THOM HARTMANN UTTERLY DESTROYS GUNFAGS

In what way does that invalidate the reasoning?

>We declare that we will no longer follow your laws
That's illegal!

...user I..

wtf he wrote a book? I'm giving up my right to self defense now.

>Hartmann
>mann

>we all agreed a long time ago
bullshit.
i never agreed to that.
fucking George Washington never agreed either.
Georgie knew that we need weapons of war.
Thom Hartmann is an insufferable faggot.
>What's wrong with that?
what's wrong is that God and the Founders recognize my rights to own "arms".
some people need killing.

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Why dont you make us give up our guns? Wonder how well that will work.

anyone where to get guns illegally in europe?

Any former comblock state

how do i get in contact?

can't listen to that insufferable faggot anymore.
too many logical fallacies.
>you can ban AR15s and still honor the constitution
NO YOU CAN'T.
American citizens need PARITY with the most advanced military capabilities in the world.
that's the spirit of the 2nd Amendment.
anything else is a lie.

A 3d printer

Shut the fuck up and come get it

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Explaining the difference between collectivist governance and Individualist governance is lost user. Most gun supporters don't even understand it correctly.

All government rights in the US are a delegation of individual rights. Cant deligate a right you don't have.

The government shouldn't have nukes or a standing federal army--solves all sorts of problems that the founders knew and modern retards clearly have forgotten.

Walk down the street with fistfuls of cash proclaiming loudly that'd you'd like to buy a gun.

nevermind then i shouldnt ask here

Come and take them then.

gun grabbing does nothing to temper illegal gun violence. you're only disarming law abiding citizens while tyrone and daykwon will continue on robbing and murdering innocents and eachother.

The Constitution signed in 1787 was a contract between "We the People" and the government. Any modification of that agreement by only one party is a violation of our contract between us and them. We no longer have to respect or listen to them when they violate the written contract.

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I thought you guys could get guns? Get a license.

(((Hartmann)))
Oh lad.

Hartmann began his business career in the early 1970s while in his 20s, co-founding The Woodley Herber Company. Woodley Herber sold herbal products, potpourris and teas, and operated until 1978.[20] It was during this time that Hartmann obtained three degrees in herbology and homeopathic medicine.

lmao better listen up

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Visit the Czech republic where they're legal and visit the seediest gun store you can find and just ask.

>dude but cars
where does the constitution protect the freedom of transportation, you dumb niggers?

I didn't realize germans were so hot to be followed by the poletzi but this'll make you glow better for your buddies.

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They don’t care about that. They just want to disarm the white middle class so they can impose draconian laws. They want to make pedaphilia and other crazy shit legal, they can’t do that if the conservatives have guns.

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i dont think i can get one without a german passport

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Isn't this the book written as a rebuttal to Jon Lott's book More Guns Less Crime? Isn't this the book where the author lost all of his original source material in an "office fire"? Sagebait

SHALL

exactly. just pisses me off that normies are unable to think more than one step ahead.

Fuck you Mohammid, you shouldn’t even be in Germany. Go back to your shithole and get an AK.

you think they will just sell to non czechs?

>thom
never heard of this dipshit, but i definitely hate people named “thom”. hope your mother survives a terrible car accident today, and catches MRSA in the hospital’s burn unit.

The Right to bear arms is a fundamental human Right.
If you disagree you're saying that the government is a superior entity than the people it is made of. You're saying that we cannot be trusted with self determination. That only an elite and protected class should have access to the gold standard for the world which is force.
If you believe that, fine, just be frank and argue truthfully rather than subversively.

i come from the netherlands actually, but i live in germany right now for work, besides i can probably get a passport pretty easily because my mother is german

I wonder if Hartmann, given his herbology background, even knows that people were called witches and burned alive at the stake for growing herbs?

And that these acts and others during Inquisition, was the actual reason why there is a 2nd amendment today?

Most of these gun grabbing herb growing liberal idiots aren't even aware that these rights are for THEM more than anyone else. They have forgotten history.

>THOM HARTMANN UTTERLY DESTROYS GUNFAGS
The people's firearm rights are inherent and not up for debate.

It’s all so tiresome.

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>You know that declaration has no legal binding?
Did you know the bill of rights does not grant the people rights but protects rights the people inherently have?

Then that’s what I would do. Good luck buddy.

...You do realize you're on a watch list now right?

You probably are interpol but just in case you don't really understand who lurks here...

America BTFO

You have to go back.

>Protects rights
Close: it is a deligation of rights for the government to enforce enumerated by their limitations.. which is why it's confusing. Calling it the bill of rights is also confusing: It is talking about the government's rights (and limits there of) not the individual rights.

>implying

i know i could be on a watchlist, but why would this make anything worse? i just want a gun for hunting

Because I'm a fair-minded person, I'll generally give a liberal 30-45 seconds to say something interesting. You just tossed 3 hours of shit out there. Fuck off. Not gonna watch. Beside that, that guy looks like a pussy.

Authoritarians aren't capable of comprehending this.

>but protects rights the people inherently have?

Protect rights? But rights are social constructs. They aren't given to anyone.

NOT

Good save.

