Redpill me on income tax

Except for super rich dont pay but we have to

I only hate tax dodgers because they weasel out of what everyone has to face, and fake being poor. "Aww sheeeeit im too POH to pay my rent and get groceries so i gots my house and food paid for by the government. All dem billz i don't gotta pay so i buy me a new mercedes and a 90" OLED tv!"

>That's fucking janitor money.
theres your problem. you are retarded. janitors pay taxes too.

Yah but when you rise above the middle class shit is pure keno

This.
Every else is just pissed they can't " afford da x bahks"

Israel needs your tax money fool, pay up deadbeat.

He probably works a lot of overtime, which is even more reason for him to be pissed.

I work mon-friday 10-12 hours a day. I don't have to work weekends or have no 'holidays' to get overtime pay, you cum-guzzling bong.

We literally replied at the same time

>Yah but when you rise above the middle class shit is pure keno
Almost nobody does, though. An economic model of this kind is unsustainable and inevitably drives up disaffection. This is exactly the kind of thinking that creates Communists. The person most to blame for Stalin, and thus by extension, every single communist state on Earth, and the over 100,000,000 people that died because of it is the last emperor of Russia. "Sucks to be you" creates communists, which we can all agree is unacceptable.

>the super rich don't pay taxes
They do, for the most part.
It's just that most donate to charities, or operate special non profits that use subpar employment practices.
The rest of it is concealed income, in the form of discretionary funds that technically don't qualify.
People are, for the most part, just regards that look at cherry picked numbers and screech about it.
Obviously they game the system, but many such options are available to the general public.

No. Robots don't get wages and so can't be taxed, therefore infinite money can't be created.

>we can't invent new sorts of taxes
VAT would tax their productivity, which is something your country already has.
It's called the GST in your country, though. VAT is what it's called in Europe.
Typical Australian, not even knowing the laws of his own country.

There you go.

Of course it's taxation, mostly going to services that your country is giving you, that is theft, while loads of money going into mr. sheckleberg's pocket are completely fine.

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Of course you didn't and still don't see services that were and are provided to you paid by taxes, that you used for 20 years before your first job.

57k on 18 an hour is possible with a consistent 14 hours of overtime per week.

(18*40*52)+(27*14*52) = 57k

That being said... no or few blue collar jobs provide consistent overtime. After you work 5 to 10 hours of overtime per week your payroll taxes increase and your tax bracket increases. Your employer also has to match your payroll taxes and overtime is generally not included in the estimating process.

Overtime under the current system of taxation is essentially a loss for everyone but Uncle Sam. The blue collar worker does not and can never obtain the financial standing required to acquire assets to write off the loss in personal profit from overtime. The blue collar worker is simply getting his/her ass whipped at 1.5 times the going rate.

The robot isn't paying taxes because the robot does not consume goods and services. Not can it pay taxes on its own productivity because it does not earn a wage. Not that difficult to understand. You'd have to pay a wage to the robot before you can take it away.

You are being taxed because income tax is by far the most profitable thing to tax for any government. In the US it makes up half of the entire budget, which is why commies always talk about raising income tax as a means of fighting the banks. Since people are retarded enough to fall for this bait-and-switch, they are going to try to take advantage of the fact that you are a willing host. I mean, why would they decrease the amount of money that goes into programs?

Tax needs to be simplified, I'm tired of paying taxes everytime I try to do anything with my money.

>Tax me when I get my money
>Tax me when I spend my money
>Tax me for having things
>Tax me when I get rid of my things
Yet you still have faggots who think Americans have less taxes than Europe, my ass they don't pay taxes everywhere like we do

The solution is simple - same basic minimal tax for everyone, regardless of income
BUT
wages have to go up accordingly. Big companies will eb taxed less, but they have to pay you more. Or else.

are you making a joke

this is a nightmare scenario

people will get more money = money will lose value

the country will get less money, paired with the fact that money will lose value = the country will lose its ability to control order

Not much in america. You guys are fucking terrible at using your taxes. Even in sweden where we take in nigger on nigger straight from africa are we that inefficient with our tax money, and we pay far more in taxes - and yet we live more comfortably than your average american. I'd blame corrupt politicians in your government.

