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>3 million
Worthless

RIP and forever fuck the cunt who did it. I hope he sees Hell before he gets there.

Wow, amazing, three million of our tax dollars while the murderers get off scot free.

Unfortunately most of them will never be prosecuted, and die from old age.
Hopefully intestinal cancer.

i believe before she was shot she was shooting at federal agents and hold up in a house for days with her husband who was definitely shooting at federal agents.. she may have been mistakenly shot? i do not know the details of that day minute by minute and i was not there, but i have read about it and seen some documentaries on it. i believe they were after the male because he was making components that were illegal? silencers? explosive components? he was up to shit, so saying "for no reason" is a long stretch in my opinion.

Government swapped it to sovereign case to give immunity to the sniper. Whole thing was basically atf fucked.

>Ruby Ridge Summary

guy gets mad over land deal with Randy Weaver
judge sides with Weaver and sentences due to pay additional 21k to Weaver
guy writes letters to FBI/Sheriff asserting Weaver was threatening to kill governor/president/pope etc.
guy tells them that Weaver is a member of the Aryan Nations and has a fuckton of guns hidden
FBI/Secret Service/sheriff investigate and interview Weaver and his wife
Weavers deny allegations
Weaver was associated with Kuminick who was alleged to be Aryan Nations
Weaver states that Kuminick wasn't Aryan Nations but that he was Covenant, Sword and Arm of the Lord
Weaver reiterates that he is not Aryan Nations
Weaver files affidavit stating his personal enemies are trying to bring the fed down on him

In comes ATF to fuck everything up
Kuminick takes Weaver around and eventually introduces him to an ATF informant
Informant claims Weaver wanted to organize a group to fight the zionist occupied government
ATF claims Weaver sold them 2 sawn off shotguns shorter than min barrel length
Weaver claims that's horse shit
ATF tries to blackmail Weaver to become an informant
Weaver refuses
ATF files charges claiming Weaver is a bank robber with criminal convictions previously (this is all false)
Weaver is indicted on charges of making/possessing illegal weapons
Weaver is let out on bail
Court case becomes a fuckery because Weaver is hard to contact due to no phone
Court date is changed and letter is sent to attorney to give to Weaver telling him new date
Probation officer informs Weaver of a new date (but the wrong one)
Judge issues bench warrant
Judge is told of the fuck up in Weaver hearing the wrong date by probation officer
Judge decides not withdraw warrant
US Marshals decide to give Randy until the court day he knew of to appear in court
US Attorney's office calls up grand jury and tries to get the warrant dropped
They forgot evidence to the date fuck up
Grand jury says go get Weaver for jail now

One of those dudes also resurfaced for the Waco holocaust. And of course the satanic Jews on NPR can only kvetch about some dick in NY who choked a nigger.

US Marshals decide to treat Weaver as a fugitive
Weaver confused by inconsistent messages from lawyer and government decides to sit tight
Magistrate tells Weaver if he loses court case he will lose his land (leaving wife homeless) and the government will take his children
Weaver believes he won't get a fair trial
Marshals decide to negotiate
Assistant US attorney tells them no more negotiation
US Marshals start surveilance and build a threat profile
US Marshals create a profile basically stating Weaver is a green beret who will shoot on sight and has booby trapped his property
In reality, he's just a guy in a cabin
Media does a flyover and claims he shot at them (he didn't this is confirmed in FBI's after action report) but its used in drawing up rules of engagement

Now comes the fun

US Marshals dressed in camo with night vision and M16s are scouting the property
Marshals' throw rocks at dog kennel
Weaver's son and family friend come out to see what caused the ruckus
They decide to let a dog out and follow it cause they figured it smelt small game
US Marshals bump into Weaver's son and family friend

US Marshals shoot and kill the dog
Weaver's son fires back
Marshals kill Weaver's son
Family friend kills a marshal
Family friend is shot and injured
Everyone retreats

FBI, Idaho national guard, US Marshal's Special Ops all get involved now
Rules of Engagement are drawn up
ROE basically state if anyone has a gun, shoot to kill
Also kill all dogs

