Why is bitcoin not at the center of the climate debate?

I doubt that is true but at least gold and silver can last.

Idiot.

Compelling argument.

The climate and biology are interchangeable.
Thank you for the wisdom.
I stand corrected.

Bitcoin can last longer.

Nah, you don't get to make this argument. You didn't invoke climate and physics in your first delivery, you don't get to do it now. The gravitational constant is abysmally tiny as well, and yet your fat hairy arse is stuck to that cum-stained chair in your mom's basement because of it. Going "ehh... that number is tiny, changing it won't make any difference whatsoever" is kindergarten-levels of stupid.

80% of all bitcoin mining comes from china.

I hope that is the dumbest thing you ever said.
What kind of existence would have bitcoin but no gold in the chips that mine it?

If governments thought for one min that climate change was real they would be attempting to genocide enti.... Oh nvm they are climate change is real everyone.

Its not a problem that BTC uses energy. actually it saves us a lot of CO2 by being more efficient technology compared to the traditional finance markets which use a lot more energy.

BTC is digital gold and its here to stay.

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imagine being such an envious loser that you ignore CARS to attack bitcoin

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a cold storage one

No one is ignoring cars
Tesla exists.
Why do we focus on car and not mining?
Why is mining of limits to the elite that preach this shit?

Based crypto cooking off the weak

Are you really asking or making a point

ETH's going PoS next year, right?
Alts have been hit pretty hard. BTC dominance is close to 70%, which is rather high relative to the past few years.
A growing number of people have bailed out of them completely, doubtful that there will be another altseason like the one in 2017 where a new website could pump a coin 400% in a day.
There probably will be another one, but it will be considerably more competitive.
I like what Stakenet's doing (pic related), otherwise I stick to BTC.

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Inefficiency of technology in general is a huge source of heat. Bitcoin mining is near nothing to the amount of heat from the sun or from the earths core

co2 is good for plants

I ain't buying your bags at 10k nigga, regardless of the amount of threads you start.

Making a point.
I smell fuckery.
Why has the EU not banned crypto mining?
Clearly they are taking profits over climate.
Why?

I’m not selling anything.
I’m pointing out a clear hypocrisy in a world full of it.
Not against bitcoin, just highlighting the bs.

>Clearly they are taking profits over climate.
>Why?
I suspect it's more about the cars. They want to limit peoples mobility. Cars provide a large degree of freedom, and you know how much (((they))) hate that

Because retards (so, leftists and most Jow Forums users too) can't into thermodynamics.
See this fucking retard, for example

CO2 and climate change explained in nutshell

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74% of Bitcoin mining is done with renewable energy.

Lol no

Just imagine this for a second.

This COIN is pixels. We are burning tangible fuels in nuclear and coal plants, harvesting their energy, and funneling them into a Box to make pixels on its projection screen show "2 bitcoins" instead of "1 bitcoin". Let that sink in for a second.

CO2 has been significantly higher than 400ppm in the past. Human CO2 toxicity is well above 400. You don't really start seeing side effects at all until about 2000ppm, and those are relatively minor.

Gold degrades overtime. Bitcoin doesn't. It's pretty simple, dude. As long as computers run, Bitcoin exists.

This has to be the biggest pile of shite I've read today, and seeing as I've read some Jow Forums in the last 20 minutes: that's saying something.

>CO2 has been significantly higher than 400ppm in the past.
Yes, but that wasn't the point the other moron raised.
>Human CO2 toxicity is well above 400. You don't really start seeing side effects at all until about 2000ppm, and those are relatively minor.
Same as above, wasn't the point that the other moron raised.

What is the oldest computer you own?

So just like money in your bank account except not completely made up by central bankers?

Central bankers are not attacking bitcoin for a reason.
Don’t be fooled

it's supposedly going to be hybrid with very little pos to start with q1 2020, but then full pos sometime in 2021, I know this has been pushed back 4/5 years from initial claims
I think the next bullrun wont be like the previous 2 with just individual investors, crypto could become a legitimate asset class now that custodial issues are being figured out and I could see some major funds putting a % or 2 in it
eu has high electrical costs
look at where they mine in china, up in tibet where the hydro capacity is

>Bitcoin can as long as computers run
>computers haven't existed for thousands of years so clearly we won't have them in the future

They're definitely a fad.

