I know the vast majority of you disagree...

I know the vast majority of you disagree, but I don't believe there's any credence to any of the popular conspiracy theories of the past ~50 years. Examples:

>Bush/Israel/Jews did 9/11 or had specific advance knowledge
>US government did Pearl Harbor or had specific advance knowledge
>Obama born in Kenya
>Trump conspired or colluded with Russia
>Epstein murdered / still alive
>Osama bin Laden killed long before reported death / still alive
>Holocaust fake or highly exaggerated
>Other conspiracy theories related to Jews
>US government created HIV/AIDS/ebola
>US government did Sandy Hook or other mass shootings to increase public support for seizing guns
>US government putting fluoride/hormones/chemicals in the water supply to make people dumber/more influenceable/less masculine/gay/transgender (I know they do put fluoride in, but the conspiracy theory is the ostensible purpose)
>Pizzagate
>QAnon
>Clintons or Democrats killed Seth Rich or anyone else
>ISIS or al Qaeda literally created by CIA, Clintons, Bush, or Obama (not talking about indirectly through reactions to military intervention)
>Vaccines cause autism
>Anthropogenic global warming is a hoax
>Chemtrails
>Moon landing was a hoax
>Aliens on dark side of moon
>Flat Earth
>Space is fake
>Gangstalking / "electronic harassment" / "targeted individuals" / remote government mind control
>False history / Mandela effect
>White genocide
>Aliens visited Earth
>Bigfoot
>Tupac (or other believed-dead celebrities or politicians) still alive


I find it interesting that it's rare you find someone who only believes in a few of those conspiracy theories. It's usually 75 - 100% or 0%.

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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosenstrasse_protest
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Executed or planned conspiracy theories I do believe there is credible evidence of:

>MKULTRA
>Tuskegee syphilis experiment
>Iran-Contra
>Nixon spied on political opponents
>Operation Northwoods
>FBI sent letter to MLK encouraging him to commit suicide
>Israel sterilized Ethiopian Jews without their knowledge or consent
>NSA spies on domestic US communications


Unsure:

>JFK assassination
>USS Maine explosion


Not to say that the mainstream media should necessarily be believed either, of course. I just don't trust the mainstream media or the "alt" media (Jow Forums, Voat, Gab, Dissenter, etc.).

I'm not interested in debating any of these, because I know most of you believe in a good percentage of these, and I believe they aren't true, after copious research. No amount of debate would change either of our views, so it's a waste of time.

I'm just interested in conspiracy theories of the past ~50 years that I haven't listed here, so I can see if there are any I'm unaware of that I might find credible.

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No, debris from collapsing structures did. But as I said, not interested in debate.

Obvious shill is obvious

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Who am I shilling for? The US government?

Another conspiracy theory I should add: counter-mainstream-opinion posts on Jow Forums or other boards are made by shills.

I'm sure Jow Forums does have a fair number of genuine shills, perhaps some from intelligence agencies and corporations and political campaigns, but I think the number of actual shills is like 3% or less of what most of Jow Forums thinks it is.

This board is crawling with the FED and other intelligence agencies. You can't blame the guy for thinking you are a shill.

>>Holocaust fake or highly exaggerated
i will pay you, and i'm not joking, $10,000 via paypal or wire right now if you can show me irrefutable evidence the holocaust happened.

For one, there's no way any of us can really know the numbers for sure.

Crawling during or near certain events? I wouldn't be surprised. But given the total number of different (actual) humans posting, shills probably make up less than 0.1% of posters on any given day. I'm sure the actual competent shills shift their writing style and frequently leverage anonymizing proxies/VPNs to appear as if they're many people, but even then I bet it's less than 0.3% of poster IDs, give or take a few points.

The issue is any evidence I say is irrefutable you will say is doctored. For example, I believe the Wannasee conference meeting minutes serve as irrefutable evidence (holocaust.umd.umich.edu/news/uploads/WanseeProtocols.pdf), but you'll just say they're fiction written after-the-fact.

I have no way of proving to you they're not doctored, and you have no way of proving to me they're doctored. Neither of our opinions will change on this.

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Sorry, Wansee*

The people who did 9/11 and the people who passed the USA PATRIOT Act are the same people.
Do you think a genocide of American soldiers
and intelligence workers will result in the
repeal of the USA PATRIOT Act?

