Is there even a good argument AGAINST an ethno state...

Why can't we just have one fucking place to ourselves?
Like Alaska or something
It's fucking bullshit!

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Human Rights means Access to White People
just so you know

No. I honestly don't know how you can live like this.

We will leafbro, it is inevitable. PNW is looking like an option, I think there’s some north European groups too. Hopefully something serious pops up in Aus. And then whichever one gains the most traction the fastest, we ALL need to fucking go there ASAP. Racially aware whites are spread WAY too thin.

Yeah, this is a tough racial pill to swallow, but so undeniable by now.

Not really no. One thing that continually boggles my mind is why so few ethnonationalists support Jewish ethnonationalism. End the diaspora, deport all Jews to Israel, that would be the most pragmatic political solution to the Jewish Question.

>Muh merritocracy

Which is immediately set-aside once it has the wedge in the gate, and is replaced by

>muh poor niggers

Yes freedom and democracy for everyone

The only people who will argue against it are globalists and the dirty kikes, whom seek to benefit from a dumbed down and animus driven population...

Only that it would usually mean displacing people who may have lived in a place for many generations to make room for someone else.

Anglos have the worst cuisine in the world yet they want an ethnostate. LMAO.

It's the humane alternative to ethnic violence and extinction by hybridization.

Freedom and democracy go hand in Hand with only white countrys tho
Take a look at history

This.

Moving isn’t that hard. I’m willing to do it, they can too

I agree, but OP asks for the argument, and that's what it is. Someone who believes that would say that doesn't real and that they shouldn't have to move since nobody has any more right to land they were born on than anyone else who was also born there anyway. Importantly it isn't an argument against an ethnostate, just that the cost of establishing one can't be justified.

Right, so you were playing devils advocate. I guess that is the materialistic argument against it. (((Cost))) as a reason to race mix whites out of existence doesn’t hold any weight with me, but I see what you mean.

Shut the fuck up you subhuman paki

>you should base your nation on FOOD
Literally a nigger.

The ultimate conclusion of such a viewpoint would be, why are there borders at all? That is an unjust violation of the right to travel and live in any country one pleases. After all, we are all human, there's no justification for excluding people from living or travelling somewhere just because of a circumstance of birth. It would abolish the concept of nationality, citizenship, the sovereign state and would pave the way for an argument of world government. Some of these national deconstructionists want precisely that, but you might be able to convince conservatives that deportation and repatriation of people who were born in one land, but whose national heritage is another land, is humane and just.

Well some people do have more right to a land others were born on and that is the people who wield the Might.
That's how we first claimed all our lands.

>Surely they would also like their own space?
Some of them do, and in my view, it's best if we can cultivate that belief as much as possible. I do.

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Allow me to play devil's advocate.
>Wanting to live separately from minorities is racist because it is implying that their presence is a detriment by virtue of them being non-white

>Cheap labor and the jobs that no one else will do.
There is a kernel of truth here, seeing as nobody I know is willing to work in a field in the summer heat for $7/hr, maybe less. Not to mention many of the easier jobs out there, like a food worker, or supermarket employee.

>There is no ethical way to establish an ethnostate without harming minorities
Because they are already here, what are you going to do with them? Are you really going to just exterminate them or displace them en masse? Don't think that's gonna fly with 9/10 people

>Nonwhites have been here two, three, maybe more generations now. This is their home! They have just as much of a right to it as you do, maybe more

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Mosley was a cuck though. Sorry to be this blunt but it's true. The Anglo's urge to be "civilized" rather than get things done leads to half assed compromises which is deadly when fighting (((cancer))).
And no, there is no argument against an ethnostate from a white POV. Only jews and non whites disagree for obvious reasons.

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Oh I agree, 100%. Racial nationalism among other races is to be encouraged, especially if it leads to balkanisation

This is why pragmatic minds on the right have been memeing repatriation over a few decades and miscegenation controls as a politically viable and moral position. As I like to say, the distance to their homeland is the same as the distance here. If they were able to migrate here and it wasn't immoral, then remigration isn't either.

Freedom for non whites in white spaces means slavery for whites.