>BTC is digital gold and its here to stay.

lol yea ok its not gold you retard its just a stupid picture and numbers, nothing more. it could be called anything at all BTC is just a label and i do believe there is already bitcoin gold and bitcoin cash.... etc etc.. its a scam as is all digital currency. if the power stops it all goes away instantly...

Fixed supply. It's the antithesis to fractional reserve banking. Just because they aren't making a big show of it doesn't mean they aren't attacking it.

>Gold degrades overtime
Imagine waking up in the morning, going to the bathroom, and this mouth breathing faggot is looking back at you in the mirror.
Do you kill yourself?

Are you telling me it doesn't?

I don't care what the other moron said. CO2 levels can literally quadruple from right now with no ill effects to humans, and actually be more comfortable for plant life.

Wanna see Kevin O'Leary lie through his teeth?
Very bullish on BTC and knows exactly how it works and why it's valuable in 2013
youtube.com/watch?v=QYRIcD-LRKI
Doesn't know what it is in 2019
youtube.com/watch?v=SmjUvdJdlDM

It’s not a fixed supply.
Bitcoin can be fractionalized.
Is there a limit to how many coins can be made from one? Dunno

BTC is digital gold, its superior to the shiny rocks.
it has better traits.

>bitcoin gold and bitcoin cash
shitty fakes, there is only one King.

Right now it's set up for 100 million to one. The procotol allows for this to be changed in the future if needed, but it would require a hard fork.

Agriculture is the number 1 polluter across multiple factors including CO2, NO2, methane, acidification of oceans, freshwater consumption, desertification of 1/3 of land on earth, soil degradation, deforestation, the list goes on but you've all stopped reading

Apart from the fact that
a) the global carbon cycle might not perturb in our favour
b) certiain crops will see a significant decrease in nutritional values from elevated ambient CO2

Sure, you're right. It'll not cause any respiratory distress to healthy humans.

Fixed supply of 21 million. Breaking down one Bitcoin into more pieces isn't the same as inflation.

it'll actually cause crops to lose their nutritional value around 600ppm, so not really

Bitcoin is controlled or it would be illegal.
The ledger makes it the perfect way to track your every purchase.
What will you do when the authorities ask for you numbers?

Bitcoin also keeps all governments and banks held to account as well.

build molten salt reactors

lefties love bitcoin, thats why.

So switch to crops that don't have that problem. It'll be slow enough for us to do so.
Historical evidence of significantly higher and lower CO2 levels suggest that there isn't an instability point anywhere near where we are.

I wish that was true, but they would have made it illegal if they were threatened.
Something fishy about it all.
Just sayn

>banning crypto mining
That wouldn't solve our energy problems.
Wouldn't using more nuclear production be a more effective thing to do?

Climate change is real.
AGW is shadow banking power grab bullshit.

solid argument. genius detected.

I'm pretty sure ETH was talking about Casper back when I first started buying it in early 2017. When they do switch, it should finally give Proof of Stake some more public exposure.
One thing a lot of BTC maximalists fail to account for is how slow on-chain tx are. Whenever the network starts seeing a lot of activity and transactions start to take a couple hours to pull through, it becomes more convenient to just send Litecoin or ETH. Additional chains have helped to offset some of that heat.
Lightning Network is supposed to allow BTC to scale and handle a theoretically unlimited number of tx, but the way it was implemented was kinda stupid. There's next to no profit for routing LN payments.

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*blows up EMP*
nothing personnel kiddo

>Tesla exists.
most electricity used for Tesla is generated from coal. They even did a research on that.

>look at where they mine in china, up in tibet where the hydro capacity is
cryptos are banned in china you retard

Could be something to it, man. Who knows for sure. Despite what some people will tell you, Bitcoin can be shut down with a large enough effort. Mining operations are massive and easy to raid. However, it's a new technology and shutting down new tech often has the effect of allowing your competitors to outpace you.

Something like Monero is a bit trickery. The blockchain is private meaning nobody can trace the transactions and the mining can be done with malware. Monero is arguably the most resilient to being shutdown in that sense.

I think it's a psyops to make humanity realize at one point:
>either use 5x the worlds energy consumption to mine the last memecoins
>shut it down

>Is there a limit to how many coins can be made from one? Dunno
right now tx fee is about 1/20000 btc
even if btc can go to to 8 decimals, .0000001, it's not feasible to do so

also a single EMP would solve the bitcoin question

I think we agree climate change is just a scam and bitcoin helps to prove it.

