Premise 1: everything which begins to exist has a cause
Premise 2: the universe began to exist
Therefore, the universe has a cause.
Premise 1: everything which begins to exist has a cause
Premise 2: the universe began to exist
Therefore, the universe has a cause.
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and because it has a cause that cause can only be the jew skydaddy & volcano-god yahweh, right?
>atheists btfo, don't you understand that because something created the universe it has to be the jew god???
>non sequitur
How is that a fallacy?
Everyone are suffering on earth instead of being in heaven because a jewish lady ate a knowledge-granting magical apple belonging to the jew god Yahweh, are they not?
Your conclusion doesn’t follow from any of the premises
So, what do you offer to support that either of those premises is fundamentally or inherently correct?
Ah, but you were getting there. People don't just shit on atheists without a christcuck agenda behind it around these parts. You just got cheated out of a punch-line and now you're mad about it, that's all.
this dudes brain has so many wrinkles.
First cause argument, old and based on falicious reasoning.
>still a non sequitur
>offers no argument
Modern cosmology strongly suggests the universe had a beginning In the finite past. And our experience informs us that we live in a causal universe
Self bump
Why are so many of you faggots on Jow Forums today?
>God is a Jew hehe
kys
This takes the assumption that time has always existed.
No it doesn't
For causality to exist, time has to exist.
Unless God is the cause
>Unless God is the cause
Sure. But that isn't proof of god, that's a proposition.
It is proof. When you eliminate everything that's impossible that's what you're left with. God cause the big bang. He created time, space, and matter. That's what the big bang theory is. It came from a Catholic preist.
>He created time
Causality requires time. You can't "create" time, because that would imply causality.
God created the rules of the universe. You can make a program with AI on a computer and write in that program that everything spawns from an object you created. The AI would argue about who created the object and some of the dumber ones would claim no one did because they would have to spawn from the object. God isn't bound to the laws of the universe he created any more than you would be if you made that program.
>God created the rules of the universe.
Prove it.
Even if there was a creator why is everyone's first inclination to suck him off?
Your second statement disproves the first
Because some desert niggers wrote a book that says were supposed to
That would be like looking at a book or a clock and claiming it didn't have a creator. You can tell the universe is a creation because it's so finely tuned. The fact that you ignored everything after the first sentence says a lot about atheists.
>You can tell the universe is a creation because it's so finely tuned.
Watch me debunk this argument. "I don't believe it's finely tuned."
>The fact that you ignored everything after the first sentence says a lot about atheists.
The rest of that post was just more baseless assertions.
>I don't believe it's finely tuned
Then you're a moron
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God isn't a cause. By what rational mechanism does God cause anything? What is qualities does God have that are related to the concept of "exist" i.e. form, interaction, and location?
Can you demonstrate an interaction with God? Can you show me his form or location?
>Then you're a moron
your*
Also, that's not an argument.
Thanks for proving it user
No, it literally doesn't. It's a classic Modus Ponens. Not that a filthy leaf would understand, but it's a valid form argument. If you want to disprove it, you need to attack the truth of the premises, not the form.
God has a son! He's Jewish! His son is him! He sent him to Roman Occupied Palestine 2000 years to get BTFO for YOUR sins!
Yeah, its called the Big Bang. Catholics know this shit and they believein god too.
>what is a joke
Your video also debunks itself, kid. Skip 2 minutes in.
>God isn’t a cause
>makes an unsupported statement
I never said he was, proxy-leaf
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It doesn't "debunk itself", it takes into account ridiculous excuses like string theory. If there was an infinite amount of universes they would have had to have a cause too.
I don't think premise one is a truth of the universe, but rather it's a tautological statement.
The second statement is not something that's proven to be true, it's just assumed... So I would say "prove it".
Lastly, define "universe"
Atheism is a religion.
>Premise 1: everything which begins to exist has a cause
according to what?
If you weren't a sheltered ignorant nigger you'd know many things happen for absolutely no reason except because the can happen
Birth itself is a proof of this
>the universe began to exist
citation needed
>If there was an infinite amount of universes they would have had to have a cause too.
Which takes the assumption that time has always existed. Why are you such a mental midget?
ITT: op just started his freshman GE critical reasoning class but lacks critical reasoning
what the fuck
You're confusing string theory with infinite regression you brainlet. No one takes the idea that time has always existed seriously.
Just because one group of scientists support the Big Bang Theory doesn’t mean that they all do or that they’re correct. We already know that the Standard Model is broken (despite desperate attempts to shore it up with epicyclic goofiness like dark matter and energy), which means that there are still many fundamental things we’ve got wrong in physics. This leaves the door wide open for alternative cosmological theories.
>No one takes the idea that time has always existed seriously.
But you just implied that... what the fuck is wrong with you?
Atheists hate everything but the cucumber they shove up their asshole
>and the cause is the Big Gang Bang
>and before the Big Gang Bang there was no Causation
The "jews" that everyone on this board hates became a thing when they rejected and crucified Christ.
When Abraham was commanded by God to perform the covenant of circumcision, it was only the very tip of the foreskin that was trimmed. It was not the shit Jews do today, and there was no sucking involved.
The Jews we all hate are the ones who rejected and crucified Christ. The good guys became Christians, the bad guys stayed (((jews))).
The nazis on this board think that the Hebrews of the old testament are the same as the Jews of 1948 Pissrael.
It's funny because Christians hate the Jews as much as we hate other false religions and fags.
Christianity is the anti-kike religion. You dumb cucks have been tricked to hate your most powerful ally, the Christians. But let me be clear, there is a lot of false Christianity and ego worship nowadays. Women preachers, zionists, and blue-pilled "churchianity" that doesn't follow strict biblical doctrine have given true Christians a bad name.
>inb4 christkike, jew on a stick, etc
Jeshua crucification was an internal Jewish affair.
Christianity is an adaptation of Judaism for European gods panteon worshippers (pagans)
Prove premise 1