An English break fast is the BEST way to start your day.

we managed to do all our jobs in the past. "Jobs no one else wants to do" is full of shit, not a kernel of truth. And certainly no reason to sacrifice a homogeneous future for your children so some spic will pic avocados.

Because people have friends that are non white, you really think they could kick their non white friends out of the country?

This x 1000

Yeah, but we could argue

Are you implying that non-whites need to live among whites to prosper? That’s devaluing non-whites. They would flourish on their own without evil nazis oppressing then, obviously.

No whites should be above working any job that needs to be done.

We are willing to move, they can too. Moving isn’t that hard

Friends move away from each other all the time due to circumstance. This will be just another circumstance

Nope. Censorship is their only response.

Based.

I’m sorry my grandparents fought against you, but you should have picked einen besser Freund als the Japanese.

"“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie."

Guess who said that, and now compare that quote to slogans like: "Diversity is our strength" and "immigrants do the jobs Americans don't want" and "We need to stop global warming or else we'll all be extinct in 10 years."

Why not Fascism for everyone?

ROAST BEEF

Why not maximize diversity by letting groups choose their own political systems?

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It's inhumane to deny brown people acess to the things that white people built. Only a racism would tell the brown people to build their own stuff.

The solution to the economic concerns you addressed is doing away with liberal capitalism and embracing National Socialism.
You start gently until you control the government and than you begin to clamp down on your enemies step by step.
The only thing that is standing in the way of this is you being too much of a faggot to believe in what is necessary or being non white.

Globalism is more effective in every possible way, no peaceful way to create said states, people would never agree to them. No one actually wants them except for spergs on Jow Forums.

This right fucking here...Jews dont need to worry about "nazis" or anyother outside influence.

By their own actions, we will natural begin to understand and to hate them...

You can only shit all over anothers accomplishments so many times before they get tired of your subversion...

This. Every race has a right to self determination. Let each race have their own space and their own future

We proposed alliances to Britain and Hitler was fond of some Americans like Ford and Lindbergh as they were fond of him. There was a huge pro German movement in the US that got violently suppressed by your ZOG goverment, same goes for the UK.
We had to pick who was left. No insult to our Japanese friends here, but that is how it was.

Exactly bro. National socialism is the natural way of the white man. We need the ethnostate first though.

What a dumb motherfucker...He we are talking about the scourge of humanity and possible solutions. And this motherfucker talks about food... Fucking pathetic

Kike detected

"People" don't have opinions. They believe what you hammer into their heads everyday i.e. FOX news and CNN. People don't want shit.

How can an ethnostate even come about? All topics are practically censored and not allowed, while POC are flooding into our communities.

I hate to come across as an optimistic fag, but it’s just destiny bro. It will happen.
The PNW in America is looking like the go, but there’s also groups in Europe and Australia. Move to one of them, build communities from the ground up. It actually is that simple to start

Niggers will never survive without the white man.

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No Pearl Harbor, no US intervention in WWII.

When you observed how your ally was behaving in China you finally got a window into how psycho and cruel they were. You betrayed the Chinese for a fruitless alliance. They couldn’t even bro up with you to double prong the Bolshevik scum. This alliance gained you nichts.

The anti-war patriot movement evaporated the moment the Japanese pulled that nigger zerg attack on us.

The real answer will get shrill harpies on my ass. The answer is good optics. Everyone who shits on optics wants national socialism to remain the most stigmatized, unpopular meme possible, associated in the public mind with gas chambers and skinheads. Gentlemen in suits and ties such as you would find as Scandza Forum are more popular among normies than any amount of GAS THE KIKES RACE WAR NOW has since the war ended.

Pearl Harbor was manufactured by the American government.

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The current system can not last, it will be an unfun end. But the phoenix rises from the ashes.

What do you mean? As I understand the events, the US provoked the Japanese and then let their navy hit Pearl Harbor after they intercepted Japanese notices of the attack. So it was more like, let it happen because we can use the moment to convince the public to go to war, than a true false flag.

