Kratom can save USA

>it's killing 10,000 every day
We need to go faster

>cures suicide
So it's like a phoenix down?

That's the freedom you like so much and exported all over the world. Don't even try to complain

I was hooked on this shit for a year. Avoid it.

the leading causes of death in the US are now suicide and drug addiction, beating car accidents, heart disease, and cancer. Our primary disease in our country is despair

I use kratom mainly for energy, prevent me from crashing or falling asleep after getting home from work.

In general though I feel like its just a crutch or a cope but I guess all drugs are.

Says Vino Addicto as he scarfs down another bottle of Pinot Grigio

>Our primary disease in our country is despair

Yep this is what I was trying to articulate

because it's profitable to have opiate addiction, pain, and suicide in place for USA

all about $$$$$$

Its so bad doctors are afraid to give you a script if you're actually in pain so you're forced to buy kratom from a headshop

Despair you say?

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What does it do?
How does it make you feel?
How does the intensity compare to say coffee, adderall?

Pretty bad. I broke my ankle and the doctor only gave me 10 low grade lortabs to hold me over while I recover. Junkies ruin everything

We don't have metal detectors in schools over here muh freedom

> Kratom

is a nigger drug.

You’re thinking of Jenkem

Just kicked this shit 2 weeks ago after 13 years of daily use. It really wasn't as hard as I thought it would be. I heard so many horry stories then just tapered off over a couple weeks.
It's only good if you use it rarely. Anyone that says you don't build a tolerance is a lying faggot. I was taking about 2oz a day. The habit was costing me about $10k a year.

what strains you like best?

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>Euphoric
*Tips*

Ive used it for a few years now for back pain. Its not gonna cure anything. Same narrative as weed. It just helps alittle

First time hearing about this. Is it safe for depression?

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Everything's fine here, fren. This opioid epidemic is completely overblown.

npr.org/2019/07/17/742818899/opioid-epidemic-road-map-shows-76-billion-pills-distributed-between-2006-and-201
>We now have a virtual road map to the opioid epidemic, a road map that shows 76 billion opioid pills were distributed across the country between the years 2006 and 2012.
>Imagine how many more got distributed in the last 7 years when the epidemic was going full fucking speed

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If you don't already know about it you're probably better off not messing with it.

It's addictive. It's also cheap if you buy it wholesale. I spend probably $800 a year to keep my wife and I supplied. We used to be opiate addicts, but in 2012 we got off the hard drugs and switched to Kratom. We went from spending $300 a week to spending $200 every 3 months or so. It's not ideal, but kratom is a manageable solution. We have legitimate jobs and bought a house and got our lives straight. It would be a shame if other people didnt get that option because kids try to get fucked up on it

Whaaaaaat???? Dude, I've been taking it for years and I don't even take it to get high anymore. Just a little boost in the morning and after lunch, like a coffee. It feels terrible to try to get really high on it. You should have been buying kilos at wholesale. That shit is stupid

I do ratios. White in the morning, mixed during the day and red at night

No, dont do drugs kid. If you're not old or injured theres no benefit for you

nice.

Drugs are a zero sum game, even kratom. I just dosed some and imo stay away. Chemically dependence wise it's not that bad. I've used it for a month straight and cold turkey'd and felt no withdrawal multiple times. Though you may take it like me and use it to coast through life, which isn't good.

>cures suicide
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

>I don't even take it to get high anymore
I got to that point and realized it was time to quit. I was taking it to feel "normal", which wasn't worth it because without it I felt like dog shit. Near the end I would only get a slight buzz or up for maybe an hour.

It's really bad I'm in Seattle and saw 3 people over dose in my Neighborhood last 2 months

I took kratom and felt like I was gonna puke once :/

>Kratom cures opiate addiction
that's fighting a fire pokemon against other fire pokemon.
>Kratom cures pain?
Does it?
>Kratom cures suicide
Long term or short term?

