How accurate is this?

Informed =/= philosophical
Ryan Dawson for example has memorized hundreds of thousands of political facts, but his ideology is basic libertarianism. Enoch focuses on contradictions and talking points

Nick fuentes lost to Jay Dyer. Jay should be top

He lost because of the x-axis

Where's my man edward dutton?

Has he ever debated someone?

either way Jay should be higher. Maybe not higher than Nick, but he's pretty skillful at trapping opponents

Hmmmm...

Maybe that's why I really like Enoch. He basically just spits provable facts and says to stick to only things that can be proven and not get wrapped up in the unprovable, debatable, or emotional stuff.

bottom right master race

Hi Classical Theist

Ben Shapiro definitely has some good philosophy. Read his new book

>destiny
I guess if hes the best the left has to offer
he really just changes the subject and tries to confuse the opponent by being super long winded and unclear about yet another off topic subject. I'd call him out on that so many times he'd probably stop talking because its all he does everytime I watch him "debate".
>fuentes
might be a little high IMO on rhetorical skill. maybe switch him and peterson
>tucker
he should be higher on philosophical rigor
>crowder
same. his arguments are highly based in stats and philosophy
>james
same
>zizek
higher in rhetorical skill

zizek lower and further to the right
feels like Jared should be further right
Destiny way, way the fuck further left

>molyneux and destiny up there
Desteeny I can understand, but you're really criticizing Molymeme?
>1 post
Oh, you're a faggot.

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Crowder literally just drills in the same talking points he came up with years ago and figures out how to work in stats he memorized specifically for the debate

Zizek is confident but terrible at arriving at his point

>Crowder literally just drills in the same talking points he came up with years ago and figures out how to work in stats he memorized specifically for the debate
sure but he manages the conversations well which is part of a philosophical argument

Jared majored in philosophy but has literally never discussed meta-ethics as far as I'm aware. Nick Fuentes used his free association arguments against Destiny on the Ralph Retort and quickly had to abandon them because libertarianism is retarded.

I get the impression that Zizek is terrible at logic and proofs. He literally never uses syllogisms. This would be okay if he found a way to argue against logic itself, but he just skips over things and drops quirky anecdotes everywhere instead. If he argued with Ask Yourself, Dyer, or JF, things would grind to a halt in 30 seconds.

Perfect example of the relevancy of e-celebs.
I can only recognize 3-4 of the pictures, and of those, I don't actually give a flying fuck about their opinions.
Most people just listen to people that create an echo chamber of their own views anyway, so in the end, all of these worthless fucks are just singing to a small little choir of their patreon supporters.

I fixed it for you.

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Go away destiny you're a huge faggot.

>can't be unbiased and admit someone you disagree with is good at debating
Autism

>can't be unbiased and admit someone you disagree with is good at debating
I agree, Desteeny refuses to acknowledge the skills of anyone left of Hillary Clinton's stated positions.

>he talk fast he smart haha I like fast talk guy

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Zizek just babbles. I dont understand how people take him seriously. Add to that the disgusting sniffling, terrible presentation, dirty hair and you get a guy that is just unpleasant in every way. What do people see in the guy? Anyone who likes Zizek, please respond.

Destiny is unironically a good debater though, even if he's a leftist beta idiot.

If the axes are on a linear scale, the chart would need to be 3x the size to properly reflect his outlier position

>ryan faulk so low on rigor
he's literally the hardest working of them all

He says things that are counter-intuitive or seem like a contradiction and then flips it around to make sense. Basically anti-common-sense. His arguments are often similar to jokes and make the crowd laugh because of this.

Not an argument

He sticks to facts and talking points from his website though. He seems pretty disinterested in ethics and political theory.

I'm guessing philosophy in relation to how much you're willing to suck metaphysical dick

JF is a logical positivist but he'll actually take his interlocutor to that level and argue why he thinks rationalism and idealism are bullshit. I can imagine Ryan just saying he wants to focus on something else or that he doesn't care

Met above Peterson is stupid

Metokur is the ultimate bantzmaster and beat Destiny without really having any opinions on anything

Is this purposefully retarded? The parts that I recognize are fucking awful. Here's a redone one with the people I know enough of to adequately rate.

PS- 99.99% of them are absolute trash

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>Peterstein is better than E Michael Jones

>Destiny sits around doing thought experiments to ground out his axiomatic ethical principles, discussing meta-ethics vs normative ethics with philosophy PhDs, and forming syllogistic arguments for why social democracy follows from rational egoism, but he has zero philosophical rigor because I disagree with him
>E Michael Jones is better because he says he's a Catholic even though he isn't a theologian and has never given Thomistic arguments on his own

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I cant tell whether to be dismayed because you are serious or laugh because its bait and you put Destiny next to Molymeme on philosophical rigor which is some kino irony.

I'm genuinely not sure if you're saying Destiny should be lower or higher.

Its funny because they are both liberals.

