Why can't atheists tell God exists? Theories?

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All moral standards are made up, even if there was a god objective moral standards couldn't exist. Why would we use a standard other than our own?

Pic related, OP. Take the RealGod Pill.

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>you don't really have an objective standard to determine that
How would that even be possible? No, I just see a world that suffering must outweigh joy, understanding 100 to 1. And I see no reason for it. Theists will say “ just wait till you die god’ll make it right”. what reason do I have to believe that!

Why would you believe in something if there is no evidence. And the only people who do believe claim they get their faith from some questionable book.

You did ask for this. This is the world where deception is freely practiced. If you didn't want the ability to deceive then you wouldn't be here. Earth is why you don't find liars in heaven. The misery is brought by deception.

I like how theists always come up with fantastical examples that don't even happen, but let me ask you this: how does someone rising from the dead in any way imply that there's a god?

>Why can't atheists tell God exists?
How can christcucks tell god exists?

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If there is a God, we have objective moral standards more or less written in the heavens, the entire cosmos is basically run according to these standards.

This is just a basic thing common to almost all Theistic worldviews.

God, or "God"?

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>This question is NOT for atheists. You are retarded, I don't care what you think.
pretty fucking based

Morality is not like a law of physics. To say that it was would be to say that actions that are physically possible are morally good and actions which are not physically possible are morally bad, which would render morality pointless.

>Why can't atheists tell God exists?
>This question is NOT for atheists.
Why would you ask a question, then tell the people who could answer the question to not answer? Atheists are generally smarter than theists, I'm not sure why you would say that.
indy100.com/article/scientist-looked-through-63-studies-conclude-atheists-more-intelligent-religious-people-metanalysis-7733926

Lack of faith and low IQ.

I hope your very last thought is pure terror that your bullshit is exactly that. That it gets stretched into infinity, because of some cruel twist of quantum physics after the universe suffers heat death.

Burden of proof is on those that make the claim, Christcucks

>How would that even be possible?

Objective morality is the norm in Theistic worldviews. It is possible outside of your reductionist materialist metaphysics.

>And I see no reason for it

you see no reason to it because of your aforementioned fundamental assumptions about reality.

>Theists will say “ just wait till you die god’ll make it right”. what reason do I have to believe that!

"God will make it right" is a rather lazy answer, while it's basically true, It's rather unsatisfying. I would answer the question this way: that such suffering exists in the world to punish humanity for their sins, and is an extension of the Divine justice; I would also say that such suffering is also an opportunity for redemption and sanctification, that the adversity offered by such evil is an occasion to develop virtue and to make reparation and satisfaction for our sins, all in according with God's loving mercy.

Autism cripples your ability to think in abstracts.
Concepts like God being taken out of time renders autistic atheists unable to even understand the answer to "hurr who made God??!!?!"
God itself is an abstract, that's why they can't understand him.

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>Atheists are generally smarter than theists
That's because fucking protestant white trash in America and niggers in Africa plummet those numbers.

I agree that it is not like the laws of physics. And that's not really what is is being asserted by the notion of an objective morality.

What is being asserted is a moral standard outside of our own subjective perceptions, that is intrinsic to our nature, and that we will be ultimately and inescapably be held to account for.

I think that game was the last EA game i ever bought, what a load of shit

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Do you have a source for this information?

Sure, but that moral standard is going to be subjective / arbitrary no matter what you do. It's unavoidable. That you might be helpless to resist the enforcement of that subjective morality is irrelevant.

I'm not sure on what account you would describe it as still subjective and arbitrary, if morality is from God and written into the heavens, so are the laws of physics and all other laws of nature.

Hate to disappoint you but I had an NDE - near the death experience for cretins like you- and it's exactly as the Bible described. Keep whining, keep lying, you'll learn what terror really is.

The fact I can disagree with your assumption of objective morality means it isn't and never will be objective. God is not an objective source. It is the subjective whim of God, if he is the source. It is also a presumption based upon a false premise. If everyone else who offers a morality is making it up, you also made up yours. The difference is that you appeal to the ultimate authority which is a logical fallacy, in order to back up your supposition.
>I know some people will try and disagree or argue with me so how do I avoid that? Oh I know, I'll say that the source of my information is an unprovable and unknowable supreme creator being impossibly above everything and nothing anyone argues could ever beat that so they lose lol ecksdee
You're like the kid on the playground who goes, "nuh uh I'm right times infinity plus 1, hah!" Everything you believe is based off existential dread and wishful thinking.

I honestly have no idea how you think you can "tell" that god exists.

