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im interested too. who is the best example of nationalism throughout history?

>Antispiral the earth

That GL reference

This chart should help

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>I find the racial purity spiralling and germanocentrism of NatSoc offputting and cringy.

Agree.

He didn’t ask if it was “good” (Reddit tier term in this context), you fucking numbskull.

>who is the best example of nationalism throughout history

Napoleon Bonaparte?

Start with Benito Mussolini's autobiography. Also read Origins and Doctrine of Fascism by Giovanni Gentile. Read the NSDP Party Programme and finally watch Cultured Thug on bitchute. He's an actual Fascist and isn't a larping faggot.

>is it simply an extremist expression of Patriotism?
Its part of it. And "extremist" is a bit misleading, since i think non-faschistic patriotism like american "MURIKA, FUCK YEA, ISRAEL IS MY GREATEST ALLY" types or any other modern state shades of it are misguided patriotism, but patriotism still.

Central point of fascism is to brutally do away with internal contradictions and civil unrest of a state by modern means. This does not mean ethno-worship outright: Fascisms central point is to be tailored to every country individually. Italian fascist for an example saw race as meaningless concepts, while german ones were very peticular about theirs. Lybian and middle eastern expressions of fascism, and the Israeli ones all express the particular ethnic quirks and like of their foundational state that can vary and even contradict wildly.

Part of it comes from the fact that anything that is not communism or capitalism inevitably is slandered with the word, so both Spanish Christian Capitalism under Franco, Hitlers Germany, Mussolinis Italy, Communist Yugoslavia and Trump America are all labeled as such.

But the most concise version of fascism is: Everything is fucked up, our current social order will doom us to death and eternal slavery to foreign powers, drastic change has to be done.

Why hello professor nosenstein. Did it take you long to come up with this idea of how to bait out opinions? You know, you needn't have bothered. Actual fascists aren't ashamed of their ideology. They'll just tell you what they think.

It's a model in which love of nation (in whatever way nation is understood) leads to maintenance of the land of that nation through strong ecological practices. It's ecofascism when it both is arranged by the state and extends from love of nation. As fascism is authoritarian it's often described as authoritarian environmentalism though, making it easy to use as a pejorative.

I hope that helped.

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Damn thats a good chart. Should un-human be called hypohuman, since the other is hyperhuman?

FPBP

>Part of it comes from the fact that anything that is not communism or capitalism inevitably is slandered with the word, so both Spanish Christian Capitalism under Franco, Hitlers Germany, Mussolinis Italy, Communist Yugoslavia and Trump America are all labeled as such.

Also the fact that Mussolini changed his views during his life while still considering himself fascist and so there is no consistent view of the term between academia despite recognizing Mussolini as the origin of it.

I don't believe so
The birthplace of fascism was arguably the Fiume Free State, which was an independant and fairly cosmopolitan place.
The SS in Germany was developing into its own society and people, parallel to Germany.
In the US you even have white separatists, who aim to collapse the US state, and create a nation exclusively for whites. I'd say none of that is incompatible with fascism, so extreme patriotism can't be a good descriptor

What you are describing seems to be America in the 50's though. And America int he 50's was mostly one race.

I understand all of this except the Miyazaki Patchwork

As I said, whites should have white countries and blacks should have black countries. My issue with NatSoc is the intracaucasian purity spiralling (Germanics are more white than Latins who are more white than West/South Slavs who are more white that East Slavs). All are white and all should have their nations to do with as they please. The inevitable infighting resulting from this purity spiral leads to weakening and collapse.

Mussolini's fascism is far more ideologically stable and grounded in reality than NatSoc is (even if I disagree with the irredentist claims on our clay, I can still appreciate the man and his thought)

Here.

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Thanks for the honest answers so far.

>Finding unbiased, unaugmented books about Fascism/Nazism
>Israel
I think you can ascertain a certain issue here. >Good/bad dichotomy
Only a true autist would attempt to approach any historical element with such childish lenses. I asked my professor in the hopes that maybe he would at least attempt to be impartial - but to no avail.

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Also America was just culturally homogenous and prosperous in the 50s, but it was still a federal republic with a fully functioning democracy, so you can't exactly call it fascist.

Fascism requires a charismatic leader who actually wants to improve the lot of the people and who has an unrestrained mandate to do so. The US president has restrictions on his authority and thus is not a fascist type leader.