Yeah, I agree.
Skinheads and Nazi uniforms accomplish nothing. Building white communities is everything. Normies will come once a core group establishes a community and a movement, decentralised and in a big enough area they can hide in.
Europe or North America or possibly Australia, although the last could be wishful thinking on my part

Roosevelt planned to isolate Germany and it's allies from 1937 onward and to "quarantine" authoritarian states. The embargos imposed on Japan by the US would have let to a total collapse of the Japanese Empire, it was a calculated provocation. And there are rumors that Roosevelt knew of the planned attack but did not act. Think of the Lusitania, Gulf of Tonkin and 9/11. This fits right in. Besides, the US was supporting Germany's enemies well before Pearl Harbor via credits and war supplies while blocking Germany from any access to the same favors.

I wish more people could see that.

Yes, they set it up and then let it happen. The American public is a herd of sheep who imagine themselves free.

The White Australia policy lasted until the 70s, no? That's longer than here.

They will

Yeah, but it’s gone downhill quickly here. There’s some groups here trying to get stuff done, but they aren’t separatist enough. Taking back whole countries like Australia or the states doesn’t seem possible to me, because while the non-whites could pack up and move ACROSS the country without too much drama (id do this tomorrow if a white ethnostate was formed in aus) getting them OUT of the country seems impossible.

Nationalists simply refuse to adapt to the new era. The left and the Jews got into power through subversion. Much of it was secret, and they scratched each others backs enough until they acquired full spectrum dominance over the Overton Window. Nationalists need to do the same. This implies of course that some nationalists will have to make compromises and lie to the electorate about their intentions, and spergy individuals on the right will purity spiral and claim that anyone who isn't outright genocidal or whatever is a shill.

This is such a sad world.

I liked Napoleon too, and he lost. It’s like the good guys haven’t really been winning for a long time.

At least we dealt the killing blow to the Bolsheviks. Do burgers at least get credit for that?

I really don't see this coming about thru elections. It doesn't have be be genocide, but that doesn't mean there wont be fighting and some sort of collapse of the current regime.

I didn't say elections. I said subversion. Nationalists need to be in the churches, social clubs, NGOs, hospitals, especially the media, run printing presses, govt bureaucracy, academia. Just because you don't think it will ultimately come about purely politically doesn't mean we don't need populist politicians pushing the Overton Window rightwards.

i used to be against ethnostates because i knew good black people in high school and i didn't want to kick them back to africa but nowadays i'm 100% sure ethnostates are the only way to make the world better, a world with real peace, i don't give a damn if i have to send them myself and they hate because of it because it's the best for all of us

Definitely this. But there will be local politics involved. We just need to concentrate our efforts.

But people would be more free in their own lands. If there is a nation of only blacks or whites or asians there wouldn't be any racial tensions.

I have two mulatto cousins and three castizo cousins and I'm an ethnonationalist. I care about them, but the reality of the world is that people move all the time for less noble reasons like economic opportunity, so finding a niche for my relatives in, say, Liberia and Dominica would be no problem. I think once we gain control over our nations, or perhaps just locally/regionally, big problems should be dealt with first, small problems secondly. Full repatriation and restoration of the old order could occur over a few decades without hurting anyone's feelings.

>i used to be against ethnostates because i knew good black people in high school

This is pretty much the extent of most white anti-ethnostate peoples' reasoning.

No. What happened is that you became the new host of the Bolsheviks. See Neoconservatives/Neoliberals. Those are jews that realized, after Stalin expelled them, that an authoritarian system that shows it auhtority open to the goyim does not serve them well since they will have to show their face as well as leaders of the goyim, which means when public pressure get's out of control the heads of the chosen ones will roll.
Therefore they decided to create a liberal muttopia in the US that is so divided in race and ideas but prosperous in corn syrup and porn to be able to rule from behind the curtains forever. This plan is being executed right now and has been for 60 years now.

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Yeah. They’ll come up with a bunch of arguments but what they mean is “I’m scared to appear racist to my non-white friends”

You know what will push the overton window? Increased instability. More black riots. I feel like the 1960s were the closest we've been recently to solving this issue.

If bubba would have run over some of those BLM protesters back when they were blocking freeways that may have gotten the ball rolling.

I needed a pat on the back und Sie haben mich mehr traurig gemacht.

Can we find nothing but doom and gloom in this forsaken timeline? Cancer cure, Iran’s development of nuclear weapons, an implosion of the (((central banking system)))?