That game was alright

These types of faggots would just respond to that with a, "Heh, exactly, kid. The fact you have no idea what it means or how to do it makes me right and proves my point, heh. You'd better get in with God, kiddo. Nothing personnell..."

The laws of physics are not subject to subjective determination. Morality is. What would be the fundamental difference between God setting up a system to enforce it's morality and a human doing the same? If I built some AI guided drone that punished everyone who kissed in public, would that be objective morality?

Yeah mate you were put in a situation where you were pressed to imagine what death was like and imagined it in the exact same why you had drilled into you for decades, 10/10 really made me think

>imagine living your whole life afraid of a kike children fairy tale
>and feeling superior to those that arent
atheism is the true redpill

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>Why can't atheists tell God exists?

Which one?

I'm going to find you after we are both dead and I am going to spend a few thousand years torturing you. It will be fun.

No, actually I hated most versions of Christianity before it happened and the experience made me hate them even more.

>Why can't atheists tell God exists?

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You can try, but no weapon used against me has ever prospered.

Supposed intelligence doesn't effect the truth value of the conclusion in any way. The reason this thread is not for atheists is that atheists by definition don't have the construct, whether it be cognitive or otherwise, to understand the question. So there was no reason to include them in the discussion.

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God doesn't exist and everyone knows it at heart. It's all pretend bullshit.

We don't really live in a society where people act like they believe in the Holy Babble. It would be scary if we did.

If people honestly, 100% believed in the Bible then society would be completely different. For example: if a person suffered a medical emergency and collapsed on the ground, everyone nearby would go, "Yayyyyyy. This person went to Heaven to be with God for eternity. Let's go to church and sing hymns in honor of this wondrous event."

We don't do that. We call the paramedics and they try to revive the person..... because Heaven and God and all that shit is pretend and we all know it.

>get drilled with kikestianity your whole life to the point you hate it
>near death experience you experience the object of your existential hate
>this is somehow proof
I've also had a near death experience and it wasn't anything like heaven or hell or God or Satan and I grew up a Christcuck. One tip I can give everyone is don't go into any lights, they're traps.

>it's an abstract
we all know that god is an idea, admitting he is no more than an idea is admitting he doesn't really exist

based and God pilled

>God is abstract
>But I can understand what being outside of time means
No, you cannot faggot. By your own logic, the creator being is so far beyond Human comprehension that no one can understand it, therefore, ipso facto, all claims of understanding are obviously falsity.

I mean that the laws of physics are, according to Theistic framework, also something enforced and set up by God.

>If I built some AI guided drone that punished everyone who kissed in public, would that be objective morality?

I think that objective morality is something that would exist on a more fundamental reality, akin to laws of nature, like the laws of physics, a fundamental principle that governs the world. Rather than just being an arbitrary human will and power.

Who said anything about weapons?

Exactly what this guy said
Plus i have no reason to believe you in the first place, you're on a board famously filled with fraudsters and are calling bullshit on the personal experiences of atheists so i don't have to accept everything you're saying at face value

You would need an army that you'll never have to beat me.

If that were true, objective morality would be about accepting the fact that entropy and chaos and evil will inevitably consume everything, and what actions in opposition to this of what amount is desired before the end.

Then we are back to what I said earlier. If morality were a fundamental principle, then possible actions are moral and impossible actions are immoral. That is what it would mean for morality to be fundamental. Anything else is just arbitrarily will and power, whether it be from a human or a god.

I don't understand what Dragon Age has to do with this.

>Supposed intelligence doesn't effect the truth value of the conclusion in any way
I didnt say it did.
>The reason this thread is not for atheists is that atheists by definition don't have the construct, whether it be cognitive or otherwise, to understand the question.
According to what?

You were raised in a typical American heretical church that destroys people's souls. Your soul is nearly dead which is why you had a shitty NDE.

Narcissistic personality disorder
They simply can't accept an entity greater than themselves.

That's also why you don't find them here much as their ego can't stand anonimity.

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There's no need for armies in the next sphere. I will find and torture your eternal being until you are made to understand.

>this post is the perfect example of the mental capacity of atheists

Pseduo intellectualism

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I didn't even go to Church until I was already a teenager and I had my nde before that. It wasn't shitty, it was very enlightening. You're gonna be trapped and fed off of by anklebiter finite cucks. I wonder how long until you can free yourself.

>why can't athiests tell that the canaanite mountain god exists?
Jokes on you, I worship yahweh's father El, the original pagan god not his son.