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What does it matter? We're gonna be dead, it's not our jobs to know

>I believe the Wannasee conference meeting minutes serve as irrefutable evidence
i'm not sure how as the entire wannsee protocol breaks down into the very simple argument over the term "going east" = "murder all the jews by extremely unbelievable means at a rate that defies logic, physics and the space-time continuum". so i think it can be safely discounted.

>The people who did 9/11 and the people who passed the USA PATRIOT Act are the same people.

If you for a moment assume that the government didn't commit 9/11, don't you think the Patriot Act or something similar probably still would've been passed? The same sorts of things happen in all sorts of other countries in response to large terrorist attacks, and has happened in the US in the past on several occasions.

>Do you think a genocide of American soldiers
and intelligence workers will result in the
repeal of the USA PATRIOT Act?

I don't understand what you mean by this. I doubt the act is getting repealed anytime soon, either way, though. I'm certainly no fan of it, but I don't believe there's any conspiracy behind it.

Oh yeah, I 100% know there were federal law enforcement shills on 8 ch Jow Forums and almost definitely here, as well. But if you were an FBI detective assigned to some Internet-based crime unit and you knew a website forum contained two people who perpetrated mass shootings, wouldn't you probably monitor and shill the board, too?

I'm not at all denying government shills. Just that they're a very small percentage of posters. For example, I doubt there were more than 1 or 2 FBI agents posting in that 8 ch thread. I also think US law enforcement probably only posts when there are crime-related things going on. For CIA and foreign intelligence agencies, they may post when there's election and political stuff going on, or encouraging discussion of certain political things, and corporate and campaign shills are probably always posting about all sorts of things.

But considering the huge userbase here, they're a tiny percentage. And I don't think US government people are posting trying to convince people conspiracy theories are fake. If anything, I could see them encouraging people to believe in conspiracy theories about them, or even posting things like "there are a lot of shills today" so that people become more distrustful.

I appreciate this thread, but you're going to be outnumbered. No one is allowed to question popular conspiracy theories or they'll be branded a shill, kike etc. Even though the majority of 'conspiracy theorists' on here just repost collages and regurgitate stuff they've heard others say, and are never interested in conducting their own irl investigations.

How does it defy logic? The Nazis were extremely efficient and well-organized. A lot of the murder was done by mobile killing squads (Einsatzgruppen, translated to "task forces"), and the rest was done by shipping people into extermination camps and hybrid labor-extermination camps.

If the Nazis can smash through France and take over Paris and install a puppet government as quick as they did, they can use their massive army and bureaucratic power and ideological zealotry to kill a bunch of defenseless civilians. It's not that hard to kill people if you really want to do it and think they're subhuman scum, and have hundreds of thousands of eager men to conduct it.

I know. That's the fun of it though, isn't it?

I don’t think you know what the word “””theory”””” means

Could you explain? All I'm saying is I don't believe there's any credence to those theories. Or to use a more proper term, any credence to those "hypotheses".

If something is true and there is credencial evidence then it’s not a conspiracy theory.
Iran-contra for instance is not a conspiracy theory . Only an idiot would think it would ever even be considered one .
You’re new to pol and you’re coming with all the other 8 Ch and r/Donald boomer normies who get your information from newchannels and asking people about things on pol for proof.
Anybody with half a brain can very easily verify what didn’t happen and what did happen.
Now S E E T H E for me

it defies logic because there is simply no physical way 6,000,000 jews could have been killed using even the most outlandish methods of the rollercoaster, the electric swimming pool or the death wank machines. you have to understand, during the war the red cross visited many of these camps very regularly and they never noticed a single instance of mass murder. not one. isn't it strange that for such a horrific event there are many many many accounts from jews themselves telling stories of how the camps were actually nice? isn't it even more strange to learn that the camps issued the prisoners with art supplies, musical instruments, gardening supplies and even their own form of money so they could purchase items from the camp shop? how about the auschwitz football team? or the plays they would put on regularly at bergen-belsen? don't you find that to even be the slightest bit strange that the nazis would turn these places into almost holiday camps for people they were mass murdering?

ask yourself this, why is the holocaust question still asked today 70 years later? if there was such an overwhelming amount of verifiable evidence for such a horrific event the question would have stopped being asked many years ago. but here we are over 70 years later with not a single concrete piece of evidence that stands up to even the most basic scrutiny. isn't that remarkable to say the least?