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>destiny saying "social demucracy good, raycis bad" really fast = doing thought experiments to ground out his axiomatic ethical principles, discussing meta-ethics vs normative ethics with philosophy PhDs, and forming syllogistic arguments for why social democracy follows from rational egoism
"no"

Destiny is just "quick witted", he has absolutely no depth or substance to any of his arguments, Jones does.

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I forgot I was on Jow Forums

Destiny is not leftist at all hes having a huge fight with his community because his fans are leftist and hes a classical liberal centrist or conservative pragmatist. He's been getting pretty exposed lately for being indoctrinated by neoliberalism but can't fathom the contradictions hes faced with.

youtube.com/watch?v=9fuX_fEc6dk

Find me literally one video or article by E. Michael Jones where he discusses basic ethics, epistemology, or metaphysics.
>but he has this one talking point about John 1:1 and memorized over 9000 Jew facts
History =/= philosophy

A good way to tell if someone is prepared to have an in-depth philosophical discussion is whether or not they've ever publicly addressed or discussed Hegel.

who's the 4 from the extreme right?

Jay Dyer
Ask Yourself
Slavoj Zizek
Classical Theist

thanks

>i forgot I was on Jow Forums
>destiny isn't leftist at all
He's a social democrat, that is "left" of center.
Stop trying to impose your retarded commie worldview on the rest of us where only Trots are "da tru left" and everyone else from Leninists-SJWs-Nazis-Ancaps are all "right wing", it's moronic.

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>>Destiny sits around doing thought experiments to ground out his axiomatic ethical principles, discussing meta-ethics vs normative ethics with philosophy PhDs, and forming syllogistic arguments for why social democracy follows from rational egoism, but he has zero philosophical rigor because I disagree with him
He does all this while sitting firmly within a neoliberal paradigm without realizing it and getting mad whenever anyone calls him out. He makes a lot of the same mistakes as logical positivists and physicalists, basically assumes the mind-body problem is solved, never states so, and then says its boring and refuses to read when people try to bring up that he never addresses it.

Hes a lot like Matt Dillahunty, very good at arguing atheism, but incapable of admitting that ultimately the question is not answerable and doesn't really entertain arguments in good faith because of this huge mental block, but with politics, philosophy, etc.

Everyone else on that chart I recognize is also a retarded liberal except Zizek and Jay Dyer but they are both autismo and look at the world through a telescope, accurately but within a small frame.

If he is a liberal, he's a leftist. Are you retarded or something? And what? Leftists have to always agree with each other on everything otherwise they're not a leftist?

alex jones is a rhetorical genius and is decently educated, if you're being objective and not just memeing.

Juden peterstein should be positioned much much more to the left

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Destiny is about as leftist as you get concerning social issues.

>without realizing it
He completely realizes it, that's why he's been explicitly defending neoliberalism/liberalism from socialists for the past month. I'm not arguing that Destiny is RIGHT, I'm arguing that he's fleshed out his worldview right up to the metaphysics and that it's valid -- not necessarily sound.
>and then says its boring and refuses to read when people try to bring up that he never addresses it.
I'm pretty sure he's had several hours of discussion about consciousness, philosophical zombies etc.

Jow Forums is making me sound like a Destiny shill when I'm actually a Nick Fuentes fan, just because I'm being unbiased.

>He's a social democrat, that is "left" of center.
Hes really not though, he says he is but he doesn't know what it means and refuses to pick up a book and flails around because people use different specific terms and he wont look up the definitions and pretends everyone is Stalin.

>Stop trying to impose your retarded commie worldview on the rest of us where only Trots are "da tru left" and everyone else from Leninists-SJWs-Nazis-Ancaps are all "right wing", it's moronic.
I'm not at all. Its important to know the difference.

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I don't know who these are. Spoonfeed me their names please.

Also what the fuck is Hassan Piker even doing on this chart? Have you ever watched any of his "debates"? He just sits there shouting.
Don't forget he is a pretty devout muslim who fasts during eid according to his instagram so I seriously doubt he has any real sympathy for homosexuals and women at all. He just plays the liberal card to score pussy, guy is one sleazy Chad.

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>1
Eric Striker
>2
Steven Bonnell II
>3
Ask Yourself
>4
Vincent James / Red Elephants

>A good way to tell if someone is prepared to have an in-depth philosophical discussion is whether or not they've ever publicly addressed or discussed Hegel.

youtube.com/watch?v=Op7QD0CrYss

A few things to get clear:
(1) I do not "agree with" Jones, or even really "like him" I have simply found him to be more philosophically rigorous on average than le Starcraft man who dabbles in basic ethics discussions "with phDs" (something he does not have) and comes to the awe-inspiring conclusion that "democracy gud" and "materialism gud"
(2) I have never watched the video I am linking to you, nor do I intend to because, again, I don't care for Jones. Based on the title alone though, this should satisfy your criteria.
(3) I am not Catholic, nor Christian

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1 is Eric Striker, cohost of podcast with mike enoch, probably the only genuine national socialist on the entire alt right
2 is Destiny, unironic neoliberal twitch streamer who debates a lot
3 is Ask Yourself, vegan "philosopher"
4 is Vincent James, owner of Red Elephants similar content to Allsup (RIP)

>Desteeny
>is fine with only the most ethical of CP
You know this day is coming, right, kike?

