There is no morality, there are only actions which DO or DO NOT further one's goals.
>but that's destructive
Acting to further one's goals doesn't preclude cooperation- what it DOES mean is that one should be certain their actions, directly or indirectly
One's goals are not sufficient reasons to act corruptly. We all have goals. Why should I murder you to achieve mine which are no less petty than your own? Nay, I say unto you Juden:
There is no good or evil, only need and want. What is necessary for the health of a creature becomes the Religion it pursues out of necessity, and what causes a one to stray from this path are his wants. When need and want are aligned we experience the sensation of goodness, and when the want overpowers the need we experience evil.
So you're a nigger then. Okay, thanks for letting us know.
>corruption
Nice appeal to consensus. Bet you also think that terrorists are much different than soldiers- when the only difference is who has the most powerful team.
No, that's not the only difference, you 80 IQ imbecile.
>Bet you also think
Nice deflection from my post. Yea, behold:
When the needs of a creature cause him to neglect his wants he falls into suffering, or "evil," and likewise when the wants are pursued moreso than his needs he experiences suffering, or "evil." Therefore, discover your individual needs and balance them against your wants, and this is good. But to balance your wants against the needs of others is Godly.
Worse.
He's a kike-demon, a literal manifestation of Satans children on Earth.
I'm not seeing a difference.
Wrong
>Deflection
Wrong. I'm pointing out a fallacy
You failed to address the points of my argument and instead created a strawman to attack.
OP you're a fucking moron. 5 year old kids know that Good and Evil exist and have a real, tangible presence in the world. What does it say about you that you never learned this?
what a spooky post
Wants and needs are both manifestations of the will, their only difference is urgency
>But to balance your wants against the needs of others is Godly.
why?
meant for
>There is no morality, there are only actions which DO or DO NOT further one's goals.
This is a true statement of the perception of the jew. they have no grasp of the concept of truth or morals. They are completely malignant sub species of humanity that is only capable of considering whether their actions benefit themselves or harm themselves. This is why they all need to be gassed.
>there are no absolutes!
>he says, being absolutely sure
>Truth
This is objective
>Morals
This is subjective
>why?
If it is my desire to become wealthy then I may pursue my goal and rob from whomsoever I choose, whether they themselves are wealthy or not. Why should I take bread from a struggling family only to feed myself because I am too lazy to work? But if my goal is wealth and refuse to acquire it through corruption then I am placing the needs of others before my wants. This is not something the animals do or consider in Nature, only man is capable of such deeper thought, and when he does indeed think in such a way he elevates himself above the beasts and becomes like God.
Yeah im kinda with this dude. I get it kinda but all of this philosophical nonsense thats literally 14-15 level stuff just makes you guys sound corny.
>Urgency
Exactly. Americans only understand Black and White. Dealing with shades is grey would require them to admit that there is no good and evil
>This is subjective
So? subjective and non-existent are two different things.
>>there are no absolutes!
Never said that.
Very jewish of you, mr. goldberg. Morality is derived from the will of a higher creator. We lived by his words for centuries and society flourished. Now for the past few decades we have had the hubris to rebuke these morals and claim we are smarter than the billions who followed them and upheld them before us -- only to have society enter a mass cultural decline and be thrust into hedonism and decadence.
Heavily implied
you are living, breathing proof of the existence of evil
Only YOU can do your part in ending the practice of circumcision within your cult.
>>This is subjective
>So? subjective and non-existent are two different things.
Fine. I'll put that there is no OBJECTIVE morality next time, even though the OP explains it.
What shade of grey is this?
Alright, Jewish shill thread reviewer here to review this thread. The premise, very unoriginal, but a good effort. It touches on a very basic existential question that would only make normies have an existential crisis. One thing I think you could improve on is hiding that Israel flag with a memeflag or VPN. Also, try not to be explicit in your manipulations, make it psychological. The far-right normies will simply see the Israel flag and yell “JEWISH SHILL THREAD!” Overall, I rate this thread a 8.4/10, there’s definitely room for improvement, but the idea isn’t terrible.
no, your op says without qualification that there is no morality. You go on to claim that there is no good or evil. Have you ever considered that you may be a sociopath? Sociopaths don't understand morality or empathy and your tribe is well known for breeding lunatics. Maybe you're one of those defectives.
this thread is a 3 at best. What's new or original about a jew arguing postmodernism?
Morality is objective though. Good and Evil have a physical presence in the world. The proof is literally everywhere. You're like a kid covering his ears and shutting his eyes to the truth. If you still won't admit it then why don't you meet me in a dark alley somewhere and then you'll have your proof.
You are already dead, nothing you do matters or will ever matter.
Morality is a goal, though.