I think i know where youre coming from, user. this is how i personally gauge the validity of a certain narrative: observe the discussion of one of the topics in question; note talking points and reinforcement of them by the (((media))) and (((university))) apparatus; note how even a slight deviation of thought on said topic is immediately met with swift backlash, financial and social ruin, and even the death/the threat thereof of the dissenter.

you dont have to believe Jow Forums, just dont believe what our government and our """"educators and/or experts"""" tell us about anything. the most important thing to note here though, is that not believing the lies of the (((enemy))), far more often than not, equates to believing Jow Forums. (shilling excluded of course). so many of us align ideologically, not because threads here are planned ahead of time with willing shills to help propagate a narrative, but because the soul yearns for truth. this is probably the only place i know of where some semblance of truth, albeit a waning semblance, can still be uncovered. hope this helps.

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>he unironically believes Epstein committed suicide

what nonsense ... have you ever actually read the wannsee protocols? it literally says they are to be deported, nowhere does it say they should be killed. if anything that is a confirmation of the revisionist perspective...
read this books: holocausthandbooks.com

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Stay awhile, newfren. You will believe. Everyone does eventually.

hey, you've mixed up a bunch of perfectly reasonable and real conspiracy theories (white genocide, epstein murdered/allowed to commit suicide on purpose) with a bunch of completely absurd tin foil hat shit
which brings me to the real conspiracy theory, which is that the powers that be either create or encourage absolutely ridiculous conspiracy theories so that morons like you can post them next to the legitimate ones, thus dragging them all down into a quagmire of tinfoil hat guessing games where the idea that "replacement of white people in their own countries via replacement migration is occurring" (more or less indisputable fact: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Replacement_migration) gets to be put next fake moon landing flat earth aliens bigfoot shit
tl;dr you best start believing in conspiracy theories, you're in one

Yes, I probably should've called those "proven conspiracies" rather than theories. I was just trying to give a dichotomy of what things I think are or aren't credible. You're being unnecessarily pedantic, not unlike a redditor.

It's possible. Any military today could definitely do that within 5 years. Look how many soldiers died in WWI and WWII, then imagine it was soldier vs. civilian instead of soldier vs. soldier. If the Nazis had successfully beaten the Soviet Union, they likely would've killed millions more through more of the same, plus their mass starvation plan.

If the Mongols can kill millions of civilians in a single military conquest campaign almost 1000 years ago, the Nazis could do the same, especially given how much territory they invaded in such a short amount of time, in addition to killing so many of their own civilians.

The question is still being asked because the ideology that drove the Nazis still lives on today, in many places, and of course if the Holocaust had happened in 1880, the Nazis would've said it was fake (while also committing a new one), just as many here say "the Holocaust didn't happen but it should've", or that it didn't happen but one is coming soon. If you hold that ideology, you'll of course believe anything bad happening to Jews is them lying.

I believe there is some chance of a conspiracy in that he or an ally bribed guards so he could successfully kill himself without interruption, but I still lean towards it just being genuine gross incompetence. I believe murder is not impossible but extremely unlikely.

Read the actual PDF I linked.

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Yes, absolutely.

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Post a timestamp picture of your dick please. Not gay, flaccid is fine. I want to see if you are circumcised. I know you are

>Vaccines cause autism
>>Anthropogenic global warming is a hoax
>>Chemtrails
>>Moon landing was a hoax
>>Aliens on dark side of moon
>>Flat Earth
>>Space is fake
>>Gangstalking / "electronic harassment" / "targeted individuals" / remote government mind control
>>False history / Mandela effect
>>White genocide
>>Aliens visited Earth
>>Bigfoot
>>Tupac (or other believed-dead celebrities or politicians) still alive
you ran out of legitimate conspiracies and just listed crack pot ones after.

Mass migration isn't genocide. Replacement migration also isn't, and if you look at what you just linked, you'll see it's talking about something different. The only conspiracy theory with some credence is some people suggesting migration should increase so more people will vote Democrat, but this is a fringe position and not supported by any mainstream politicians, as far as I know. White genocide is as ridiculous as liberals saying Trump wants to genocide Mexicans or hispanics.

Epstein being allowed to kill himself is plausible, due to the sheer level of inaction and conveniences, but I believe if that did happen, it was likely mundane and involved him and low-level guards rather than the warden being compromised by the Deep State, or something. I also think it's less likely than just a regular suicide. I admit this one is sketchy, but I think it's still > 50% just him being intelligent enough to know the best time to do it after observing guard patterns, and the camera stuff being standard federal incompetence.

