> I'm Yertle the Turtle! Oh, marvelous me! > For I am the ruler of all that I see!" > And all through the morning, he sat up there high Saying over and over, > "A great king am I!"
*brings out lantern in the daytime*
Is there a single wise man here? Or are you all sophist swine? Cave devils with pitchforks used to prod people into behaving badly because you think it's funny.
You're all imbeciles in a giant circle jerk, but you knew this already.
The Hitchens Fallacy is the belief that one is entitled the right to change their subjective opinion in order to eliminate the right of another to have their subjective opinion.
All you shitposting trolls do is sit around and wax nihilistic about such and such faction of society, and why it would be better if they just shut up and listened to you - the philosopher-kings of the internet, who are so wise that you can't even stop your own fellow travellers from committing heinous acts of inhumanity.
Ben Shapiro, Milo, Oswald Mosley, Christopher and Peter Hitchens, all your false prophets instead acting in good faith and admitting they could ever be wrong through falsifiable evidence, instead use 'debates' as excuses to get sound bytes for 'social justice warriors' in order to re-contextualize and edit highlight reels of them being stupid. By admitting anotehr human can be stupid, means you think people can be stupid and wrong, but because of the Hitchens Fallacy, you deny the ability of others to show you as stupid and wrong, because you think this anime-infested ivory tower makes you the true wise men.
I agree. Jow Forums is absolutely chalk full of retards, in fact this website may just have the absolute stupidest userbase on the whole internet. Sometimes I wonder how anybody here even dresses or feeds themselves and then I realize they all live with their mommies and are probably on welfare.
What a shithole this fucking place is I hate all of you
Carter Moore
All you alt-right are buffoons. "Why don't you wanna debate me bro!" Because you admit you're un-debatable. You claim that women are worthless and that black people are subhuman and that gays are impotent. Well, if literally everyone else in the world appears to you as evil, it's most likely you who are evil. Lynton Crosby developed the wedge tactic where you introduce an idea to generate divisive fractions in the opposition to siphon their members. That's all you ever do, instead of admitting you yourself are acting in bad faith, and are completely falsified as homo sapiens, where sapien means wise. Instead, you are incipient misanthropes.
Seneca the Younger used to say a lot of things that sounded cool, in the end he worked for the Emperor Nero for about five years... then Nero turned his back on him, and Seneca committed suicide.
If all of you assholes think you can positively debate every single person out of existence, it would be much more optimal and efficient for you to just kill yourselves; therefore eliminating all those troubling 'alternative perspectives' that you losers feel are attributional, meanwhile your alchemical thesis are the singular essential truths - like that idiot Newton who used to claim to be an English scientist, but then ate a bunch of lead and stole manuscripts from Germans, French, Arabic-Hindu astronomers, Latin mathematicians, who stole their works from Arabic-Hindu astronmers, thus it is Islam which is civilized, and the West which just steals and culturally appropriates whatever it finds useful. Thus there is no white genocide, you are all trying to commit genocide-by-proxy on everyone else, and are confused as to why nobody wants you to be the leaders anymore.
It's turtles all the way down, and the higher up you idiotic aristocrats try to claim, the further you have to fall when it all comes tumbling down because someone below you on the totem pole decided to burp.
You all preach to be radical, cynical, dissenting philosophers. I am showing you you're actually aristocratic, platonic, elitist sophists.
The fact that you can't admit you could be wrong demonstrates the Hitchens Fallacy. "Well you don't say you could be wrong!" I spent more time on the internet and Jow Forums the last decade to know how this site functions. In actuality, when someone presents a counter-claim, instead of actually accepting the Hitchens Razor, you immediately find a dismissive, ironic, ad hoc escape hatch. "Hah, I typed 'practice what you preach' GOTTEM BRO!" No, you didn't. Because I admit I could be wrong, instead of offering any sort of profound counter-argument, you just pulled an "Argument Clinic" like Monty Python and added a "no it isn't!" before what I said; which is sophistry and not philosophy.
Can you practice what you're preaching? No, because you don't even know what you're preaching. What you claim to preach is cynical critique, what you practice is platonic elitism. Read the Ion dialogue for an example of someone thinking all knowledge should be passed down in a chain; then Thomas Paine's "Letter to Washington" for the absurdity of inherited wisdom.
Again, instead of offering literally any actual counter-argument, we have an instantaneous ironic dismissal.