>not giving the government back but a fraction of what you earned while they allowed you to work.

>allowed me to work
more like forced me

You are a dumb dumb.
The tax revenue comes from when people buy the goods produced by the robots.
Now, how to get money to people so they can buy stuff from robots is a different question, but you guys already have Centrelink, so I'm sure you'll figure it out.

>leftist butthurt that people get the money that they earned and that it doesn't get taxed
>money will instantly hyperinflate because the government doesn't get to have it
Like clockwork

Still something is off. I have muddy painful diarrhea right now so i can't provide a clar response. The guy below seems to explain it pretty well.
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They could just incarcerate you and you'd have to do it for free.

But think about it. People employed by corporations will earn times more than people employed by the country. I'm not even leftist.

Well, in a natural state you're forced to work for your own survival at minimum.
I don't know how it is in Bulgaria, but in civilized nations the government protects you and your property, which makes work actually worth something.
If there was no state to protect you, you'd have to hire private police in order to keep your earnings.

>"I'm not even leftist"
You're not fooling anyone here, it is pretty damn obvious from your posts about surplus labour value and the government not being able to give you services if you don't give them more taxes.

>more taxes
Where is that mentioned in my posts?
You're offering A LOT less taxes, my point is that the current amount - not more - is what's necessary to maintain the institutions that exist right now.

Do you want a civil war? Because that's how you get a civil war in a country with more privately-owned guns than citizens.

So stop printing money?

I'm a Janitor. Also an entrepreneur. I make more, net, after loopholes shenanigans, like services I use both for self and company being tax deductible and paying myself dividend.

As if they couldn't stop the civies if they wanted to. Your delusional.

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Completely halting inflation (or worse, deflation) is almost as bad as hyperinflation.
If your money will be worth exactly the same tomorrow as it is today, there's little reason to invest unless you know the returns will be large, since you could always wait until tomorrow when something better might come along.
This doesn't sound so bad until it starts happening on a massive scale, which slows economic growth.
If you have deflation it's even worse because then you'll hold onto your money forever, since it'll be worth even more tomorrow.

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Yeah, how could the Vietcong and the Taliban ever even conceive of being able to stick it out against the US military? Lmao, those dumb redneck retards.

they can try and said goverment is overthrown within a month
>you'd be forced to work for your survival at minimum
I can survive and keep my shit without working. Not on neetbux, just got lucky with life
>in civilized nations the government protects you and your property
The state is not obliged to protect either. It's in their best interest to do so, and they do it.
>if there was no state to protect you, you'd have to hire private police
Yes, thats why I pay land tax. For protection. If I want to throw my garbage in the dump, I pay the state for handling it. If I want to not pay them garbage tax, I should be my decision. Say I want to burn my trash. Why would I pay the state if I'm handling it by myself? Why would they fine me for not using their services?
I have a house for rent. With the rent I can live just fine. The one who's paying me rent works, so he pays income tax in order to get paid next month as well, without forcing the state into printing money out of thin air. I'm not working. Why would I pay income tax?

Based on what do you base this assumption of yours?

>tpusa

Move to a state which doesn't have income tax, like Florida.

Fiat currency is inherently worthless. Fractional reserve banking guarantees debt-slavery on a national scale.

Bingo.
Also, an American is not organically liable for the income tax.
There are all sorts of ways you opt in.
It's fraud.
It's collected under article 4 section 2 of the US Constitution and some legal games to make everyone slaves.

Nah, you're delusional.
To maintain a police state, you need police. You can't do it with drones.
You also can't do it with bombs. When you start killing the shit out of your own people that's when another country steps in to "restore order" and "save the people from the oppressive regime".
You should know this, though, as it happened in your country.

