Had a debate with someone today. Here's the quick version of their argument:
Karl Marx - Argued everything was a class-based struggle. He said Marx was Wrong... Stated: Are there "good" poor people? Yes. "Bad" poor people? Yes. Same with the rich. "Good" and '"bad" on all sides precludes Marx from having a viable philosophy due to the inherent moral inconsistencies of "good" and "bad" being on all sides.
Adolf Hitler - Argued everything was a race-based struggle. He said Adolf was Wrong... Stated: Are there "good" white people? Yes. "Bad" white people? Yes. Same with black people and so on. "Good" and "bad" on all sides precludes Hitler from having a viable philosophy due to the inherent moral inconsistencies of "good" and "bad" being on all sides.
He said Class and Race are both red-herrings and that they always have been. He said since the dawn of time, a war between Liberty and Oppression has been raging and is the only true struggle.
Depends on what your goal is, there is no one size fits all answer to this question. Race matters to a lot of things. Class matters to some things as well. Liberty is a more vague and abstract concept, but I guess it applies to some things as well.
Hunter James
there is no one who is really "good" but god's love keeps us all in existence. people should be more humble
Brody Kelly
He forgot about the difference between “intelligent human“ and “literal ape” in that Hitler part
Leo Sanders
Rich and poor are not classes, son. Marx was about the division of labor and its relative rewards.
Leo Torres
It sure is lucky that we don't throw the baby out with the bathwater then. A few bad whites does not remove the need to secure the existence of whites. We create the most hospitibale and empathetic societies. Our creations are objectively better than most others. We are good despite the flaws and so deserve to preserve ourselves.
Julian Jackson
Memeflaggot
Liam Myers
All struggle is not between "good" and "bad" people. That is kindergarten philosophy. Struggle is between different groups, and each group can have good and bad people in it. World war 2 was the struggle between the Allies and the Axis. Saying that there were good and bad people on both sides doesn't mean the war didn't happen.
Joseph Roberts
Liberty vs Authority/Opression is correct
Josiah Williams
No. People who are truly free can do things that are evil. Oppressors who who prevent people from doing bad things, classify as good.
His perception of good and evil is based on another "red hearing".
Julian Reed
This. To ascribe moral judgements on history as one being good and one bad is ahistorical. The only important thing is who wins.
Ryder Smith
False. It’s not about good and bad. It’s that blacks will look after the interests of blacks, Asians - asians, and whites - whites. WE should unabashedly look after the interests of our own race, because the other races will shire as hell look after their own, and they sure as hell cannot be convinced otherwise.
Jaxon Collins
I do believe Liberty is good and oppression is bad, but boiling everything down to a dichotomy is low level thinking.
There are two types of people. Those who think society can only make the right decisions when they are free to do so and those that think society can only make the right decisions when they are forced to so.
Lucas Ortiz
Based and Thinkingmanpilled
Eli Jackson
But isn't that what you're doing? Many people crave oppression and many who are free destroy themselves with their freedom. I agree with your second statement, it's not as black and white as it might seem.
Thomas Taylor
He isn't necessarily right or wrong if you are talking about a group of citizens in one place. The enemy tends to be rich if you are poor or vice versa, and they also could be from a different race that has a different ideology.
Hitler never alleged that there were no bad white people, so your "friend" just made up a stupid strawman.
Robert Gray
It's impossible to crave oppression
Camden Scott
Prove it.
Hunter Barnes
There is indeed a struggle between the good and the bad. Sometime sthe good does not always win. This struggle exists in the world and in our hearts. Not all the good people are good all the time, and not all the bad people do bad things all the time. The trick in all of this is to see the winner and be there. To pick the winner is simple. Ask yourself what is the future? The past is always at war with the future, and the future always wins.
I have good news my friends. The future is liberty. Since man first rose from the primordial soup he has striven to be free, in body and mind. Just as "dollo's law" is one of the greatest white pills (white people are the future, nature does not "devolve") so to is the liberty pill a great white pill. It may take mankind 1000 years, but our destiny is a free society, true liberty.
We get too caught up in our time. We think things are a struggle between haves and have nots, between blacks and whites. When the future is written in the stars, and there is nothing we can do to change the course. So many men have myopic vision, seeing only the things that are in thier time, fighting and squabbling over bits of clay or pieces of paper. But I say to you, see the future, bet on it, and walk boldly into it. Eat drink and be merry, enjoy the wife in your arms and the children by your feet, everything under the sun, it is all vanity. Go forth and multiply, the future belongs to whomever arrives.
If someone does something to you that you crave they are not oppressing you.
Evan Jenkins
Unless what you crave is their oppression.
Xavier Diaz
this is just one of the handful of logical traps used by the kikes to prevent (you) from reaching and conclusion about anything.
infinite logical subdivision to deconstruct any concept and prove that it doesnt exist. this rhetorical tactics is how we got Existentialism, Nihilism, Anarchism, Post Structuralism and all the other kiked up bullshit lies of Post Modernism.
see goy? whatever you believe is true can be dissected into its parts, therefore it doesnt exist and so all truth is relative and subjective. since nothing is true and everything is permissible, you have to become like the soulless kikes and wallow in anxiety and psychotism and skepticism
by the way, Immanuel Kant dispproved this fucking PoMo bullshit logical fallacy way back in 1777. in his 4 Antinomies of Pure Reason. one of them proves that the idea of a Substance that can be infinitely divided into smaller and smaller parts is not a thing that we can percieve, so therefore we cannot act like it exists and is real because we have no way of knowing anything beyond the boundaries of our sensory-perception body-brain apparatus.
your friend is wrong about everything, and that he is even pushing this degenerate kike philosophy on you only proves that you should dump your friend of not kick his fucking kike ass.
Kant was a brainlet, but you are not wrong in other regards.
Ethan Reed
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Levi Peterson
Good and bad are irrelevant. "harmful" and "useful" are not. You can be the goodest person of the planet, but if you are unintentionally killing me (let's say you carry and incurably deadly disease, live in the same house as me and refuse to leave), is me killing you or evicting you evil? No, it is not.
Josiah Taylor
You've deconstructed things so much that now Liberty and Oppression no longer make sense. There would be good and bad people in any theoretical Liberator or Oppressor group. So why do anything at all? Because the Oppressor group is on the whole, harmful to your own. In such a war, it's inevitable that good "Oppressors" would also die.
