Why should I save the West?

>playing WOW with a controller

>roastie
Well, there’s no reason for YOU to, society cares even less about you than you do about it. I know you don’t think that’s possible but trust me it is. It’s actually ironic in a way, since people like you isolating yourself from our society and dying quietly is one of the best things people like you can do to save the west. Just play your video games and watch your porn, let the real men take care of saving the west.

Danke doktor

any reason to be a man in today's day and age?

Civil war comes first, then you'll have an incentive for all those things.

Becuase the alternative (being an incel neet that lives with mommy and has never touched a girl) is just pathetic. Isn’t that enough reason? Do you have no self-respect whatsoever?

>let the real men take care of saving the west

That's the whole joke of it. The "real men", the Chads that are out there fucking 90% of the females will not do anything to build up society.

Society only functions when you promise Beta men a good looking wife who will bear children. Otherwise, the Beta has zero incentive to work; pay taxes; participate and rush into burning buildings to save bitches. That is to say that society only works when the marriage institution is forced by the community.

This is what we are seeing now. Zero Fucks being given to the next crop of roasties who are hitting the Wall and have this fucking bewildered look on their faces when there are no Beta Providers lining up to take care of them now that they have no sexual value.

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Nothing to make time that the crisis is not happening.

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>has never touched a girl

Most modern women are fucking disgusting hags at age 25. Covered in tattoos; beer guts; ugly pimpled cellulite cunt mounds and piercings. They are always overweight and have zero personality or ability to carry a thoughtful conversation.

Sexbots will come soon to replace thots. In the mean time, porn is getting insanely good. New anti-cuck styles are the best where you watch a 10/10 female teen masturbating. Personally I don't watch cuck porn. I only watch gorgeous women masturbate and moan and do my own thing. VR porn will be another nail in the coffin for female manipulation tactics.

I have fucked many a real woman and it's been fairly terrible since I passed 25. I would say you can fuck 1-5 broads before age 25. That is the best it will get. Don't bother past that age because there is nothing to become of it. Women past 25 are mentally broken and physically disgusting. You wont be able to get it up half the time.

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a convenient time for the Joker movie to come out

Well honestly it’s a good thing beta males are locking themselves up in their rooms and dying alone. When’s the last time you ever heard anyone say “you know what we need more of in this group/team/country? More weak, effeminate beta men?” Probably never.

>very convenient definition of a man

Good luck. t. fake man.

>Chads that are out there fucking 90% of the females
The irony of this naturalist "MGTOWS will just die out" bs, is that Chads are not breeding either. They're just sport fucking.

Last I checked those effeminate males are dressing in black and kicking your ass on the streets. None of them are MGTOW though.

Hedonism does not give me fulfillment. I believe there is something more and I will try reaching for it, even if it does not exist, as I am unable to be complacent with how things currently are.
Having it any other way seems dishonorable to me.

Dont then .

Yeah, you’re proving my point you know. Antifa is not exactly “the thing to be” for a young man.

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>Well honestly it’s a good thing beta males are locking themselves up in their rooms and dying alone.

Our State (In the West) is a Welfare State and also gynocentric. This is to say the women are spending at least 3/4 of men's money. Men are worked hard and taxed hard whereas women get a free ride. Women get all kinds of free healthcare; free grants; loans; special business grants; special programs....all in addition to daily cuckholdry from white knight orbiters who do things like hold doors open; move furniture for free and gladly scoop up post-wall roasties after they've ridden the cock carousel.

All this is funded by "Betas". So what you are using is a reverse psychology. You are suggesting "We wont miss you faggots!" when in fact, you are "desperate" for Betas to participate so you can spend their money. The alternative is that women actually have to "contribute" to society.....and by that I mean do something of worth other than putting their tits on display.

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Some people can't help not caring. That's why Jow Forums is philosophically against individualists. Because cooperation is needed to take down the ireedeemably selfish stooges.

You're putting me off.

Subjective. They own the streets and you don't. When is that survival of the fittest thing going to kick in?

Just date a younger girl and mold her into your perfect wife.
worked for me.

a team of only leaders is a shitty team that will be consumed by in-fighting and power grabs, you really think you can pry chad away from the drugs and whores long enough to maintain civilization? Good luck nigger, you're going to need it

Don't do anything, enjoy your games, get old, waste your life, feel regret, and die old and poor.

So what you’re saying essentially amounts to “women can live like niggers off the government, why can’t men?” Well last time I checked we don’t need women to do anything, which is why they haven’t worked since the beginning of time, until about the 1950s/60s. If a man will not work, them why do we need that man? Women at least have one purpose.