More sophistry.
James Gonzalez
>OP points out how much of a pseudointellectual faggot the typical user of this board is >user gets butthurt pottery
Jose Flores
you realize no one is going to read this shit, right? give us a tl'dr, what does it say?
Angel Cruz
nice rick and morty philosophy there pal
Austin Campbell
OP, you're a complete fucking faggot. make your points clear and easy to read. no one is going to read through your schizo ramblings just to get mildly insulted. did you actually think any of this would work?? better luck doing this 'OP IS TOTAL FUCKING FAGGOT'.
Lol @ admitting you're too stupid to understand anything longer than a single sentence.
The Hitchens Fallacy: Where one believes they re entitled the right to change their opinion, in order to prevent others from having opinions.
The inability to admit one could be wrong, thus believing one is always right, which is a fallacy.
Joseph Robinson
For those of you who aren't so intellectually brain-dead to where you insist someone spoon feed's you an infantile pablum because "their brain hurted"
Wittgensteinian fideism—states: (1) that religion is logically cut off from other aspects of life; (2) that religious concepts and discourse are essentially self-referential; and (3) that religion cannot be criticized from an external (i.e., non-religious) point of view.
Jow Forums is a religion; you believe you can only criticize each other, and everyone else, but anyone who doesn't conform to your true definition of being isn't allowed to critique you. Hypocrites = Hypo (above) + Critic = You believe you are above critique, and then feign ignorance (Socratic Irony) in order to try and bring out further argumentation in order to refute it; however if one is never refutable, you just keep pretending not to know what they mean in order to draw out the conversation while slinging ad hominem attacks.
Not my fault you're all idiots. I shouldn't have to come down to your level just to explain my position like I'm talking to kindergartners. Instead of making an instantaneous, flippant, ironic reponse "lawl cool story bro, u even triforce?" you could y'know, actually use rational-empirical thought to take the empirical evidence and rationally intuit whether it is hypothetically correct.
The hypothesis is that you guys feel you can't be critiqued, and instead immediately try and callously dimiss other's opinions in a shallow attempt at forensic debate.
The empirical evidence is literally 90% of the responses in this thread being you guys doing just that.
>You're All Stupid and I Don't Respect You Hey Faggots, My name is John, and I hate every single one of you. All of you are fat, retarded, no-lifes who spend every second of their day looking at stupid ass pictures. You are everything bad in the world. Honestly, have any of you ever gotten any pussy? I mean, I guess it's fun making fun of people because of your own insecurities, but you all take to a whole new level. This is even worse than jerking off to pictures on facebook. Don't be a stranger. Just hit me with your best shot. I'm pretty much perfect. I was captain of the football team, and starter on my basketball team. What sports do you play, other than "jack off to naked drawn Japanese people"? I also get straight A's, and have a banging hot girlfriend (She just blew me; Shit was SO cash). You are all faggots who should just kill yourselves. Thanks for listening. Pic Related: It's me and my bitch
Again, you're not offering any sort of philosophical or political critique, you're just being an asshole and thinks that makes you more right.
It just makes you an asshole that's too stupid to realize you're just proving my point even further. Hence, you are stupid, and I do hate you.
Carson Wilson
nice doubles bro
I defined what I meant by Hitchens Fallacy clearly and provided evidence, you just sling around words because you think they sound cool and that makes them meaningful. More sophistry. In other words: cool story, bro
I'm still waiting for a single wise person to appear. It'll probably be a long time coming in this abyssal, barren, trivial wasteland devoid of any rationally or intelligent discussion...
Evan Price
>the right to change their subjective opinion in order to eliminate the right of another to have their subjective opinion >on a board where anyone can post anything anonymously >on the most redpill-hungry place on the internet >where no opinion is too stupid and there's always someone autistic enough to take it seriously Yeah, lemme spout some words that look smart, that'll make 'em feel dumb.
Again, you just did exactly what you claim I'm doing.
You think by making a flippant ironic retort that makes you right. I'm still waiting on someone who actually demonstrates any ability at self-critique to actually provide a counter-example, but instead you all feel that because I "talk purdy" that I'm the sophist, when it just means I have a vocabulary, and you are the ones who adamantly refuse to provide any evidence.
As Einstein said after 100 physicists wrote a scathing response to his theories: if they were right, a single response would have sufficed.