Snipers are dispatched before fbi negotiators get there
Sniper shoots Weaver injuring him
Sniper shoots and kills Weaver's wife
FBI Negotiators arrive
FBI Negotiators can't get shit done
Civilian negotiator talks them down and gets Weaver and company to surrender

Ultimately:
>Weaver acquitted of all charges cept missing court date and does 18 months
>Family friend acquitted of all charges
>Weavers sue the government for 200 million, but settle out of court for 100k for Randy, and 1 mill for each of his 3 daughters
>Family friend sues the government and wins 380k
>Sniper who killed the Weaver wife was charged with Manslaughter
>Feds moved the court case to federal court and got the sniper off due to sovereign immunity

Same sniper was at the Waco siege. The first shots fired on the last day were from the building he was in, and there were three spent cartridges collected from his position however the fed claimed the rounds could have been left by the ATF as they had been there before and that it was impossible to match to said sniper because after the Waco siege he had his rifle rebarrelled.

THEN

Victoria never fired a weapon at a paper target, much less at a Federal Agent.
Justifying a Murderer in your own ranks is no way forward together as a Republic, Agent.

>Unfortunately most of them will never be prosecuted
lol bet

SUMMARY

A sect of the Seventh Day Adventists broke off.
David Koresh molded this branch into a cult.
ATF suspected they were stockpiling illegal weapons.
Koresh offered to let the ATF inspect their paperwork but the ATF declined.
ATF obtained search and arrest warrants.
ATF claimed Koresh was running a meth lab - they weren't.
Branch Davidians learned about the raid - Koresh said he intended to talk with the ATF.
ATF decided to go through with the raid anyway as planned.

What happens next is up for debate.
>ATF says Branch Davidians shot first
>Branch Davidians say ATF shot first

Branch Davidians called emergency services within a minute of the shooting beginning to ask them to stop shooting.
2 hours of shooting went by.
Local sheriff called a ceasefire - though the ATF readily admitted they were for the ceasefire cause they were running low on ammo.
Branch Davidians let the ATF get the dead/wounded.
6 hours later ATF breaks the ceasefire.

FBI comes in now.
FBI cuts all Branch Davidian contact to outside world.
Some negotiation happens and the Davidians let some children out.
FBI let Branch Davidians make a video but decided not to release it to the public because it would garner them sympathy.
FBI started fucking with them more.
FBI starts driving Bradleys and M728s around, playing music/slaughterhouse sounds all through the night.
FBI cut all water and power.
Koresh ordered more Davidians to leave - they did and were arrested.
Janet Reno and Clinton okay'd the siege.
FBI decides to blow holes in the wall and pump in tear gas.
Sometime FBI fire pyrotechnic rounds despite instructions not to.
Fires started and everyone remaining died.

A month later the site was bulldozed destroying any remaining evidence.

ON GUNS:

Possession of an automatic firearm is not inherently illegal. Especially if one possesses an FFL or the appropriate tax stamps. Now the often argument falls upon whether or not they were using m16 Sears to be combined with ar15 lowers. This would be illegal except for two things:

The branch Davidians possesses a FFL and ran a gun store out of the compound called the mag bag.

And two, you would have to prove ill intent given that they had a FFL. Ie. That the FFL holder was not intending to sell them to government officers for the purpose of their duties nor that he possessed them for personal use such as luxury/runnimg a gun range.

Koresh swore the paperwork was done legally. He invited the ATF in to inspect both the guns and the papers. They refused. They also conveniently staged the siege while the FFL holder was out of state selling guns at a gun show.

It's funny how I know who that is whitout having to look it up.
Vicki Weaver
>SAY SOMETHING NICE ABOUT HER
Vicki Weaver loved her family.
I recommend "Ruby Ridge : The Truth and Tragedy of the Randy Weaver Family" by Jess Walter.

it is an unfortunate situation. i believe people on both sides of this conflict were killed? what was Weaver making that got him on the wrong side of the law to begin with?