Not for you. Play games and piss in plastic bottles.

>The irony of this naturalist "MGTOWS will just die out" bs, is that Chads are not breeding either. They're just sport fucking.

To some extent yes. In many other circumstances, Chads are knocking bitches up and skipping town. That has always been a perennial role of the Beta, to bring up Chad's children after he's long gone. Even many of our (((Hollywood instructions in movies))) have taught us that it's noble to bring up Chad's kids by sacrificing our own life and becoming a life-long wage slave. You know, we know see Becky "as a person" and give her and her kids the life they "deserve".

It depends largely on how meticulous a woman is with her birth control methods.

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Here's a cool somewhat related thing: PoF wont let me search for women below 25-38 age range.

Save from what?

You're thinking of niggers, not Chads.

>Having it any other way seems dishonorable to me.

It's a matter of accepting that you were born into a Sick Society. MGTOW is coping with where our society is in its history.

There is no fixing what is wrong with the gender relationships. It's a nature cycle of civilizations rising and falling.

You see, our civilization "must fall" so that we can remember once again, what it's like to be uncivilized. That is a powerful lesson that will be installed into the next 10 generations of humans.

You are trying to work withing a system that is specifically designed to exploit you. It's not about "Try Harder". It's about understanding the mechanism in place that is poison to you.

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When mommy kicks their little antifa thug out of the house. So I guess to say never.

At this point I've just decided if not getting married pisses boomers off, I'm going to keep not getting married. Spite is all I have left in this worthless hellworld.

What do you propose? Not breeding? Impregnating a worthless woman and letting her abscond with my children?
There is a way out. I just have to be meticulous. I have to be better than my peers and even my ancestors. That is the only way to make it right.

You shouldn't. Fuck em all. Secure yourself a nice quiet life and watch it burn.

>If a man will not work, them why do we need that man?

The whole point of MGTOW is to force that point. Society does need men. It needs their cures; their technology; their testosterone filled drive to make life better.

Women are needed simply as machines to produce more men.

MGTOW and Tradcon go hand and hand. MGTOW forces the collapse of society which then brings war, strife and despair. Out of those ashes comes a new strong society governed by a Patriarchy.

Can't you see? Women were only allowed to be selfish if they were allowed to be the property of men. Otherwise, there is no point in allowing them to be selfish. By "Going MGTOW" or "Being Selfish" men are forcing the point that women cannot continue to go on doing this and expect men to take all the responsibility (fighting wars; paying exorbitant taxes; jumping into burning buildings; holding open doors; white knighting in public for damsels in distress).

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>Here's a cool somewhat related thing: PoF wont let me search for women below 25-38 age range.

What are you....like 55 Boomer?

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>Chads are knocking bitches up and skipping town.
So niggers are chads?

No, I'm a 38 y/o boomer

>I have to be better than my peers and even my ancestors.

I know you're a Tradcon shill but I can still spring board off your posts.

This is some Pasta that a wise user once wrote.

TL;DR If the Community does not support your marriage 100% all your Try Hard is in complete vain. When you marry the modern woman, you marry (((The State))) and give up your male sovereignty.

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But that’s not how traditional marriages worked at all. A traditional marriage is not guaranteed by either partner, husband or wife, and their individual trustworthiness while important is not the final power which holds the marriage together. A traditional marriage is guaranteed by the community. By the priest and the mayor, by her father and yours, and by all the people around you who will push you back into the mold whenever you want to fall out, who will be pitiless when either of you want to give up, who will cast out the faithless wife or the undutiful husband if they break their promise.

No modern man can have a traditional marriage, because the social, spiritual and legal structures that can actually create a traditional marriage do not exist. You can only have a modern marriage in a modern society, no matter how “trad” the woman in question is.

-user

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Well I think you’re kinda getting the point.
>Society does need men. It needs their cures; their technology; their testosterone filled drive to make life better.
>Women are needed simply as machines to produce more men.
Both of those points are 100% correct, society needs men and for the most part, doesn’t need women. But you said it yourself: we need men because everything important is done by men, invented by men or otherwise has men responsible for it in one way or another. We need men to go to work, to be fathers, to be husbands, to provide for their families and to improve the world through their works.

But what if a man has no drive? A man who won’t create a family and can’t even hold down a job, who does nothing but play video games and watch anime, and never even leaves the basement. What does a man like this bring to society? Pretty much exactly the same thing women do (read: zero), but they can’t even have children. Totally worthless. That’s what mgtow leads to, totally worthless men

>So niggers are chads?