>They simply can't accept an entity greater than themselves.
What if it's just due to lack of evidence to suggest a God exists?

>hates christianity
>has NDE
>scared of the light

did it hurt demon ?

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God is self evident through observing creation, and just like the bible says we have been given dominion over his creation. This is also self evident.

Nope.

Even if such an entity existed, it isn't greater just because it has power. It is the same if it adheres to the same sick morality and mentality of Humans, which it seems to do if you read any holy book of any religion. Humans love to personify and anthropomorphize everything. We did it with our ancient gods, transforming and personifying nature, the winds, wind God, the lightning, thunder God, the seas, ocean God, etc etc etc. We love pretending mundane things are actually amazing and conscious like ourselves.

>Then we are back to what I said earlier. If morality were a fundamental principle, then possible actions are moral and impossible actions are immoral.

I don't think that's implied, just because say the laws of physics govern the natural world in that way, doesn't mean that morality must, for example the laws of mathematics do not relate to the natural world in the same way the laws of physics do, but nonetheless there is something fundamental about mathematics.

I don't think that's a terrible way of trying to conceptualize morality, but it's far to vague. I believe in natural law and Christian revelation.

They have Gods they are just of this World.

What atheists worship a god?

>how do supernatural occurrences point to supernatural beings?

How did you arrive at the conclusion God had anything to do with that action?

>the laws of mathematics do not relate to the natural world in the same way the laws of physics do
They do though. You have a thing in the natural world. You add another thing in the natural world. Now you have two things in the natural world. Mathematics is a language we use to describe things in nature. Morality is not like this, instead being inherently based on some preference or determination. Even if it is as simple as "God is good", it is there, and that's before you even get into how God is determining morality.

>Coming back from the dead is necessarily supernatural
>God is the only conceivable supernatural entity
Hmmmm

> lookame useless pile of atoms shitposting for no reason whatsoever in order to convince other piles of atoms on the internet that my noises makes mores sense than the noises from the pile of atoms we call a chair.

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>doesnt respond to post
>goes on rant instead
Ok.

based

Learn the life and words of Jesus and the conclusion is logical

>Man who died being crucified coming back from the dead isn't supernatural

>Mathematics is a language we use to describe things in nature.

I mean by your own admission Mathematics is different from the laws of physics, they both relate to the natural world in different ways, and govern different things.

But your materialist and nominalist assumptions are creeping in. Where mathematics and scientific laws are merely useful fictions that describe things in nature, rather than being immaterial principles that govern nature, which is how a Theistic framework views these things.

>Learn the life and words of Jesus
Telling me to go learn a thing isnt telling me why you think God had anything to do with that action. If a supernatural thing occurs, how did you arrive at the conclusion that god did it?

>I mean by your own admission Mathematics is different from the laws of physics
Correct, otherwise we would simply say mathematics are laws of physics. They are not equivalent.
>immaterial principles that govern nature, which is how a Theistic framework views these things.
Rather than making a case for morality being objective, you are heading down the road to the laws of physics being subjective. How are these immaterial principles determined?

But you do agree that there does exist a Law of Nature, of morality, that you are supposed to follow (yet interestingly can choose to break)?

>he doesn't answer

Explain why your noise is more important than the squeaking of a chair ? And should i have a debate with a chair ?

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What didnt I answer?
>Explain why your noise is more important than the squeaking of a chair
I'm an intelligent being. A chair is an inanimate object. Do you really not know the difference?

Autism spectrum disorder makes it very hard to experience religion in the way most people do. The 'reward' present for most people is often times (not always of course) lacking for us. To make matters worse, it's hard for us to not operate based on strictly literal thinking, and also we have a harder time suspending disbelief. I'm jealous of people who can find comfort in religion. It seems like a wonderful way to live. Community, safety, certainty. I just can't. Because none of it makes sense to me. I know you demanded atheists not answer this, but lets be fair. You deserve an honest, not fedora tipping answer. So horse's mouth.

If I said "God will turn me into a 300 foot tall human", and then I became a 300 foot tall human, would you believe that God did that?

I used to love getting hammered and playing through that game. Very underrated.

No, I learned what freedom through Christ means. I use it daily. You, on the other hand......

Can't wait to genocide those elves.

um yes?

These immaterial principles are created by God.

Depends, how did you arrive at the information that god would turn you into a 300 foot human? In this hypothetical, do we know a God exists?

No? Why would I believe that? You understand that the only person who knows for sure what a being will do is what he himself will do, right? There's more reason to believe that the man is lying to you than that he keeps God on a little leash to do tricks for him.