13 October 2019, 2 days and one month Poland will hold it's parliamentary election. So I want to ask the polish people here about your current political situation, polls, parties and more maybe.
Let's begin with, what's the current political situation?
On the news, was it 2017? It was something about courts or law, explain to me, why was it so controversial outside Europe and in Poland? And is Poland becoming authoritarian?
Is it true that the ruling party PiS(Law and Justice) has tried to reform the polish media to a pro-government bias?
I have seen the latest polls and PiS is very popular, they're almost a 45%. Why are they so popular?
What's the difference between PiS and the more right-wing Konfederacja?
Are the Konfederacja based and how is it going for them?
And maybe the most important question in Poland. Is the government trying to raise the birth rates of Poland? I hope...because when i look how it was in 1960 almost 3.0 babies born and now it is 1.3...bad stuff.
From what I've heard, PiS is going full greece with giving out money, and they're a greedy bunch. They scam you out of your money at every turn. People with businesses suffer the most. Almost everyone I know is scared and moving their money abroad. They have a policy which gives 500zl per month for every child, but you have to ask yourself who is paying for it. Only super old people vote for them, which is why they have this majority.
Adam Lewis
They have promised more money to old people, but who is paying? I need an answer. But i can guess, is it the working class? And is there a Polish oligarchy like in Hungary and Russia?
Colton Moore
I don't really know, I only know what I've heard from people still living in Poland t. pole living abroad bumping so more polacks get in here
Zachary Martin
Okay, thank you for the bump bump
Elijah Bell
Politics in Poland is a fiction. No matter who wins, they all suck american-jewish dick. It's a waste of brain resource to care about this circus.
the answer to the birthrate can be partly found here
Hunter Johnson
So there are no based guys in Poland?
Ryder Hughes
There are, but strictly on the fringe of mainstream politics. Poland is a colonial state of US, we have no independent politics.
Angel Hill
What about the Konfederacja? One of the party there, are far-right and neo-fascists. Thats what the wikipedia says...
Christopher Perez
>It was something about courts or law, explain to me, why was it so controversial outside Europe and in Poland? Because they did the same thing as the current leftist-liberal opposition. They filled the supreme court with majority PiS leaning judges; compared to how it had a PO majority before when PO ruled. >And is Poland becoming authoritarian? Under centrist-"Christian" rule of PiS? They have done not much different than what PO has done previously in terms of ceasing power when ruling, but are weak sauce in general. >Is it true that the ruling party PiS(Law and Justice) has tried to reform the polish media to a pro-government bias? Nothing different from what PO did and how Swedish SVT works in Sweden. Don't tell me SVT doesn't have a Swedish government bias. >I have seen the latest polls and PiS is very popular, they're almost a 45%. Why are they so popular? Because socialism and a dozen "gibbs" programs.
>What's the difference between PiS and the more right-wing Konfederacja? Well Konfederacja are actually right, for a start. youtube.com/watch?v=oDqSWjI1a7Q >Are the Konfederacja based You decide: youtube.com/watch?v=fFuOCADca4Q youtube.com/watch?v=b2Tifwdx1l0 Extra youtube.com/watch?v=92ZDoSW6gQ8 youtube.com/watch?v=8eUsm2X-wAM >and how is it going for them? They have a possibility to pass the electoral minimum of 5% if the younger generation and patriotic families mobilize and decide to go and vote >Is the government trying to raise the birth rates of Poland? Yes, by inviting 3 million hohols, from which a lot of the western ones have anti-Polish sentiments and praise and venerate Polish mass murderers, and some key strategists in PiS have said in their main club that Poland needs to open up and start importing migrants from Asia, Africa etc. to "boost" the low demographics so there well be people still manning jobs while ethnic Poles are retired... YES
>Are the Konfederacja based and how is it going for them? yes but not all Konfederacja Konfederacja consists of several groups most significant are right-wing Libertarian party KORWiN (or Wolność) which I support and kind of of light national-socialist party Ruch Narodowy which is, in my opinion, more free market version of PIS
Konfederacja have no fascist party. The most nationalistic party they have is Ruch Narodowy and Grzegorz Brauns Korona, but RN are nationalist democratic Christians and same for Korona except - democracy and + monarchism. Konfederacja are generally woke on the JQ to a larger or lesser degree.