Plenty of white Chads skipped out. Maybe they tried to make a shot gun marriage work for 1-3 years and then went back to pussy dipping.

Only Betas seem to have to fortitude to be a life partner to a woman. Women instinctively know this. They have to date-down once their SMV plummets at age 30.

Empathize with Chad for just a second. If you could fuck 90% of the women out there, would you SERIOUSLY chain yourself to one woman just because you knocked her up? Hell no. That is Beta work.

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100% agreed. You read that book about civilizations and their stages, each civ lasts 250 years. Now is time for the collapse.

this

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>No, I'm a 38 y/o boomer

Probably the official reason is that they don't want Predators on those sites. But more to the point, dating sites are specifically designed to "Find Women Beta Providers". All the questions are basically Cuck Filters. You'll find questions like "How often do you play video games" or "Do you agree with how Trump said this or that"

A woman at age 18-25 who is at least a 6/10 can easily go out in public and have like 100 men asking her on a date. Dating sites are for roasties who are mentally ill and have no hope left.

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>But what if a man has no drive? A man who won’t create a family and can’t even hold down a job, who does nothing but play video games and watch anime, and never even leaves the basement. What does a man like this bring to society? Pretty much exactly the same thing women do (read: zero), but they can’t even have children. Totally worthless. That’s what mgtow leads to, totally worthless men

You sound like AI. You're completely ignoring my point. The only thing left is to watch society burn down. That is why "MGTOW is a thing".

There is nothing left to save.

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interesting, also the pic made me kek, bless you mario

>You read that book about civilizations and their stages, each civ lasts 250 years.

Fate of Empires by John Glubb. It's an excellent short paper that can be read in less than an hour.

Glubb wrote the paper long ago, perhaps more than 100 years. He never spoke to modern day terms like MGTOW or Feminism but he stated that a society only has ten generations before the last generation is so far removed from the first that they forget what was sacrificed to start the empire.

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All true, but it's curious that they wouldn't even let me select the age range where fertile women are - 18-24. Just no, fuck off, you can't even see them.

thanks doc

Again, what is your proposal? I have said in my initial post that I don't know if the thing I strive for exists, but giving up from the outset would be worse than not fighting even impossible odds.

Furthermore, while there is some truth in this demoralizing copypasta, it does neglect the fact that we have statistics that show you can vastly boost your odds in marriage by planning wisely, as common sense would tell you.
Not breeding is not a viable choice for me and neither is starting a family of bastards.

Italians are fucking based

Why doesn't every non-criminal white man have the right to open carry, per the Constitution? Is it because God isn't on his side? Why did God abandon the US?

Thank you for finally admitting MGTOW is cope for being a loser

That wasn't even what he said you illiterate. He said coping with the realization that civilization is fucked, and that you had the misfortune of being born when it's prepared to collapse.

>Not breeding is not a viable choice for me

You are designing your words not to be your own but an echo of how you would like other men in this thread to think. You are perhaps caught in a pyramid scheme. You're all-in and now must convince others to buy-in as well or there will be no services; no resources; no participation in the rigged game you are also a part of.

If it was simply a matter of MGTOW not being a choice for you, you would live with that and leave this thread. You have motive to convince people of your path.

I have motive to warn young men of the rigged game people like you are trying to lure them into. A lifetime of financial slavery in a system clearly designed to exploit men for the benefit of female welfare.

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Imagine taking public transportation

you shouldn't

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Imagine living in a country that has been so Mexicanized and Niggerized that you can't take the bus that you pay for with your taxes when your car is in the shop, or you just don't feel like dealing with parking.

It's your duty you fucking degenerate.

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It's always future tense. I'd propose anyone saying "collapse" be specific from now on. Do you mean the infrastructure or the very defining qualities and values of a free society that is also civilized?

>Again, what is your proposal?

Furthermore, you use this line as a "sinker" to pose that "I have offered no solutions" to the people you want on your side.

But again, you are asking me and others on my path to participate in a rigged system.

You are asking, "What is your proposal for participating in a system rigged to exploit you as a male and transfer all your wealth; benefits and legacy to a woman?"

Ask any guy in MGTOW what his "proposal" is and he'll tell you Hobbies; Research; Lift Weights; Go out and take photos; Camp in the Woods; Chat online; Beat a video game; get a dog; watch a new movie; read a philosophical text; learn woodworking; learn engine repair; work his land; hone bush-craft skills or participate in an online forum.