The poster I'm responding to suggested:
1. less money for govt (which it uses to pay its employees)
2. force companies to pay its workers more

>You're offering A LOT less taxes
Yes, since income tax is the biggest cash cow for any government bureaucrat. And if it is the biggest source of income for them, someone ends up having that money taken from their pocket.
>is what's necessary to maintain the institutions that exist right now
Ain't that a fine statement. I guess you are fine with everything the government is doing, especially the part where they simply whore themselves out. After all, the institutions need to be saved from the threat of collapse by keeping them afloat by any means necessary.

Why wouldn't your renter just kill you and take your house if there aren't any police? Morality?
Even if it stops him, there's somebody out there who would kill you and take your stuff if they thought they could get away with it.
The state is obliged to protect you because they stop being the state if they don't.
When the state doesn't enforce property rights that's when it gets overthrown.

Well, they will collapse. I don't even think you are denying that. You can choose to hate instructions that directly or indirectly benefiting you, or you can hate mr sheckelberg. Is the choice not obvious here?

The only thing wrong in your line of thinking is, which fucking military force would even attempt going face to face with the US army let alone on US soil. The "restore order" is an American thing to police the world.

That would be amazing. I would stop working and live off of the tax paye....wait

That does not instantly equate hyperinflation simply because people get money. All you have provided is.
>b-but that money is used by the government, they need to eat too
>w-well you probably won't get that money anyway, the corporations are so charitable that they are choosing to pay every single cent of that tax without pushing any of it on you

>pay for alphabet soup agencies budget and pensions
>pay for NATO

No hyperinflation mentioned in the post you're replying to or the one before it - just talking about difference in pay between govt workers and corporation workers.

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Vietcong was thanks to massive Russian support. Taliban has been removed from power, though your great leader is thinking of giving them the power back.

>allowed to work
Well I want to see how they think to stop me, or better, how they think to eat if I stop.

>paying the police to sit in their cars all night listening to sports talk while waiting in their speed traps
Local police aren't funded by income tax, ya dingus.

Thats why I'm ok with paying for services I need.
>I dont work.
>I dont recieve salary
>I dont need to pay income tax so that the state can pay my next salary
>because step 1

You do realize that a significant portion of the military would join the revolt if a civil war occurred, right? Most people don't like to slaughter their countrymen.
They wouldn't be fighting the organized force with incredible logistics and supply chains that exists now.

>t. Cringemaster General

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>not owning a gun
Civilization managed to thrive on the American frontier, and the Wild West wasn't actually all that wild, even with a light police presence

>be me, make $18 an hour
>about $57k per year
lol no.

Ok? What about roads?
I'm really not sure what your argument is here.
You're already not paying income tax, so I don't see what you're complaining about.
As points out, police are paid for by property tax usually.

don't you also have to pay them taxes again a second time?

Piss off, my dude. This isn't post 9/11 Iraqi white guy army men any more.

30% of your troops are women.
20% are trans or gay AF.
55% are brown.

The only revolt you're getting is the one when the orange fuckboy refuses to concede the election and the army helps install Big Liz as Madam President for life.

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Personally, I don't want to have to shoot a man every week to keep my stuff.
Notice that there weren't many niggers in the wild west.

Then work illegally or go out protesting a cut in taxes and social programs.

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>Is the choice not obvious here?
Really, user? You're going to proclaim that he doesn't benefit from the government more than you? Fine, just live on the scraps that you are provided: if you are having difficulties, don't worry, we'll give you a small portion of what you paid us back to you. Let's ignore the fact that the government can't actually give more money than what it has (or even the same amount, given the fact that it has to pay employees) without taking out loans to push the costs for later.

Government workers get pretty huge benefits such as being impossible to remove from their position for shit for doing fuck-all work.

With my overtime, it's closer to 60k.