>Why is Kratom still legal if it's so helpful and good?
Ive seen this around for 3-4 years now. I have heard similar results that you describe. I have no personal data on it.

In NYS its fucking bad. the dealers cut their shit with fentynal which will kill you so.much easier than heroin.

It's like a shittier adderall with a bit of painkiller mixed in.

It's fun but I developed a tolerance to it super fast which I hear is common.

I wouldn't bother with it unless you're trying to get off opiates or are an alcoholic like I was, helped out pretty well.

I like the concentrated liquid kind.
I drink a small bottle every once in a while and it hits pretty hard.

It won't stay legal for long. The government wants you on their mind control pills.

Because veterans raised hell outside of capitol buildings to keep it legal.

It's highly addictive
source: 6 year every day heavy user.
It's definitely good shit though for all the reasons you mentioned, but make sure you take breaks. After prolonged use it has nasty withdrawal side effects.

>cures suicide
so we can reanimate all the corpses of ppl that killed themselves?
kratom is good shit though. helped me get through lyme. i still take some when my old ass has a rough day at work or in the gym and i'm hurtin the next day

>cures suicide
wut

feed to epstein now

also, they are trying to make it illegal. i'm on some email list that lets me know whenever states/feds are writing or voting on kratom-related stuff.

Cernokike is here pushing his drugs again.

NJ and philly has been bad for 10+ years. i lose 3-5 friends/acquaintances every year. and probably know hundreds that are addicted to opiates in one way or another.

i've used it off and on for a couple years now. i just scoop and swallow. any better method?

Pretty bad, worse than crack.

what was your method of intake? i just scoop and swallow, but that shit sucks sometimes.

I’m near seattle (fed weezy) and i see junkies/homeless overdosed in marijuanas and sleeping in the dumpsters every day. They also break into the neighbors lot and steal random stuff. We have t clean up their mess every fucking day! They also shit and piss out near the back door at work. Sucks mang

it doesn't "cure" heroin addiction, it can make it easier, but you still have to go through withdrawals eventually.

Gel capsules. You can fill them yourself if you want to save a buck.

Drinking the powder makes me puke.

ok thanks, ill try that. yeah. i've had a few times where i fuck it up and i'm coughing forever

Jared is that you? I know how much you loved eating Keaton before class and then throwing up in the bathroom... Sorry you got kicked out of school

Mixing kratom with phenibut on those rare occasions where I'm going to parties filled with strangers helps put me at ease and makes me much more socially adept without losing my faculties like you do when you get drunk. It's really good when used sparingly as a complement to phenibut.

The other day I blasted two shotgun shells to my right temple but it was too messy and I was like this semen slurping emo practice ain't for me bros

I take a TBSP and mix it into about 2 shot glasses worth of water, and take it back in 1 go. The quicker the better and make sure it's fully mixed up with no dry powder visible.

If you feel any actual effect from Kratom, you're a lightweight and probably should avoid drugs altogether.

t. fat basement dweller addicted to caffeine

I used kratom to get off of opiates and I can feel the effects from kratom fully.
If you're not feeling effects from a certain strain of kratom you should try a different one. Strains effect people differently. For example white strains don't do much for me but Red and Greens tend to be fairly potent for me.

RED VEIN
WHITE VEIN
GREEN VEIN
YELLOW VEIN

KRAAATTTTOOOOMMM!!!!

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Why don't junkies just seek out fentynal instead? Smaller dose stronger effect, less risk of an unexpected dangerous cut.

Kratom feels really amazing, but it can be difficult to quit. I am autistic (no shit, I'm on Jow Forums), and taking Kratom really helps me open up and talk to people. However, as a result of this, it has become sort of a crutch, and I don't feel comfortable going to a social gathering without first taking some Kratom. I've been trying to reduce my usage, mainly because it is an expensive habit. So, even though it is great, user beware.

Mix it with hot coffee. The bitterness of the Kratom compliments the coffee. Add creamer to make everything go down easier.

bc they're junkies, they don't do much of anything smart, unless it's a clever way to make money in order to get more of what they are used to.