He'll tell you that his Proposal is to enjoy his life and not make his reason for living the pursuit of a woman. He'll tell you that his proposal is not to worship pussy. He'll tell you that his proposal is clarity.

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Really NEET life kicks ass not working and collecting welfare. It's extremely enjoyable.

However I know full well I'm going to be working my ass off when Revolution Against Kikes start. It will be more than a 40 hour work week.

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>his Proposal is to enjoy his life
lol you faggots sound just like women

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Dudes... look at the 1000 cock stare in second set vs the first one.

Amazing.

>lol you faggots sound just like women

Your troll is designed to make it sound honorable to be a Cuck?

Seriously, it that what you are suggesting?

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Move to a better state or a country where divorce laws aren't biased for women.

Where did I say anything about being a cuck?

they don't sell tickets to Mars yet

Or just dont get a divorce

She'll accuse you of raping her if she's a cunt.

>if she's a cunt.
Dont marry a cunt

If you don't like it, change it. Find a solution to the ills of the West. Otherwise you are worthless, and nothing but a selfish, hedonistic animal.

that just sounds like "don't marry"

No
Marry a quality woman

>Where did I say anything about being a cuck?

Your AI core is very 1.0. Please ask your programming team to add in more logical switches so that your answers seem more nuanced and less robotic.

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Well, even if you do, it only takes one close cunt friend who is an absolute lefty to infect her brain. She needs to be redpilled on basic feminist issues beforehand.

Men were evolutionarily rigged to give up resources for their women and their offspring. More men joining this tradition only serves to strengthen society.

What do you do with your resources? Do you think you can live for the rest of your life only for hedonism and still respect yourself?

None of your proposals sound appealing to me without the context of also passing the torch to the next generation. To pick one particularly egregious example, I do not think sane humans should waste energy and resources on dogs when they could have spent that on raising human children. Having a dog in stead of a child is pure cuckoldry, with one exception I am willing to make is having a guard dog.

You have finally revealed that you have no proposal, only temporary hedonism to fill the void.

>dodging there question
Where did I say you should be a cuck
>She needs to be redpilled on basic feminist issues beforehand.
not hard to do

>be pol
>post honklers all day
>MGTOW is worthless and selfish tho

Have not met one yet. Already pushing 40 myself.

>Have not met one yet
Hang out with higher quality people

Depends how bluepilled and deluded a lady is.

It is not hard
Women are designed to follow

>What do you do with your resources?
They keyword you missed is "THEIR women and offspring". As in it was their property. and so they spent money and effort maintaining it. Same way I maintain my car/house. In that context your question has an obvious answer - I do with my resources the exact same thing men always have - I spend it on myself, my needs and interests.

Way to be reductionist.

If you cant meet quality women and other people can maybe you are the problem

>Men were evolutionarily rigged to give up resources for their women and their offspring. More men joining this tradition only serves to strengthen society.

No, because women now have all of the rights of men but do not carry the responsibilities of men. Men giving more will not strengthen society. It will only give women license to be more selfish. A man's natural tendency to sacrifice for society is built on the idea that a woman will mind his will and not undermine him.

>What do you do with your resources? Do you think you can live for the rest of your life only for hedonism and still respect yourself?

Absolutely. I feel very good about myself. I have seen the worse scene of selfishness; vapidness; narcissism; hatred and misandry from the modern female population. I would laugh if they all sunk in a shipwreck. I have zero sympathy at this point. You cannot continue to shame men that you have taken everything away from.

> (You)
>None of your proposals sound appealing to me without the context of also passing the torch to the next generation. To pick one particularly egregious example, I do not think sane humans should waste energy and resources on dogs when they could have spent that on raising human children. Having a dog in stead of a child is pure cuckoldry, with one exception I am willing to make is having a guard dog.

The next step of society is not a pretty one. We must endure the collapse. I would never think of bringing a child into the mess we live in today. Boys being told they are women. Priests molesting our kids. Pedophiles running for office. Sexuality burned into the eyes of young 12 year old girls once they get on the internet. We have to collapse first, then we can bring in the next generation. There will be massive death and population reduction during the collapse. I don't want to loose my child to this.

>You have finally revealed that you have no proposal, only temporary hedonism to fill the void.

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>Boys being told they are women.
raise your own son
dont let the state do it

Well there you go, easy answer. BRB washing my dick.

>Well there you go, easy answer
Dont make things harder than they need to be

>Download JustABaby app
>Donate sperm to rich lesbians and lonely yuppies
>Secure your genetic future in a hands-off way
>Continue doing you

>letting degenerates raise your children