William Gutierrez
>What's the difference between PiS and the more right-wing Konfederacja? PIS is only right-wing with regard to their rethorics they are not economically right-wing because because they've increased many taxes and are increasingly regulating the market moreover they accepted more non-white immigrants into Poland than the leftist party PO
Most of their platform is commie giveaways, 500pln per child, now the geniuses push 500 per senior, just throw money at people, fucking commie scums
Lucas James
I haven't heard much about your elections here in uk because obviously brexit is overshadowing it
I would imagine if PiS gets in and Imports the muds there would be riots though, didnt the poles burn the LGBTQ monument is a few months back? I think you're pretty based and can hold it back no?
Wyatt Jones
>I would imagine if PiS gets in and Imports the muds there would be riots though There is an already increase of muds in Warsaw, many pakis and indians in uber-+eats etc. >didnt the poles burn the LGBTQ monument is a few months back? In Warsaw, but the same leftist party who put it up to begin with won the latest local elections in Warsaw...
Noah Myers
>he's a joke now only for cucks and leftists people who don't vote for Korwin have a slave mentality and want the state to spend their money for them
No NATO country can have free elections because it would be a national security risk to the US forces currently occupying them. Cant have them decide to kick the US out. "Elections" only allow pre authorized peoples and policies. >but muh russian meddling far right They're pro israel so they can continue to be the boogeyman.
Austin Turner
Yeah, keep voting on that eternal 1% jew goyim, that will bring change
Hudson Collins
Jews, jews and jews. Choose. There is no democracy here.
Bentley Wood
I have no idea, user. Our far-right might get anything ranging from 5 to 10% depending on the way our youth's turnout compared to the rest of the population. PiS may change their agenda following the election for all we know, but it's somewhat unlikely. Riots is something I hope for if they begin to sell us out to the Jewry. But as I say, they may undertake this in any number of ways and it's really hard to tell. I'd rather focus on contributing to /ourguys'/ political campaign and hope for the best instead of occupying myself with hypotheticals. With that being said, there is no goddamn way I will ever vote for PiS ever again. They've shown their true face and it's a visage of a filthy, grubby, smarmy, Zionist shabbos goy.
if you want Poland to be as rich as Germany in 4 years, you should vote for Korwin too if you want Poland to be a poor shithole vote for banda czworga or don't vote
It's hard for people outside of poland to understand but both main parties are commie, what is called left is ideological commies with some right economic ideas, and the current ruling party are ideologically somewhat right wing with uber commie economic ideas of handouts which they plan to increase ahead of the election, we're fucked both ways
Henry Bell
>Jews, jews and jews. Choose. There is no democracy here. Konfederacja is the only party that refuses to pay Jewish claims
Luis Robinson
The only way is to actually start a Jow Forums party taking proper right wing stance on both ideology and economics, but it's not happening any time soon
Brayden Hill
How is Poland for moving there? I have a high STEM profile and my fiance teaches yoga. makes diets and gym stufff, he is blue eyed and Im fully med. And we 2 would learn Polish of course
Dylan Allen
4 years? More like a decade at the very least, let's be sensible, there is going to be a shitload of obstacles down the road and that's assuming Korwin ever gets elected, which is only likely to happen during times of unrest. Don't get me wrong, I believe Korwin's economics or some tweaked version of it is something that can save us from socialist and bureaucratic catastrophy, but it's not as simple as kuce would make you believe. I believe he can make it in a very unorthodox situation such as in the aftermath of Polexit for instance, but hell, we're voting for them to build a viable platform for some years to come, it's not gonna happen instantaneously.
Poland is doomed. PiS is going to win. Konfederacja won't make it. That's it. Germany please annex us.
Camden Mitchell
Compared to Spain? Well, your country is kind of communistic, so you should feel marginally better here (less leftist shit and less niggers or shitskins) providing you have credentials and can work in a high-profile position, then you should feel fairly well here. Simply live here for a couple of months and see whether that floats your boat.
Not gonna happen. CBA will prevent that thanks to their new surveillance system bought from Israel
Honestly, whatever. Poles don't deserve their own country.
Adrian Lewis
You and what army? We need something ala brexit to twist the debate from their current positions, without the referendum conservatives would never fall into exit position, same here with lefty ideology+sensible economics vs sensible ideology and prl economics
Angel Murphy
Poland has become the most popular destination for Spanish Erasmus students, they all talk wonders of your country, I finished college 2 years ago and Im currently working in IA. IT jobs there have a higher salary than IT jobs in Spain, fuck this country
Evan Myers
baguvix
Aiden Perry
>CBA will prevent that thanks to their new surveillance system bought from Israel That made me laugh so goddamn hard. For all guys unaware of this, our version of the American NSA has been using a Mossad spyware to fuck with our judges and most likely the rest of population, so we've got another Snowden event on our hands. >Poles don't deserve their own country. Maybe so, please move your ass and vote Konfederacja though, help us out if you don't want to wake up in a PRL 2.0 too soon.
