>Conservative party didn't have a majority and had to bribe the DUP to form a government
>Majority of people against no deal from several polls
>Boris Johnson became Prime Minister from votes from the conservative party only (they suspended new members from joining until after the vote)
>He then shuts down parliament
Why are Brits celebrating having no democracy? Wasn't your issue with the EU that it was undemocratic? How is this not 100 times worse?
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Everyone's now fine with no democracy so long as it's their side that's benefitting. We've crossed the Rubicon
>Why are Brits celebrating having no democracy?
We had to deal with May actively working against democracy for 3 years. Fuck off, Merkel.
Leave means leave.
>Majority of people against no deal
Source please
Parliament gets shut down regularly, it's literally standard procedure every 8-9 months or so to shut down parliament for about 2 weeks, which he is doing.
Besides, it's the EU loving cunts that have been in charge of negotiations all this time, doing everything they can to keep us inside the EU against the wishes of the people. Shutting down parliament means that these remainer MPs can go fuck themselves and not damage the UK any more for at least 2 weeks.
Also, you're a cunt.
Fuck Europe and fuck Rome. Western values my ass. America is more important than the old world.
>democracy
You keep using this word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
>to shut down parliament for about 2 weeks, which he is doing.
It's gonna be shut down for 5 weeks lmao
>>Boris Johnson became Prime Minister from votes from the conservative party only
that's entirely normal for parliamentary systems in places like the UK, Australia, Canada, etc...
>it's literally standard procedure every 8-9 months or so to shut down parliament for about 2 weeks
It's actually standard for 6-7 days. And he's going for a month. Can you even count?
>How is this not 100 times worse?
it's not being done by krauts
>America is more important
let me see:
>feeding niggers
>importing spics
>bombing arabs for money, which goes to the previous 2
>no national identity, just corporations
great values muh dude.
Why does he purposely look like disheveled idiot all the time? We know he isn't, what sort of fucked up angle of a game is this?
He shut down parliament, not the brexit movement. He's doing what the people voted for (democracy) not what the parliament will vote for (bureaucracy).
Nearlly, but not quite. Normally, the voters who support a particular party decide elections. In this case, only party members did.
Democracy is cringe and bluepilled
Get with the program you gay continental
It's also been the longest session of parliament in nearly 400 years, by a long shot. As far as I'm concerned, a 5 week break is even better.
Incidentally, do you also complain when the EU parliament goes into month(s) long recess? It's no different.
>Muh democracy
Democracy is for cucks and faggots. Like you.
>what is pragmatism?
Stop being an autistic yank
You act like (((democracy))) is a good thing.
The party elects the leader, not the general public.
Cute, you're never going to leave, you're here forever.
>It's no different.
It's obviously a play to take parliament out of the equation before the leave date of 31st Oct. retard
>He's doing what the people voted for
The referendum question was:
>Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?
>a) Remain a member of the European Union
>b) Leave the European Union
Can you point to the section of either the question or possible answers by which people voted to have no-deal shoved up their collective arseholes?
Fuck remainers, if this is what Britain has to do in order to leave the EU, then so be it.
Democracy is a meme, Bojo just got tired of Remaincuck games and memed it to his advantage. PROROGATION nigga.
But then the leave side loses the moral high ground, before they could claim they were supporting democracy, not anymore.
Don’t forget it’s not legally binding either
Yes. And if the party of government no longer has faith in its elected leader, it goes to the country for a general election. The current shitshow has gone through three leaders without bothering the electorate.
I can't believe UK is exiting for real from this nightmare. I don't really like bongs, but my best wishes for you, I will open a beer in your honor if you are successful
>But then the leave side loses the moral high ground, before they could claim they were supporting democracy, not anymore.
Democracy is delivering Brexit. Fucking kill yourself youre no better than those anti-British MPs having sabotaged the process for 3 years
What part said you were going to be cucked for three years paying the EU and taking in migrants but without any benefits? Leave means leave. Death to the EU.
There isn't a place on Earth that has an actual democracy. Western countries are referred to by media outlets and idiots as democracies, but what we actually have is variations of parliamentary systems controlled by bankers and special interests groups, both of whom purchase politicians to push whatever agendas suit at that particular time.
If there actually WAS legitimate democracy, the referendum that was held to decide if Great Britain should leave the European Union of Socialist Republics would have been properly observed and considered as legally binding as a law from Parliament.
Meanwhile EUSR shills understand that they just lost their corrupt government's cash cow, which will of course mean that taxes in that shithole will increase to compensate until such a time as the Union finally collapses under its own weight and that pack of Jews in the EUSR parliament might actually have to get real jobs for the first time in their lives.
It's not unless a majority voted to leave with no deal, or a majority voted for either the conservatives or Boris, which they didn't.
The people voted. Get bent and keep whining
He learned it from drumpf
Like the Left has any moral high ground to begin with, they don't. In fact, The Left-Wingers are big hypocrites. And also, if you think the Left plays by the rules, then you have got to be crazy.
For what, to leave the EU? Only England and Wales. But okay, the UK as a whole voted to leave (Only England mattered though because of its huge size compared to the rest) they didn't vote to leave the EU with no deal. They didn't vote for a hard border in Ireland.