It is in increasing order of crackpottery, for sure, but I just wanted to be comprehensive. And I think they're all varying degrees of crackpot theories.

>Bush/Israel/Jews did 9/11 or had specific advance knowledge
conclusive analysis that it was done by Jews: www.takeourworldback.com/911mythdemolished.htm

>Holocaust fake or highly exaggerated
it cannot be called "holocaust" if there is no mass cremation: codoh.com
>Other conspiracy theories related to Jews
like Jews controll the US media? if no, please point out a mistake in this analysis: jasonbayz.wordpress.com/2015/07/02/demographics-of-the-american-media-elite/

>Pizzagate
while "Pizzagate" itself is half-backed, there are 100s of mainstream documented cases of elite pedophile: isgp-studies.com/scare

>ISIS or al Qaeda literally created by CIA
al Qaeda was a accepted consequence of the CIA assistance to the Mujahedin against the Soviets; ISIS was an accepted consequence of US-caused the disintegration of Iraq

>Anthropogenic global warming is a hoax
there is no climate crisis: notrickszone.com

>Moon landing was a hoax
200h video links of all arguments from both sides, with a clear winner: man-on-the-moon.info

>White genocide
call it any way you want, "replacing" the european population is literally UN policy: www.un.org/press/en/2000/20000317.dev2234.doc.html

... you may or may not be correct about the others, e.g. the earth is not flat, but I don't know enough or care enough about all of them to have a clear opinion.

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>I'm certainly no fan of it, but I don't believe there's any conspiracy behind it.
>not open to debate
whats the point of an intentional bias again? You underestimate the frequency of false flags and their prevalence in almost all societies. But you acknowledge the declassified ones at least. The worst part being, even though 911 was executed with such blatant incompetence it still has dipshit deniers appealing to societal norms. There were so many reasons to, and preparations prior, to orchestrate this, and you ignored them all. And stay locked in like its a religion. op is a faggot

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>And I think they're all varying degrees of crackpot theories.
then the cia damage control is still effective. Of course you wont entertain that idea.

there is nothing well-organized about the holohoax story ... it is the official version that 800k Jews were gassed in single building in the forest in eastern poland with a stolen Soviet tank engine!

The Einsatzgrupppen (assuming that all reports are genuine, which they are most likely not) gave specific reasons for each killing, like Partisan activities.. there was no kill-all-jews-order for them

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Bin Ladens and Bushes were family friends and business partners.

Michael Moore and John Hinkley jr were also neighbors and family friends of the Bushes.

The conspiracy is farther and wider than you can imagine.

i dont give a fuck if the numbers we're fabricated and hitlers ideals misrepresented. Antisemitism being illegal is a red flag in itself, which practically validates the criticism, and an attack on speech and thought.

People interested in the truth and who spend time researching it and pursuing the truth all agree they have been fed the same lies where as the people who don't care and would rather talk about Starbucks new coffee flavor or Netflix new white male hate, Jewish propaganda show all don't question any of these events and believe whatever their TV tells them too. Weird.

no, i'm sorry it is a physical impossibility. you are comparing soldiers fighting in a war and a mongol invasion.... with mass extermination via gas chambers. soldiers in a war die my lots of different methods but they are all accounted for before the fighting starts and the casualties/bodies are totalled after fighting ends. but there are bodies littering the battlefield... yet not a single body has been found that was murdered by gassing. not a single mass grave of gassed/or cremated bodies has ever been found. we haven't even been able to locate any huge piles or buried piles of cremated human ash.

as for you claims stating the nazis would have killed more if they of won, that is also very wrong. first off "nazis" are the political class and the SS, 99% of german armed forces were the wehrmacht and they had extremely strict rules to not harm prisoners during wartime. the exact same rules the allied forces had. so that is simply not true at all.

the mongols were a mounted invasion force that used blitzkrieg-esque tactics using calvary to decimate men, women and children in their expanding empire. the lands they conquered were simply no match for them. this is total warfare and not even comparable to the holocaust.

lastly, the question is still being asked because not evidence has been provided that stands up to basic scrutiny. are the jews that walked out of the camps that says they didn't see any extermination or murdering all liars? are all the jews that have been caught admitting to telling lies to be believed? jewish scholars admit they can not find evidence that there were 6,000,000 less jews in 1945 than were in 1942 and census figures back this up.

see that's the biggest problem, you think this has to do with Jow Forums somehow having this cult like ideology. people on the right would call you a kike shill, people on the left would call you an ally. people on the right would call me a faggot, people on the left would call me... an antisemite.

