So what does Jow Forums think about abortion? Should it be legal?

A totalitarian state can.

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Abortions should only be allowed in case of rape, and you need prove that you were actually raped, like a police report or something.
>inb4 b-b-but think about all the children who will get born into extreme poverty that the parents won't be able to take care of them
Should've thought about that before getting cum inside of your vagina, stacy-san.

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Well if abortions become illegal, nigger population will skyrocket. Gotta take that into account.

Compulsory for nonwhites.

Illegal for white woman having white children.

Didn't Canadians do the sterilisation thing with their natives? We just need some political will to push this.

you could always move to china or NK

We're developing artificial wombs, that can take care of fetuses, after a while of being in an actual womb.
I'd whole hearty support this, than ending a life.
Put them up for adoption, there are families that can't have babies. Make sure you monitor said families after they take them in.

>NEED MUH FREEDOMS YOU STUPID COMMIE BASTARD!!

>I just want to fuck my stacy 24-7 and never have to worry abut a kid
>IT'S MUH GOD GIVEN RITE!

my guess is you're not actual 'finish' I'd expect more from Finland. I'm guessing your some sort of third-world dindu that made it's way in because of the fucking EU.

what are you talking about, finnish people are very socially liberal. we just want to be left alone and you can do whatever you want as long as youre not harming others

i use contraception but i also recognize what happens to society in 20 years when tons of unwanted babies are born

Legality depends on childs race

You'd kick out the undesirables before you ban abortion...
I thought that'd be common sense...

I think it's great psychopaths and soulless demons are encouraged to dehumanize and murder their own children. What a great time to be alive.

you cant kick out people who are citizens. furthermore how do you define an "undesirable"?

What race?

This. If abortion was made illegal 50 years ago, America would be nigger land and have gone broke.

>lack of abortions lead to unwanted children breaking down society. guess youll have to decide which is the bigger evil here
Society was just fine prior to abortions being legal. There was no nbreakdown occurring. That occurred afterwards.

Where ever has lack of abortions destroyed society?

>i use contraception but i also recognize what happens to society in 20 years when tons of unwanted babies are born
Give an example of this mythical breakdown of society.

>This. If abortion was made illegal 50 years ago, America would be nigger land and have gone broke.
The idea of it being undesirable to have kids at a young age has afflicted whites more than any other group. And that idea was pushed as a prerequisite for abortion rights.

things arent like they were in the 50s anymore. western societies have moved away from religion dogma that essentially acted as a form of contraceptive. whether or not thats a good thing is besides the point, the reality is it happened and its not coming back. you have to stop living in the past and start living in the present

also youre from america, you should be very familiar with impoverished kids living in ghettos and what they do when they grow up. now imagine that problem but 5 times as big

>western societies have moved away from religion dogma that essentially acted as a form of contraceptive.
Wait what? Religious dogma encouraged having kids. I'm guessing you meant the opposite.

>whether or not thats a good thing is besides the point, the reality is it happened and its not coming back. you have to stop living in the past and start living in the present
Let's skip to the chase and live in the future where we are all being replaced by AI and killed off. PROGRESS!

>lso youre from america, you should be very familiar with impoverished kids living in ghettos and what they do when they grow up. now imagine that problem but 5 times as big
Imagine whites having a higher birthrate. Imagine whites still having large families like they used to.

Legal but should always be a last resort and never as an alternative to birth control or abstinence. Anyone encouraging otherwise should be permanently ostracized from society.

>Religious dogma encouraged having kids
religious dogma also encouraged no sex before marriage and marital sex only for the purpose of procreation
>Let's skip to the chase and live in the future where we are all being replaced by AI and killed off. PROGRESS!
straw man. we all have specific periods in history where we think things were perfect and we should return to those times, if you want that your job is to try and convince the public why thats a good thing. and im sorry to say but you simply cannot do that when it comes to sex
>Imagine whites having a higher birthrate. Imagine whites still having large families like they used to
you really dont get it do you? people have not having kids because they want to get their finances in order first. banning abortion isnt going to lead in big, healthy families. quite the opposite

Yes but only for non-whites.