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That was already explained pre-referendum. All of the downsides of withdrawal, including the necessarily protracted timetable were made quite clear. Unfortunately, the right wing press dismissed all such talk as 'project fear'.
Get a load of this seething paki
I'm all for it my dude
He right though. They said it was ''project fear'' when people were talking about a hard exit. They said the EU would come crawling on its knees for a deal. They said the UK held all the cards. Just lmao.
Peace.
Show flag.
Listen krautkike even if it takes firebombing Dresden again we're fucking leaving. Get it?
Show your true flag, Schlomo.
Good effort, mate. Seriously. Your one contribution to a thread on the greatest political crisis in this country since the second world war is to call me a paki because you don't like what I'm saying.
Take a fucking lap of honour.
I'm so sick of those globalist cunts. I'm so happy for you rosbif-bro
>if the party of government no longer has faith in its elected leader, it goes to the country for a general election
No you retard, it's if the parliament as a whole no longer has confidence in the PM. That's what a vote of no confidence is. You don't think the ruling party is going to call an election over internal power struggles?
Hmm, you're over thinking it, we voted to leave. Therefore the default position is to leave without a deal. It's really quite simple.
We're not America, we don't vote for individual PMs. We elect parties based on manifestos.
this is what happens when a government collapses. this is what a civil emergency transfer of power looks like.
C'mon Britbong frens, leave the EU, I know you can do it. Whether its a No-Deal Brexit or a Deal Brexit, just leave the EU.
>muh polling
Why even have elections, just let the """pollsters""" run things
>You don't think the ruling party is going to call an election over internal power struggles?
Yes. If the party of government cannot legitimately command a majority of the house, then they go back to the country. See for example Heath and Wilson.
>several ((( polls )))
jew.
sage.
It's almost certainly gonna be no deal now. Which was always the best possible outcome. Why the fuck should we pay billions to leave after they've been bleeding us dry for decades already? If anything they should be paying US our money back.
>Therefore the default position is to leave without a deal
I remember being promised 'sunlit uplands'. That doesn't sound much like no-deal to me.
Could you point me to any referendum literature which promised or even hinted at no deal as the default position?
A deal was never the topic.
The topic is an EXIT.
Can they pay with their blood ?
>If anything they should be paying US our money back.
I think you'll find they have been since 1985.
>hinted at no deal as the default position
We are legally bound to leave on the 31st October, this is proof enough that no-deal is the default position. The parliament made and signed into law Article 50. And honestly, I don't care what the sunny uplands meant to you, it's of no importance.
>Why are Brits celebrating having no democracy?
this coming from the most corrupt political entity in modern history, the EU.
Fuck the EU and fuck jannies
>It's not unless a majority voted to leave with no deal,
A majority voted to leave, there was never any talk of a deal.
A deal is just brexit light for the pro EU fuckers who hate democracy and dont respect the vote which Cameron said would be a one-of-a-kind vote, now all of a sudden you retards pretend he never said it because you're fucked in the head.
Piss off retard, nobody likes you.
> I can't believe UK is exiting for real from this nightmare. I don't really like bongs, but my best wishes for you, I will open a beer in your honor if you are successful
Nothing will change though. UK will be even more Muslim and black with time.
>Nothing will change though.
Then i guess you pro EU faggots have nothing to fear or whine about.
Eurasian man, give us your energy, be positive
People voted to leave - with or without a deal.
Remain MPs have spent three years attempting to prevent the vote from being honoured. The only way that it is conceptually possible for them to honour the referendum result would have been for them to do nothing, and proroguing parliament ensures that they have no choice in the matter.
The idea that this is somehow undemocratic is pretty laughable coming from people whose sole purpose in life is to ensure a democratic referendum overturned. Parliamentary democracy is simply a form of delegation - the power and authority of an MP is derived directly from and delegated by the people of the nation. If a middle manager in a company acts against the direction of their CEO, they are stepping outside the limits of their authority. In the same way, it is utterly undemocratic for MPs in parliament to act against the direction given to them by the people in a referendum, and by proroguing parliament the government is ensuring that democracy in this country is protected.
Also your perspective is so blinkered that you have missed the fact that this is merely a method of simultaneously applying pressure to the EU to come to a sensible compromise and relieving any pressure that the EU thinks it can exert, as until now it has had a reliable fifth column of remain MPs in Parliament who have ensured that the UK's efforts to negotiate have been thoroughly undermined every step of the way because a united front has not been presented (i.e. the most basic and fundamental compnent of good negotiation is absent). With parliament suspended, it can no longer rely on these quislings to thwart the government's efforts from within.
>We are legally bound to leave on the 31st October,
Goodness, it almost seems like you seem determined to declare anything with which you agree as legally binding, and anything with which you disagree as worthless. Do try to remember that the referendum was advisory. So any votes in parliament specifying particular dates of leaving are, in a sense, what our American cousins like to call 'fruits of the poisoned tree'.