>Read the actual PDF I linked.
page 4 of 10:
"Another possible solution of the problem has now taken the place of emigration, i.e. the evacuation of the Jews to the East"

there you have it: an explanation what the Nazis thought the "final solution" is ... reading some secret code language into that sounds almost ... conspiratorial

Obama is indonesian not kenyan.
Pearl Harbor was a hoax using toy boats and planes.
JFK pretended to be assassinated.
ISIS and al Qaeda are litterally CIA and mossad LARPing in costume.
Seth Rich was a hoax.
MLK assassination was a hoax.
9/11 also a hoax.
Pretty much everything in history books is a hoax.

False flags sometimes happen, and they happened a lot more in the past because they're harder to get away with today. Just because the US government or others had some potential motive for it discounts all the other people who had motives, and also the fact that on av. If Bush really did 9/11, how is it not a single politician, law enforcement officer, military officer, or journalist has ever accused them after almost 20 years? Are hundreds of thousands of people in on this conspiracy?

Einsatzgruppen had varying tasks. Many were political, but many were also tasked to "liquidate" villages and areas in the East, for no other reason than them being of Jewish ethnicity.

>Ohlendorf: The instructions [from Himmler] were that in the Russian operational areas of the Einsatzgruppen, the Jews, as well as the Soviet political commissars, were to be liquidated.

>Himmler:We came to the question: what to do with the women and children? I decided to find a clear solution here as well. I did not consider myself justified to exterminate the men - that is, to kill them or have them killed - and allow the avengers of our sons and grandsons in the form of their children to grow up. The difficult decision had to be taken to make this people disappear from the earth.

Assuming the Holocaust were completely true, don't you think that'd be not that shocking? If 6 million West European whites were killed some decades ago, purely for racial reasons, wouldn't denial of the white genocide also be considered taboo in West European countries?

I agree outlawing Holocaust denial is stupid and wrong, though, and counter to freedom of speech, but Europe doesn't have freedom of speech laws. America does, so it isn't illegal here. People should be allowed to say whatever they want, no matter how popular it is.

Yeah, if you cherry pick paragraphs it seems reasonable to say that , but the mafia also didn't exactly say "let's kill this guy".

Nazis were jewish shills. Posers.

People assign their beliefs to whatever their peers and groups have, regardless of evidence. Some wont accept the implications of tyranny at all, and block out the idea entirely like a bad memory.

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>If the Mongols can kill millions of civilians in a single military conquest campaign almost 1000 years ago, the Nazis could do the same

of course they could ... but they did not
otherwise there would be the bodies or cremated remains of 100s of thousands of people in a hand full of precisely know locations.
which they are not: www.nafcash.com

I find this funny given that much of Jow Forums yearns for a return to a totalitarian state with a strongman leader possessing absolute power.

>ISIS or al Qaeda literally created by CIA
>al Qaeda was a accepted consequence
I spoke to several Afgahn cab drivers and all of them said they never fucking heard of al Qaeda until the US military came in rocking the boat and suddenly they were fighting each other and al Qaeda became in charge. My belief is the US literally made up an enemy called al Qaeda and put them in power. Them as in themselves.

Again, read all of it. Literally every single sentence. Not just a few. You'll see exactly what I'm referring to. If you still don't see it, I'll spell it out in my next post.

Moon landing was a hoax 100%. They don’t even know what space and gravity is and can’t conquer them. We can’t go into space yet.

>>Bush/Israel/Jews did 9/11 or had specific advance knowledge
>>Holocaust fake or highly exaggerated
>>Other conspiracy theories related to Jews
>>Pizzagate
>>Moon landing was a hoax
>>White Genocide
These are definitely true.

how is it not a single politician, law enforcement officer, military officer, or journalist has ever accused them after almost 20 years? Are hundreds of thousands of people in on this conspiracy?
>hundreds of thousands
>bush administration, top brass, few dozen lobbyists and maybe a hundred contractors likely outsourced from foreign countries. Probably paid well and intimidated by the implications of testifying. But thats common sense and some speculation. Strange how military information isnt civilian common knowledge. Almost like security clearance works. Im not stretching, but saying hundreds of thousands of people are on the inside is.

