few years. It has been about keeping Russia out of Europe. Which everyone except you seems to be okay with. Which I find funny, considering the anal pounding they gave you at the end of the war.

Obviously not.
You would probably step in and immediately restore the neo-liberal order.
Which is why maintaining bases in Germany is advantageous to Washington.
So, your threats of removing your occupation are empty.

wtf is that shit? soends wosrt than brave new world senpai.
who the fuck have a "gov guy" in his life lol

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Germany goes off on its own politics swing right try to take over world lose to USA repeat

broke piece of shit thinks anyone cares about his opinion
Your people are literally the shit beneath my Nike's. You'll be a vassal state your ENTIRE LIFE. You'll never be free from being a wage slave to your masters. You'll live a miserable existence and then die at a young age. Enjoy your next five years on this earth you bankrupt faggot.

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Fucking Swedes, Not a real member of NATO, sink an American aircraft carrier in NATO training exercise... We let you live for now.
It is easier to conceal a small object than a large one.

US ships are blue navy vessels, they sound a lot and the best ships (Arleigh Burke) are 30 year old designs.
They will make a lot of noise, so a small object that is quiet and non reflective (of sound waves in this case) will stay undetected.

The carriers are 45+ year old designs, with noise levels that go with them.

If you and all your friends glow in the dark it may be difficult to spot a faint light in the distance, so to speak.

Trump

Not a Zionist stooge.

L.E.L.

Keeping the russia out of Europe
Your whole narrative will collapse as soviet union.
We are ultracapitalist assholes right now and want unrestricted trade with Europe and with Germany in a first place.
If Germany is out of NATO and none of your invasion fantasies will happen than it puts a serious question about actual US role in european safety. Which will lead gradually to btfo US from Europe.

2040
This post is legitimately a mental illness and the finest definition of mental gymnastics. Legit everyone claims you're slated for economic collapse within a year. Your in the red on everything atm.

Guys let's not fight

its all your fault

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This is the longest period in European history without a war. They want to fuck that up over half a percent?
Fucking let 'em

this is what burgers actually believe

4D chess.

based nip

Russia is literally always one ruler away from aggressively bullying it's neighbors. You think the leaders in moscow give a single fuck what vlad the second hand levi vendor wants his country to do?

We should just kick Germany out of NATO.

Also, pooty is an old guard KGB man. You really believe he doesnt sit alone at night wondering how he can get Russia it's big red boogyman magic back?

So, Germany goes back on it's word..who'd have thought it?

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The green thing is the only thing that matters

He repeats ny times babble and thinks it's a valid argument for me
No it's not.
You know it's quite surreal that US singlehandedly torpedoed EU safety in just 20 years, went out from every disarmament and arms control treatys with Russia and still thinks it is a some sort of peacemaker.
It's like Freddy Crueger thst is totally convinced he is a good guy.

We aren't doing well at all.

We had GDP numbers for Q2 this week. Growth was negative for the first time in six years. Sentiment among businesses is that Q3 will be even worse which means Germany will officially be in recession this autumn. Economic institutes and experts have been sounding the alarm for months now, but the government is ignoring things to focus on climate change because it's popular with voters. Student climate protesters have dominated the political narrative all year. This hoax is killing us.

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Will push for the EU Army now, esp if U.S. removes troops...

America would collapse without NATO
Dumbest thing I’ve ever read. US doesn’t even benefit from it, it’s just a bribe so everyone took our side against the soviets. Protecting world trade is an economic loss for the Us

Nigger how you going to get oil and move your shitty goods out of your country without the American military guaranteeing your safety? Youll have to provide your own protection, which must drive up cost.
If it was up to me Id abandon the whole lazy cheap stinking lot of ya to rot in your own shit

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Doesn't benefit from it
So why wasn't it eleminated after the collapse of the SU?

Because the global powers dont give a flying fuck about america, they have no objection to bleeding us dry for the sake of world empire.

Vlad. You dont seem to get subtle, so I will spell it out a different way. Your people literally have "dindu tier" people skills on the global stage. You literally dont respect anyone that cannot kick your dick inside out and you treat them as such. Which is fine with me, because we pose that threat to you. Europe does not and the U.S. is not going to just sit around and watch you assholes take over half or all of Europe and become a threat to us again, because they are too fucking naive to see you people for what you are and are throwing a tantrum because we wont take the fucking training wheels off the bicycle. Because WE will have to clean up the fucking mess.

We said we’ll move towards 2% and that’s what we are doing, going from 1.1% to 1.5%. Also, why single out us, nobody takes the 2% seriously, not even you limeys. Also, why not shit on Canadians for a second?

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There is no "powers" since 1991. There is exactly one power on the globe right now, even with all that china scare.
US had an unprecedented chance, a first single global power without any opposition. You forged twenty years ago a modern world we live in right now. It's all were your decisions as a country.
You want to blame anyone for the shit mess it turned on, but ultimately it's your fault. Simple as that.
Many great nations throughout the history were forced to acknowledge their imistakes and pay for them. It's your turn now.

that shirt is hilarious

lol I love the image of the US being the parent and all you shitholes being snotnosed babies running around crying shitting their pants

Hurr durr you are inherently evil
Your argument. :)

Yeh, sure, clever words from Merkel. Actually, the UK does pay the stated fee. But let's be honest, Germany is aobut to go into recession, it's understandable Merkel wouldn't be keen on giving more money to NATO.

Steal any territories from your neighbors again recently, vlad?

Not evil, just simple. If people disagree with you or dont do what you want, you fight them or try to intimidate them.

*about

All you shitholes
Fuck off back to your continent then.
Oh you can't? There is an important mission you have lmao? It's all for dem stoopid euros huh?

Guess what Vlad, we get to have our own continent and eat your cake too

for better or for worse
trump isn't going to win re-election
he's just pissed off too much of his voterbase
he shat all over the 2A
he hasn't used executive power to put up the wall
we've got a record number of illegal border crossings
etc, etc, etc...
goddamn red flag laws? seriously? is he fucking retarded?
he's trying to make everyone happy but ends up pissing everyone off; he needs to stop trying to appease the left--they hate him and will NEVER like him.
stop teasing amnesty! jesus fucking christ.
at least he's picking semi conservative judges.
i don't think that's enough to get me to get off the couch in november though.

The delusional mommy tulsi/yang gang pipe dreamer has entered the thread.

Arab Spring
Yugoslavia
Iraq
It gets especially funny when murrican thinks he has moral highground while up to his knees in blood.

Arab Spring
not a US territory

Yugoslavia
not a US territory

Iraq
not a US territory

Crimea
Russian territory
Hol up

Then be bamboozled by us dear Cletus)))
God knows we are masters of it.

no.
fuck them both.
i'm just not motivated to vote for trump.

Take your krokodil, chink

It isnt about virtue signalling about who is the good guy. We lost that PR battle many years ago. But, we ARE still the U.S. and we have been holding hands with you people in the shadows long enough to understand your "games". Even if Europe does not or wants to cut off their own dick to spite us.