You should have asked about the racial superiority of the kikes - hed go on for hours about the glory of the kike shit and the lowlyness of the goyim

Pentti Linkola is the answer

youtube.com/watch?v=CCd6qisIFKo&t

youtube.com/watch?v=pcL0J_ndaUc

Considering the past, Christians are in no way immune to purity spiralling themselves in europe.

Problem with christian fascism is that people are nowdays largely irreligious in most western countries, and while religion was previously a useful delineator between ethnicities, you are now put between a largely irreligious majority, and some fringes fucking about.
Also Christianity alone has been so liberalized, both protestant and catholic versions of it that you have racialists rooting for based black cardinals of africa who say faggots should be burned over swedish female pastors who marry disabled muslims in their churches.

So correct me if I'm wrong - Fascism is centered around the nationalist imperative, (which greatly benefits from being ethnically homogeneous), while Nazism is essentially centered around the racial homogeneity itself?

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nazism is national socialism, the racial aspect is only one component.

I'd honestly read hitler's own teachings on what national socialism is. He published quite a bit of material on it.

Everyone wants a nation of their own, that’s the essence of Fascism, but that kind of existence won’t last forever, and it’s not even preferable. To become stronger one needs to expand, and that inevitably brings the nation into contact.

Just to help you understand the German racialism, I need you to understand natural selection, if you already do you know that it is required for a species to survive, an example would be perhaps two deer in a forest, one is naturally faster than the other, they are attacked by wolves, the slower of the two is brought down, and killed, but the faster escapes, and reproduces to make the entire species faster. The modern world, and it’s laws, and technology have removed this, we no longer have this kind of selection, we have dysgenics where the worst of society breed endlessly, NatSoc in Germany attempted to carry out eugenics, and directed selection to advance the race, and make it stronger. While cold, and scientific, the logic is honourable and solid.

kill yourself

>expecting to find fascism on the one part of the internet that has been arguing against political violence since 2016.

If you want to.know what real fascism looks like, look to people attacking and trying to silence people who don't agree with them politically, including journalists - AntiFa.

Mussolini was an atheist or at the very least didn’t follow any religion, actual Fascism places very little importance on religion, it’s only some versions that care, and Germany realised the faults in Christianity, and the SS even planned on reviving the old faiths to replace it.

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That's another flaw with NatSoc in my opinion. Eternal war is BAD and NatSoc Germany went in a too cruel direction with their eugenics program than was necessary. You can't force evolution, it happens as a response to outside stimuli.

Again I agree that the postmodern dysgenics is an absolute nightmare, but NatSoc eugenics is just swinging from one extreme to another.

My ideal state would be an ecofascist, Christian and isolationist state. One that promoted autarky and self reliance as much as possible and engaged in trade only when absolutely necessary. One that seeks to make its citizens happy, healthy and fulfilled. I'd also integrate some kind of Starship Trooper-esque meritocratic decision making where different citizenship tiers bring more rights and priviledges but also more responsibilities as well. Also, the state would be draconic on crime and especially on organized crime as organized crime would constitute a concerted effort to subvert the state, and thus all members of an org crime syndicate are guilty of high treason and are to be shot by default.

>Jew is biased against fascism
No shit Shlomo

Fascism = Italian ideology centered around either a radical return to traditionalism or a radical transformation to futurism (depending on the optimism of the person you ask, regarding how the future, especially regarding religiousity, will fair).
Modern Fascism = Meme. Kikes in burgerland have been memeing that anyone slightly rightwing is a nyatzhees or a fasheest. So people had to explain to themselves what they meant and since national socialism has to do with race and fascism generally doesn't, it is now regarded by burgers that you can be a national socialist in the current year if you are a white nationalist and if you're simply a traditionalist or that if you simply support a strong government, be it right or left leaning, you're a fascist.
Eco-fascism = Memers that have been carried away by the above mentioned meme and have integrated it with their personal pagan/ecologist beliefs.

>You can't force evolution, it happens as a response to outside stimuli.
>government policy is not an outside stimulus

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Fascism is everything for the nation, ( A homogeneous nation has the effect of making a nation stronger) but National Socialism is everything for the race, and the point of the nation, and state should be primarily for the benefit of the race (a strong, and authoritarian state has more control, and strength politically to do this) so Fascism, and NatSoc tend to appear similar, but their goals are slightly different.