>hands are shooped in
JFK is a woman, Jackie O is a man

ignore the shit greentext

yes

>I have no way of proving to you they're not doctored, and you have no way of proving to me they're doctored. Neither of our opinions will change on this.
This is a Jewish way of saying that no, you do not have sufficient evidence to prove it happened.

You're a faggot and you should fuck off back to plebbit then kill yourself.

NEXT.

Very convincing post. Good job.

Much of pol wants justice id say

How about the conspiracy theory that the CIA made the phrase "conspiracy theory" popular in the USA to discredit people who didn't buy the official story of the JFK assassination?

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Imagine falling for the lie that Hitler was some strongman ruling with an iron fist and squashing everyone, and not a guy who was just looking out for his countrymen's best interests at heart... you are a fool.

What if I told you they even listened when Germans protested instead of harming them?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosenstrasse_protest

Let's say that's true. How is it that there was never a single leak? How is it that not a single journalist or politician has even raised any questions regarding this? How can our top intelligence agencies not be able to prevent constant leaks, but the most egregious conspiracy theory - killing 3000 US citizens to start a war - remains tightly under wraps after 20 years? You're saying Bush is just calmly painting ducks or whatever every day now, with no qualms about killing 3000 people and no fear of being caught after all these years?

Sure I do. How am I supposed to prove a negative? How do I prove this *isn't* doctored? The onus is on you to prove it *is* doctored. What is your evidence it's doctored?

>Assuming the Holocaust were completely true, don't you think that'd be not that shocking
stalin killed how many? Not illegal to deny. Europe was riddled by globalists from the start, then spread its aids here of course they have shit rights, or should i say temporary privileges. Jews the perpetual victim a story older than time.

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You realize those aren't mutually exclusive, right? Most strongman dictators believe they're acting in the best interest of the best parts of their country, or creating the country they believe will be best for them. Why else would they be taking the actions they take?

The US government enacted the Patriot Act for the exact same reason. They think they're doing what's best for US citizens, even though they're not.

Because Stalin is a single dead person, and saying the Holocaust didn't happen is essentially saying Jews are in on a conspiracy to trick people that they're oppressed when they're not.

You realize that when your country just fought a civil war with communists (Munich Revolt), fought the largest war in history, and had a bunch of enemies surrounding them, you can't rule said country like it's flowers and daisies? Do you realize that making policies based on a few people in the sand are nothing compared to what Germany faced during that time?

Your a retard or you havent done your research if you don't believe Epstein was murdered and pizzagate is real.

>because the killings dont have a cool name its not relevant
hitlers a single dead person whats your point?
>they're oppressed when they're not.
They're a parasite devouring host nations and demanding protection by media.

I know the Wannsee protocol and its background quite well:
codoh.com/library/document/934
forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1647

>No legally valid transcript or protocol of the discussion exists. The 'Minutes of Discussion' of unknown origin, first submitted in 1947 by Kempner, deposited in the Foreign Office and copied repeatedly, is a fabrication in the sense that the text of this paper was concocted years after the alleged discussion, by a person not involved in the conference ..

Who knew someone could take their disinterest and lack of engagement with the world around themsleves and spin them into a positive label?

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The US also faced issues with communism around that time. They also didn't handle the issue as if with "flowers and daisies", per McCarthyism, but they didn't plan to kill millions of people (including countless non-Communists) and kill Stalin and kill most people in the Soviet Union.

Germany was going through a rough conflict, with a struggle occurring between far-left and far-right groups. And yes, maybe if the communists won, it'd be a communist dictator in Germany killing millions of people instead of a far-right one. Two wrongs still don't make a right. Some degree of forceful action was needed, but definitely not turning people into non-citizens on ethnic bases, and killing millions of civilians in your country and continent.

That faggot is still alive caught on his island today by an r. Shackleford and his drone

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We get it, you can't handle being a man and want to go back to sleep. Like the first Matrix movie you want to be the guy eating the steak even though you know it's not real.

Of course not every conspiracy theory people come up with is true but some are, and the idea behind most conspiracy theories that our govt is tyrannical in some of the worst ways imaginable is 100% true

So, first you point out that the language in the document shows there was nothing malevolent about anything they said. That's suggesting you think the document is real, but not evidence of anything bad. Then when I show you that's wrong, you say that oh, the document was actually fake all along. What happened to all of your previous points?