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MORE GUNS

>Branch Davidians did not have mines - court documents talking of mines were speculating of mines and concealed bunkers and planned accordingly

>Branch Davidians did not have .50 cal rifles

This is what they had:

61 M16 type
2 M16 type lowers
61 AK 47 type
34 AR15 type
2 AR15 type lowers
13 Shotguns, 12 gauge
11 FN FAL types
10 Ruger Mini-14
7 35mm Flare guns
6 .30 M1 carbines
5 M11/9
5 M14
3 Galil
2 HK SP89
1 HK MP5
1 Air rifle
1 Sten
23 Beretta pistols
13 Glock pistols
8 assorted revolvers
6 Safari Arms pistols
5 Sig Sauer pistols
5 Walther pistols
2 Taurus pistols

The Branch Davidians did not have any M82s. The only evidence ever presented of .50 cal was hearsay provided by 2 people: a neighbour who said he heard a big gun and assumed .50 cal, and a former Branch Davidian who was kicked out. These claims were never confirmed despite having an FBI undercover agent in the facility who frequently shot with the Davidians and Koresh. So these claims were unsubstantiated.

Of the above guns, only 46 were automatic, but as noted before, automatic =/= illegal.

Secondly, of explosives, they had all of 4 live M-21 practice grenades. That is it. And once again, owning explosives is not inherently illegal.

This is completely ignoring the fact that the ATF refused to make any attempts to de-escalate the situation, refused to make any arrests when available, refused cooperation by the Branch Davidians, etc. ad nauseum.

Makes me wish I were more politically aware when Waco went down. Could have set me ahead well over a decade in understanding just how rampant the evil is among the ruling class.

See Whole thing was started by a disgruntled neighbours and a trigger happy atf

I agree just gonna keep copy pasting this. It was surely a time to be alive back then.

The list of guns I posted was from the Texas Rangers and FBI's subsequent investigation into the cult. It includes all guns found at the compound. There are no .50 cals on that list. The reports of the .50 cals came from the ATF and the Brady Campaign.

Likewise, when you look at the same report in regards to explosives, it is largely unlikely that the ATF agents were injured by grenades. There was a significant lack of materials to manufacture live grenades, and the only explosives used during the entirety of the siege, came from the ATF and FBI.

ON LEGAL GUNS

Considering that the guns were legally under the name of Paul Fatta, a Davidian who possessed an FFL level 7 and ran a gun store out of the compound, the 1986 FOPA doesn't really matter as they was not an infraction. Legally Fatta may possess, manufacture and modify automatic weapons for the purposes of collection, sale to law enforcement/military, or personal use for demos etc. This isn't even including any that would have been NFA legal automatics - which any of them could arguably own. Just the modified here.

Now ignoring that a more important thing wasn't even the possession. The warrant was never issued for possession of an illegal firearm. The warrant was issued for "conspiracy to possess illegal firearms". While they had a member that could legally own said illegal firearms.

It is also worth note, that the Branch Davidians, when first informed of the interest in their firearms, sought to allow the ATF to inspect not only the firearms they suspected were illegal, but also the paperwork which would show any circumstances that would right the issue - that is FFL papers/NFA tax stamps etc.

ON PAUL FATTA

Paul Fatta ran a gun store out of the compound. It was no secret that he sold to law enforcement or military. In fact, the gun store was responsible for a large portion of the group's funding for their lifestyle. Hell, he had automatics with him when the raid went down as he was selling guns in another state at a gun show.

But more importantly, if an automatic is not illegally modified - all you need is a tax stamp and anyone could own it - which basically means you just need your paperwork. Given that there was 80 or so Branch Davidians (There were 132 but I am taking into account women and children as unlikely to own a firearm) at Waco, that would not even be remotely out of the question for there to be NFA tax stamps among the group. Especially since the group was pro gun and had members who could fill out the paperwork. This paperwork was cited as evidence the group did nothing wrong, yet the ATF refused to look at it. Any evidence of this paperwork was destroyed when the compound caught fire along with various other files they maintained on religion, taxes etc.

Fatta did not need to have a "use" for the collection. And the modifications were not illegal so long as he was registered as the owner.