Learn to code

>>Religious dogma encouraged having kids
>religious dogma also encouraged no sex before marriage and marital sex only for the purpose of procreation
So? People got married early. That was great.

>straw man. we all have specific periods in history where we think things were perfect and we should return to those times, if you want that your job is to try and convince the public why thats a good thing. and im sorry to say but you simply cannot do that when it comes to sex
We're being outbred and we were told to not breed. We're treated like dogs.

>you really dont get it do you? people have not having kids because they want to get their finances in order first. banning abortion isnt going to lead in big, healthy families. quite the opposite
That's part of the propaganda. People have plenty of money to have kids, they are just intentionally being fooled that it would be wrong to do so. People had kids in much worse circumstances in the past. All of us had some ancestors that were born in the most dire of circumstances.

You're just absorbing and regurgitating memes that were literally designed to lower the birthrate.

>Learn to code
And compete with Indians earning literally $200 per month.

i can feel my iq being lowered for every sentence i read from you, youre too indoctrinated into your white genocide narrative to ever change your mind

>Europeans intimately understand that abortion is a form of voluntary, socially acceptable eugenics
>American retards come in and shit up the thread with "MUH JEEBUS! WHY DON'T IRRESPONSIBLE NIGS JUST STOP HAVING SEX? WE SHOULD JUST HAVE THE DAY OF THE ROPE FIRST BEFORE WE EVEN CONSIDER BANNING ABORTION"

The USA is doomed

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hi there

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If abortion is illigal they would just do it illigaly.

A lot of niglets will not see this world because of abortion.

A lot of white babies will not see the world because of abortion.

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>Should it be legal?
Only for third worlders. Before any of them are allowed into Western countries they should be sterilized.

I would prefer to create a perfect society where abortion is never necessary because nobody is a hedonist that fucks irresponsibly.
However, since that is only a dream for now I will agree that it should be legal but limited. You can only abort in like the first month or so, but only so that women don't hurt themselves even more by performing illegal operations.

Generally not a good thing, taking my mistress for one this afternoon however...

And it’s real funny that it took off so much/was legalised in countries when we started importing people from shitholes en mass. Really makes you think.

>i can feel my iq being lowered for every sentence i read from you, youre too indoctrinated into your white genocide narrative to ever change your mind
You are limited to pop culture memes. You're defending and promoting things you've never seriously thought about critically.

Life is an evolutionary struggle. Competitive memes to make others not reproduce is part of it.

Ahh, the eternal incel.

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in that case im sure youll have lots of healthy white babies while i wont reproduce

Oh you mean the truth? Look at stats and the percent of whites expected in our own countries. Don't kid yourself because you don't want to look at the problem. If whites don't turn things around soon and start looking out for each other-we're fucked.

I don't give a fuck if it happens before 12 weeks cos then there is no heart beat, it has the size of a bean and it also looks like a bean.
I also don't feel guilty for all those poor sperm cells that get wasted each time I have an orgasm.
And usually just by looking at the mother you know that an abortion would be the best thing that could happen to the kid.

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Double doubles dealing diminutive death

"Wanted" children are worse lol. We don't have a unnatended/abandoned/orphan children problem, we have a spoiled good-for-nothing only son problem.

Sterilization is better.

>in that case im sure youll have lots of healthy white babies while i wont reproduce
Even if you do reproduce, you'll go for the "quality over quantity meme" without thinking about it enough to realize that each child is a rolling of the dice. You are not likely getting high quality unless you roll it many times.

Even though that is a basic implication from evolution, since you haven't been told that explicitly by society you cannot think it.