That statement is completely false. The papers were discovered in 1947, yes, but the text literally lists its author: Adolf Eichmann, "minutes secretary".

Why would Eichmann, the author of the minutes, admit he wrote it and that the text was real, if he was trying to avoid the death penalty in Israel?

>At the conclusion of the meeting Heydrich gave Eichmann firm instructions about what was to appear in the minutes. They were not to be verbatim: Eichmann ensured that nothing too explicit appeared in them. He said at his trial: "How shall I put it – certain over-plain talk and jargon expressions had to be rendered into office language by me". Eichmann condensed his records into a document outlining the purpose of the meeting and the intentions of the regime moving forward. He stated at his trial that it was personally edited by Heydrich, and thus reflected the message he intended the participants to take away from the meeting.

USS liberty was an attempt by isreal to get USA into war with Egypt by bombing one of the US ships with jets carrying Egyptian markers and we're somehow caught doing it because if you weren't a shill kike you'd know 99% of what conspiracy theorist claim for the past 50years has came out to be mostly true

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Your evidence of McCarthy as evidence of the US combating communism, is hilarious.

Do you know your schools don't teach you that McCarthy was actually right about most of his accusations?

"But evidence accumulated from a variety of sources—including Soviet archives—since the end of the Cold War in the early 1990s shows that McCarthy’s charges were, in numerous cases, neither false nor hysterical—but correct."

>rare you find someone who only believes in a few of those conspiracy theories. It's usually 75 - 100% or 0%.

there are quite some people that believe in only one unpopular thing, or very few of them.
many climate scientists with skeptical views on the IPCC try very hard to not get grouped together with other conspiracies.
some of the 9/11 truthers crowd refuses to look into the role of Israel but believe a Bush did it, perhaps out of sympathy for Jews or lifelong antisemitism indoctrination
Moon hoax believers try to not get associated with "holocaust deniers" (example Bart Sibrel)
probably most Holocaust revisionist believe in manned-moon mission (example Germar Rudolf)

Also, to be clear, there are public statements by Hitler, quotes from Mein Kampf, and various transcripts of statements Himmler has made that also strongly support that at the very least, Himmler

This one I don't know much about. Israel and Mossad certainly do shady shit, so some kind of conspiracy like that wouldn't be extremely shocking to me.

That said, the authoritarian Israeli government can't exactly be equated to "all Jews all over the world". If you believe Bush did 9/11 or did the USS Maine false flag or any other number of false flags, would that mean everyone should hate American citizens domestically and abroad?

McCarthy was right about *some* of his accusations. But if you accuse nearly everyone with vaguely left-ish views, of course some % will be correct, like any psychic doing cold reading or whatever.

Some fear about communism in the US was justified, but it was extremely overblown and driven by fear and paranoia, and conflated people who hated the USSR and hated communism and wanted things like subsidized healthcare with people who were full-on totalitarian seize-the-means-of-production revolutionary communists. Exactly like the fear and paranoia here about "white genocide" or Muslim refugees or whatever.

Cut off

Also, to be clear, there are public statements by Hitler, quotes from Mein Kampf, and various transcripts of statements Himmler has made that also strongly support that at the very least, Himmler and other high-ranking officials ordered the mass killing of Jews through a number of means.

JFK's "we are surrounded around the world by a monolithic conspiracy" speech.
youtu.be/RhkjYJAHCjM
He's not talking about just communism or Israel in this speech. He's talking about the NWO and the bloodlines who control Israel and Communism. Deal with it.

You did see I listed "JFK assassination" under "unsure", right? I can't say I have a good idea of what exactly happened there.

But in that speech, he's clearly speaking specifically and only about the USSR and communism, not Israel, or any "New World Order". Please quote the sentences of the speech that refer to Israel or a New World Order or a "bloodline".

But I've seen that argument before about x...
You Shill kike faggot

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Who is Bill Cooper? Who are the 60 or so people around Clinton who died? What is WikiLeaks? What is the CIA vault's declassified pdf of Fritz Springmeier's Bloodlines of the Illuminati? What is consistent NWO cryptology?

This whole "if it's all a conspiracy then y no 1 talk?" farce is so old it has Alzheimer's.

