>Sociology is applied psychology
>Psychology is applied biology
>Biology is applied chemistry
>Chemistry is applied physics
>Physics is applied mathematics
>Mathematics is applied philosophy
>Philosophy is applied religion
Religion is the root of everything.
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Shut up, Kike.
>Philosophy is applied religion
explain
The fact you can't comprehend that is reason enough for me to ignore you.
OP is applied faggotry
more like religion is applied philosophy
I can see through your tricks user. The devil has a plan for people like you. It is one of illness and suffering. Repent now.
tfw take all my beliefs, and morals from religion but aren't religious.
Checkmate.
I have nothing to repent for, you stupid christpilled cuck.
Philosophy is predated by religion. Religion is the framework for our way of thought. Philosophy itself is a western form of thought birthed from Judeo-Christian values
why is that?
because they're a bigot
>please explain this position that seemingly makes no sense, perhaps you can change my mind
>OP:you can't comprehend my big brain
>?
If only you had studied the original bible instead of being a sheep.
>I have nothing to repent for
You are mistaken user. Your loss in faith is reason enough. It is a shame that you willingly choose to participate in the degradation of western civilization in exchange for anime and other degenerate amenities
>Philosophy itself is a western form of thought birthed from Judeo-Christian values
ever heard of the GREEKS?
The Greek form of thought (most will use the term philosophy today colloquially to refer to all forms of thought) emerged from Greek mysticism. Read up on The life of Parshvanatha, 23rd Tirthankara of Jainism
>Greek mysticism
>Jainism
you wot m8?
That is a separate piece. Jainism shows that religion predates advanced thought.
explain why catholic thought is deeply rooted in platonism faggot
>philosophy is predated by religion
yes but not by christianity
>Religion is the framework for our way of thought.
how?
>Philosophy itself is a western form of thought birthed from Judeo-Christian values
historically false, christianity would not exist for another 620 years from the birth of Thales of Miletus, the maker of philosophy
>religion predates advanced thought
how would we think about religion if we didn't have the capability of advanced thought in the first place?
Plato was building upon the same framework that is Christianity. The form of the good was a reference to God or Jesus. You can call yourself a platonist and follow the thoughts of Plato but you are in essence a Christian since at the root you are following God and Jesus. Do as Jesus does.
The moment we came to realize religion is when God came into our lives and planted the seed to be able to think on a more critical level. This granted capability is also why we are to be judged by God for now we have freedom of choice.
exactly, religion is an extension of philosophical thought, and as our capacity for philosophy has evolved, so has our conception of religion
>Plato (428/427 or 424/423 – 348/347 BC) was building upon the same framework that is Christianity.
christcucks everyone
Don't you feel that yearning inside of you? The yearning to be set free from the yoke of your original sin and guilt? Jesus Christ of Nazareth made the ultimate human sacrifice to save your eternal soul from the sin that you were born into. Will you join Jesus today and accept his offering of forgiveness to end your shame?
It’s funny how many blatantly false statements one can make in a single post. t. Philosopher
Jesus can suck my shit, as can you.
No counters I see? The decision is now yours. Do what you will with your future but when you inevitably find God I hope you will be forgiven.
OP is right, but is arguing for it terribly. Philosophy is derivative of religion because religion gives you your morals, ethics, anthropology, etc. if you don't have any religion, you have no basis for philosophy.
mostly because catholics tried to appeal to renaissance logic and thought, which was deeply rooted in the classics. wasn't always that way.
We will all stand before our Lord and Rabbi Jesus Christ on judgement day. Let Rabbi Jesus in your heart while you still can.
>He thinks philosophy is ethics
Lmao read more kid. Epistemology is all the rage. And logic puzzles. Not like anyone on Jow Forums has ever taken a logic class besides me.
*Christian values. Kikes only value money and destruction.
that was included in "etc." Epistemology requires absolute truth which requires religion.
>mathematics is applied philosophy
now there's a leap only a pseudointellectual would make
gayyyyy
oh I feel a yearning alright
You are an intellectual hermaphrodite. You understand that religion is necessary for epistemology which works in harmony with logic to produce civilization yet you ignore this duality in favor of a more simplified view on life.
>christianity is NOT judeo- anything!