Instead you will be happy knowing you're not a "lower class" and not one of those "mindless breeders".

i cant even begin to imagine someone who thinks you need many children to have one "high quality" one, like jesus christ you are psychotic. but on the plus side your mind will change quite rapidly if you ever do manage to get your firstborn

Mostly true.
Sometimes these bitches regret their abortion but only when it's too late. Makes them not-so-cool wine aunties

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>i cant even begin to imagine someone who thinks you need many children to have one "high quality" one,
Learn basic biology. I know that normally you require mass media to declare something as true for you to think it, but to get a high chance of a good mix of your DNA and your spouse you need to make many children. Each child is basically an evolutionary mixing experiment.

I know you would have to see this easily verifiable fact in mass media repeated 10 times for it to even be considered. And that is how a good little robot has been trained to "think".

I wonder how many women have had multiple abortions.

abortion is basically the genocide of the unborn

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I think that number is still rather ok within the most 'decent' population.
Did you know that in many countries the morning after pill is also included in the abortion stats? Personally I don't think that's abortion

like i said, on the plus side your mind will change quite rapidly if you ever do manage to get your firstborn. i hate to call people incels but thats honestly the first and only thing that comes to my head when i read your posts

>Did you know that in many countries the morning after pill is also included in the abortion stats?
I did not and I agree that it is not abortion. Preventing fertilization is just birth control.

I need to correct myself here. It's 8 weeks instead of 12.

unborn babies get a heartbeat after the first month, not 8-12 weeks

>like i said, on the plus side your mind will change quite rapidly if you ever do manage to get your firstborn
Children being something to regret or hate is only a meme literally given to you by society. People had large families quite easily and enjoyed it.

It's only if you are afraid to properly manage your family (via punishment if necessary). And society tells you not to.

Stop believing the retardation society pushes as fact and start thinking for yourself. Thinking for yourself is not merely evaluating sources, but spending lots of time thinking/resting and coming up with your own ideas when appropriate.

your entire argument for having a large family was to get the "high quality" child, youre the one who is showing remarkable stunt in emotional growth and are projecting your feelings onto me

Child sacrifice pushed by jews to turn women into godless baby murderers and enable their promiscuous lifestyle.
The ritual killing of the most innocent beings. A sign of the end times.

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>your entire argument for having a large family was to get the "high quality" child, youre the one who is showing remarkable stunt in emotional growth and are projecting your feelings onto me
You need to grow out of caring about creating a child who will be superior? You got this from mass media. Everything you think and feel you got from mass media. And you cannot defend any of it. It is an assertion/assumption. It is considered true by you just because it was in mass media.

You are a great demonstration of how propaganda works.

The main reason why people used to have more children is not because they loved them but because they were useful.
My grandmother had 13 brothers and sisters because they had a farm. As from the age of 6 you were supposed to help on the field. People who were living in a city usually had smaller families

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Court decision only. People should be responsible and not fuck each other without proper contraception out of wedlock.

everyone who supports abortion should be retro
actively aborted. including OP, dilate and have
sex.

I read your ID as "to get erect D"

>i cant even begin to imagine someone who thinks you need many children to have one "high quality" one,
Where is this coming from? Agriculture has always required a large family for cheap labor.

Abort then sterilize.

>as "to get erect D"
do you get erect over dead babies, user ?

>You are a great demonstration of how propaganda works.
either that, or im a great demonstration of someone who already has children and am completely appalled by your approach to the subject
its a good thing we live in current year then isnt it?

a human bean is a human bean
going throuhg a vagina doesn't make it magically human. It's human from the start. Disagreeing with that is just fundamentally wrong

so now, if you agree with that, it's a matter of agreeing with killing humans for "benefit" of society. If you're ok with that - logically I have no problem with you. If you're not ok with that, but ok with abortion - you're a moron

Abortion should be banned and state-enforced pregnancy should be implemented. We need to improve our demographics numbers.