You fucking kike, your kind will all suffer and be extinguished. In minecraft of course.
Going to shove them screaming into ovens.
...in Minecraft.
>becomes like God
*becomes like the judeo-christian notion of a god
Why not be like a beast?
There's no higher principle of man, it replicates to feed desires and the will.
There's something to say about denying this process of replication, as it's an absolute denial of existence in itself. But either way is absurd.
Might as well affirm life
>*becomes like the judeo-christian notion of a god
The Judeo-Christian notion of a god is corrupt and stolen from a much older Aryan spiritual tradition.
>There's no higher principle of man, it replicates to feed desires and the will.
The cattle desires to graze, the will of the pig to roll in mud, and the bird to sing. But man alone is gifted with the ability to change his goals and to reshape his True Will. To do deny man's innate ability to do nothing less than return him to the level of beast, much to his shame.
>But man alone is gifted with the ability to change his goals and to reshape his True Will
Do tell me more. How that works.
>morality is morality
>this is a profound insight that means people shouldn't consider the wellbeing of the group they live in
There's a number of tools a man may use to reshape his will and even change his wants. I've seen drug addicts completely change their lives with both religion and psychology. But regardless of the method use of transmuting one's core, the true desire to change must exist first.
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>The Judeo-Christian notion of a god is corrupt and stolen from a much older Aryan spiritual tradition.
this changes nothing
>But man alone is gifted with the ability to change his goals and to reshape his True Will. To do deny man's innate ability to do nothing less than return him to the level of beast, much to his shame.
Yes the experience of the sublime is the only way to break the grip of will.
This is an option, to deny life in it's horror. Suicide or asceticism are valid reactions to life.
But there is only one other option, which is succumbing to the metaphysical Will. Which wills only its own continuation.
A desire derives itself from the Will in all cases, when a man sacrifices himself for the good of others he does it in the interest of the Will. To seek their continuation, and thus the continuation of the Will.
So if it is impossible to act in a life-affirming way without pleasing the Will, what responsbility should I have toward the individual Will of others. Besides as it relates to the pleasures of my own Will.
>transmuting one's core
Been there done that many times. Still nothing really changes. Is still a electrochemical hallucination of life, you just see it more clearly for what it is and how pathetic it all is.
Sounds like someone needs to read about universally preferable behavior.
>this changes nothing
It changes the context in which we place the God and the perspective through which we view the concept.
>This is an option, to deny life in it's horror. Suicide or asceticism are valid reactions to life.
I oppose neither suicide nor asceticism if it is the True Will of the individual, but I do say that one philosophy and one way of living in this fallen kosher world is superior to the others, as is in Nature; that because there are many religions and many ways of living, this produces competition, and competition produces the superior. The wise one will seek out the superior even though it may contradict his inferior world views.
>So if it is impossible to act in a life-affirming way without pleasing the Will, what responsbility should I have toward the individual Will of others. Besides as it relates to the pleasures of my own Will.
That is the crux of the argument. The Will may be composed of anything, both the entirely perverse and the altruistic. Man may shape his Will into anything he chooses, and this choice creates competition, and again: competition breeds the superior. I say then that it is superior to balance your wants against the needs of others and to expect them to balance their wants against your needs. This results in order.
Ok Voldemort, relax
>This results in order
Your body cant keep order down to the tiniest size, yet you expect it on a higher level?
Lol, get lost jimmy. It's much too late to sell this anti religion to us now. Out out out.
The body is a product of the physical world, the Mind of the "spiritual" or mental. It should not be your body that forces your Mind to think in a certain way but the Mind which must cause your body to act according to your Principle.
You can split it, i know it as only 1 thing.
No. Shut up.
Feeling is the link in man to God.
We feel out way to God's truth-- this is called "doing good".
Thats why i again believe in God, and all his creation as good.
It is only one thing when you have mastered both. Then the body and the mind work together.
is that the hit or miss girl
Except evil does exist, and man must be ceaselessly vigilant against it.
By mastering everything becomes more connected till you end with 1.
Nope it dosnt evil is just POV of a event.
>subjective morality
your*
You aren't wrong.
>I bet you think (strawman)
You are correct. I love that the Jew can't even logic correctly anymore but needs to pretend he's keeping to rational debate. It's all so tiresome.
>That is the crux of the argument. The Will may be composed of anything, both the entirely perverse and the altruistic. Man may shape his Will into anything he chooses, and this choice creates competition, and again: competition breeds the superior. I say then that it is superior to balance your wants against the needs of others and to expect them to balance their wants against your needs. This results in order.
But what if it is not my Will to appease the Will in an absolute sense.