I'm not calling for any kind of revolt. I like order and stability, even if we don't live in an optimal system.
I'm just saying that if even a quarter of the military defected, that would cripple them. I mean, what percentage would be officers with sensitive information they could pass to foreign officials?
Even brown people don't like to be forced to kill their neighbors. Women especially don't.

You don't live in a vacuum. Ask for a raise if you're not getting enough.

I think you underestimate the brainwashing you go through in the military, defend our freedom from enemies abroad or within the country (not sure of the exact phrasing) meaning they would fucking do it when told to.

>Living in a place with a high nigger population

>people will get more money = money will lose value

No, idiot. Money loses value if more of it is in circulation.

10 people having 100$ and 100 people having 10$ OR 10 people having 50$ and 100 people having 15$ - the amount is the same.

If anytihng, having more moeny will enourage more spending, which means the money to circulate more, ergo, economy benefits.

>work hard get money
>government taxes every dam time
>take from your check
>take when purchasing.
>own a house, pay even more taxes
>fees to just have things connected to the "grid"
>politician says they want smaller government. republican spend on war to make machines to make their voter happy by giving them jobs. dems just give gibs to get votes. all them just want you to pay more taxes. Republican will feed you a lie that cut corporate taxes will solve it all.

Nah I think you do. There is nothing like that.

the top 1% pay 80% of taxes you nigger.

I noticed this as well
leftists really don't get economics

>what about roads
Comes from euro subsidiaries (if the road is new) and the remains of other taxes that are not directly consumed for another service such as property ones.
>what is your argument
More like point I'm trying to make. People should be able to opt out of some taxes. All taxes should go trough the same state organization. 1 universal tax thats made of all former taxes. You go to the ministry of finances and declare you wish to opt out of tax A, B, and C, thus losing benefits X, Y, and Z. Opted out of waste tax? Dont pay it, but dont use garbage bins. Garbage bins will follow the UK system. One for every house + some large ones that are monitored. When caught breaking the deal, you pay a hefty fine. If you need to dispose of something that cant be burned/needs special treatment like hazardous go to the garbage center and pay them a salty fee to take care of it.
>you're already not paying income tax
I am. National Income Agency counts everything you get as income. Rent included. Not declaring income is tax evasion and will fuck you up big time when caught

Yeah, most privates are only really loyal to guys one or two ranks up. That's why written orders need to be given so often.
If any officers decided to defect (and they would, since the army doesn't officially use IQ to determine who gets to be an officer, but it effectively does), most of their men would follow them.

is this what goys actually believe

Well yeah, rent money is income.
It's not a tax on labor, it's a tax on income.
You're complaining that you don't get to get as much free money for the non-work that you do.
I thought Jews were the greediest people on Earth, but apparently it's the Bulgarians.

I'm not saying none of them would stand up, but most won't.

Where would you take your garbage? Don't you receive gibs from the government seeing you don't work?

You think Russia et al wouldn't support a redneck revolt? The moment shots are fired, the knives come out for a slice of the American pie.
>Taliban has been removed from power
Everywhere outside of Kabul belongs to the Taliban, fool. A car bomb went off and killed a US soldier just today. What a dunce you are. I'm done conversing with you. Go read a book, nigger.

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No shit I'm complaining. My free money is being taken away by someone who did even less than I to earn. Maintaining a building isnt as easy as one might think so there is investment
>jews are not the greediest its the bulgarians
Always trying to be more jewish than the Jew is the key to a good life.
>where would you take your garbage
I burn it. If I don't have a place to burn garbage, I dont opt out of the garbage tax.
>dont you receive gibs since you dont work?
No because on paper gibs are for those who cant survive otherwise. I dont qualify so no gibs for me. Also I'm relatively white compared to the gyppos

your tax subsidizes every single walmart worker in the country

but im sure
>hospital bills for female soldiers who get knocked up on active duty
is more significant

Without tax, how u gonna pay the cops retard