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Eugenics is absolutely fine, Germany didn’t even take it that far to begin with, (they probably would have later), but up until they lost, the most they did was sterilise repeat criminals, gypsies, and euthanasia those who were born mentally disabled. Himmler I’m sure was more hardcore, and he was actively getting the best of Germany to breed with each other in the lebensborn project, at best he would create some kind ‘super race’ over the course of several hundred years or at worst, he would create a bunch of super models, either way it was probably worth trying.

This, I think, begs the question of Fascist movement within republics - such as the U.S., where the inherent "return to Traditionalism" doesn't seem nearly as feasible or natural due to the nature of its inception. It was much easier for Italians - but also problematic due to the many schismatic local nationalists latent within the Italian state and the many historically and culturally separate regional identities all under the umbrella of Fascist Italy.

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>where the inherent "return to Traditionalism" doesn't seem nearly as feasible or natural due to the nature of its inception
you can have a conservative revolution in the US, or you can claim that it is first and foremost a European country, and that it inherits its traditions from the continent.

That's why I said it's a meme outside of Italy and the 20th century.
There are no fascists outside of a handful of people who have been disenfrenchised and radicalized by kikes with all their talks about displacing whites or generally shitting on the nations that host them.

First lesson on this board yid is to not listen to a fucking leaf.

>That's why I said it's a meme outside of Italy and the 20th century.
That's really dumb. Fascism as an Italian political movement, sure, but Fascism as a revolutionary conception of government is far from dead.

Nazism is great and everyone would follow it, if you took out the genocide part.

Why not just read the Doctrine of Fascism?
sjsu.edu/people/cynthia.rostankowski/courses/HUM2BS14/s0/The-Doctrine-of-Fascism.pdf
Someone else which you might be interested in is this relatively recent article on artkos concerning Force and Freedom: Fascism, Totalitarianism and the Left-Right Spectrum
arktos.com/2019/09/06/force-and-freedom-fascism-totalitarianism-and-the-left-right-spectrum/
Or this one on Laibach, Playfulness and Fascism
arktos.com/2019/04/24/laibach-playfulness-and-fascism-part-1/
arktos.com/2019/04/25/laibach-playfulness-and-fascism-part-2/
Finally I would recommend this one which is not really about Fascism but rather Italian Futurism. Which I think is really important to understanding the relationship these ideologues had at the time with modernity and their desire to transcend it.
arktos.com/2018/11/26/futurism-revolt-against-the-past-and-the-nation-of-tomorrow-part-1/
arktos.com/2018/11/26/futurism-revolt-against-the-past-and-the-nation-of-tomorrow-part-2/

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Read Julius Evola's book Fascism Viewed from the Right. You can pirate it free online. Evola lived during the height of fascism in Germany and Italy, and met with many of the leaders and discussed his views with them.
He describes fascism from a right-wing point of view, the good and the bad.

He was critical nationalist element within fascism, linking it to revolutionary plebian movements of the left, he saw it as artificial unity that is used to support the leftist notion of popular sovereignty: that the leader rules because of the national will.

judaism is totalitarian fascism
god is a tyrant
your holy books are your instructions
if you don't do what they say, then you're a
>bad jew
judaism is a truly evil philosophy
it imprisons the jews and makes non-jews miserable

Here you go fren and I will second the suggestion for Evola. He is critical for understanding modernity and its anti-thesis Tradition. I would also suggest that to understand the dissident right you must understand Evola because I have see him cited again and again from current authors, even the late Guillaume Faye.

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bah I forgot the link
juliusevola.files.wordpress.com/2016/01/9-fascism-viewed-from-the-right.pdf

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Try /lit/ you kike, they should have a fascist literature thread up 24/7. If not, search the archive and you'll find a list of semi-contemporary writing on fascism.

You won't find any fascist groups no matter where you look, because the second any form they get infiltrated by every alphabet agency the USA has and shut down very quickly.

thanks. And also OP can check out this except from Revolt Against the Modern World, which shows Evola's criticism of nationalism.

juliusevola.net/excerpts/Modern_Nationalism,_the_Masses_&_the_Democracy_of_the_Dead.html

In my opinion facism is just baseline liberal-conservative ideology mixed with desperation and urgency to enact preventive measures against an imminent communist or anarchist takeover. Its an empty shell used to fire an alpha strike into the heart of an overbearing enemy.

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Like you niggers never did anything wrong.

I hate people that harm other people and do not mind using my government to inflict MAXIMUM levels of physical violence to hurt people who hurt other people. That is why I became a cop.

Also, I like fresh water and trees and shit.

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