>except the OT, the NT, its savior, and its definition of what God is
revoke the demiurge's tricks and embrace the path of the Aeons
You should read the "Philosophy of Mathematics" and the "Logic of Thought"
>You understand that religion is necessary for epistemology
Why?
Because it is the foundation for all ethical forms of thought. Give me examples of successful civilizations that tried to ignore religion when constructing an ethical framework.
>Philosophy emerged from Christianity
>Wait, no, uh, it actually emerged from Jainism
Christcucks everyone
>he doesn't understand the difference between ethics and epistemology
how is there epistemology without absolute truth? how is there absolute truth without God?
Modern, western philosophy is not the same as Greek philosophy. You can't point to a word used in one point in time and expect it to mean the same thing in another point in time. Especially since we are talking about centuries here...
no answer me, don't listen to this retard
You should read a math textbook and the bible, and ask yourself how you even got to this point in your life that you confused the two.
Christ is the living word.
How does god negate or necessitate absolute truth? Supposing there is a god, it is absolutely true there is a god. Supposing there isn’t, it is absolutely true that there isn’t. The presence or absence of a god does not change that.
>christ
a 2000 year dead jewish man (we have little if any proof of his existence)
>is the
the? there is only one?
>living word
??? he's dead, and what word?
Although at the heart of a scientific breakthrough/sparks of new thought an act of faith. This does not mean that you need to be a retard going to swindlers in a modern churches. God and morality are in you, not in Jewish tales.
I did not confuse the two. Mathematics is the projection of religion. Religion is representative of the absolute Truth or God. Without religions there would be no mathematics.
>Modern, western philosophy is not the same as Greek philosophy.
That doesn't mean that it isn't influenced to some extent by Greek philosophy.
>Give me examples of successful civilizations that tried to ignore religion when constructing an ethical framework.
Czechia
>Without religions there would be no mathematics.
No, but it doesn't mean that is IS either.
double digits IQ post
Cringe.
Or Indian or Tibetan or Chinese or Japanese or French or Indigenous American or Russian or Egyptian or...
You are implying that you could have mathematics without absolute truth and well... the fundamental framework that facilitates its existence?
okay dummy, let me explain this to you real slow. mathematics is the laws of numbers, of relations, the language of the physical laws of our universe.
but who gives you the physical laws of the universe? why do we exist in a three dimensional world where all our geometry is as it is? why are causality, conservation laws, etc. the way they are? mathematics is the set of rules and logic which the world God has given us follows.
Oh honey, don't you have homework you should be finishing up?
dumb nigger poster
God determines ethics and human nature, which lays the groundwork for all social systems under the label of "philosophy".
>I need to know how many square feet of carpet I need for my room
>let me check Galatians 3:28
I already finished my homework, I just wrote "Jesus" as the answer to every question.
if you suppose there isn't a God, how do you suppose an absolute truth? in what way is this truth absolute? is it derived from your reason? what is the ultimate validating principle that defines "truth" from "falsehood"?
high brow atheist apologetics as always
You don’t seem to understand what absolute truth is. You seem to think it is just a magic thing god poofed into existence.
Your argument:
>Without god there is no absolute truth.
>God is necessary for absolute truth.
That’s not an argument. It’s a baseless opinion. At least the atheists aren’t claiming anything exists, you’re making the claim that such a thing is necessary because of how you’ve defined the truth. Ridiculous. You wouldn’t pass a logic course.
Why wouldn’t you pass a logic course? Because you assume your conclusion as a premise. It’s not valid.
>Because you assume your conclusion as a premise
You are doing the EXACT same thing. The assumption that God is unnecessary for truth to exist is just as if not MORE fallacious than to assume God is necessary for truth.
How do I know that I am absolutely truly replying to post 226617160? Please Yahweh give me a sign! If only I had eyes that I could trust!
That's not really what I said, but whatever. You didn't answer my question. What is your validating principle which defines "truth" from "falsehood"? How do you establish something as absolute truth?
What are you on?
>The assumption that leprechauns are unnecessary for truth is just as fallacious.
so that which you observe is absolutely true?
Yes
Religion is the matrix. This world is 1 massive cult.
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You forgot one more.