Lets assume they are a cult with neo-apocalyptic outlooks. You are suggesting that it is alright - or positive - for the federal government to violate the rights not only of the group but of the individual when there is no evidence of illegal wrongdoings, no trial nor allowance to provide evidence against any allegations let alone suspected allegations, and ultimately condemn the citizens to death based upon premises that are shaky at best.

Having doomsday idealism is not inherently illegal nor does it inherently mean the individual or group is dangerous to themselves or society at large. This was not even a considered factor in the warrants.

Remember, the entirety of this boils down to "conspiracy to possess an illegal firearm".

McVeigh did nothing wrong.

To assume the Branch Davidians shot first is presumptuous, especially considering at the time they had invited ATF in to the compound in regards to various claims such as a meth lab/illegal weapons. Furthermore, considering the ceasefire during the siege, the Branch Davidians also showed considerable empathy, given that after the ceasefire was called they allowed the ATF to remove the dead and wounded from inside the compound and its surrounding grounds despite having the advantage of ammunition and fortification. Given the cults reputation with nearby locals, it would be rather out of character for them for them to be non-compliant with a search warrant.

Furthermore, Authorities acknowledge they started shooting the dogs first.

What happens next depends on who you side with.
>ATF says they attempted to breach and were met with Branch Davidian gunfire
>Branch Davidians claim ATF fired first

If you look at the evidence, what you see is that:

One ATF agent admittedly shot himself on accident climbing a ladder
He was removed without any shots being fired at him despite being in full view of windows/no cover
The ATF admitted to shooting the dogs first
The church's front door had damage showing exits on the interior (meaning it was shot through from outside)

So in all likelihood, ATF shot first. This would be consistent with the Branch Davidian's statement.

Elaboration

Well you have to consider what was going on politically and societally at the time of Waco. FOPA was introduced in 1986, the War on Drugs is declared (which figured into this as the ATF told the Feds that the Branch Davidians were running a meth lab in order to gain additional resources), Ruby Ridge had happened, the ATF had just had their shit taken to the cleaners in congressional hearing for generating cases by fucking over citizens, the militia movement is gaining popularity as the government keeps fucking up, etc.

iirc the ATF was also in a position where they were gonna lose a bunch of funding as well.

So basically it came time that they needed an event to flex their muscles and come off the victor. I mean there are other conspiracies out there - but the most likely cause is that the ATF is a bunch of idiots. For example:

>FBI try to negotiate
>FBI promise no change in electricity/water access etc.
>ATF go and cut the lines etc.

Every time the FBI tried to make an effort the ATF fucked it up.

The man we're looking for is Lon Horiuchi.

MOLESTATION

The problem with the molestation charges comes with how they were gained. As per the report sent to the Deputy Attorney General:

Evidence #1 was an ATF affidavit containing hearsay an ATF agent gained from a former cult member

Evidence #2 was notes from an interview a CPS made when talking to a girl who's family was kicked out of the cult

Evidence #3 was hearsay from a former cult member

Evidence #4 was hearsay from a former cult member (related to evidence 3 member)

Evidence #5 is interesting - it was from the shrink who interviewed the kids when they were released - he said from what he gained, none of the kids were abused but may have been present when sexual things were talked about

Evidence #6 was from the FBI on the phone with a branch davidian - the FBI try to pressure the davidian into saying he was fucking 12 yr olds, but the davidian believed the youngest he fucked was a 14 yr old - said Davidian married a kid and claimed Koresh married them to cover his abuse

Evidence #7 was from a psychiatrist and he said that there was no way to resolve the situation at all and that Koresh was fucking kids - this is the only psychiatrist out of 8 who were consulted that suggested Koresh was fucking kids.

The conclusion at the end of the report is that there was no direct evidence establishing sexual abuse allegations, however it noted that there were circumstantial indications and the children were in a deteriorating living environment and the possibility of abuse would increase as the siege continued.

The vast majority of the evidence came from former cult members - the same members that false claimed Koresh had machine guns, .50 cal or larger weapons etc.

So realistically, what it would at least get is a warrant for Koresh, and the ability to allow CPS into the compound to do their own investigation. However that course of action was chosen against and a siege was carried out instead.