PiS (Law and Justice) - ruling government, may lose majority this election, although is still going to win. Pro-USA and an absolute disaster for the country as major policies always involve giving tax money to the worst parts of society (the more you breed the more money you get)
KO - former PO (Platforma Obywatelska) that fell low after the Golden King of Europe Donald Tusk left and is no longer a real opposition to PiS, pro-germany
Wiosna - minor leftie (although far-leftie) party that's probably going to get to parliment and not much else
PSL - party whose major goal is to get 5% minimum votes and get into parliment no matter what
Konfederacja - used to be a party of Janusz Korwin-Mikke, now it's an abomination of anti-vax, pro-life, anti-LGBT madmen whose that are doing Jow Forums shitposting irl and they have absolutely no cohesive vision on how to rule a goddamn nation, also most likely just trying to get between 3 to 5% of the votes just to get party subvention without responsibilities,
Hudson Campbell
>thanks to their new surveillance system bought from Israel żydowska mafia z diabłem brata się chce podbić cały świat lecz nasza Rasa zjednoczy się obroni się na czas
He's mostly right, if you think pis or konfederacja are able to unfuck poland you're the kike
Evan Evans
wtf did i just watch?
Ryan Sanchez
I will vote for them, i've voted for Korwin since i turned 18, but I have no hope anyway.
Thomas Scott
Jill stein will fix us politics, or is it marianne nowadays
Xavier Gomez
>electing a right wing Party after almost 80 years of ww2
As if poland hasnt learned after they build polish death camps
Adam Allen
Jako działacz jednej ze składowych Konfederacji oczywiście zagłosuję na nią, razem z całą rodziną. Jednak muszę przyznać że szanse na 5% są niewielkie. Raczej dostaniemy 4% z hakiem - chyba że kogoś obietnica 4k minimalnej w 2023 obudziła. Boję się o nasz kraj szczerze mówiąc, ten cyrk na kółkach długo nie pociągnie.
AMA nt. Konfederacji, jak nie są to zbyt intymne sprawy to odpowiem.
Gavin Barnes
>as rich as Germany in 4 years, lel, now nobody would allow this, most companies are foreign and would need to be polish to make Poland richer. never gonna happen
Jonathan Diaz
>i've voted for Korwin since i turned 18 BASED >I have no hope anyway as long as Korwin lives, there is hope
>80 years of ww2 Nice, we are indeed ruled by berlin still, stalin btfo
Landon Garcia
Jaki jest sekret długowieczności Ozjasza?
Robert Gray
>Let's begin with, what's the current political situation? We now have a first government that for better or for worse realises its promises. Opposition is really mad, but all they can do is screech like autists because they have no programs and no charismatic leader. >On the news, was it 2017? It was something about courts or law, explain to me, why was it so controversial outside Europe and in Poland? And is Poland becoming authoritarian? It was some non-issue, a flagship example of autistic screeching of the opposition. They couldn't fight and win with the government on their own so they had to snitch to the EU. Judicary system needs deep reforms and many of the judges deserve the rope, but all PiS did was replace some fools with their own people. >Is it true that the ruling party PiS(Law and Justice) has tried to reform the polish media to a pro-government bias? >tried They've succeeded, it's almost like watching north korea news. >I have seen the latest polls and PiS is very popular, they're almost a 45%. Why are they so popular? 45% of 45% that go and vote. Their popularity probably stems from gibs, biased public media, gibs and realization of what they've promised.
About Konfederacja - they are a huge meme. I used to vote for Korwin when I was younger, but now he has allied himself with bydlo-nationalists, antivaxxers and all kind of retards. Thank god they probably won't get into the parliament.
>Is the government trying to raise the birth rates of Poland?
Yes, but it's impossible.
Dylan Barnes
Good. Thank you. The thing is maybe there has never been any viable political solution in any Western country and the game has been rigged from the very get-go, who knows, but if you vote for the only sensible option while being fairly pessimistic about the future, then you're okay in my book. At least we're trying. If we fail, then whatever. We tried at the very least, it's not like we have recourse to anything else.