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thanks lads

My argument wasn't that E. Michael Jones is philosophically illiterate, it was that Destiny has a greater focus on philosophy. I didn't say Hegel randomly, I've actually listened to that before (I have Classical Theist on the chart, you know), which is part of why I put E. Michael Jones beyond most other people on the chart, including an actual philosophy professor. He wouldn't, however, jump straight into first-order philosophy as a pillar of his argumentation.

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Jim should really be a few notches higher in rigor, and Styx a few notches down in rhetoric. Jim isn't exactly an initiated brownshirt, but he's not a coward or a hypocrite and he's certainly no slouch when you frame an issue around how it is taught to children in public school. Inversely, Styx can be a huge faggot on moral questions, refusing to even seriously consider them and just making weak sarcastic quips instead.

The more serious an issue becomes, Jim can get much more rigorous and Styx often becomes extremely belligerent and unable to make a point. I'm sure everything else on this chart must be wrong too, but I've only watched these two enough to notice.

Destiny is too high on this list. The guy is fucking retarded.

Nice try faggot. Jared Taylor should be off the charts to the right. Taylor is ignored because he is so far to the right on your gay as fuck chart. Jared Taylor HAS to get ignored because is pathologically honest and pathologically right you god damn sissy cuck jew faggot.

accurate

Doesn't make Destiny a leftist.

Sam Seder, Hasan, Vaush and maybe Ben Burger are the only leftists on the chart. Petter Coffin and Contrapoints are social imperialists like Warren.

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Jared Taylor may or may not have the ability to discuss the nature of reality, but all of his debates consist of him repeating the same basic talking points. He's great at logic, but I'm not sure he could argue why liberty is good or why good and bad are valid concepts.

He has autism

Seriously though no one on this chart is philosophically rigorous in any way.

Stop getting political theories from illiterate youtubers and pick up a book.

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He's not a philosopher. He doesn't care about that shit. He cares about his people, the only people who have walked on the fucken moon, cured nigger AIDS, ended war on their continent, invented literally EVERYTHING, enabled you to live, enabled you to shitpost your life away, enabled this retarded conversation we are having. DO YOU UNDERSTAND NOW?

I like Jared Taylor too, user.

No Sam Harris? FUCCCKKKK you and your kike rejecting fascist dome

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>accurate
no, you're just delusional

>doesn't make Destiny a leftist
he is left of the center, calling him "left" is therefore not wrong. Only commie retards disagree.

>that fucking graph
Ah yes, Pence is literally as far economically right as possible! Definitely, he's got the same economic viewpoints as Milton Friedman. Also Trump and Kasich are literally Pinochet! You are so smart. I'd love to see you plot them (and Hitler) on that graph, I've gone ahead and done a rough draft for you.

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post part 2? I'm wondering what could possibly be deeper then Hegel's notoriously difficult ramblings.
Hope it's not some /x/tier grimoire shit.

NO JOKE NUMBER 2 IS SUCH A MORON WTF IS HE DOING OVER HERE ?!

filzesize limited

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>midget with stripper name above Tucker
kek

Why the fuck is chink anywhere near spoon clank and Tucker

Who's that faggot with the headphones, and you're forgetting Rendon Gallant.

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>Typical leftist bullshit chart
fuck off you stupid fucking nigger

Circled the ones I've read

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fucking lold

Detractor, not debater. Bad faith actor. Nothing good about him.
>degenerate manchild
>not leftist

I'm not making the graph dipshit

It asks economic and social questions and moves you up or down left or right one at a time. If you answer 50 economic questions to the right you get +10 and 50 social you get +10. If you think the government should fuck around in the market IN ANY CASE you obviously deserve those leftward points on the economic scale. If you answer more than half you obviously a leftist. Its really not that fucking complicated

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Here's one that more accurately represents your fucking retarded communist outlook

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Destiny, Crowder, Spencer, Hassan Piker, Contrapoints? Why so many retards on one list?

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I apologize for the aggressivity fellow user. Clown World is literally hell on earth. It is our generation's duty to make sure civil war II & WWIII simultaneously kick off as soon as possible. Humanity is infected with existential Semitic AIDS. Only chance for survival at this point is to kill 99.99% of humanity, 100% of the sub humans and 1000% of the anti humans.
youtube.com/watch?v=aCbfMkh940Q

desu I think you’re being too kind to Destiny, I have never once seen or heard anything he’s done and thought that he was quick witted

I'm sure getting your politics from video game streamers and memes will work out great in the long run.