Some asian guy. It's rumored he's been around and of some service.

Other random facts:

youtube.com/watch?v=7iWqfUSKT0c
>supposed audio blasted at the Branch Davidians

ATF still went ahead with the assault after discovering that the Branch Davidians knew they were coming
>their assault plan was conceptualized around making it to the door before the Davidians knew they were coming and had a chance to arm

Tax fraud was never proven
Child abuse was never proven
>one of the people who said Koresh fucked a kid, was married to said kid, and said Koresh married them to cover up his escapades
Welfare fraud was never proven
Drug manufacturing was never proven
>one could even argue against it was considered as Koresh had called the government to clean up a meth lab ran by the original leader Roden

Lon Horiuchi, of Ruby Ridge fame, was present at the Waco siege
>Texas rangers alleged that he fired the first shots on the final day

The guy you're looking for is Lon Horiuchi. He is the FBI sniper involved in both atrocities.

"Long before the fire, the Davidians were discussing the evidence contained in the doors. During the siege, in a phone conversation with the FBI, Steve Schneider, one of Koresh's main confidants, told FBI agents that 'the evidence from the front door will clearly show how many bullets and what happened'." Houston attorney Dick DeGuerin, who went inside Mount Carmel during the siege, testified at the trial that protruding metal on the inside of the right-hand entry door made it clear that the bullet holes were made by incoming rounds. DeGuerin also testified that only the right-hand entry door had bullet holes, while the left-hand entry door was intact. The government presented the left-hand entry door at the trial, claiming that the right-hand entry door had been lost. The left-hand door contained numerous bullet holes made by both outgoing and incoming rounds. Texas Trooper Sgt. David Keys testified that he witnessed two men loading what could have been the missing door into a U-Haul van shortly after the siege had ended, but he did not see the object itself. Michael Caddell, the lead attorney for the Branch Davidians' wrongful death lawsuit explained, "The fact that the left-hand door is in the condition it's in tells you that the right-hand door was not consumed by the fire. It was lost on purpose by somebody." Caddell offered no evidence to support this allegation, which has never been proved. However, fire investigators stated that it was "extremely unlikely" that the steel right door could have suffered damage in the fire much greater than did the steel left door, and both doors would have been found together. The right door remains missing, and the entire site was under close supervision by law enforcement officials until the debris—including both doors—had been removed.[90]

Seems to me Levoy Finicum was shot down in an ambush while you were alive.
He was trying to get to a van to shelter an unarmed child who was trying to survive a barrage of lead.

Happy birthday Ritsu!

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God. RIP
the bastards would then call out to her over bullhorn even though she was lying dead in the fucking kitchen. Fucking awful.

Lon Horiuchi is the snipers name.

A full blood Japanese that acts like a white boy jock.

They also did shit like this - this is a Devtech 25 flashbang found at the point of origin of the 2nd fire. They used quite a bit more of these then they let on to.

Yup. CS gas is what they usually say they use. CS itself is a powder, that is mixed with methyline chloride (otherwise known as dichloromethane or DCM), which is important as it produces flammable vapours. A volume of 13% to 25% of DCM at 25*C (or 77*F) and atmospheric pressure can ignite easily.

>m278s and Bradley's
They gained access through the ATF filing a request due to the War on Drugs legislation that allows the FBI/ATF/anyone involved in an operation to request equipment, vehicles and training that is afforded to the military.

In essence its a way to deploy military equipment against civilians bypassing the legal structure preventing the use of the military against the civilians

Weak ass bait

I was already hip by then. C.J. Hadley did a fascinating interview on the National Intel Report fleshing out some history and realities of ranching in the area back then, which was really quite interesting for a city slicker like me.

Underrated.

Fuck you agent Cocksucker.

Randy was nearly bullied by an FBI undercover to make and sell him a just barely sawed off shotgun. The barrel was still legal length but the overall length put it less than an inch inside of the NFA.

The truth isn't totally hidden. The lawsuits the Weaver's and family friend won lay out the full scope of the Ruby Ridge atrocities.