Instead you all keep piling up the ad hominem invectives and think that because you're all in a circle jerk and I'm not, that I must be the one jerking off. When really, you're all just mutually masturbating like a bunch of juvenile buggerers.
You all hate sodomites so much, well consider this philosodomy. A rhetorical alaskan hotpocket:
You guys say a bunch of shit. I take your shit, put it into a condom, freeze it, and then fuck you with it. Evidently, you guys can't handle being fucked with your own shit, so you try and be negative in order to maintain your egos. Your egos which spew shit, that you cannot in fact handle, when it is re-inserted back into your anal cavities.
Joseph Reed
Show your flag
Jeremiah Carter
That's a very pretty way of saying "you can all be wrong too", which is okay, we can accept that. Is there some other point you were trying to make?
Grayson Perez
I don't have a flag, stupid, I'm a cosmopolitan cynic. We're all equally citizens of the universe. You think that you can delineate a neat little territory that you can put a flag or symbol to in order to prove someone's value.
If you must know, I live in the White House, and my name is Jared Kushner.
Oh you don't believe me? Because people can just say anything they want, so even if I put a flag you would just use your own bias to hermeneutically interpret whether it was 'right' or 'wrong?
Therefore one shouldn't use hermeneutic deontological hermeneutics to decide whether something is right, and that flags don't matter, but one should instead use their own cognitive processes to deduce whether something is philosophically falsifiable, or fallacious sophistry.
Aka, I did show my flag, I don't have one. "REEE EVERYONE HAS A FLAG" How totalitarian of you. Almost like you are entitled the right to have an opinion in order to prevent others from having theirs. "I WAS JUST ASKING A SIMPLE QUESTION" Yes, because you're a simpleton that doesn't actually view things on a holistic level, just a specific micro-level that applies to your personal subjective understanding of reality. You think I didn't show my flag, I say I did, you claim I didn't. Therefore you think you can speak for me, which shows you're a fascist of the human intellect.
Brandon Phillips
What do you mean? Yes, we can all be wrong, but everybody here thinks by adding sophist negation to the beginning of their ironic bs, that makes them incapable of ever being wrong. We can all be wrong, but 90% of the responses in here have refused to admit this fact, and instead insisted I was wrong for merely pointing it out. Look at this thread, the point is self-evident.
This place is a fideistic circle jerk that lacks self-awareness, breeds antisocial tendencies, and results in fascist behavior that thinks they can behave with impunity and transvaluate people's existences because they all think they're philosopher-kings and ubermensch. If you want to claim mass murderers are not influenced by internet, then explain that to the people who have all been killed by people who killed them because they were influenced by internet conspiracy theories: pizzagate, white genocide, etc. which all seem to lead back to this website.
Thanks for not being an absolutely nihilistic contrarian prima facie.
Jeremiah Campbell
This website repeatedly calls others faggots, I can count at least five on both sides in this conversation.
What do you all mean by faggot? 1) A bundle of sticks to be set on fire 2) A homosexual
On the first case, I am a bundle of matter that will die an entropic heat death. So, I assume this makes us all burnable waste on some level.
Two, 'homosexual' means love of man. To claim being homosexual makes one evil, when one is a man, implies one hates humanity and is homophobic. Homosexual implies one uses their own biological genitalia to sexually sodomize another of the same gender. You guys use jaded cynicism as an intellectual phallus, and I use it as a prophylactic to show that you guys can't actually 'swallow your own pill' so to speak.
So on both accounts of being accused of being a 'faggot' I don't really care. It just shows that you people are elitist homophobes that think you can burn others because they're all a bundle of sticks, without actually admitting one is the same bundle of atoms that will eventually burn when the sun goes supernova and expands so far that the earth and all its carbon based lifeforms will be vaporized.
I was accused of not showing my flag. I have a pirate flag. It is obvious I am a philosophical pirate that has come to metaphorically 'plunder y'arr booties, maties!" Ahoy! QED
Juan James
Your entire rhetoric is ironic, that's why everyone is laughing. The only one who needs proof is you. Then again, someone else explaining it to you would be pointless, you need to realize your flaws on your own and face them. Until then, you can pretend to be a pseudo-intellectual and throw your superiority around all the way back to the reddit shithole that spawned you.