I would give nukes to Iran if they promise to use them on Israel though.
You have to hit the bottom of the red and black pill, only then you can be truly free.

Well yeah. The problem is that there are very few places in the world where place and race are 1:1. Establishing an ethnostate in most nations would involve subjugating and then either banishing or slaughtering those who fall outside the would-be ethnostate's preferred identity. Which is a problem, because national borders don't always correspond to identity in as clean a way as some people might think.

This is a daunting concept even in the "easy" scenario of having a sparse border region or two of the "incorrect" heritage. For example, the shitshow in Myanmar. No, what's more likely is to have several groups dispersed throughout your population, tightly bound into your largest urban centers, and as a result extremely difficult to tear from your society without causing damage to the nation as a whole. Protip: People who aren't of an ethnostate's preferred ethnicity tend to dislike the ethnostate, since the ethnostate will seek to diminish them. Whether that just means economic damage, moderate terrorism and insurgency, or a larger civil war really depends on the situation.

I'm against it because it seems a bit counterproductive. My doctor's Pakistani, my maids are Mexican, the franchisee of the local 7-11s is Indian, and so on. Tearing people who are personally useful to me, and on a larger scale America as a whole, out of the country would be... inefficient at best.

Global system collapse SOON, make no mistake, but we'll be fine. Net food exporter, net energy exporter, natural defenses, that sort of thing? We'll be okay when the world falls apart.

The world won't fall apart. Europeans just will be gone and our story will end. If we don't stop it.
Indians and Chinese can maintain some white achievements while the rest of the world will starve to death until they reach their natural size again. While jews live safely in greater Israel.

if its asian or white then there's no complaints

Um, this will lead to white extinction, and we don’t want that. We already established that yours was the common argument against the ethnostate, but you seem to actually think white genocide is preferable because putting a stop to would be “inefficient”. And it that’s the case, fuck off.

You raise good points. I would enact certain miscegenation controls in a very implicit manner, and then begin repatriation through a system of carrots and sticks, to minimize political opposition and chaos. Assuming that you had control over the political future of the country, you could permit certain groups to live in certain regions, marry within themselves, and acquire resources, while you strengthen their ties to their homelands through a subversive 'multicultural' policy, then give them, like 10 or 20 years to self deport.

the kraut knows what's up

>Is there even a good argument AGAINST an ethno state? It seems we would all be so much better off if every race had their own place.
Sub classification spiraling based on X trait, then X and Y traits, then X, Y, and Z traits, and so on.

There are more whites than just shitty anglos though

So lock the door

Yet you live in their country.
Go back shitskin

First we need a house

Not to put too fine a point on it, but you're fucked. I mean Europe, but also Germany specifically. There's not really any way to come back from THIS shit, after all. It takes the better part of two decades to get people into prime fighting/spending age, so even if you all started fucking each other's brains out tomorrow, you'd still be doomed to a continent-wide Japan. Not that it's just an Europe problem, but I don't worry too hard about China's oncoming population trouble or dropping birthrates in other areas.

There's a reason Europe's been chugging down immigrant/refugees faster than even Burgerstan could absorb: to try and plug the gap. Didn't work out the way they thought it would, but that's what desperation does to leaders, I suppose.

Also, Russia's got like 5 years on the population clock before they don't have a military of any real size, so watch out for any last-minute fuckery on their part.

I think you strongly misunderstand how bad the rest of the planet will get in that timeframe. Building cultural ties with Africa and East Asia won't encourage people to leave, it'll provide American voting blocs with an incentive to elect candidates willing to let "their" kin in. Which wouldn't be too bad since the ocean means we could skim the cream of the crop and leave the rest across the sea, but I doubt it's the result you wanted.

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>ethnostate
>race
>american
you flooded your country with a shit ton of different european cultures out of sympathy and a lust for profit, diversity cant be stopped now

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I don’t feel sorry

European cultures have more in common than Mexican and African cultures

Just like Israel has an ethnostate, white people either will fight a war to create and keep their own ethnicity or die out. At some point you have to fight to exist.

You totally sidestepped everything I said just to assert blindly that it wouldn't work. Are you going to contribute to the thread or continue demoralizing?

This.

I don’t think he wants an ethnostate. Probably just here to spout stats to feel smart