Religion is our minds trying to make sense of our consciousness, holy spirit, free will, or whatever you want to call it.
And that is the will of the ALL flowing through you allowing you to know right from wrong.
So THE ALL is the root of everything because only through the all is everything manifest.
this is obviously not true.
and what if I observe something different and contradictory to you? what if your senses deceive you? are hallucinations absolutely true because you observe them?
clearly observation can REVEAL absolute truth, but it cannot be in itself the validation of absolute truth
We don’t, because humans can’t access unbiased information. No conscious being can. That doesn’t mean it’s not out there.
Suppose you have only seen trick mirrors in your life, and none of them have shown you what a normal mirror would show you. Do you look like the image in the trick mirror? No. Does it follow that a mirror image of you is impossible to create? No. All you have to do is look at a normal mirror.
Problem is that our sensory organs are much like trick mirrors. None of this requires any supernatural claims. We already know that humans perceive inaccurately and incompletely. Just compare the light spectrum in its entirety to the spectrum visible by human eyes.
I am simply not assuming that there is a being that perceives accurately. Absolute truth does not require an observer to be true.
You cannot know absolutely true information. That doesn’t mean the information you know is absolutely false, just biased and incomplete. Like a written account of history, information is lost — literally, in the action potentials of your neurons.
>and what if I observe something different and contradictory to you? what if your senses deceive you? are hallucinations absolutely true because you observe them?
How do you know that those things are "untrue"?
THE ALL being God?
This could relate to the origins of ALLAH being ALL
>that doesn't mean it's not out there
then what supports that it IS out there? Why IS there absolute truth? If we cannot observe it, how do you know it exists?
well, if they contradict each other, ex: I see a monster crawling up the walls, and you don't, one of them has to be false. So we don't know which are untrue, but since our observation is relative, it cannot be validation of an absolute truth
Hatred of god is the highest good.
>and what if I observe something different and contradictory to you?
Then you're either a schizo or on mushrooms.
They could be both true, it's just that they are being looked at from different perspectives.
Now the question becomes, do we need "absolute truths" if we can just agree upon which perspectives we use?
Can/do absolute truths even exist?
Underrated post.
The ALL is "God" collectively. God is not some old man with a beard. So in other words there is no God, and we are all God. Yet there is God and everything in existence is manifest via the will of the ALL. The ALL being our collective will and light force that gives us consciousness. Yet the all as a collective is "God."
You must free your mind from using parameters made by religious folk to enslave your mind. Forget everything you think you know and read The Emerald Tablets of Thoth, you're smart enough to get it. Though one piece of advice, there are lies there too. And the whole picture is not displayed there.
Wrong
yes. and what defines what the schizo sees as "untrue" and what the normal person sees as "true"?
Sorry, read here.
>philosophy is applied religion
good one
A functioning, sober brain.
>fart huffing is an argument
Ever heard of dunning kruger, kike worshipper?
>can/do absolute truths even exist?
the alternative is that truth is relative, but even "truth is relative" is an absolute statement. so is "the nature of truth is unknowable/vague/etc". we must have absolute truth to make any statements about truth at all (and therefore if we wish epistemology to mean anything)
Because if there were no absolute truth, there would need to be an alternative explanation for how we come to form the half-truths we come to understand. If it were not true that neurons engage in an exchange of potassium and sodium ions, how would we come to observe it? Even if everything we observe is illusion or hallucination, it means that the information is not real or absolutely true. For its falsity to have any meaning, there must be some standard of truth.
What is that standard? Truth corresponds with reality. Observation doesn’t necessarily correspond with reality. But in order for it to correspond or not correspond, there must be reality. That is, there must be absolute truth.
This doesn’t require god. Indeed, supposing there is a god and there was a point where there only was god and nothing else, absolute truth would still have to be independent of god. Otherwise there would be no standard at that point for god to know that god exists. Absolute truth does not require god; it is quite the other way around. Without absolute truth, there is no possibility of a god. With absolute truth there is possibility, but no more than for extradimensional space pirates.
what defines a brain as "functioning" properly?
Or the alternative is that "truth" doesn't *really* exist since it's a human idea that can't even be observed.
There's also a possibility that absolute truth is just something that humans can't know. Gödel kinda talked about this thing.