Jeremiah White
Friend, you seem a bit angry when there's no need to, and the condescending way you speak makes it really difficult to stop and think without getting defensive. Again, this is unnecessary. Criticism works when it's communicative, otherwise it's just ranting/venting. I just think you stated something that we all already knew. I don't think Jow Forums takes Jow Forums seriously anymore, it's 90% shitposting and people venting their unending frustrations. There is no debate because nobody comes here seeking a debate. So all in all, I agree with you for the most part. I think all this philosophizing is an unnecessary waste of energy on your part, friend. Does Jow Forums frustrate you to the point where you just can't ignore it?
Wyatt Russell
Likewise, the alt-right of this board enjoy accusing others of being "politically correct social justice warriors who perpetuate the white genocide."
Political correctness was not born in the 1990s. It stems to the 1930s, when there were jewish communists in new york, that heard about Stalin's antisemitic pograms. They were placed in a moral dillema, and decided it was correct to maintain their communist ideologies. This meant they were being 'politically correct'. Everyone here enjoys using racial and homophobic epithets with impunity. This is not morally acceptable, but because of your political ideologies, you assume you are entitled to this right. One cannot legally yell fire in a movie theater, so intentionally triggering people is unconstitutional. Therefore you are the politically correct ones which believe it is okay to transvaluate your values in order to side with others who told you saying such things was acceptable. "Social justice warrior" You are all acting as white knights for your own ideological envisionment of what a just society is. If you are not, then you are admitting you are an antisocial nihilist, and if that is the case, it would be categorically imperative to kill yourself, because that would solve one's misanthropic problems fully, whereas trying to destroy others through radical extremism is futile. On enforcing a 'white genocide' genetically speaking, if you all section yourself off into a 'pure' ethnostate, eventually you will be forced to inbreed. This is like how the aristocrats of Europe thought they were the purest class, and decided to only procreate with each other. Eventually hereditary lines were crossed, (one has 2 parents, 4 grandparents, 8 great-grandparents... etc so within a few generations, at least someone will be related to another if you are strictly going by skin tone which is a genetic trait.) Therefore, you in fact are promoting a white genocide, because those who are inbred are typically infertile.
Oliver Harris
>You're All Stupid and I Don't Respect You H
I agree I have no idea why I even spend time on this useless site.
Brayden Jones
>can't even stop your own fellow travellers from committing heinous acts of inhumanity. Why would we want to stop a high score?
Exactly. Hitchens Razor states that the burden of proof is on those who make the claim.
I claimed you are all hypocrites who merely ironically try to dismiss everyone without actually providing your own evidence.
Then, the evidence was that the first responses were "lawl who cares, tl;dr, ur ghey". Thereby providing evidence for my claim.
The inversion of the Hitchens Razor is if one does provide such evidence, the other (if they act in good faith) must be willing to admit they were wrong, which people here seem incapable of, and would rather accuse me of being the hypocrite, when I have consistently maintained my position and provided evidence, whereas you all just call me a faggot in ad hominem attacks. How ironic that I am considered condescending when I am the one being called a faggot repeatedly. So apparently, people of Jow Forums have double standards. Intentionally calling someone an epithet is deemed okay if everyone else does it, but if someone has their own opinion that counters this, they are deemed the condescender... hmmm...
Isaac Cox
Faggot loser spends day writing thesis novels nobody will read about how everyone else is wasting their time posting braps and frogs. Sage
Aiden Gutierrez
>using pol for 10 years >post @ & lol Pretentious fuck made it to communications 101 and thinks s/he is an expert on fallacy dispite the entire position being a strawman. How embarrassing
A strawman would be putting words into people's mouths.
I claimed everyone in here is an ironic sophist that merely uses "Hitchens Fallacy" in order to negate another's opinion in order to appear right.
Then, people came in here and ironically started caalling me a faggot, or posting ironic bitchy little photos of Hitler.
Therefore, you are all putting the hypothetical straw into your own asses.
Mmm, the pot calling the kettle black, I see.
Jacob Jackson
>The entire isn't a strawman. Yes it is. Youre an idiot who thinks they're smart and came to the wrong board thinking anyone values your opinion. With any luck you'll be in the path of the next traveler. Now go dialite moose
Hunter Sullivan
I’m only here to say nigger. You are trying to be next JK Rowling or some shit. novel boy
Connor Young
Why may I ask are you wasting your time writing out every intricately worded response to people who won’t listen to you. You sound like you have an over inflated ego and a god complex from having an slightly higher then average IQ.