>Is it true that the ruling party PiS(Law and Justice) has tried to reform the polish media to a pro-government bias? yes, it's literally North Korea-tier I have seen the latest polls and PiS is very popular, they're almost a 45%. Why are they so popular? dumb salv-niggers vote for them because PiS feeds them populist lies
I did my Erasmus in Poland and I loved the country. I think of returning to work for a STEM also in a not-so-far future. I know foreigners that work (high-skilled professional jobs) there and have very high salaries.
Dominic Williams
Z Ozjaszem coraz ciężej, to będą raczej ostatnie jego wybory. Chociaż ostatnio jego żona przebąkiwała o tym że może jeszcze raz pójdzie na prezydenta, ale mało osób tego chce. Jest wśród wielu osób na górze konsensus, aby wystawić jednego wspólnego kandydata. Ludzie chcą Brauna.
Daniel Ross
>Is it true that the ruling party PiS(Law and Justice) has tried to reform the polish media to a pro-government bias? They turned national media into their own propaganda, execs are all PiS politicians, they're spinning all their failures as if they were the fault of the opposition (which they call 'total opposition', kek).
>I have seen the latest polls and PiS is very popular, they're almost a 45%. Why are they so popular? Old people and gibs.
>What's the difference between PiS and the more right-wing Konfederacja? Christian Socialism vs Christian Capitalism.
>Are the Konfederacja based and how is it going for them? They aren't. They went all around flat earth crazy recently.
We're living in sad times where the lefties have actually the most sensible economic policies out of the available options for us.
>Is the government trying to raise the birth rates of Poland? No. They're giving away super costly gibs instead of tackling the real problem, which is high costs of living in comparison with salaries, which basically translates to buying votes. The birthrates are currently lower than they were before the 500+ programme was introduced.
Give niggers gibs, I welcome anyone to try to go into the next election on: we're taking your 110€ from you! PiS is the real yang gang
Caleb Green
czy Korwiniści są frakcją dominującą w Konfederacji? coś mi się obiło o uszy, że Konfa jest przejmowana przez narodowców
Eli Ward
kekekek
Jason James
Lubię Brauna i jego katolicką retorykę, jako, że sam jestem katolikiem, ale obiektywnie więcej osób odrzuci niż przyciągnie według mnie.
Alexander Wright
Yeah never head anything bad of that country, I will go with my girl 15 days of vacation to see it in our own eyes
Nolan Collins
No bo jest xD, Korwin to tylko tam jedynkę ma i służy za reklamówkę, a cała reszta z Winnickim na czele zrobili (cz. przeszły) wszystko żeby wygryźć go z subwencji
Evan Taylor
To trochę skomplikowane. Nie jest przejmowana, ale narodowcy mają w niej więcej władzy niż wnoszą wyborców. Dużo korwinistów nie chciało koalicji z RN, bo oznaczało to że niektórzy z nich musieli oddać jedynki w swoich okręgach - więc zaczęli gadać że Konfederacja została przejęta. Winnicki ogólnie jest bardzo dobrym politykiem i dużo dla swojej frakcji wytargował.
Connor Jenkins
Możliwe, wydaje mi się, że Winnicki byłby może lepszym kandydatem.
a combination of both could. Konfederacja is pretty based and PiS as a junior partner would prevent Korwin from going full open border ancap while keeping his good points. But that's never going to happen anyway
Ryan Cox
>What's the difference between PiS and the more right-wing Konfederacja? one has miniscule support, the other is a major national force?
Sure commie economics + libertarian will make the magical mix, we need a PO with anti-immigration mix, that could steal voters from both parties while they fight over which duck is the goat
Logan Barnes
>they accepted more non-white immigrants into Poland than the leftist party PO PO signed us up for Dublin and if they didn't lose election we would be full of niggers by now. Now we have Pajeets instead.
Caleb King
nothing wrong with solving the JQ
Nathaniel Nelson
inglisz, so OP can understand something too
Christian Jackson
Pis basicly buys votes. 500zl for second and next baby monthly. Till 26 yo you don't pay work taxes. It's socialist-conservative party which by the way is not ruling Poland. Elections doesn't matter. Our country is invigilated and we cent do shit
Owen Miller
Who was that cunt many years ago who ran for Pres against walensa and had some Peruvian wife. Mehta isn’t he dead yet. Can polan import more rapefugees so they fuck more white whores.