Fuck Lon Horiuchi, Reno, and Clinton.
My condolences to the surviving Weavers.

Good job.
Research.
Draw your own conclusions.

Fuck you feds.
Remember ruby ridge.

not bait, just honesty. i was not there. the guy was making something, i cannot remember the specifics. this thread is not for me. later

not an agent and fuck you too

Be pussy was tight as fuck when I fucked her, ass too. Nips were rock hard throughout. I’d hit it again.

I get the well deserved hate, but just remember Lads, after Trump is elected to a second term, most of these deep state thugs will be replaced by Patriots and supporters of The Republic.

So you're just a statist bootlicking cunt?

You're here spreading lies that many of the the responses to your glow nigger post easily exposed.

Now all you got are your dickless and enraged insults.

So which is it? Are you just a cuck faggot sheep with no fucking ability to use a search engine, or are you a glowing faggot super duper fedfag agent trying to play stupid cuck games?

Well, there is a third option: You're a bullshit bottom feeder cop or security guard loser that think cops blowing away innocent women and children are cool.

Whichever, you're just a faggot bitch.

Trump is a Jew cucksucker. He's just got a professional wrestling shtick that dumb folks eat up.

People are catching on though. He overplayed it and delivered too little for too long. Then he started gun grabbing.

It's over.

This was an EXTREMELY SERIOUS error in judgement.

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Run glow nigger.

i got your shit mother fucker. keep talkin

Please be polite in this thread.
All parties.
This will be a civil discussion about causes and remedies within The Framework of The Constitution.

now i am not leaving and you just became a special project big mouth.

>special project
You're especially special, user.

Maybe don't use a memeflag?

HAHAHAHAHAH!!!!
Wow the fucking delusion with this Goy.
Actually thinks there are elections and not selections AND that he gets a say.
Good Goy GOOOOOOD GOOOOOOOOD Goy.

Thats what he gets for wearing this shirt

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Trump is a Selection.
So what.
It's /our/ turn.
The Pendulum Swings.
You would be wise to keep your head down until it swings back your way like /we/ did.

Of course you can't leave, your shift isn't up yet.

So, what are they serving at the Quantico cafeteria for lunch today?

Is it pizza?

i do not want to be in these discussions, i came to this thread to see what the picture was about. was this man completely innocent or was he making weapons? again, i was not there and most likely neither were the people that are here talking about it.. i see things from both sides and both sides had loss of life, correct? i specified that i was not familiar enough with this from the beginning. i think we can agree that loss of life could have been avoided?
i am not going to fight about all this because passions are high, i was not there and i will never know what happened other than what i can read from other people. it is unfortunate. i do not want to sit and fight about this or debate it for hours when i essentially have no fucking clue what happened. not interested in being on this thread any more. later (again)

Oh shit it's Ruby Ridge day?

>I didnt actually get to choose who runs the country
>Ill accept the fact that our govt and system has been usurped
>I am a GOOOD GOY
Yes, yes you are.

Ching Chong sniper man needs to be beheaded

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The nail that sticks up gets hammered down, American style. Funny considering this mindset and the fact that the sniper at both sites was Japanese American.

She didn’t deserve this. None of us do. I’ll say a prayer for her family today; I hope God took better care of them than their government did.

Then just walk the fuck away. What's so fucking hard about that?

The case went to both criminal and civil trial. The details are all out there to be found. So your ignorance is inexcusable, ESPECIALLY with you coming in here and talking shit about it.

So. Once again. You are either one of the stupidest fucks to ever wander the internet, or you are a federal agent that is in here trying to direct narratives.

The fact you can't just simply go the fuck away indicates the latter. You're stuck in here for some reason and the information and how it's going is more than your emotional faggot ass can handle. So you keep sticking your stubby little dick in it.

So, are you going to do your job and just watch us now? Because if your job was narratives, you really fucking suck at it.

anyone else find it funny that no one ever referred to the US as a REPUBLIC until Trump won an election where he received over 3,000,000 less votes?

oh bother

She looks like big titty ghost gf

Yeah, I hate it what people say for no reason". ,,, There's ALWAYS a reason. It may not be the 'reason' they like, but there always is one.