Isaac Foster
Ironically, it is you using the strawman.
I never claimed I used Jow Forums for 10 years. I claimed I had been aware of Jow Forums for over a decade. In fact I avoid this region of hell "Abandon all hope, ye who enter here" and used to spend some time on /b/ but then the /b/tards started literally murdering people because they ran out of shocking memes, and had to invent their own, and I started thinking that maybe this whole Jow Forums nihilistic cynicism was somewhat counter-intuitive.
OP, you are clearly a learned person, which is why I feel kinda bad for you to be honest. The reason for this is: you seem to come from a position of pure reason and applying logic to everything. This is a mistake. Nevermind that Jow Forums simply doesn't play by those rules - the whole real world doesn't. Nor should it.
I know exactly why you're here, you have no idea why I'm here, thus you are less wise than me, because I can state your position, but you compare me to a fantasy writer, when I have done nothing but make a claim and let you unwise sophists take the bait, and watched as you hilariously and futilely tried to refute me using the very same methods I claim you would in the first place.
"Go dialate a moose."
"With any luck, you'll be in the path of the next traveller." See, to you it would be lucky if someone else was murdered. This shows you're an antisocial, inhumane, fascist. It would be lucky if all those mass murderers decided "Hey, we're actually the assholes here, and society forced us to be this way, so instead of acting like society, we should instead critique ourselves in order to become better people that don't think the murder of others is 'lucky'.
> Person A claims Person B is a fascist asshole who should maybe critique themselves before criticizing others, and if they truly are a misanthrope who thinks every other person should be dead, since they cannot kill all people, and they are a person, it would be more efficient for them to commit suicide. > Person B claims it would be better if Person A was dead by being murdered by one of their own fellow travelling nihilists. Therefore you're being self-refutational. You don't need luck to watch me disappear, you just need the courage to kill yourself, and then all your problems will go away permanaently. A final solution to the final solution.
Hmm.
Jaxson Davis
I told you why I'm here. I came with a lantern in the daytime looking for a wise man, because you all claim to be so wise as to be able to decide who should and shouldn't be killed.
You sound like you have an over inflated ego and a god complex from having an slightly higher then average IQ.
No, having a god complex would be saying I want to make other people kill other people through scripture, which is what this board is saying all the time. "Well you said some of us should kill ourselves" yes because that would be consistent with their own misanthropic beliefs, my beliefs are they should critique themselves and realize they are behaving unwisely and inconsistently.
"Why am I here, just go away, you're wasting you're time" This takes literally an afternoon, you guys have wasted your entire lives here talking in circles. I'm here specifically to throw a stick into the cogs of your mechanizations, in order to show that you guys don't even know what you're talking about, so you're truly wasting your lives talking about nothing and going nowhere. Congratulations!
Jonathan Reed
Lol, you're feeling bad because of a strawman. You think I believe that's how the world works, no that's how the analytical west has viewed itself as rational-empiricists since the time of Immanuel Kant's "Critique of Pure Reason" people like Hitler thought they were behaving through pure reason, but in actuality were purely unreasonable. Wittgenstein thought he was a logical positivist, but he would illogically negatively knock developmentally disabled students unconscious for not understanding advanced mathematical concepts. Ironically, the capcha for this post was "find the bridges" and that's all I'm doing. Bridging your gaps in misunderstanding that breed philosophical problems.
No, I feel bad for you. You claim to live in Poland. Poland was invaded by fascists. Now Poland has its own ultra-nationalist fascist far-right, because certain sectors of all societies are idiots that are incapable of self-critique.
Josiah Mitchell
What’s my position, that you are a faggot? I’ve read none of this thread and don’t have a clue what you are talking about. You’ve written so much into an abyss.
Jonathan Lewis
No you have an over inflated thought of self. You’re highly dogmatic in your views. Political correctness is as cancerous as this board. Censoring opposing views is absolutely absurd.
You all claim to not know what I'm talking about, and that I should be burned to death, and then insist I explain myself. Then I explain myself and you go "lawl tl;dr"
Therefore, you're inconsistent fascist of the human intelllect.