You may have better luck with non-regulated weapons. This air rifle isn't considered a fire arm in the US--you may have similar loopholes. This air-rifle easily takes down big game.

airgundepot.com/airforce-texan.html

Just go to your local mosque and they should have a nice big stockpile hidden in the basement.

>Close: it is a deligation of rights for the government to enforce enumerated by their limitations..
Yes, that's true. It's more of a document saying what the government can't do to the people.

The government exists solely to protect the people's rights from threats both foreign and domestic, not take the people's rights away.

So the government can't ban or restrict something that is an inherent right. Like firearms.

>The government exists solely to protect the people's rights from threats both foreign and domestic, not take the people's rights away.

This is not at all the case. Go back to fucking high school.

>Protect rights? But rights are social constructs. They aren't given to anyone.
Rights are either given to you by God or inherent from nature (which you could lose along with lose everything else if you become weak)

>This is not at all the case.
Yeah it is.

he refers to the original intent and the founders stated exactly that. you are wrong. stay the fuck out of whatever school you went to.

are air rifles powerful enough to kill anything? I would prefer a real rifle for ethical hunting

Government exists to protect private poverty rights and maintain order for the wealthy.

>he refers to the original intent and the founders stated exactly that.
Yes, that was my point. Thank you.

>NY times best seller
Wow I've never seen that before, like every movies that's the numba 1 in America. The Jew York Times gave it 10/10 shekels up so it must be good.

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>are air rifles powerful enough to kill anything?
If you get shot in the eye with a strong enough air rifle with a proper pellet I'd wager it could go into the brain and bounce around.

>Government exists to protect private poverty rights and maintain order for the wealthy.
Maybe now.

noooo that was kinda at that time as well

liberty meant property in 1790s

Prove to me that the person after Tom Hartman's government isn't going to become Pol Pot?

but i want to be sure, what about automatic rifles? also do you need a permit to practice on a gun range

You should bind your head in in a rubber mask and jump into the river faggot. No law is binding, they are agreements and understanding for a society to function and prosper, something niggers like you don't get.

>liberty meant property in 1790s
lol it meant freedom from an oppressive king that forced them to worship in a certain church, weren't allowed to speak out against them, confiscated their firearms, and yes, confiscated their property and possessions.

It wasn't a single issue.

Instead of consulting this meaningless collection of paper sheets, I think I will go right ahead and take a gander at what the Constitution says about it. Let's see here:
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
Seems simple enough.

There are multiple styles of air-rifles, and you can buy versions that are strong enough to take down deer.
Most of the ones sold to kids could kill you if you got a very lucky shot, or died of infection.
>do you need a permit to practice on a gun range
According to which law? Each private facility has its own rules, and then there are State laws, and then there's the Constitution.

Go read the reviews. These things are savage and were created for big game. They are absolutely high quality fire arms and are very usable as hunting rifles (with very functional suppressors).

Believe what you like--the modern technology air rifle is very usable by-the-numbers when assessed for it's ballistic capabilities and field testing.

>muh gubmint rights not individual
Despite ot saying individual, are you really telling me the gov needs permission from itself to own weaponry and defends it land?

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>but i want to be sure, what about automatic rifles?
With tons and tons of federal government paperwork and lots of money to get the proper permissions and the firearm itself, a private citizen can own an automatic rifle.

>also do you need a permit to practice on a gun range
Nope. You show up with your firearms, you pay a fee to use the range and then you can shoot your firearm (within the rules of the range).
At least that's how it works in my state. Not sure if it works differently in California or New York.

And that's just one of the versions.
I recall the more popular version having only one comma.
>A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

I'm saying that the post WWII world that you live in is very different than America Pre 1900s.

The government defends the people--if the people are capable of defending themselfs they don't need the government to do it for them. That is the difference between how the US should (and used to operate): Melitias vs. how post WWII retards think it should operate: Centralized military

>Being this much of a lolbergtarian brainlet and think all authoritarian regimes are evil like the communists.

The government in the US does need permission from the people to own weaponry and defend it's own land.
That's why the Constitution starts with "We The People." Now, according to the theory, the people assign Representatives to make those people views into official policy.

What current authoritarian regime would you use as an example of a "good" one?

Yeah when it's late stage/ subverted capitalism or socialist like the children of Abot street. Go back to leftypo-oh wait.

A Jew thinks I should give up my guns. Stop the fucking presses.

>Authoritarians aren't capable of comprehending this.
I'm an authoritarian. Now what?

>host looks like he's dying of cancer and survives on whole grain toast and plain yoghurt.

Fucking pass.

In the history of the world they have a very limited time frame of "good" before they grow paranoid or simply decadent and stupid. That's why we weren't supposed to have a King, but we did assign one guy to work as such when in other nations, and on our behalf.

Hit up your local Serb

Which any, I'd love to hear this.

Yes it is a different environment, but the government long ago dropped their restrictions and have been keeping up a charade to keep any revolts down. The government does whatever it wants, which is why the bill also protects the innocent. So they're not going to be held back from buying land and guns unless the opposition is doing it for virtue signalling or economic/political reasons.

>has to add the qualifier "current" to his question.
lol.

>All of the callers sound like whiny onions boys and fags

like pottery.

What specifically is wrong with that?