LN is retarded and should be abandoned.

Once the power comes back on the network comes back with it. Also Boomer rocks aren't going to help in that situation either. You need food, water and weapons.

I don't think you understand how silicon chips and electric equipments work
agreed

now imagine all that muh renewable energy was used to replace the not so renewable energy most households run on instead of mining memes.
Looking forward to methAfee eating his dick on live tv.

user, not even China has been able to ban Bitcoin and they've tried at least 5 times.
Central banks, certain politicians, and Nobel-winning economists have become more hostile towards it, but they walk a razor thin line.
They wouldn't be able to shutdown Bitcoin if they tried. They can only punish people for using it and force them to continue using the hyper-inflationary debt-driven currency model that's robbed the world of it's wealth for generations.

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>a single EMP
A single EMP powerful enough to destroy all computers on earth? Nothing short of a solar flare can cause that, and solar flares only affect the side of the earth exposed to the sun.
What you're describing cannot happen, and even if it did it would result in total societal collapse as every electrical device stopped working. You'd have far bigger problems then not being able to access your crypto wallet...

ultimately I think there's a max number of halvenings that can happen, without the network losing security or speed, maybe I'm wrong and it will go to 1 million usd/btc, but I think the 2025 or 2030 halvening will harm the network
where do you think they mine it then?

EMPs don't wipe harddrives, jackass. Are you saying once an EMP happens humans just give up on rebuilding things?

The power it takes to mine bitcoin per year is greater than the power produced in all of Poland per year.

b...b...but who should I give money to?

Also an EMP realistically wouldn't fry every computer / device. Only electrical transformers and devices very close to the EMP would actually be destroyed, and everything else would then shut down due to the power grid failing.
So yeah, once power is restored most computers would turn back on and work just fine.

LN needs a killer app. I think Stakenet will finally make it worthwhile when it launches it's DEX.

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>If CO2 is really the climate killer then Bitcoin would be enemy #1?
From the viewpoint leftists NPCs yes. However, bitcoin mostly uses energy that is low utility. According to this research twitter.com/C_Bendiksen/status/1068221424777814016 bitcoin is already powered by 78% renewables. Many mining farms use hydropower / nuclear. Regarding the CO2 meme, there is no way to prove how much carbon dioxide bitcoin produces. It is impossible to go around to every single mining farm in the world and determine what power source they are using. Even estimating the energy consumption of bitcoin is also extremely difficult. With this research by done by cambridge --> cbeci.org/methodology/ they estimated the theoretical lower bound for bitcoin = 26.51TWh and upper bound = 131.TWh. That is a 105TWh difference between how little and how much bitcoin could be consuming, no one has any clue how much energy bitcoin is really using. I would be impressed if the climate jews were able to win against bitcoin.

SJWs are going to keep making bitcoin look as bad as possible by saying
>"Bitcoin uses as much electricity as entire countries such as Iceland!"
or
>Bitcoin uses as much as 1.7 million average American homes!

Whereas you could just as easily make bitcoin energy consumption look small
>Bitcoin uses only a half of the output of the Three Gorges Dam (90 TWh/yr)
>The amount of electricity consumed every year by always-on but inactive home devices in the USA alone could power bitcoin for 3.4years

top tier energy consumption analysis done in 2018
blog.zorinaq.com/bitcoin-electricity-consumption/

Here is probably most accurate current energy consumption index
cbeci.org/

good article
unchained-capital.com/blog/bitcoin-does-not-waste-energy/

>It’s almost like bitcoin was designed to convert our climate into profit, and no one says shit.
kys OP fag.

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LN effectively destroys the economic incentives of mining and thus the security of the network.

In my opinion, he's right. You are an idiot.

that's why jihan launched bch

>the economic incentives of mining
Don't most miners nowadays get the majority of their profit from transaction fees anyway?

Sorry to fag on you, but something is fucked here.
If bitcoin is freedom from fiat gov currency, then why are they protecting it? Climate change would be their excuse.
Just checking to see if the dick is in your mouth without you knowing.

Dont worry we will be mining with Arc Reactors soon.

They don't yet, but if this thing is going to continue they'll need to. The next halving will kill hashrate on BTC unless price is much higher by that time.

They're not protecting it, they're just powerless to stop it and there's no point going into a battle you can't win.

Equally insightful.