Does it never occur to holocaust deniers that six million is quoted in all those papers because it was a good ballpark figure for the times?

Intention is also kind of bad enough, isn't it? The Nazis clearly intended, planned to, and discussed killing millions of Jews in Europe. Even if in theory they hadn't done it, imagine if Israel's government were caught planning to kill millions of white people. I think you all would call that a "white Holocaust" whether or not it were actually carried out and whether it were 3 million or 6 million who actually were killed.

Nothing Eichmann said or allegedly said after being brought to Israel is of any value.
His guild and death penalty were already desired beforehand.
Even if he said so, I do not believe that he was the author, for the reasons explained in the links provided...
All he could do is comment in a way to minimize torture.

He talks plenty enough about the CIA and the press for us to know who he's talking about there. The NWO. It includes communists and Israel, like I already said.

Am I in my 60’s already? Fuck.

It only seems rare because most non retards are not interested in speaking up. I would wager that much more of us only believe in roughly 30-40% of what you put out there.

Like we literally just had the CEO of Overstock come on Fox and CNN and admit to being part of a large blackmailing scheme for the deepstate under the Obama presidency.

We JUST had a guy, Epstein, suicided for being part of a CIA-Mossad pedophile blackmailing ring.

In 2016 we had DNC email leaks showing Hillary Clinton talking to Forrester de Rothschild like her boss. The emails talked about Moloch sacrifice and using 7-9 children as hot tub entertainment.

Don't you get it yet?

The politicians don't talk because they're blackmailed, and an ancient cult of Saturn runs the whole operation. Hence why the Rothschilds have a Star of Remphan (Saturn) as their house logo.

Come on OP, lmfao.

There's no evidence he was tortured. And I think there's plenty of evidence that he was the author of that document. He spoke about the meeting in great detail and how the terminology used in it was very common among the Nazi bureaucrats and officials to plan the Jewish liquidation in the East.

The meeting minutes are also completely consistent with things Himmler, the main organizer, has said elsewhere.

On need to prevent children avenging their parents:

>I ask of you that that which I say to you in this circle be really only heard and not ever discussed. We were faced with the question: what about the women and children? – I decided to find a clear solution to this problem too. I did not consider myself justified to exterminate the men – in other words, to kill them or have them killed and allow the avengers of our sons and grandsons in the form of their children to grow up. The difficult decision had to be made to have this people disappear from the earth. For the organisation which had to execute this task, it was the most difficult which we had ever had. [...] I felt obliged to you, as the most superior dignitary, as the most superior dignitary of the party, this political order, this political instrument of the Führer, to also speak about this question quite openly and to say how it has been. The Jewish question in the countries that we occupy will be solved by the end of this year. Only remainders of odd Jews that managed to find hiding places will be left over.

Memo before the speech:

>Largest stabilisation in the G.G. since the solution to the Jewish question. – Race war. Total solution. Not allowing avengers to rise against our children.

>The Jewish question has been solved within Germany itself and in general within the countries occupied by Germany. [...] You can understand how difficult it was for me to carry out this military order which I was given and which I implemented out of a sense of obedience and absolute conviction. If you say: 'we can understand as far as the men are concerned but not about the children', then I must remind you of what I said at the beginning. [...] In my view, we as Germans, however deeply we may feel in our hearts, are not entitled to allow a generation of avengers filled with hatred to grow up with whom our children and grandchildren will have to deal because we, too weak and cowardly, left it to them.

>Another question which was decisive for the inner security of the Reich and Europe, was the Jewish question. It was uncompromisingly solved after orders and rational recognition. I believe, gentlemen, that you know me well enough to know that I am not a bloodthirsty person; I am not a man who takes pleasure or joy when something rough must be done. However on the other hand, I have such good nerves and such a developed sense of duty – I can say that much for myself – that when I recognise something as necessary I can implement it without compromise. I have not considered myself entitled – this concerns especially the Jewish women and children – to allow the children to grow into the avengers who will then murder our children and our grandchildren. That would have been cowardly. Consequently the question was uncompromisingly resolved.

>It was the most terrible task and the most terrible order which could have been given to an organisation: the order to solve the Jewish question. In this circle, I may say it frankly with a few sentences. It is good that we had the severity to exterminate the Jews in our domain.

Not a single bit of that is true, other than the Overstock CEO being a nutjob and saying things for attention.

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