>a republic, if you can keep it
Fuck outta here.

He was very poor and hung out with WN people cause they were the only folks around to have a community with. FBI coerced him into sawing off the barrel of a shotgun (which he didn't want to do but later decided he needed the money for his family) then the FBI came and killed his son and wife for a crime they coerced him into.

>armed man might be in building
>send in sniper to shoot anything that moves

That's not how law enforcement works. That's murder.

This is the same basic trick they are using to arrest teens on these image boards today: encourage action, then bring the hammer down on the same action they are encouraging. Repulsive stuff and I hope they all rot in Hell.

Oh look, he called in some backup.

>Same sniper was at the Waco siege.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lon_Horiuchi

>accused of being a white supremacist.

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the reason was the atf wanted an informant and he told them no
they had a temper tantrum and killed his wife and son

Interesting.

The feds are very edgy about this. They sent in some pretty clumsy operatives today. What, are they outsourcing their entrapment and narrative work?

Trump has been seriously increasing the BATF budget ever since he swore in. But apparently competent people don't seem to work for them at any price. Must be their agency culture keeps any decent folks out.

Just a bunch of Reality Winners.

Huh. Strange world until you look closely at how it all works. Then it just becomes a dark comedy.

>was this man innocent or was he making weapons?
When 2A was instituted, we could "make"
a fully armed Man of War.
Look that up, please.
I will wait patiently.

>i believe before she was shot she was shooting at federal agents and hold up in a house for days with her husband who was definitely shooting at federal agents.
Utterly untrue.
You must glow.

The Federal marshals that were shot had been trespassing on their property, hidden in the woods wearing camo and no identification as to their being feds.

Weaver's son and a friend that was staying with them went out hunting that day, taking the family doggo with them. The dog sniffed out the feds and indicated their hiding spot, so the feds gunned down the dog.
Weaver's son was startled, fired back, hitting no one, and then ran. The feds shot him in the back.
By this time, weaver's friend had a lock on the fed's position, and fired back at them, killing one. He then ran back to the cabin.

thje so-called "siege" consisted of Weaver and his family huddling in their log cabin, while federal snipers tried to kill them. Weaver's friend was shot and wounded, and then Weaver's wife was murdered in cold blood. She had never fired a shot at anyone.

At first, Weaver did not know who was trying to kill them, as he HAD shown up for a hearing on his firearm charges, but the FEDS did not, so he decided it was over, and according to state law, he was right...with no one there to accuse him, he walks. (the firearm charges were clear entrapment, and the shotgun barrel he shortened was still within legal length, anyway, so the feds knew they would lose the case and THAT'S why they didn't show for the hearing)

He was not making bombs, he was not a threat to anyone, he was not a criminal, and his wife was not wanted for any crime at all, but they murdered her anyway. while she was holding her baby & unarmed.

It was cold-blooded murder.
And the murderer got a medal for it, from the Clinton administration.

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Reminder that the seige of ruby ridge is a good movie and is mostly accurate

if i'm not mistaken a fed told randy he'd pay him some money to saw off a gun barrel for him and handed him a shotgun marked at 17 3/4 inches

Um.
Well.
Yeah.
No one ever bothered to mention thos 3 mil votes were inactive voters, 1.5 mil of which have already been removed from the roles, and the other 1.5 mil under review.
Have a nice day.

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>anyone else find it funny that no one ever referred to the US as a REPUBLIC until Trump won an election where he received over 3,000,000 less votes?
Subtract the 8 million illegal votes and he wins the popular vote.

In any case, you're WRONG.
The U.S. has always been referred to as a Republic. It is not a straight democracy, as it is a union of 50 different states, and the more populated states would enslave the less populated states if it was a democracy.

It's almost like you've never recited the pledge of allegiance, before...

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Hallowed Ground.
Tread lightly fren.

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This is why I understand 100% where Timothy McVeigh was coming from. Her only regretted killing the children, but even then he was right when he said if the US military did this in another country it would just be "collateral damage".

Fuck the feds and any retard supporting red flag laws or giving them more power.