>this is proof enough that no-deal is the default position
No, this is proof that political expediency has got us into a position where a weak Prime Minister was forced to concede an exit date, which, when it inevitably couldn't be met, was extended to October 31 with the generous consent of our European partners. At no point in any of this shambolic manoeuvring was anything other than an orderly exit with a deal the goal. And if you would like to show me any referendum campaign literature from either Vote Leave or Leave.EU which specified that no deal would be the default position, then please do so.
>People voted to leave - with or without a deal.
>Remain MPs have spent three years attempting to prevent the vote from being honoured.
There was a deal, if you recall. And that deal was rejected not by opposition MPs, but by Parliament. The ERG torpedoed the deal. Could you explain please how the hardest hardcore of leavers rejecting a deal means that the country as a whole has to accept no deal?
Stay salty, cunt.
And if you would like to show me any referendum campaign literature from either Vote Leave or Leave.EU which specified that a deal would be the default position, then please do so.
tldr: Leave lost, they're just gonna have to learn to cope.
hmm
>Leave lost, they're just gonna have to learn to cope.
I'm beginning to suspect that you have a less than total mastery of the facts.
Ah yeah, brain freeze, my bad.
A "deal" is Remoaner sleight of hand to overturn Brexit.
We voted for no deal when we voted for Brexit.
Because, as I have already explained, the people voted to leave - with or without a deal. People did not vote "leave with a deal", just "leave". Therefore, leaving without a deal fulfils the obligation imposed by that referendum to the exact same extent (that is fully) as leaving with a deal. However, when the so-called "deal" in question a) contains a mechanism that has the potential (and evident likelihood) of keeping Britain within the EU indefinitely b) involves giving up huge sums of money and receiving nothing in return, MPs are within their rights to reject it and instead open the way for leaving without a deal, should the EU choose to refuse to negotiate further - which, by the way, they won't.
Also, please do not waste your time in your inevitable reply talking about how the referendum was "advisory" and therefore can be ignored. It was advisory EXCLUSIVELY in the sense that Parliament by definition cannot technically be bound to a course of action, purely as a matter of constitutional law, and therefore any referendum or even parliamentary vote pertaining to a future course of action is by definition advisory. Big fucking deal.
It is high time for me to put an end to your sitting in this place, which you have dishonoured by your contempt of all virtue, and defiled by your practice of every vice; ye are a factious crew, and enemies to all good government; ye are a pack of mercenary wretches, and would like Esau sell your country for a mess of pottage, and like Judas betray your God for a few pieces of money.
Is there a single virtue now remaining amongst you? Is there one vice you do not possess? Ye have no more religion than my horse; gold is your God; which of you have not barter'd your conscience for bribes? Is there a man amongst you that has the least care for the good of the Commonwealth?
Ye sordid prostitutes have you not defil'd this sacred place, and turn'd the Lord's temple into a den of thieves, by your immoral principles and wicked practices? Ye are grown intolerably odious to the whole nation; you were deputed here by the people to get grievances redress'd, are yourselves gone! So! Take away that shining bauble there, and lock up the doors. In the name of God, go!
Oliver Cromwell – April 20, 1653
Because, as I have already explained, the people voted to leave - with or without a deal. People did not vote "leave with a deal", just "leave". Therefore, leaving without a deal fulfils the obligation imposed by that referendum to the exact same extent (that is fully) as leaving with a deal. However, when the so-called "deal" in question a) contains a mechanism that has the potential (and evident likelihood) of keeping Britain within the EU indefinitely b) involves giving up huge sums of money and receiving nothing in return, MPs are within their rights to reject it and instead open the way for leaving without a deal, should the EU choose to refuse to negotiate further - which, by the way, come the 11th hour they won't.
Also, please do not waste your time in your inevitable reply talking about how the referendum was "advisory" and therefore can be ignored. It was advisory EXCLUSIVELY in the sense that Parliament by definition cannot technically be bound to a course of action, purely as a matter of constitutional law, and therefore any referendum or even parliamentary vote pertaining to a future course of action is by definition advisory. Big fucking deal.
Boris is a cheecky dodger. I wouldnt trust him. The Queen should reinstate monarchy and save the white people of the UK.
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We’re leaving. To say there’s no mandate for a particular kind of leaving is to say there’s no mandate for any particular kind of leaving, because it never said anything about a deal on the ballot.
Nah.
The mps that tried to thwart brexit forget that they’re their to do what the people want.
In this case it’s brexit. If they can’t deliver a deal, then WTO is the fallback.
Only if you don’t count the last general election.
If the EU wants a hard border in Ireland, they can erect one. That’s on them.
BORIS IS BASED
Fuck democracy.
Really.
>Undemocratic.
It's better because it's a sovereign nation's internal affair.
Fuck you (((Brussels faggot)))
Who cares, as long as the libs are crying on twitter. Gotta own the libs at all costs. This is unironically the state of politics since like 2015.
And what does this mean exactly? How does this make my life better? Are we switching to a direct democracy where all laws have to be approved by the public then?
Based
So what
some of you wops are ok, I'm gonna have a microwave lasagne
lel, you talk like a fag
Democracy means rule of the people.
The people want Brexit. Anything that makes it happen is democracy and anything that opposes it is something else (oligarchy).