That is the 'Collective Will' in an imposter, the Will is as much in me as it is in the overarching moralities that propagate civilization. It does not matter which Will I follow, so I choose to Will myself to a higher order. That does not mean it is necessarily a selfish thing, but it does not have to be contingent on a moral system at all. It is all a manifestation of the same Will.
In the sense that morality is an absolute transcendent system which we follow, it is not real. But in the sense that morality is an immanent feature of the will to propagate itself, I agree.
But that does not necessitate that I follow its current manifestation in the world.
Wrong. And you are much too late trying to push this now. Praise God.
I do praise God, the question is if you praise the same God.
Beware of those who call good evil and evil good.
If you think there's no evil, can we finally put this holocaust issue aside?
Either you aim at serving the whole (which is God's will), or you aim at serving a single will (your own). This is the essence of good and evil.
BOTH good and evil seek to balance wills and interests. This increases complexity, and hence increases value. Increased value serves the whole of good, or a single will, if evil.
The strange spiritual truth is the nature of pure evil.
It is a will.
There can only be one. Anything else is word games.
Correct.
S/can/is
There is only the Will. You are the Will. The body, the mind, the emotions or passions, these all create the Will. Philosophies, politics, religions, virtues and vices.. these are all expressions of the Will. If your will is to turn against society then become an aesthetic. And if your will is to destroy this wicked world then become an hero and the world will no longer exist for you. But I say that all men in his variety are at the fundamental level identical and each will creates the larger Collective Will. There is a difference between what someone desires and what he Wills. The True Will must be pursued and discovered by the individual, and when he has finally glimpsed it, he will see that his Will is the Will of the World.
No if there is a "the will", that's God.
We humans partake of God, in our way.
I don't disagree only caution to think outside of the theological box. God and other religious themes are not invalid but they are made useless and even fowl when the man refuses to view these concepts correctly.
Good are the methods used to create love.
Evil are the methods used to destroy love.
God is not made useless by man's failures in philosophy.
good dialectic
I think we're at a point of mostly agreeing.
The will as immanent manifestation in a social sense is valid
but it's character is not determined
you can call it whatever you want
God, Nature, Will, Desire etc.
If we're talking immanent monism of "god" or "will", we're talking about the same thing.
If I present to you some complex mathematical formulae but you are not even aware that 2+2 is 4, then no matter how truthful and even splendid my formulae is, then left with you it becomes useless. And should you not understand it but attempt to withdraw additional truths therefrom, it becomes perverse and fowl.
For sure. I think we're on the same page and have enjoyed our conversation.
i wonder that too its why im here i never even read thread
"What we're talking about" can only be established in specific contexts. The time is coming when "choosing God" will have a definite and unambiguous meaning. That coming context is the decisive context.
Evil, as will, is emerging.
God is not a formula. God is living.
If God is living then we say that God is not death. If we say that God is not also death then we say death is the absence of God. And finally, if we say that death is the absence of God then God is not omnipresent.
>fowl
Chick it out!
How would you justify raping babies?
Morality exists just by there being a word sure in many cases it may not be logical but it's still exists. Your morality consists of refusing to distinguish between good and evil. That's not an actual rebuttal to the existence of good and evil, it's just lazy. Good and evil despite having widely accepted norms are largely dependent on the individual. Even if you believe that nothing you or others do is good or evil, other people believe actions are good or evil, so they still exist.
Even so there are certain acts that can be deemed evil without exception. Like those done for no reason other than to inflict suffering. Sure there could be no god and none of it matters in the end, but nonetheless the action was committed with evil as it's intent. Same goes for good. To sit there and say there is no morality is like announcing you are socially retarded incapable of recognizing the existence of other people and their emotions.
That's a complex matter, it would seem. Clearly, God has made some sort of allowance for death. And this, we take it, is a consequence of the freedom of His creatures (on all levels).
In any case, the logical problem can be resolved easily enough. Remove the excluded middle constraint from life and death vis a vis God, for example.
I tell you the truth: Even the Word exclaims this truth.
>"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when you have succeeded, you make them twice as much a child of hell as you are.
Matthew 23:15
It is one thing to know the word "God" and to know the general idea, and this is Knowledge, but it's quite another to have Wisdom and Understanding. Knowledge without Wisdom and Understand produces perversion, and Wisdom with Understanding can not exist without Knowledge.
I think you're right and again Scripture tells us the truth of the matter. We live in a perverse (and fowl) reality but mankind can correct it. If our goal is to live a good life, die, and go to Heaven as the Christian pronounce, then we are perverse (and fowl). For Scripture says
>On Earth as it is in Heaven
We must make our Will to re-design our physical reality to reflect what is in the Beyond.
Another thread ruined by the schizo retard who can’t figure out how to make a thread.
Are you from the lineage of Sabbatai Zevi or Jacob Frank?