But obviously we're going in circles here. One person calls me a faggot, I say everybody is a bunddle of matter that dies an entropic heat death like a bunddle of sticks, and then you go 'lawl idk what that means, ur dumb"
Therefore, I shall Socratically banish myself and go do something useful with my life, instead of just sitting in this vapid, debased, debauched onamastic circle-jerk. You all just put on the same character mask of a Jow Forums idiot, "okay step one, let them say something. Next step, if it's stupid, shit on them. If it's not stupid, claim they aren't making sense. Next step, if they keep arguing, claim the fact that they argued so much somehow makes them wrong because one is so stupid and lazy that they won't even bother reading a simple thread that would take less than 15 minutes."
Therefore, since you have admitted you don't care what others are saying, and immediately dismiss them as faggot that should be burned, I have proven the Hitchens Fallacy in action. Therefore, my entire mission here is complete, and I'll let my lantern burn out and move onto some other self-inscribed, incipient locale that believes they are wise, in order to critique them. While you barbaric philistines still sit around reading what you think is right, because you saw someone else write it - like a parrot, or an animal, or a horse, or a chicken that can count because its owner told it to. Since you obviously love hermeneutic interpretation so much, let me offer this bit of scripture -
>Ben Shapiro, Milo, Oswald Mosley, Christopher and Peter Hitchens, >altright stop embarrassing yourself retard
Cameron Miller
You are the most embarrassing hyper faggot niggerlicious gorilla nigger that I have ever seen post on this website.
Jose Jones
Elephantine Horton hears a miniscule gadfly Who,
Horton immediately picks up a sledgehammer and tries to smash the Who because it can't understand what it says, and misses completely, because it's got stupid elephant feet and they're bad at gripping heavy blunt instruments.
Jaxson Bell
Holy shit nigger take your antipsychotics. This is a lit degree nigger having a psychotic break. Put the thesaurus down and take your meds man.
Carson Jackson
broken brained golem spouts a fountain of well read drivel into a flurry of word salad posts
Zachary Nelson
>well you don't say you could be wrong....
shit if that's the standard you adhere to in your twisted logic. Well if you don't say you could rape her... I guess I didn't say I was always right either. Bet that doesn't conform to your gender fluid system of black and white morals. Depending on what the Boolean test of right or wrong returns to your Positronic brain based on a negative or positive sum reaction. >Is there a single wise man here? Or are you all sophist swine? When you look in the mirror "Do you see a man who is wise in their own eyes?" (Proverb 26:12) >I spent more time on the internet in the last decade to know how it functions Are you even human? Did you spend more time here in clown world than debating in real life? >Congratulations ya played yourself >your rebuttal will be a little to late. you really are a fag though... defined by option 3) A loud obnoxious person (Verified by Southpark)
He sounds home schooled and autistic >I know exactly why you are here Because I have nothing but time to kill atm? >you have no idea why I'm here Guilty as charged, what brought you to /pol besides shareblue? >thus you are less wise than me because I can regurgitate words and compare myself with the master of creation. >I came with a lantern I came wearing sunglasses at night so I can look into the abyss and see something in nothingness if you could picture this. >Mmm, the pot calling the kettle black, I see. Indubitably yeah. I'm a hypocrite but at least I notice it and laugh at what I could have became if I fell for all the propaganda pushed by institutional educators.
because you all claim to be so wise as to be able to decide who should and shouldn't be killed.
This kind of strawman is exactly why no one takes you seriously. The vast majority of Jow Forums believes essentially that every individual and group has a right to self-determination. There will always be winners and losers , and different interpretations of how winning and losing will come about. Jow Forums is simply not one person as you continuously claim. You are, however, a faggot.
Connor Thompson
>>YOU BASEMENTLARD FAGGOTS ARE ALL COCK-SUCKING RETARDS, CHAINED TOGETHER, DICK TO MOUTH, PRETENDING YOU ARE SAVING THE WORLD WHEN ALL YOU DO IS STICK THE HOT POCKETS YOUR PARENTS BOUGHT YOU UP YOUR ASS TO STIMULATE YOUR SHRINKING FLACCID COCKS WHILE YOU BEAT OFF TO A SLIDESHOW OF NAKED HITLERS tl;dr for some of you more retarded anons
>throws a stick in your cogs. gets snapped in two by the unrelenting force of the wheel as he attempts to go against the grain. OP should try to use an iron rod or maybe use a wrench. Using sticks and stones is like bringing a knife to a gun swap. nobody wants your dull blade and nobody will sell you a gun for it.