>The main reason why people used to have more children is not because they loved them but because they were useful.
>My grandmother had 13 brothers and sisters because they had a farm. As from the age of 6 you were supposed to help on the field. People who were living in a city usually had smaller families
This is just a meme. You can both love your children and work together as a team. It's part of the idea of "unconditional love" which says you should love people for literally no reason, which destroys people because you should love people for usefulness (which includes evolutionary survival), but also they should work with you.

Love was divorced from all useful meaning. And once again what you are giving me is a meme that society gave you that has no support whatsoever.

In the city maybe some people could not afford to have more kids but these days you can and people are now restrained by propaganda while they used to be constrained by inability to support their kids.

only for niggers

>either that, or im a great demonstration of someone who already has children and am completely appalled by your approach to the subject
Your approach to the subject is how you were trained by mass media.

What about this?

cultureshiftforlife.com/2013/08/18/is-an-abortion-based-sexual-fetish-immoral/

sure thing user. hit me up and let me know how your quest of breeding the "high quality" child goes once you start a family

it should be mandatory for French, German, English, Spanish and Turkish

>sure thing user. hit me up and let me know how your quest of breeding the "high quality" child goes once you start a family
Nothing about trying to ensure you get good combinations of DNA requires you to not support any of your children.

The option of abortion creates promiscuity in society because girls can just yolo their babies out. If it weren't for non-whites I would support banning abortion 100% but I'm just meh on it because of them.

that's a strawman argument
in Poland there are almost no abortions. I don't see anywhere any unwanted children death squads roaming around. And society doesn't seem to be breaking down.

Not if theyre white no

Should killing the unborn be legal? What the fuck, OP?

When I hear the stories my grandmother tells me it's not a meme. I'm not claiming it isn't but in her case it was.
To give you an idea: they got beaten up and a lot of times for no reason or almost no reason. She had mixed feelings when her dad died cos she lost her dad but also the beatings ended.

but do you love them equally?

Only if I personally get to perform the abortions with my dick.

Sounds like your grandma had some angry, shitty parents.
My grandparents had 12 kids or so, mainly because religion, my grandpa was a horndog and they needed extra hands. Kids were useful, but they also loved them to bits.
Spankings weren't uncommon, but that's because hoping life will teach your kids is retarded.
Ever see a four-year-old do something dangerous and then the parents go "Timmy, dont do that, you'll get hurt!"
But Timmy does it again, doesn't get hurt by chance and that's life telling little Timmy that his parents are not only full of shit, they also won't stop him.

>but do you love them equally?
You can. To avoid strife between them you should definitely be fair. It's just going to lead to them destroying each other if you are not.

>When I hear the stories my grandmother tells me it's not a meme. I'm not claiming it isn't but in her case it was.
>To give you an idea: they got beaten up and a lot of times for no reason or almost no reason. She had mixed feelings when her dad died cos she lost her dad but also the beatings ended.
It is because in high stress situations they have to inflict punishment in order to keep their children in line. If they are not so stressed out perhaps they can be more careful.

You may object, but they had to succeed as a family.

and leftists accuse us of being edgy

lets really get down to this then. whats the purpose of you breeding the perfect spawn? and how do you know when youve achieved that?

I think abortion should be mandatory, and that there should be mobile abortion clinics that follow women around and conduct snap pregnancy tests.

The opposition to punishment makes large families impossible and gives people the idea that children are little brats.

I was NOT a little brat. I was fortunate that I was punished very FAIRLY and had time to defend my case each time I was accused of something. But since I was punished very fairly I neither became a psychopath (due to arbitrariness) and I behaved well (to avoid punishment).

And I learned to not only behave with my brother, but also learned to cooperate and help him improve because that made him more of an interesting playmate.

>lets really get down to this then. whats the purpose of you breeding the perfect spawn? and how do you know when youve achieved that?
You don't. And the purpose is the evolutionary competition. To try to create spawn that will succeed and survive in the world.