Capsules have a delayed release and lesser effect in my experience.

>phenibut
I've heard that shit can be hard on your body if you take it more than once or twice a week.

What are the withdrawal symptoms?
Generally speaking drugs should not be taken daily due to withdrawal effects and general drug exhaustion

>bad
If that's how you see it.

>inb4 buy different strain
>inb4 using too little
>inb4 using too much
>inb4 empty stomach
>inb4 full stomach
>inb4 tolerance

the reason it's still legal in the US is because it don't do shit.

Pouring a tablespoon of powder up my butthole seems to be the best method.

It's similar to opioid withdraws, but not as intense or at least I'm told. Never got addicted/withdrew from opioids, only kratom.

It definitely has a noticeable effect for many people. If it doesn't effect you, it's probably just due to your genetics and there's nothing you can do about it.

or it doesn't work for one person on the internet, compared to 40-50 that i personally know it does. weird.

I'm trying to reduce my Kratom usage now. I'm using a chart to track my usage and ween off it over the course of a month or so. Does that sound reasonable?

That's what it is on the surface, but prolonged use can give you thyroid issues and fuck up your metabolism a bit. It's also still a partial opiate so if you're withdrawing and take kratom it will only prolong the time until you feel the withdrawals again.

It might work for you, everyone is different. For me I just went cold turkey and endured 3-5 days of feeling like shit. Just keep in mind that relapsing to stave off the shitty way the withdraws make you feel will only prolong the withdraws.

>drugs r gud goy!

kratom is addictive. only use it if you have a legit issue and no other options

if youre trying to get a buzz, know that it will give you only a very weak one the first time you use it, and that your tolerance will grow very rapidly. soon you'll be taking it every 2-3 hours just to avoid the anxiety you now get when you stop. also, at this point youll be a soulless zombie that doesnt derive enjoyment from anything anymore, and youll turn into a total recluse hiding out in your house

when you finally quit it, youll spend weeks tapering down your usage and dealing with crazy Restless Leg Syndrome, anxiety, and depression.

if youre bored, just go down a few beers. if alcohol is no good for you, then go for a jog. even weed is preferable to kratom.
leave this shit alone

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>you

I've never tried it, mainly because as 28484399 shows, it's a shitty drug.

the fact that it's a legal shitty drug has everyone pretending it's not a shitty drug

but u can spend your money on whatever makes you happy

Doesn't have legs (long lasting effect) like H, 1.5 hr vs 8 hr, and fent is much less euphoric.

oh and i shit you not, your hair will thin on kratom. and your complexion will look like shit. your skin will be dry as fuck and youll develop fine lines on your face that you didnt have before. and your sex drive will plummet. stay away from it, unless you have real serious issues that other treatments have failed to address

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sorry didn't realize u were all science and shit. my bad brah

It also kills your sex drive. Fucking sucks man. Kratom is about the perfect daily drug I want, but the downsides just make it not worth it. Now I just have to deal with life sober and it's fucking gay.

I wouldn't know, senpai.

Kratom is an opioid receptor agonist and comes with many of the same withdrawal and use side effects, including fucking OIC.
It’s not a miracle drug, it’s just a drug. If you want to shill for a drug, high CBD low TCH cannabis is what you want.

Definitely, tolerance builds quickly and if you get addicted and try to quit, the withdrawal is as bad as benzo withdrawal. With that being said, I take no chances and only use once every other week.

Regular Doctors were prescribing them too easily.
If you got legit pain and go to a pain specialist you can still be prescribed them regularly.
I have stenosis, bulging discs and chiari. I don't have an issue getting them prescribed or getting it filled.

Care to elaborate?

This shit is for druggies pretending not to be druggies

I was a heavy daily user of Kratom for about a year. I quit cold turkey and the worst withdrawal symptoms I got was RLS for a couple days at bedtime and a very mild cold-like feeling for a few days. That was it. For perspective nicotine was like 20X worse than quitting kratom IMO